FUEL PROTESTS ARE BACK Tuesday 28th October

Memories of the country grinding to a halt...

Last weekend over sixty lorries descended on Cardiff in a fuel protest reminiscent of the demonstrations that almost brought the UK to a state of emergency a couple of years back.

The Welsh Road Haulage Association was one of the organisations that was involved in the protest which headed along the M4 before turning into Cardiff. A spokesman for the Association said "We are not very happy with the tax imposed on fuel. Around 74p in every pound goes to the Government. Nowhere else in Europe compares. "

The protesters didn't intend to blockade the roads, but wanted to remind people of just how severe the tax on fuel is in the UK and the consequences for business and in turn for consumers.

How much longer are we going to take these price rises?Knowing that it is us the fuel consumer that is paying for the bullets and missiles that are killing innocent civilians in foreign lands.We must protest and i suggest mass civil disobedience.Fill up and drive o0ff,don't pay their prices.if enough of us do it then the system cannot prosecute us all the civil servants cannot cope with their workoad now so lets stick together and do it SOON.

after going to the pumps the other morning i was gob smacked to find the pump price had gone up over night from 79.9p to 83.9 then the next day to 84.9 and motor way services is about 86.9 is the world going mad im just on owner operator my insurace has gone up by £700 pounds this year.......

with the rise in fuel and tolls some days i dont think this job is with doing

sack blair
scrap war in iraq

i saw on the news today that a petrol stn in the south is charging 98p per ltr for unleaded.
now to me thats way past a joke...

ps was also said more price increases in september & that the protests will no dobt kick of then so comon lads & lass's time to get planing.

how come its so cheap in europe???????????
are we european???????????
time to start shouting again!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I 4 1 am gettin sick of this country and im thinking aboout moving abroad. After all how many BRITISH people live here now. this country has become a laughing stcok we pay stupied money for cigs and petrol. our health care is an absolute joke dont even think about education and for freds sake dont start me on about police and speed cameras. ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN YESTERDAY WE NEED A SITE FULLY DEDICATED INTO SORTING THIS PLACE OUT

Well I 4 1 am gettin sick of this country and im thinking aboout moving abroad. After all how many BRITISH people live here now. this country has become a laughing stcok we pay stupied money for cigs and petrol. our health care is an absolute joke dont even think about education and for freds sake dont start me on about police and speed cameras. ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN YESTERDAY WE NEED A SITE FULLY DEDICATED INTO SORTING THIS PLACE OUT

it is now time to protest has we did in 2000 do not let this goverment keep using motorists to get easy money block roads now

WE NEED TO START NOW.

Who can we contact to instigate a blockage of all depots again. ???

I can not afford to get to work at 84p a litre !

I'm All for protests as its the only way the government will listen , I was there in 2000 , and ready to do it again.

PROTEST NOW .... GO GO GO

I cannot agree more with what is being said here. Thing is, we British don't show our disagreement enough with the 'democratic' decisions made by Blair and Brown, supposedly in our name. They would soon change their minds if they thought that their re-election hung on lowering fuel taxation. It is pure greed - and don't believe Michael Howard and the Tories either - they would do exactly the same thing. We ought to do as the French do - and do so well. They protest with ACTION that is meaningful. If the protest action isn't meaningful then it becomes MEANINGLESS and this Government gets away with it again - nothing will get done. Blair and Brown had the sheer audacity to face it out last time, against public opinion but they won't this time if the feeling in the country is as high as it seemingly is now on this issue. They at least - should offset the world price rises by lowering taxation - to keep fuel the same price at the pumps. But no - they won't even consider that option - they want to slap yet MORE taxation on petrol - and to hell with what the people of this country actually want !! I think if people REALLY knew how much a litre of unleaded petrol would be - minus tax - they might be utterly amazed. Do you think Blair will consider a reduction in fuel taxation ?? No. Do you think he cares what the average motorist thinks ?? No. Not unless his hand is forced. I think that persuasive action is needed - and needed NOW. Well done to those who are prepared to stand up and be counted on this issue.

