Bruce Lee told me that if a fight lasts more than two or three seconds, neither person knows what they're doing.

I think we can all agree that he didn't mean that anyone who takes four seconds doesn't know what they're doing. So what did he mean?

--Steve

He means "Run away!"

:p

Yin and Yang! :)
If one is most efficiently attacking (i.e. using simplicity, directness, determination), the other one will most likely have a problem avoiding to go down within 3 seconds.
(Or vice versa:) If the latter is missing the right moment to intercept the other one´s attack he´s definitely going down within 3 seconds. ;)
Getting dizzy...

Best,
Michael

Hi Steve,

After much sleep I came up with the following.

You said Bruce said in punching range you will get hit and also he said if it takes longer that 3 seconds neither knows what they are doing.

Is it trapping or chi sau? If we contact and neither of us can break the stick none of us knows it?

Hi Steve!

I can't say exactly what Bruce Lee meant by his statement, but I have a "three second rule" that I go by myself. It works like this: From the first time I move to the end of the conflict should take no longer than three seconds. If it does I did something wrong! Are we on the same page here?

Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
Senior Instructor
Hardcore Jeet Kune Do
Sifu@HardcoreJKD.com
http://www.HardcoreJKD.com
Office (205) 956-1901
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"Hit Hard, Hit Fast, Hit First - ALWAYS!"

"What is Jeet Kune Do (JKD)? Chinese martial art, definitely! It is a kind of Chinese martial art that does away with the distinction of branches, an art that rejects formality, an art that is liberated from tradition." __Bruce Lee

if it took more than 4 seconds to win a fight, it could be that i moved second but i arrived first,

geoff

Let me get this right...so you guys are saying you can beat ANY man in the world in 3 seconds or less??

No...just something to aim for!! im sure if i was training for a hundred metre sprint i would try everday to out beat myself and inprove and explore my body to inhance my goal, which is replaced with better standards....hopefully lol! so in away i havent any goals, but saying that we all have to take small steps.

geoff

Hi John!

NO! That is not what I am saying! To be more specific, if I apply the principles of Jeet Kune Do effectively, the fight should be over in one, two or three moves. If I can't do that in three seconds, something is wrong! THAT'S what I am saying!

Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
Senior Instructor
Hardcore Jeet Kune Do
Sifu@HardcoreJKD.com
http://www.HardcoreJKD.com
Office (205) 956-1901
Kwoon (205) 274-9011

"Hit Hard, Hit Fast, Hit First - ALWAYS!"

"What is Jeet Kune Do (JKD)? Chinese martial art, definitely! It is a kind of Chinese martial art that does away with the distinction of branches, an art that rejects formality, an art that is liberated from tradition." __Bruce Lee

Hi Lamar,

Ah I see. Yes thats what I hinted at down the page. The three move thing but then that goes a little deeper aswell LOL I get what you mean now though damn I had hopped you'd say yes and I could win some money placing bets LOL

steve,

if a guy spends 12 weeks training for a fight 4 hours a day training and gos in the ring at the end of that 12 weeks training, for say 3x3 minute rounds then how much has he gained rom the preperation he has gone through,will dictate how he will perform in that short space of time, obviously training for the right thing....whatever it is...

geoff

ps is this what you mean?

........if you think about the Karate fight in Seattle Bruce finished the bloke in about 3 moves, gan punch, straight blast, double punch

Wong Jack man I dont know the details

john

Hi john,

would you say bruce after that wong jack man fight set a calabre higher in his training, because he felt winded after the fight in seatle,for example, it wasnt nesecerly his tools that let him down, but the energys that drove those tools, so in otherwords the more he trained those energys the better he felt in a fight, so he became stronger, quicker etc etc....so the more he trained the less he had to do.

geoff

Hi Geoff,

I dont know but Chris Sutton mentions on Baxs somewhere about there being a few people there and only Jimmy and Bruce so it was more a case of possible multiple opponents and maybe to the death or atleast hospitalistaion , hell weve all heard the chinese tales of meat cleevers etc therfore Bruce would have been in a VERY hightened state of being. That takes alot out of you doesnt it (thinking your gonna have to fight more than one). I think maybe you'd be better asking on Baxs but Chris doesnt post there anymore. Maybe he looks in here and will be a better person to answer your question. :)

hi john,

ive been looking into over many years how one would gain or control someones "attention" now it seems that the more one trains in whatever it is they desirer....the calabre higher mentality would advokate building this "attention" or body language that people would sense in you if one trained that calabre higher so to speak...

geoff..

ps by the way im no expert lol!!

