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Andrew (Login LionsLight) from IP address 202.33.24.134
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I was watching the wed nite jkd dvd and saw that they had 2 different blasting techniques. One they said was from WC which was fast. The other they said was JKD and was a slower more powerful blast. I just wanted to know your thoughts.
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We have the same two blasts! We refer to them as (1) jik chung chuie and (2) the power blast. My personal preference is jik chung chuie, as I feel the other is slower and wastes too much movement!
Keep Blasting!
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If your mechanics are correct you will get more power in the WC straight blast as well. If Bruce Lee, I have seen Sifu do this as well, could knock someone back with a one inch punch think of what you could do with a foot or more. We don't need haymakers to knock someone out with.
i personnaly prefer what you call the power blast and thats the one i use more .
whit the faster one you get less power in each punch and when you start doing it natural reaction of your oppenant is to move back so you finish running afther him blasting and you hit him once or twice in all the bunch of punches that you throw
i think that bruce in his more wing-chun time where using the fast blast but later where using more the power one
it have a video where you can see him training in his backyard
and he hit on the punching bag , thats power blast to me
i could continue about it but i guess you guess have your reasons to use the fast blast and your reasons must be good to and my point is nit to say thaqt one is good and the other bad
The fast blast as you call it can be powerful with the right body mechanics. If the person I am hitting starts to go down or backward I will not nor do I need to run at after them. I can however give them more incentive to stay down with a kick. If you use the more powerful one as you say and you are up against someone that knows what they are doing or better yet knows how to defend against you then a kick to the shin or groin will slow you down. If one starts with the "fast" one and the person moves backward then you can get more body/hip rotation into the punches thereby getting more power. Of course all this depends on many varibles.
Sifu,
What is meant by the power blast?
What Bruce Lee appears to be doing on the heavy bag is just power punching. I am a huge fan of Bruce Lee but I must admit when I first saw this video years ago I was quite disappointed. The perfect technique and speed that he is known for is not in evidence. I can only guess that this is simply a training exercise to promote body unity and hip rotation. He would never have engaged an opponent in this manner unless the opponent was completly stunned and I am not even sure then. His hands are low, he is wide open and over commiting on the punches. Again I have the greatest respect for Bruce Lee. In fact his inspiration is one of the things that have kept me in the arts for so many years. I just have a hard time believing that he was demonstrating actual fighting technique on the bag.
So what is meant by the power blast?
Thanks
Kimsut
I too was disappointed by that footage, and felt that Bruce Lee was just "cutting loose" with everything he had as more of an endurance/power exercise, rather than precision punching. Also, the punches had sort of a curve line motion to them rather than completely straight line.
I am not all that carried away by the power blast, which is basically leaving the centerline wide open and just firing continuous punches in a jab/cross type manner, except for putting full body commitment behind each punch. The punches come from the shoulder instead of from the center. I feel that it is basically a sloppy way of punching, where you have pretty much lost control of everything! If you miss with one of the first few punches, you are in trouble because you have thrown caution to the wind in a bold effort to just hit the opponent! Overcommitment to say the least, and quite possibly complete loss of control of your momentum!
With the Wing Chun style jik chung chuie, you control the centerline and every punch can count, rather than just a bold effort to hit the opponent which may or may not work! With proper body mechanics and footwork (chasing step) you can get as much if not more power into each punch than the other method. You NEVER "run" after the opponent! That is quite possibly the stupidest approach to the blast that I have ever seen or heard of! If you did that, that would mean that the opponent is running from you! If they want to run away just let them go!
The dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone say is that you just start punching as you close on the opponent! NO! NO! NO! You DO NOT do that! That is where the "running at the opponent" crap comes from! You close the gap, inflict damage, gain control of the centerline and THEN start the blast! Done correctly, every punch lands with full power, and your centerline is NEVER open to attack. The only time that you lose contact using this method is when the opponent starts to fall. I always teach my students to "help them" fall by immediately firing a straight kick as they fall backwards. Regardless of what anyone says, this is the correct way to execute the straight blast, and the way that Bruce Lee was most known for using! Sifu Dan Inosanto once told me that whenever Sijo Bruce Lee wanted to end a fight quickly, this is the EXACT way he would do it!
Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
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Gary,
I just watched the footage again and did not see a straight blast in game of Death.
Sifu,
thanks for the response. I chain punch exactly as you described. If you care to continue a little more, could you tell me a little of the history of the "power blast". I remember reading in Teri Toms book her description of what she called the straight blast and she described it as a series of jabs and crosses. I remember laughing to myself and wondering where she got her information. She later refered to the heavy bag footage as being the straight blast. That really bothered me because it was so wrong. So where did this "power blast" idea come from? I had never heard of it before her book.
Thanks again
Kimsut
I had never heard of it before Tim Tackett mentioned it to me, saying that Bob Bremer had shown it to him. While I don't doubt that Bob Bremer learned this from Bruce Lee, I think there is a possibility that he showed this to Bob because that method of punching may have fit him best. As for Teri Tom, of course her source for JKD knowledge is Ted Wong, who also happens to be the ONE Bruce Lee student that seems to be trying to remove everything having to do with Wing Chun from JKD! Of course they would advocate a method of multiple punching that comes more from boxing influence than Wing Chun! While it used to really upset me, I have now come to look at it as just being their loss!