It's time for someone new at Number 10 :- we need one big protest on fuel prices - a complete shut down of the motorways, roads, etc., so go on farmers and wagon drivers do your stuff, the people of the UK should Unite and show how unhappy we are with Blairs government but the protest should be felt elsewhere as well. I've been looking at the info from all the candidates for the European Parliament and ruled out all the usual parties. I am undecided between BNP and the EDP. I am not racist, some of my best (working) friends are foreign but there has to be an introduction of a points system for immigration and asylum seekers similar to that in Australia and Canada. The UK is only a small island in comparison and cannot keep opening the flood gates for people to live off social security and breed like rabbits. I can understand vast multiculturalism in those countries, in the USA and even across Europe but the UK is such a tiny place and I fear it is sinking. The UK is being drained financially, fuel is just the start - so Protest with your vehcile and protest with your vote - vote for BNP or EDP on June 10th and let's give England back to the English!

Ridiculous prices for fuel at the moment. I work for an airline, and our pay and jobs are in jeopardy because of fuel prices. I also struggle to find the extra money every month to fill up my petrol tank. The price to fill up my tank in the last month has risen from £25 to nearly £29. I can't get public transport - there isn't any to cover the shifts I do. Dump Blair and Labour. Enough is enough. Yes, I was inconvenienced by the last protests, but I don't care. Transport costs are rising, that means prices for everything will go up. How long do we have to stand back and take this? We need to do something now, and I will give my full support to any demonstration or protest.

I daresay that this thread (and many others) are monitored and IP addresses noted. However, I am not that bothered as I am all in favour of meaningful protest - non violent - to show Mr Blair and Mr Brown (if he ever gets to be PM God help us all) that we have a voice that needs to be listened to now and again. But - if a protest is to be meaningful - it needs to be organised and it cannot be organised on here. This is much too open as a discussion forum. We know that lessons that the Government learned from the last fuel tax protest means that they have already stockpiled fuel and brought in legislation - to weaken any such attempts at blockading fuel supplies ever again. They need to be hit hard somehow and shock tactics - where they do not know what is coming next. No doubt any form of successful protest will be met with heavy handed policing methods again - there will be those who will be dragged into the courts and made to suffer via hefty fines or token prison sentences for daring to protest at all - this will be to do with the new legislation I mentioned earlier. I'm afraid we can achieve the square root of NOTHING on here and gnashing our teeth and bumping our gums (or keyboards)is not the way. I need to remain anonymous because of my job I'm afraid - but I would like to join any protest going that I can on this issue. Whether I would still have a job after I was photographed on the protest line - is another matter. But it would be a gamble I would be willing to take. Take heed Mr Blair !! There are plenty more like me who don't use the Internet to air their views in this issue. You will be surprised at the strength of the protests this time around. This is just the start.

Hi all,

I too am really pissed with this government treating the motorist as a cash cow, what we need is the support of the lorry drivers and farmers and as many motorists as possible for a real showdown this time, an action plan is needed:

(1) Are we going to wait for more rises before protesting ( I think not!)

(2) We need the public on our side, it is quite surprising how many people moan about the selfish protesters yet don't say anything when the nursery nurses protest, these taxes affect us all and it should be highlighted as to just how much we are actually paying to the coffers in TAX. The majority of people are drivers and all our goods are delivered by lorry.

(3) We need as many members willing to do this at short notice not half hearted supporters, it is obvious that most farmers and truckers are behind it.

(4) The 2000 protests were the peak of the hatred of this tax, it now seems like we have all given in, which will give the government the green light to start more taxation again.

(5) Go slows are NOT the answer, they do nothing and make us look weaker. Better to live from the threat of mass protest than 60 lorries driving slow through a city.

(6) We cannot stop after one protest like the 2000 protests, longer protests or surprise protests on major refineries.

(7) Government have trained truck drivers now from the army so the protest would need to plan for this, sabotage of the truck if that's what it takes.

(8) Or do as the French do and blockade larger towns and cities with thousands of trucks.

THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOON.

Andrew

wake up the fuel protests only hurt the puplic they were finding it hard to get to work, to earn money to feed thier kids and pay the morgage, my wife is a nurse if it went on for another 4 days she wouldnt have been able to get to the hospital, you then find people who need her help are the ones not doing the protests. the only way you would get the puplic support is to protest in London and other major cities,

Foolman!

Which bit of:

"If you have any News............."

Are you struggling with?

 

Is that why you struggled to understand that people like nurses were guaranteed access to fuel?

 

And that 350% fuel taxes "only hurt the puplic they were finding it hard to get to work, to earn money to feed thier kids and pay the morgage" !