Hey Geoff...psst dont tell anyone but im no expert either..sssh I wont tell if you wont :)

john,

ok my lips are sealed lol!! :)

sorry john i just didnt want too come across on this forum as a know it all, thats why i said it.

geoff...

Hi Geoff,

Until you cant answer a question you are a know it all ;-)

"is this what you mean?"

I'm not asking what I mean. I'm asking what Bruce Lee meant. Maybe later I'll ask what I mean. :-)

hi steve, when i was training with my teacher he used a term "2nd movement hit first" or somewhere along those lines, this is why i said about, it mite take more than 4 seconds why a fight mite last for. i dont know what you mean about that question you asked.

geoff

Hi Stev,

He meant move with a purpose. Do I win a cookie? [:)]

I guess this mstery will never be solved? Come on please Steve tell us :-)

John,

Of course the mystery was solved if, in fact, it was ever a mystery. But I can't (won't) help you on this. Well, maybe I'll help just a little. Instead of trying to figure what Bruce Lee meant, try to understand why he said it.

--Steve

Oh Steve you hurt my head too much :-)

I will have a lie down and see what happens lol

cheers
john

Well I must be the dumbest here cause I cant find where it was solved. I dont know why he said it. I am brain dead...I dont think I could handle a Steve Golden seminar my head would explode LOL ;-)

Definition of Hell - Steve Golden doing your head in with puzzles beyond your understanding lol :-)

John,

You keep reading what I wrote but see things I never said. I said solved but I didn't say solved by anything posted here. I'm quite happy with "my" solution.

Thanks Steve thats what I thought it may have been LOL cheers for taking time to explain. So this means im not dumb right ;-)

Ok. Here's my stab at it. Isn't it possible that a fight is "won" before it's actually "over"? Take the fight between Bruce Lee and the karate black belt on the handball court. According to witnesses it took 11 seconds. Here's Taky Kimura's description of the fight.

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When they got started the karate guy opened up with a kick that Bruce blocked and then he just straight punched him all the way down the length of the handball court. When he bumped into the wall and he was falling, Bruce kicked him. The whole thing was over in eleven seconds.
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Ok. The fight lasted 11 seconds. But how long was the karate fighter actually still IN the fight? How long was he still able to put up some type of defense or mount any type of attack? I guess what I'm saying is, a fight may be "over" before it is actually "over".

Regards,

John M. Drake

"Isn't it possible that a fight is "won" before it's actually "over"? "

Well, of course, as you know, this is true but it's not what Bruce was talking about. A clue... Forget the two or three seconds "rule" and try again.

One thing keeps poping up in my head "The Difference Between Doing and Being"....I was in a bad place one time when I was no longer doing MA but "BEING"...."IT" happen so fast that after words I was wondering what just happen, then I came to realizes......Let "IT" go just like "IT came, because true expression is art in it self and cannot every be reproduce....."IT" just happens! If its right or wrong to others, this is where my understanding what I'm being in the art of life.....


Take It Easy,

Hi Mr. Golden.

Let me give this a try...Everyone here seems to be thinking in terms of fighting and fighting skill in relation to the 2-3 seconds. It seems to me that Bruce, the consummate philosopher, was getting at something a little deeper and more meaningful. I think that what he was trying to say is something like this--If two people have come to the point that they have been fighting for even the short length of 2-3 seconds, they have both erred and, morally speaking, don't know what they are doing. No one ever "wins" a fight.


Shane