The kick balls thread s getting too long and hard to figure out who is answering what - so I locked it and people can continue the conversation here.

Susan

Maby u should do that for the kick vulva's thread as well.

"How they ejaculate all over their submissive faces....or hold their hands above their heads..or shove their penises into their mouths"

Oooh it makes me all warm and fuzzy when u talk about this stuff Susan, but seriously how can u compare porn and male abuse.
First of all we were talking about hitting men in the groin area.
Porn is overwelmingly, overwhelmingly created for erotic fantasies!
U talk about how men dominate women, but if a women gives a guy head, then she >>has<< to be on her knees and the sperm >>has<< to go somewere! Then ofcourse it looks like the famale is getting humiliated, but thats just the way a bj looks like. Also the girls can enjoy it as much as the men can. The girls and men are talking about eachother as (sexual) partners, not as pieces of meat. The girls are often paid more then there male partners.
So as i mentiond before, porn is in general considered as fantasies for the people who watch it, i mean i dont think that i will ever fist a women, anal as well as vaginal. And i dont think that many men will believe that many women are willing to do all the things that are done in the bizz.
What is shown on tv about groin attack is different. U see it all the time and is almost always considered funny and a major issue is that groin attacks (and male abuse in general) is shown to all ages. It is so that u can teach a kid anything at an early age and they will think it is normal. Like war children getting the idea that fighting with guns and killing people normal is. U cant teach a sane grownup that same thing. Thats why kids (girls) will think that it is in deed funny to hit men.On porn there is an age restriction of 18 (in some regions or countries it is even 21). On that age u wont be fooled that it is normal that girls are getting creamed all the time and are called sluts and that they will do anything. No, they know it isn't based on the reality and and no they wouldnt (99.9% of them) calling girls sluts because thats what they are usaully called on porn nets. Thats because they know it is just fantasy and is in general leaved with that. On the other hand many young girls who have never hit a boy in the groin will make a fantasy about it, a fantasy what thay just have to do at least once in there lifes and then they make a reality of it, because its just "so funny" and thats just sick!

Bjorn,

You are contradicting yourself. First you say that porn is created for erotic amusement (and porn includes rape scenes) and yet people don't really think they will do the things they see in porn. TV is different? People watch TV and think they can do it all? I don't think so. I think both TV and porn influences behavior.

If you read through these posts you will see that people as young as 11 have posted here and watch porn. And they ask questions that indicate to me that watching porn is influencing what they believe to be true about sex and what is expected of them as sexual beings. (It doesn't matter what is legal - Kids watch TV that is not supposed to be watched by kids too.)

You don't know much about "giving head" if you think a woman has to be on her knees. Lots of other possiblities - all better IMO.

Also I have had plenty of adult men report they want to try fisting because they have seen it in porn. I have had a least one former lover insist he could fist me and I would love it because he had seen it in porn.

I actually can't recall seeing a "groin attack" on tv ever. I'm not saying they don't happen, I assume we must watch very different television programs.

I also have not encountered a girl who has a fantasy about kicking a guy in the groin. Again I am not saying it doesn't happen- just that this must be a very new sexual kink for me to never have known anyone with it.

Women I know use a swift kick to the groin only when they feel threatened - and only when they have first tried to reason with a guy. And it is not anything women brag about having done.

Susan

"On the other hand many young girls who have never hit a boy in the groin will make a fantasy about it, a fantasy what thay just have to do at least once in there lifes and then they make a reality of it, because its just "so funny" and thats just sick!"

I have also thought girls are curious about it and it could make them do that when theey are threatened but I don't believe it would lead to a kick without any reason.

Its true we do watch different tv programs and movies and do u know what else is different. our worlds. We live in different worlds, i live in a world that u do not recognize and i think theres just no point in discussing with u any further.

By the way when i was talking about giving head and being on ur knees. it was just an example ok-----also u mentiond guys who wanted to fist u, well maby u might be interested, being all experienced and 'trying new stuff' or something , i absoluteley doubt it that a teenage girl will find it good sex - having a hand in there pussys- or even find it normal.

Bjorn,

You didn't say on your knees was an example - you said it was the only way.

