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Boxing combos vs. Jik Chun Choy

May 25 2007 at 12:39 AM
Alex S.  (no login)
from IP address 152.163.100.5

Dear JKD ppl:
I'm the kid who posted on this forum a while back about starting in Wing Chun. I wasn't aware that this was an invitation only forum but it seems like yall are nice people, so i figured it's not really a big deal. Besides,I have no other place to go for current info on JKD.

My Sihings and I were having a discussion (argument?) about JKD the other day and their general opinion was that JKD isn't as Efficient as WC.

I've always been Interested in JKD, and ive read both the Tao of JKD and Commentaries on the Martial Way, along with the Strsight Lead book, and its really disappointing to hear my sihings making assumptions like that.


one of the things which i couldn't figure out that i need you guys to help me with is, "why would you throw a hook or a one-two or an uppercut when you could just 'machine-gun punch' the crap outta the guy?" basically he was challenging me to prove that boxing combos can beat the Jik Chun Choy, and i couldnt think of anything.

they were also saying that Bruce never finished learning Wing Chun, and that when he wemt back to see Yip Man he offered to pay him mad money to learn the rest of WC and Man refused him and that was the other reason (besides the Wong Jack Man fight) that Bruce Lee developed JKD.

all insight welcomed
-Alex S. from New Jersey

 
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(Premier Login Sifu Lamar M. Davis II)
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Re: Boxing combos vs. Jik Chun Choy

May 25 2007, 6:41 AM 

Hello Alex!

You are always welcome on my forum! Consider this your "invitation" if you like!

Quote: "one of the things which i couldn't figure out that i need you guys to help me with is, "why would you throw a hook or a one-two or an uppercut when you could just 'machine-gun punch' the crap outta the guy?" basically he was challenging me to prove that boxing combos can beat the Jik Chun Choy, and i couldnt think of anything."

It really has nothing to do with anything other than distance, angle (opponent's positioning) and preference here! Whenever possible, it is best to use Jik Chung Chuie (the Verticle Fist Blast), which is definitely a part of JKD just as it is Wing Chun (well, I should say part of AUTHENTIC Jeet Kune Do anyway). The other punches just give you some options and a more versatile tool box of hand techniques!

Quote: "they were also saying that Bruce never finished learning Wing Chun, and that when he wemt back to see Yip Man he offered to pay him mad money to learn the rest of WC and Man refused him and that was the other reason (besides the Wong Jack Man fight) that Bruce Lee developed JKD."

That is partially true from what I understand. I was told that Bruce Lee offered to buy Yip man a condo if he would allow him to film him doing the Wing Chun empty hand sets and the mook jong set. Yip Man turned him down ... supposedly because he considered it a form of bribery!

You will hear many things that are true, and many things that are not true regarding Bruce Lee, his training and his personal life. I have the inside information on most things, so feel free to ask anytime you have a question! Like I said, you are always welcome here!



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Alex S.
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Re: Boxing combos vs. Jik Chun Choy

May 25 2007, 11:01 PM 

Hey I just wanted to ask a more specific question.

Sifu Sez: The other punches just give you some options and a more versatile tool box of hand techniques!

When is it preferable to use the "other" punches instead of the blast? When does the blast NOT work? (heck if i can think of a situation where it wouldn't)

I've always been told that curved lines are much less efficient and that you shouldn't use them. Being that I follow Socrates' principle of testing every principle i hold dear, I asked myself:

"SELF! If Lee Jun Fan added curved lines to his then mostly Wing Chun-based art, there must've been a reason...how can a curved line strike be preferrable to the 'more efficient' Straight line?"

That was the REAL question.

P.S. Sifu Davis you're a really cool dude. you're just like My Wing Chun Sifu...If i could come all the way to Alabama from Jerz to train with u I would...maybe you'd liberate me from the "classical mess"!

 
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(Premier Login Sifu Lamar M. Davis II)
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Positioning

May 26 2007, 12:27 AM 

Hello Alex!

There are some guard positions that close the line for the straight blast. The curved line strikes can re-open the centerline for the straight blast to go to work. Also, I teach my students to inflict injury to close the gap and set up the straight blast, then "blast away"! The main thing to remember is that if the centerline is closed, a curved line attack can open it back up. Other than that, I am with you on the use of the jik chuing chuie! BLAST AWAY!

Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
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"The REAL future of Jeet Kune Do belongs to US, the few, the proud, the HARDCORE! Now, what are we going to do with it?" _ Sifu Lamar M. Davis II

 
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John McNabney (Simplicity)
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Re: Boxing combos vs. Jik Chun Choy

May 25 2007, 10:17 AM 

Sure the straight blast is good and as Lamar has said here already JKD & WC will use it......That said, the blast will work on 90% of the people, JKD trains against the elite 10%....There are JKD ways of totally stop the blast right in its tract, most will not show you this though......But they will teach you how to blast... :-)





Have A Great Memorial Day Weekend
JFM

 
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(Login Bryan_Smith)
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another reason

May 30 2007, 10:56 PM 

Another reason for using hooks, uppercuts, etc is that you can put more body and hip torque behind those punches.

 
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Alex S.
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Re: another reason

June 5 2007, 10:36 PM 

True, but how can you use all that weight and torque while still remaining Non-committed? I may be mistaken as i have only read things about JKD, but I thought if you use a lot of weight and torque someone can Lop Dar the CRIZZAP out of u.

I WANNA LEARN JKD!!!!!!

does anybody know of any JKD kwoons in New Jersey?

 
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