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Question About One-Sided Stances

December 3 2007 at 7:33 PM
  (Login DesTinney)
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Hello there!

I hope I'm not bothering anyone too much by asking all these questions on the forum, but there was a couple of things that I have found very interesting and wondered if anyone had any views on them.

The thing is, I noticed the following passage in the Fighting Methods books...

"An offensive fighter, who can only use his right foot and right hand extensively, should learn to use both hands and both feet. Displaying a ONE SIDED OFFENCE allows his defensive opponent the quicker response, as his concentration area is being confined".

This, from my point of view, describes perfectly the "Ted Wong" JKD stance. I do use this stance sometimes at ALL ranges, but originally learned the proper JKD bai-jong stance that I feel is a more balanced stance to use and allows the use of both hands and both feet presenting the attacker quite a few choices to make.

I always thought that in JKD the stragegy is to reduce the number of choices that YOU have to make, as opposed to reducing the OPPONENT'S number of choices and thus giving them the advantage?

The Ted Wong stance may be good for moving back and forward, but when a side kick comes flying at you and you don't see it until the last minute, I've found it can be hard to get out of the way by moving to the right or left - I know this as I have very sore ribs at the moment!!!

I've looked at the advantages and disdvantages of each stance, and I could write a book on it...e.g. I've even took the time to actually test these things out and have come to some conclusions of my own. I know that this argument has been thrashed out before, but does anyone have any additional thoughts on it?

Many thanks,

Des.






 
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(Premier Login Sifu Lamar M. Davis II)
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Straight Alignment

December 3 2007, 9:06 PM 

Hi Des!

The stance that advocates straight alignment is a BAD MISTAKE as far as I am concerned. Ted Wong is the ONLY original Bruce Lee student that I have ever trained with that uses this stance alignment. Even the photos of Bruce Lee in the Fighting Methods books and the drawings by Bruce Lee show angular alignment. In fact, if you look closely at this photo, you will see that out of all the students present, Ted Wong is the ONLY one in a straight alignment. All of the others are in angular alignment! Hmmmmmm!



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(Login DesTinney)
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Cheers!

December 3 2007, 9:15 PM 

Hi there!

Many thanks for your reply - that stance just seemed to come out of the blue - until a few years ago I'd never seen or heard anything about it before! I've ended up having about 5 or 6 different stances and in some ways just adjust depending on range, technique, strategy e.g.. something that looks like a dropped side-stace when using the low-backfist (one of my favourites!)

Anyway, time for me to stop analysing and do some training LOL

Best wishes,
Des!

 
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Tom Drake
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Best forum ever!!!

December 4 2007, 6:47 AM 

This definitely is the best JKD forum there is. There are many people who come with questions in their minds and none get turned away or get told to "figure it out", all have their questions answered in detailed responses

It is so nice to see this after viewing responses on other forums, i'm sure you can all figure out which I mean

Tom

 
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Thanks!

December 4 2007, 9:25 AM 

Hi Tom!

Yes, I know exactly who you mean, and I know that Kent does as well! Thank you for your comments on the forum. It is my goal to maintain a clean, educational forum where no legitimate question is refused. Hopefully I am accomplishing that task! While personal research is necessary for your growth, I still am not going to tell you to "Go figure it out!"

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kent
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also can go for....

December 4 2007, 9:53 AM 

anyone that can only fight with just one side forward as most boxers will either fight right handed or left handed. If you come upon someone that displays this then you can adjust your attack for this. In JKD we do train the powerside forward but we do not neglect the other side or at least Hardcore JKD we don't. This is where the wing chun comes into play. Training chi sao and even attacking from the other lead helps us with this.

Example: I know sifu will not like this but it comes to mind. When watching the Ultimate Fighter one night one fighter was told that the other fighter could only throw kicks from his back leg. He could throw from either side but he would change from right lead to left lead just to throw a right kick. Although he could throw kicks each way it was still one sided. What a difference it would have made to be able to kick as we do.


Kent

 
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(Login JoeAnthony)
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alignment

December 6 2007, 12:35 PM 

Hi Lamar,

You mention the Fighting Method books for the toe-heel alignment, however in the first fight scene of Enter the Dragon (last and biggest movie for him, his baijong is toe-arch.

Joe

 
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And?

December 6 2007, 12:47 PM 

Hi Joe!

It doesn't really matter, as there are many scenes where he is in the angular alignment as well! The difference is only about two or three inches. And besides, (1) that is a movie, not a real fight and (2) Bruce Lee had reached a stage where he could apply his tools regardless of how he was standing! I don't think at that level of skill, a few inches of centerline width makes that much difference. I am talking about the bai jong as actually taught to his students anyway, not what was in a movie.

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(Login JoeAnthony)
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ok :-)

December 6 2007, 1:32 PM 

Fair enough. My view is the stance is something you work through, as you respond to immediate attacks from a neutral position anyway.

Joe

 
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YES!

December 6 2007, 1:48 PM 

Hi Joe!

Now THAT, my friend, is something that we DEFINITELY agree on! Most of the time, when a REAL fight comes, there is no time to assume the on guard position anyway, nor would you always want to! The most impotant thing in that situation is to be "alive" with your position, prepared to move and attack as necessary, based on what comes your way!

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Alex S.
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Re: Question About One-Sided Stances

December 10 2007, 8:35 AM 

I'm currently in TC's online club andwe use the to-arch baijong, BUT (and thats a big but) when you have to use the left hand or do anything requiring two hands the stance opens to toe-heel.

the toe-arch is only for extra push off with the straight lead.

 
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