Yes, we obviously do live in different worlds. That might be choice or it might be what happens to be availabel to you and to me.

I actually did let a guy make an attempt at fisting me once - and he gave up pretty quickly. But that was when I was younger and more adventurous than I am now. Now I know what works and I pretty much stick to it.

Susan

Well ofcourse not for just nothing (allthough raraly yes, but u missed out on the first part of the debate what was about suxual assault on men and how that is funny and it kinda got carried away

Susan, perhaps there's a generation gap? It's possible the girls in your day didn't grow up watching it portrayed as funny on tv or movies?

Jim,
That is definitely possible, but it is not like I live in a closet. I watch TV - I have a 21 year old son - I talk to teenagers all the time - this is just not something I have heard anybody talk about until now.
Susan

If you could find an answer to this related loosely to the topic.
One thing bothered me one time a lot, although it's no more so current.
Here it is: How possible it is that that balls break or pop from a kick and how can you know that you really MUST go to medical care?
Question may sound weird, but I can tell that a man is really reluctant to go to medical care for this because they ask everything.

Actually that is a pretty simple question. If any of the following last longer than four hours after a kick - go to an emergency room or see a doctor immediately -

back ache
vomiting
rectal bleeding
light headedness
pain
inability to urinate/pee
bleeding from penis

Actually if any of this is severe - go to the doctor imediately.

Susan

given an option would you make groinkicking on males painless, in other words they dont get hurt b ballbusting.
how does the word groinkicking or ballbusting click to you moment you read it or listen it. funny, proud, anger or some other thing

It isn't an option to make it painless - so I'm not sure what the point of wondering is.

On the occassions I have heard of someone being hurt in the testicles - falling onto a bike, a ball kicked, fallling in gymnastics ----I have felt sympathy pain.

Susan

OOOOOCCCCH! This is a painful subject.

I think I'll just sit here with my legs crossed.

Thanks Suz.

Susan,
I agree with Jim that male groin pain is used in many films for laughs and that in cinema mostly (but not exclusively) girls/women are laughing, which I experience as offensive. I don't think that hitting a man in the groin is a kind of sexual fantasy/sexual kink women/girls have. However, according to my memory, a significant minority of girls aged around 11 to 15 found it funny to kick, knee or hit boys in the groin. Not only boys who are threatening them, but also boys who are seen as annoying. Often they did it just for the fun of it, sometimes giggling about it with friens on the bus ride home from school. I don't think films and TV had been important influence on it. Boys do it to boys too and girls may copy it. Peer group influence and attitudes by adults like teachers (e.g. beeing indifferent regarding violence by girls) are most important from my point of view. In contrast to your view, from my experience (luckily it was mainly observation) during my teenage years (not as an adult, this may explain why your experience is different), indecent behaviour by boys had not been the reason for any groin attack by girls. Moreover, the "ball-kicking-girls" had been the ones boys most "messed around" with (like "if she kicked my balls, I can grab her ass").

All this things about porn and is interesting. Awhile back i was talking to a friend saying that perhaps we shouldn't highlight all this paedophile cases and rape cases in the newspaper. The more we read about it, the more in might encourage someone to do it. I believe that people with certain tendencies will seek out materials that will fuel their tendencies. People who have shoe fetish will seek videos, porn magazines or buy shoes themselves. If u were to show that shoe fetish to me then i would just find it weird. If you were to show me anal sex then i will be excited by it, if you were to show me bondage then i would find that perverse but that doesnt mean at least a million other guys would agree with me.
People who like to dominate women would look upon any situation and try to make it seem like a domination issue. A husband asking his wife to clean his car as he is tired can be looked upon as a domination factor by those who are excited by it.
A blow job is just a blow job and to some or most people they maybe excited by the act and not by the domination factor. The again i maybe wrong and it's the submissive factor that is a turn on. But men do go down on women.
I can't accept that porn teaches all bad things, then it is to say sex education is teaching kids to have sex and condom usage is only proliferating illicit sex. CHildren watching porn maybe too much but it is okay for well balanced adults to do so as they would seek genre that are part of their psyche. Why inhibit oneselve, right?