 

So here we all are...trying to work out a way around this. We (think) we've seen it all, from blockades, go-slows, queues at petrol stations, rationing and peoples petrol tanks being siphoned in an unneccessary act of crime.... Well, how about this one then? REFUSE_TO_USE ! Its a sure-fire method! If I tried to sell you a Vacuum cleaner for £1000, would you buy it, or would you refuse? Its more-or-less the same with internal combustion engine fuels... OK, so I know that no-one has ever tried to get to work on a vacuum cleaner, but surely, the REFUSE_TO_USE method is the way out? If we could all REFUSE_TO_USE on a set day and Time, it would be the ultimate invisible protest. So is invisible a good idea? Surely we need to be seen... to show that we are not going to tolerate this high tax anymore? How about get a T-shirt and write on it: "I am refusing to use Petrol/diesel (apply as appropriate) due to high taxes" and wear that in a public area? With that on a T-shirt, you could protest ANYWHERE! In a pub, a shop, a shopping center, etc... Why restrict yourself to petrol stations and oil refineries?! Go "the whole hog!" Look at it this way, this is how the REFUSE_TO_USE method works:

(1) If I said that the "cut-off-point" is 74.9 pence per liter is the time to REFUSE_TO_USE , then this is the tax knock-on effect that would happen:

(2) You're not buying the fuel, so how much is the government making out of you? Answer? NOTHING!! £0.00 !!
absolute diddly-squat!

(3) and the oil companies? Well, you would also financially make them lose out, too!

(4) So you can't get to work without your car? Well, here's a thought: You'll be doing a tax "double-whammy" !!
No fuel tax, and because you're not at work, you'll also hit them in the Income Tax department too!

(5) what about legislation/military force/a government tantrum? You CANNOT be forced to buy and use fuels, so there it is.... the government will be forced 'over-the-barrel' and the government can scream until they're blue in the face! (or get-in-line with the people, and reduce the price of fuels!! )

(6) Bear in mind that VAT is paid on a lot of things. Petrol is another thing, along with Duty. This is where fuels are taxed twice! So if the government got-in-line with demands, they can have the choice of making a LITTLE bit of tax (as like it is in most other countries, let's be fair, here) or alternatively, due to refusal to use, they get absolutely nothing from those who REFUSE_TO_USE ! Put the ball in their court! REFUSE_TO_USE !

So, is the REFUSE_TO_USE method the way out of this? Remember... Look at point 5 again.... Its just like the government trying to scoop air up into a heap. No law can stop you from refusing to use! Bingo! We've got 'em!

What's your views on this method? Get a reply in! When should we all REFUSE_TO_USE ? What's the set date and time? For the REFUSE_TO_USE method to work, we all need to strike at once! No good here or there, one after the other.... This tax attack needs to hit right across the country in a synchronised effort, hence the set date and time (of which is yet to be set!!) So come on! Get a reply in!

REFUSE_TO_USE you heard it here, first!

(c) 2004. Wayne H Posted: 24th October 2004, 15:25
(EN:- 241-004)
(The refuse_to_use method remains property of Wayne H.)

Here we go again fuel prices through the roof,when are we going to stand up and realise this goverment is shafting us again. They blame the price of crude oil, ok then why is it still low in Europe, spain, greece etc.
Maybe its because there goverment dont tax fuel as much as here.Living in britain is getting harder to live, with the cost of fuel putting up transport costs and domestic services. This bloody goverment takes 75% tax on the fuel at the pumps. B.P blame the goverment though this company made £1.4 million profit every hour recently. My god this is criminal,i work for a living, i dont have thousand's of pounds in travelling expenses that i can claim like these goverment wolves. In glasgow some garage's up here were paying 88.9litre of diesel.Well i have had enough i for one vote two cause havoc in the city centres bring this country to a standstill. Do you agree. Chris

Why not? No one else is listening.

Andrew

Something does need to be done but protests will only hurt those who you are supposed to be helping. Its nice to see that some people have enough money to be able to go without for days on end ... maybe you would like to forward some to us.

Last time neither my wife or I could fill our cars with fuel, so could not get to work. I lost out on nearly a month's wages and my wife lost her job ... protests certainly did nothing to help us. We are still in debt to this day, another protest will only make matters worse.

More misery,

I think that some drastic action is required for a long term benefit, just saying you couldn't get fuel and then blaming the protestors is weak because they are trying to bring about change that affects us all and moaning about these people putting their livelihoods and reputations on the line for your benefit is a quite a bit selfish...don't you think?

I noticed NO ONE moaned when the nursery nurses went on strike yet that must have caused havoc and they now have a SLIGHTLY better deal!