Keep Blasting!
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power blast to me is like a cross but you punch whit vertical fist taking lost of power in the foot ,hip , torso ,shoulder and then arm. the hand is more close to the center line when excecuted then a regular cross where the hand will start more in front of the shoulder or even more out.
the thing whit the wing-chun chain punches serie to is that it leave the head and face open, mostly on the side ready for a good hook.
i desbribe the types of blast like that :1 straight blast = is similar to a jab but whit the fist up 2 chain punch is the wing-chun way 3 power punch is more like a cross but whit a vertical punch still.
Quote from above post: "the thing whit the wing-chun chain punches serie to is that it leave the head and face open, mostly on the side ready for a good hook."
Not if it is done right! Read again closely what I stated above! If you have already been injured (setting up the blast properly you inflict damage to the opponent) the last thing you would be able to do is reach the head with a hook punch! Keep in mind that the punches would be hitting full power to the face! The last time I used a blast in a real fight, the opponent was out before the third punch hit him. He never had time to do anything, much less fire a hook to my head!
Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
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i think its important to make clear that i like and respect wing-chun very much. its the first style of martial arts i practiced and i still practice it today and i just say how things apear to be in my point of view and experience and i never said that wing-chun chain punch is not a good technique
hey marc, I could not disagree more on your perception that the wing chun blast leaves open the head for hooks. If done correctly, you are applying forward pressure, along with a strong centerline attack, which offsets any power the opponent has and besides, I am not going to get hit with a hook if you are going backward with my fist in your face several times per second. I like to add the jik tek once you open up sufficiently, which is gonna lead to the "kill" shots.
Timing is required in everything.
But that being said this is a matter of simple physics or geometry. In wing chun the weight is normally carried more on the rear leg. The head is kept back like the old bare knuckle boxers used to do. Assume this posture and place your fist on your partners chin and keep your head back. Have your partner extend his arm with a bend in it as if he was landing a hook. You will see because his arm is bent he can not reach your chin but you can reach his. Add the forward pressure mentioned above with proper timing and you have nothing to fear. This is quite simply one of the most effective methods of shutting down most opponents you can learn and it can be learned relatively quickly. If you are defending your life, and i stress only in a life and death situation, I advocate choosing the throat area if it is open as your target.
my point whit all that is , i think that the regular chain punch is not a good entry
because the shoulders are down and the first punch of the chain punches is not throwed in a jabbing way so its not very good to close the gap
but for a follow up technique yes it can be good of course i think so
like jeet tek close the gap chain punch
or simply jab close the gap chain punch
so i think its not safe to start and try to end a fight whit regular chain punching in most situation in my point of view
thats why if you ask me if prefer power blast or regular wing-chun punch i still say the same cause if you tell me ok you can use just one technique in a fight between those 2 ways i still think my power blast
between to jkd version and the wing chun version of the straight blast. As I said it is in the mechanics of the body. Wing Chun is more with the arms while the JKD has more hip rotation thus more power. Both control and maintain the centerline. I would never enter with this but most certainly could end a fight with this. Jeff you are correct in that a hook will not do any good as I am hitting you straight on. If unleashed in the correct manner as it should be any attempt of "blocking" will be beat down as you are being smashed in the face. Also if done correctly the returning hand goes back into the wu sao position or protective hand position thus ready to parry any strike that it might need to engage. If one attempts the heavy bag version you leave your centerline open for lowline attacks as well head on attacks. I would not advise this unless you have already rendered them into a human heavy bag.
I guess what was throwing me off was the dvd's description and the person technique while showing the move.
The guy was slow and and was using each punch more less like a knock out punch. It didn't seem like he was trying to drive anything back just knock someone out.
thanks for clearing it up.
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When I get ready to shoot my Hardcore Jeet Kune Do DVD series, there will be a large section devoted to proper execution of the jik chung chuie! I feel that is one of the most important techniques that we have in the system, and should be practiced daily!
Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
Senior Instructor
Hardcore Jeet Kune Do
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JKD@windstream.net http://www.HardcoreJKD.com
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"Hit Hard, Hit Fast, Hit First - ALWAYS!"
"The REAL future of Jeet Kune Do belongs to US, the few, the proud, the HARDCORE! Now, what are we going to do with it?" _ Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
When you are using the Power Blast, exactly where should the fists be upon retraction? Since this technique uses more body commitment than the Jik Chung Chuie I'd like to know about how far do the fists come back.
They pretty much come all the way back to the shoulders, which leaves the centerline wide open! This is another reason that I don't care for the power blast very much! You should NEVER attempt the power blast unless you have SEVERELY injured the opponent, preferrably to the point where he is incapable of returning fire! This is why some use the jik chung chuie for the first few punches, then switch over to the power blast!
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