I agree with your standpoint anonymous. The media shouldn't go all out when they cover pedofile or child-pornography cases. This probably encourages/excites other would be pedofiles to go and download some child-porn or even worse, commit the acts themselves on innocent children. I also think S & M porn is nonesense, but there are some odd people who find this sexy. When it comes to blow-jobs, the female may be put in a submissive position like on her knees as shown in most hard-core porn, but she can also be in a more controlling position like the 69, which I like. I think porn is neither a bad thing nor a good thing, its just there for adults who wish to view it. It wasn't made for children to watch, but sadly, many still do.

One last point, my friend and I went to a strip-club a couple of nights ago. It was alright now that they have banned smoking. I didn't like it when the strippers came up to me and asked to give me a private (back room) dance, since they looked kind of dirty. While I was there, I was more focussed on the free porn they were showing than the strippers themselves.

If it hurts to kick balls, the girl is doing it wrong!! Her foot shouldn't feel any pain.

What was the original question?

sheesh rarely it is just for fun? you havent been to the school i used to go to. there girls would kick guys so they would go out with them or often for no reason at all but to see the reaction i rarely went a day without being hit in the nuts and three times a week i was usually hit by the same girl it was horrible once a girl asked me if i liked her and i was 10 at the time and actually my love for her burned with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns but i couldnt let her know that but then she kneed my balls hard and after about 15 minutes i said those exact words even though they no longer true then she asked me out and i agreed mostly out of fear and actually she wasnt that bad she even paid for our date as an apology for kneeing me heh free date this girl isnt as expensive as most chicks but i was still mad at her but i got to know her a bit better and found out she thought guys were just acting when they reacted to a groinkick sheesh what a blonde moment oh well she stopped when she found out it wasnt a fake reaction

When i was 10 girls were not asking guys out - guys were not asking girls out - we were still acting like children. Maybe that is what the problem about this kicking business- kids being expected to act older than they are. But they are just kids. So they act like kids and do stuff that only a stupid adult would do.

I sure would not want to be a kid today. The pressure to act like an adult in every way is just too much too soon. Instead of grow up- we should be telling our children to stay young and enjoy it as long as you can. Once your childhood is gone you cannot get it back.

Susan

I think watching porn is okay and some may feel that it teaches the wrong things. They are right, how many of us can claim we are in 100% control of ourselves? We are human are made to err and i would never put 100% faith in humanity. Look at religion, out of 1 million people you would find at least 10% who are devout in their religion and out of this 10%, perhaps 1% who are fanatical and would do anything to preserve their understanding of the religion. So out of 1 million people who watch porn, 1% of them would be unhealithily influenced which is about 10000 people and i for one wouldnt want to have my wife or my friends or myself to ever meet one of those 10000 sex crazed people. Where do we draw the line?
To educate the public about paedophiles and inbreeding is important and if we do not highlight what is going on then, it is to sweep the problem under the carpet. But if we do nothing then we risk having inbreeding among families and small children growing in an environment worse than hell where every waking moment there are treated lower than an animal. That is a scary thought.
There doesn't seem to be any right or wrong answers here except at the end of the day, pray that steady minds prevail.
I have come to believe that sexuality is a curse upon humanity, it's a burden that has caused more pain than any plague or war. It brings us so much pleasure that we seek more and more of it and sometimes some of us stumble in our search for pleasure and is overcome by the darkness within us.
But i believe SUsan did start this post about Porn by saying that she doesn't mind porn as long as her partner isnt getting attention from her. It would indeed be weird if i kept having sex with my wife but everytime i come home i find her infront of the telly masturbating away, fantasising about some other guy. That would be a terrible blow to our relationship.

You raise some very insteresting, possibly even mind stimulating aruments anonymous. The public should be educated about pedofiles, especially when they accidentally release them in communities where small children may be playing. I think the sex offender registry is a good thing to alert the public. I have viewed child pornography before, out of curiousity and I must say that it is very saddening seeing those poor children being molested by the pedofiles.

In regards to inbreeding, I thought that only happend in small communities in the "dirty south" where it is common to marry your cousin. Other than that, I'm not sure if inbreeding is still common. It lead to the demise of one of the royal families if I remember correctly.