Andrew

Wayne,

ARE YOU JOKING?

Andrew

If we are to protest and blockade fuel depots the time is now! Blair cannot get out of this election now it is called. All Blair cares about is being re elected GO FOR IT!!!

Hear,hear Locky!! or WHERE, WHERE? as the case may be. Looks like it's down to just you and me to sort it all out!! Is there no-one else concerned about the £4 gallon?

Well?

Count me in - I live opposite a depot in Plymouth!

count me in. I support all protests. TIME FOR ACTION!!!!

The road haulage association says this could well be happening this weekend and next week the protests could be on. Good luck to all i behind you 100% I doubt if i can drive my Jewson truck to a depot though.

Why just blockade terminals. It doesnt work.

The police have the power to move you on or keep you away from the terminal.

What is needed is two to five groups of trucks traveling on the main routes from about the Leeds area on the A1 northwards and southwards, M1 south, and M62 east and west. Traveling at about 40-45mph with 1 truck overtaking the rest of the group till it reaches the front, then the last one overtakes etc, etc. If you start with just 4 trucks in a group just imagine the effect building up with other trucks joining the protest as it goes. Even if the others joining the protest can only spare a half an hour in the convoy the cumulative effect will be massive. As long as we stay out of the third lane we are not doing anything illegal except travilling a little slower than usual. We all know how a wide load slows everything up. Many bosses cannot openley support a protest but if our trucks get "ahem!" stuck in the protest convoy who can tell or complain!!!! If we dont do something soon another haulier near you WILL go bankrupt. Its time we took a leaf out of the frencies book and had action not just words.

Blockade the country till something gets done.

any boys out there for a friendly protest on the a65 on the 2nd of may 2005 few join already need more & more to join, this fuel jobs getting out of hand anyone agree? so if anybodies up for it please reply asap, bit short notice i know but we've got to get it sorted.

Please post up your plans here. I can't get my truck (I am not an owner operator) But I could attend in my car.

i was told that diesel on the m27 rownhams service stn is 1.09.9 a litre, its not just truckers who are fed up with this. i am a self employed engineer who does 40/50 thousand miles a year in my van and i have to swallow the cost to keep my rates competitive with the big boys

at nearly a fiver a gallon, this government is taking the piss. im a taxi driver in herts, and its bloody ridiculous that every day, fuel goes up another penny a litre. Diesel was once cheaper than petrol as it is cheaper to produce. because more people own diesel vehicles now, the bastards have hyped up the tax so its the dearest fuel. well, im ****ed off with it. if anyone has any intention of starting blocades again, im with you. if you need any help organising, ill help co-ordinating with you. i notice that the peoples fuel lobby website has been removed from the web, only because these ****s dont like the truth. well, **** them. they need showing. i would laugh my bollocks off if half of these oil companies went bust as a result. they are obviously profiteering heavily out of this. and coupled with sky-high prices in their forecourt mini-markets, for cigarettes, sweets,milk, etc they are ripping off their local communities as well. how do i help organie or start a protest? i cant be the only one who has these opinions. i dont give a rats arse who thinks what of me for this statement, and certainatly wont hide who i am or what i think. these racketeering bastards need to be shown who runs this country. WE THE HARD WORKING DO. and bin ladens a **** as well. simon black

im a recovery driver in stockport working for my self with 1 truck, peaple still want the job done for the price i was charging 3 years ago, try to put my price up to cover fuel dont get the job, pissed of we need to do something now.

this month lets do it !! lets organise

Please don't block the fuel. You will just create misery for a large number of old and vulnerable people. They worry about these things untold. Protest yes, but don't stop the fuel. People will support you more if you do that.

If people don't do something now the price of fuel will NEVER come down. Be warned the goverment is out to suck every bit of life out of your wallet and this is the easiet way. Britian has more in fuel reserves than any other western country including the united states and yet it refuses to do anything (like release 'x' amount of barrels) to reduce the spiralling cost of a barrel of oil. If people dont do something now the cost will not fall as the tendancy is to think that if the people are willing to pay a pound a little then lets leave it at a pound a littre. Put an end to this rubbish now and the cost will come down and more than likely stay down for at least '2 years' like last time.

I have seen today a que for fuel if this gose on there will be no fuel at the pumps.
so do it and stay until the goverment backdown and get rid of tax on fuel,
this is the onley way.
the goverment think that we will packin after a day or two but we must stik it out until they backdown.