Finally, you mentioned that you believe that sexuality is a curse on humanity. I doubt that Susan will agree with you on that point, since she enjoys having sex with her partner. Yes, there will always be sexual relationships full of pain and suffering, but there are other healthy ones full of joy and happiness.

Can you imagine a world in which we were forbidden from having sex or if we were just unable to except during mating season for reproduction. I doubt that that would solve much of our problems if any, but it would probably make existence simpler but more mundane.

I've been trying to figure out ow to respond to you -especially your comment about sex beinng a curse on humanity. Personally sex has gotten me through every bad time I have had in my life. Sex has given me comfort. Sex has given me power. Sex has given me pleasure. Sex has given me life. sex has provided me with the most amazing moments of my life. Nothing but sex can do all that for me.

Susan

I agree Susan. I accept completely that a woman uses these measures in a self defence situation against a man because men are much stronger. But it's hard to understand that young girls do it nowadays for fun.

From Lowblows:
"If it hurts to kick balls, the girl is doing it wrong!! Her foot shouldn't feel any pain."

He has a point there Susan. Were you sleeping or something? :-D

Bjorn,

Yes, it was in the middle of the night. The lights were out. It was summer and my windows were open. My dorm room was on the ground floor. He was drunk. There is no humor in rape.

Susan

:-D

What is it that you find so amusing Bjorn?

Ever since I was little my sisters always teased me about having balls. In school I was always afraid of girls kicking me in the balls. Therefore I do belive that girls do have the advantage of having no balls, and that I am have at disadvantage of being male. I was wondering when most girls realize that they have the advantage of being female. After all, girls live longer then boys. In school girls are smarter then boys. Women almost always live longer then men. So when do girls really realize that they are the superior sex, not boys, not men, and that it is really an advavtage of being a female over male.

Women know they have the advantage when they realize only they can give birth. They also know they have the advanatage when they realize they have the capability to have as many orgasms as they want - while men are not. Men work twice as hard to have half as much.
Susan

Clearly when it comes to sex and sexual matters, women are far superior than men. Most men can have sex for a few minutes and then after ejaculating, cannot have sex for about 20 min or so. Women on the other hand (Susan being on of them) can have many orgasms. They just keep going and going like the Energizer bunny. One could argue that women are genetically better than men, since they have two XX chromosomes in each cell, whereas men have the Xy chromosomes in their cells. The X chromosomes have many more genes than the small y chromosome and women have two of them, so if one copy is defective then the other one will likely be functional. This may be why women live longer than men.

Tom I agree on the balls part kind of.
when I argue with a girl I just lay back.u should do that too.

I don`t fight girls cause:
1.u can never now when one has been at a self defense lesson.
2.all she needs is a kick and u will be down
3.even if u win she`ll just suck up to the teacher and you`ll get in trouble.

Girl`s aren`t more intelligent thn boys,they seem better because boys want them to be.all u need to do is study hard.

lastly god gave guys balls it isn`t your fault.

but if a girl teases u about having balls tell her:

If guys had no balls you wooudn`t have babys!
thats what i always tell them.

What! Susan? Here I thought you'd respond in a fair minded fashion to this post, like you do most posts, pointing out something positive about men. After all you often go on about the merits of "equality" and the need for an "equal playing field". But what you do is agree with a self-loathing male and say something like "women have the advantage"?

I've disagreed with you before but I'm somewhat shocked by the lack of judgement in this reponse. Perhaps the womens lib talking points of the 60's forever left you with a negative impression of men?


Besides if I wanted to start throwing mud in the gender wars I could say "Oh yeah, a lifetime of cramps and pms, and perhaps painful childbirth, yeah big advantage."

But I'd rather appreciate women for who they are, and associate with women who return the same for men.

JIm,

The question was - when do women realize they have the advantage over men? Not do they? Or how do they?

This is a question that has no answer. No one can speak for all women Nor could the answer to this be the same in all cultures. So this was a rather tongue in cheek reply. Meaning I said it rather glibly. And I responded how I and women I know knew they had the advantage--or at least some of the advantage.

I could have said biology bears out over and over that women do have some advantages over men. More female fetuses survive to birth than male fetuses. More female babies than male babies survive to the age of one year. Women live longer than men. Until menopause women are consistently healthier than men.

Or I could have disagreed and said that women generally live in a culture where they are oppressed. They make less money than men, have less job security, have less opportunity for promotion, are often prevented from being part of the competitive work place for a substantial portion of their lives.

Instead I decided to answer the impossible question wuth 2 indisputable truths - 1. Only women can have babies. That is not culturally based- it can not be improved upon by better health care/equal opportunity. This has not changed over time. There are periods in a women's life when that seems to be a disadvantage - not an advantage. Being a teenager messing with menstrual periods and not wanting to be pregnant- this capacity might seem more a curse than a blessing. But ask any women who has given birth what was the most life changing moment of her life- and it will be related to giving birth. So when do women realize they have the advantage? When they give birth.

2. Capacity to orgasm. When I was younger and feelling the negative consequences of being female in our society - the one thing I always knew and wouldn't trade for any other thing in theory if I could have traded for was capacity to orgasm. As soon as I became a person who engaged in sex with men I realized that I would never ever experience penis envy again. The reality I see is that men have really very little control over their penis and have a very limited capacity for orgasm. Tantric sex has been around for centuries - it hasn't improved the sexual prowess of men much from what I can tell. Viagra is the first thing to come along that might just equal the playing field a bit. But even with my lover using Viagra I have well over a hundred orgasm to his one. That to me in one helluva an advantage.

And probably the other reason I answered the way I did is that sometimes this place gets a bit overwhelming. I have a life outside here and sometimes I wish I could take a break from here - but I can't - so I don't. Sometimes there are questions that deserve more time, but it is time I just don't have in that moment. I want to be balanced and fair - but that takes time to analyze and research and sometimes I just want to let the shit fly.

Susan

I'm srry for the smile Susan. I to think rape is'nt humor.

I only posted it because that wasn't what i meant and you knew it, but you wrote something that was true but not relevant at the time. I wasn't confronting you with that horid experience or even the idea of it.

There are more reason's why girls kick balls other then for self-defense.

Bjorn

Sorry Bjorn but I didn't know that was what you meant. Read the other posts where others question why I would do that.

getting it in the balls has got to be one of the worst things ever. i was hit during a soccer game and ruptured the outer layer of my right ball. emergency room and stitches. lesson learned, they're not indestructible.

Gee couldn't help but notice all your female positives are biologically based and all your female negatives are socitally based. How about how women tend to be too emotional, how about men are much physically stronger?

And you keep talking about women having so much more pleasure, but you keep forgetting something. How many women have a really hard time orgasming. How many never do? Men orgasm almost every time.

I suspect the previous post was somebody who has an unhealthy obsession with feeling inferior, and I think it was a mistake for you to play into that.

somethimes girls must see when to use self defense.In my opinion girls are supposed to use self defense in big situations like "a guy tried to rape me".

But my sister uses this kind of self defense for nothing like=

me and my sisster are arguing on the TV remote (wasn`t even touching her)-
she grabed my balls and squeezes them into a pulp----I hurt,she gets her way
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the point is that girls shouldn`t just attack a guy`s groin for nothing.
yours truely
JakŁ
ps.that wasn`t a good expriense

Your sister grabbed your balls and squeezed them, because she wanted the remote, ouch. What did do after that Jake? I also don't think girls should attack us for no reason like that. But the sad truth is that they know that that is our most vulnerable area and use it to their full advantage.

If that happens again, just attack her the hell back (as soon as you get up). And it doesnt matter if she's a girl, because when she does that, well my conclusionm is that she isnt a defenseless innocent girl that she suposed to be. Besides, brothers and sisters fight eachother all the time.


I hope this will help.

Bjorn


This post has been edited because soem of it was unacceptable advice to me. Susan

The question was that at what age does a girl realize that she does not have balls and has an obvious advantage over boys. The stuff about living longer, haveing better orgasims etc. is for another post. This post is about kicking guys in the balls by a girl.

Another comment I will make is that very few girls use the fact of not having balls to their advantage. Like you said earlier it was only the girls and boys who wanted some "fun", would kick a guy or a boy grab some ass. We very seldom hear of a girl kicking a guy in the balls to get a wallet or money, but it seems that guys are always abusing women.

Lastly I would like to comment about the power a girl has over a mans ball's, and how good it can feel. Sorry I did not have the time to completely look at the index, this may have been stated before. Any man who wants his balls kicked by a girl is sick, cause it hurts so much, but to have a nice girl to fondle, handle, or just suck one ball at a time, will make a man lose control, and almost have that orgasm that you talk about. Trouble is most men just want to get it done, but a male orgasam can almost equal to a woman if he lets her play, suck and control his balls. Cause that is the way nature wanted it. Mature made females the superior sex, and the ability to control men by the balls, and his natural weakness. So there is a way to make sex and the orgasms equal, but all men including me hate to discuse the disadvantage of having balls, and the fact that girls do not, and that women live longer and are actually the superior sex. O well that is life. But that is another story, as by the title girls really have the supereme advantage of not having balls.

After I got up (10 mins) I was still felling abit down. I couldn`t do anything cause she left the room. but the next time I saw her I tied her hair to the door handle(very funny).

when I posted I said I never fight girls I ment not kicking punching+ my siss is a real suck up.

JakŁ

After looking at this post, and others such as Mr. Poll, it is apparent that so many guys feel that it is a disadvantage to have balls. Or in a positive note that girls are superior for not having external organs of generation, or balls or testicles. So what is it guys, does having balls make you feel inferior to females, or is this a thing to get our attention. Personally I feel that it is just an attention thing just to get us gals trapped into thinking that we are superior. For that matter,most guys would never want to be female, with the responsiblilty of having periods, childbirth etc. But they just want us gals to play the game, be submissive to men, but to have the power of hurting a guy in the testicles if we have to. Not to think of it the sexes are really some what equal. Just a thought.

Karen, I'm not sure exactly what you were saying but I'll try to answer what I can.

I suspect many guys joke around with girls about getting hit in the balls because they can talk about their genitles with a girl, without sounding dirty, and they think that's kind of kinky.

But I suspect many of the guys your seeing on the internet get a sexual thrill out of being sexually dominated by a physically weaker woman. Which is actually somewhat a feminine trait as from what I've seen, as women tend to be the one's who prefer to be submissive to men.

I don't see why men would want to get women "trapped" into thinking they're superior.

It seems to me that in the modern age most boys are afraid of girls, heck I had 4 brothers 2 sisters, and there was no way that we would win a battle with the boys. They would grab our hair, torture us, and only in an emgerency would we even think of going after their balls. Our brothers had the power and we knew it, their balls was only for our self defense and we knew it. What has changed? Something has changed in the modern world, I am not quite sure?

Men now have been taught via media and other women to be submissive. More men now learn from a young age that it is perhaps a sin to be a man. Men commit all kind of crime, war, and sexual deviancies and the rest of us are made to feel guilty for it. We try to be more "gentle" to overcome this perception of our animal nature thus we become more feminine. I'm not sure if this is prevalent over where u are but more and more men are becoming metrosexuals. Going for facials, getting their nails done and even putting on a light make up! Essential men are becoming more females and females are becoming more lesbians by liking this men. Is this a a fair comparison? Perhaps it can't be seen now but given enough time these facial, make up putting men would start doing more and more female roles. Soon they would feel that their undies is too rough so it goes to panties and then they feel that pants are too rough and hot so it's okay to wear a skirt. Hey, if the scottish can do it why can't we? All a matter of time i tell you!

Well i guess violence begets violence. Who is to say she won't retaliate with a golf stick to the nuts? And also if you were to grab her after she has attacked you would shock her enough to stop doing her ball crunching action. But you have to realise, that if she goes to you parents, chances are they would chastise you for grabbing her and mildly tick her off. GIrls get away with a lot of things. Next time get a ball guard so if she reaches for it you'd be well protected and she may just stop doing it once she knows she can't hurt you. Wear it for a month, 6 months, a year..

I think you got it partly right. I think men are getting more in touch with their feminine side and women more in touch with their masculine side. I think both those sides have always existed in all of us - but from a young age we are taught to act like a man, or act like a young lady - we learn what is expected of us and we completely forget we have other parts to us.

Susan

Good observation Salamander of the way many of us men are becoming. I have noticed it too somewhat, now that you have mentioned it. More and more guys are having facials, getting thier nails done and their bodies waxed. These are things that were traditionally reserved for women.

I'm not sure if I would be considered a metrosexual, by definition, but I do like to take care of myself. I like soaking my feet in my foot-spa and keeping myself overall clean, but I don't have facials, get my nails done or have body waxes, so I guess I don't fit the mold. Although, I like women's panties like you mentioned. They seem to feel a lot more nicer than regular briefs.

I still think that this metrosexual trend is still a new concept, where I live anyway, but will be practiced by more men in the future. Right now, more homosexual men do these "feminine" types of things.

Well maybe more homosexuals tend to pretty themselves up. Take care in the way they wear their clothes, perfumes or musk. But then again that would be over generalising. I know a guy that is gay but you wouldn't know it, he plays sports, outgoing, the life of any party and yet he doesn't go for facials nor isn't really a metrosexuals. You are right to assume that this metrosexuality is more for straight guys than homosexuals. The average heterosexual is so homophobic that when they indulge in feminine activity they need to know that they aren't homosexuals as how others would think so society comes up with a new term, metrosexual. SUsan is right, we are all women inside and for women, the are all men inside. Put a timid man in a situation of dire consequences and he will take change and put a timid woman in such a situation and she would take charge. Hmm....which brings me to a point, what exactly is Masculinity and feminity? Are hairy girls masculine? What about hairless girls who are very dominant? DIfferent signs of masculinity and with different outcomes.
Perhaps as a society we shouldn't be so bent up about roles and just need to loosen up but that is difficult for me to do. I suppose with every generation than comes along perhaps little bit more tolerance comes with it.
The Japanese and Germans did a lot of bad things and yet we worship them now, their cars, gadgets and women. Amazing how fast the young forgive and forget, eh?
Will we end up as Sodom and Gomorrah? I don't know that answer, perhaps there would always be lines that wouldn't be crossed or perhaps they will indeed find a gene in all of us that will cure us of all socially unacceptable behaviour. TIme will only tell.

I think these days girls/ladys are becoming more doiminant.
and girls get these ideas from films mostly .

There is a great book out by Steven Biddulph called "Manhood" where he talks about the socially-imposed change in men as a result of the feminist movement which was an essential and important movement to empower women. It's my feeling that in an attempt to balance a very male-oriented society, the womens movement aided by lots of media, with the best of intentions swung the pendulum too far the other way.
Generally speaking, social norms now dictate that men now have little to do with the raising of their sons, so how are boys to learn to be men? It is a lesson women cannot teach them on their own. Does it ring true when I give an example of a girl being raised since infancy by her father, taught at school by a majority of males, going to (probably) a male doctor, surrounded and influenced mostly by her fathers male friends and the fathers of her own friends all influencing her with their ideals of what a woman should be? Would she grow up a balanced and happy woman? Yet we raise our sons this way.
We needed women to become socially equal and empowered, but men are now not the equal of women. Men are portrayed as rapists, predators, warmongerers. While this is true of some men, I do not feel it is right that a whole generation of boys and men should carry the guilt of this just for being male.
Hold your heads up boys! You ARE differnet to women, and you SHOULD be. It's true - your orgasms ARE different - wonderfully so! It doesnt mean they are lesser, or less important (ref 'just curious' thread) although some women may try to make you feel it is so. Look within, find that primal, wild, protective, sexy, loving maculinity within yourselves and never feel ashamed to bring him into the light and into your relationships.
Ok ive had my rant haha Ill shut up now! Seriously, read that book if you want to change your life, or the life of the boys and men around you (whether you are male or female).
PS my rant was generalistically speaking of western society & my apologies for hijacking the thread.

Great post! Keep it up. Butrthis thread is so far off track these days I amgoing to close it.

Susan