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first of all - I love you all ! God Bless you ... this World has so much Evil and it´s getting worse.... let´s get to the point in our Art here :
G R A P P L I N G !!!! - IN JKD ?
Now as long as Sifu Lamar Davis doesnt kick me out _ I will let myself go...and really say here what I believe in... and if I have to go then I have to go...
Still got love for you guys...
I DO NOT WANT YOU to believe in what I BELIEVE IN !!!!!
But I have to say how I see real fighting, the streets an attack..call it what you want - IT IS WHAT IT IS an ATTACK !!
a. what happened when striking jason delucia fought royce....more than once..and jason is a hell of a fighter in jkd and WC !
where was the Im gunna stay on my feet ? The antigrappling ?
I SEEN what happened...
b. Emin and William - what happened ?
c. Alia and Frazier - what happened ?
d. BL was even submitted by a judo fighter in a match as he tripped over a skip rope and couldnt break free ?
any all my experiences....Ive been there....
So what is my philo :
Of course to try to stay on my feet and finish the encounter as quick as I can....WHAMMMM!!! WHACKKKK !!! over....
Works on most of the people....but what If he does take me down...what if Im tackled..what if he´s a good wrestler...if I slip...
Now what ?
I understand the theory here Im with you and believe the same...
But I have freedom of speach and will not get away from submission fighting and if your put the china wall against me...
How is it that hardly anyone here exepts that most fights go down...or pray that you will never hook with a good grappler...that knows the dirty dricks too..
All the evidence...all seen on youtube..in the streets..and even BL was crazy about grappling...joe lewis,chuck norris, dan inosanto all do it !
all JKD experts...
how can anyone dream that BL JKD today wouldnt be totally different...
I will say it again...
I think it would be JKD, fencing, boxing...wc... BJJ & Shootwrestling + anti grappling....
Thats my way- and thats what Im going to stick to!
Mike, you want to know why you feel you're getting a negative reaction on this forum?
Go back and read your post again and ask yourself, IF you were some guy who had no respect for JKD, Sijo Bruce Lee, and if you were just here to win a pointless argument - what kind of stuff would you be posting here?
I'm going to give it to you straight, mate, you need to change the record. You've made this point many times in a short space of time and people are starting to feel that there's a BIG contradiction between you saying how much you love Sijo and his art, admit you're a beginner in JKD, but do nothing but badmouth.
It's like standing in the middle of a church preaching buddhism. "I love christians, and jesus, but you're all wrong and here's why..."
And citing individual circumstances does NOT prove a point. Sijo trips on a skipping rope - is that in the Judo curriculum? And would Sijo have done things differently if he GENUINELY had the intent of doing the judo-ka REAL harm? Ali beat Frasier TWICE when it counted. And you know what, if you took me to the ground you MAY win. But to get there, you have to break my fighting measure, cross through kicking, punching, AND chi sau range to get your hands on me. You'd be running into a minefield - best of luck with that. With no rules, no ref, and NO RESTRAINT, you'd have at least lost a knee before you even touched me. Or would you?
Individual circumstances do NOT prove a point. Sijo researched for years and wrote volumes on why JKD would work. Discussing principles, applications, anatomy, physics philosophy and psychology will prove your point - otherwise we're in the realm of "My dad can beat your dad."
You are a guest on this forum, by invitation, and it's been explained to you that this is a JEET KUNE DO forum. You've even said you understood this and would change the subject - on more than one occassion. If you genuinely want to learn (And the VERY TITLE AND CONTENT OF THIS THREAD makes me doubt that!) we'll all love to take part. But it seems to me this "debate" is going to continue until we all admit you're right, Bruce Lee would not last 2 seconds against Royce Gracie or Rey Mysterio or Hamburgler, and trapping don't work and you got to weigh 280lbs and wear speedos to be truly effective. You would be more at home on an MMA forum, Mike.
How much impact can the knee cap take, exaclty? Or the side of the knee? But it doesn't even have to break anything, as easy as that can be. Just stop a guy long enough for me to wrap a chair around their head, or my foot, or for me to run away very fast!
Mike, you're a good guy and you know what's what. It's cool we don't see fighting the same way, it's what makes martial arts interesting! The world of martial arts being as small as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if one day we ended up on the same mat and I know I could learn a lot from you.
By the way, I wouldn't use a chair or anything either usually but if my life depended on it (And with a guy your size, it probably would!) I'm going to do what it takes to get out of there in one piece, including making an escape as soon as it's safe to do so!
The way i see it is this. Add a pair of shoes, concrete floor and maybe smashed glass not to mention a gang of mates and then it is pretty obvious that training to go to ground is a bad idea. Going to ground should be a last resort and if you do and up there you should still be using JKD principle. Economy, simplicity and always think of hitting. We should train to go to ground only so as to learn why not to end up there. As one one of my instructor said to me. "MMA fighters tell you that 90% of fights go to ground. Well 100% start stood up"
if they say 90% they are doing something desparately wrong! 100% of my fights go to the ground! They are lying on the ground knocked out and I am standing there on my two feet looking down at them, watching as they sleep peacefully!
Mike, you're a good guy and you know what's what. It's cool we don't see fighting the same way, it's what makes martial arts interesting! The world of martial arts being as small as it is, I wouldn't be surprised if one day we ended up on the same mat and I know I could learn a lot from you.
I only have love for ya bro and Id learn much more from you...
By the way, I wouldn't use a chair or anything either usually but if my life depended on it (And with a guy your size, it probably would!) I'm going to do what it takes to get out of there in one piece, including making an escape as soon as it's safe to do so!
Id never attack you or try to prove a point..Im without any ego..
Im just a spirit in a body....living on earth as a man for now...with 2 arms and 2 legs...
what do i really now...I know - I know = jack
I cant compare myself with you guys or Sifu - you have spent your lifes on kickin ass...
Im a musician and rather popular in germany...but im also a martial artist...a thinker... and have my own experiences..
The way i see it is this. Add a pair of shoes, concrete floor and maybe smashed glass not to mention a gang of mates and then it is pretty obvious that training to go to ground is a bad idea.
I AGREE UNDER THOSE SURCUMSTANCES
Going to ground should be a last resort
THAT DEPENDS ON WHO STANDS INFRONT OF YOU
and if you do and up there you should still be using JKD principle.
IF THAT INCLUDES WHAT I THINK JKD WOULD BE TODAY IF BL WAS STILL ALIVE- I AGREE BUT THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN STRIKING
Economy, simplicity and always think of hitting.
I PREFER THE KICKING RANGE
We should train to go to ground only so as to learn why not to end up there
SEE IT DIFFERENTLY - BUT STAYING AWAY FROM THE THEME I PROMISED THAT TO SIFU
. As one one of my instructor said to me. "MMA fighters tell you that 90% of fights go to ground. Well 100% start stood up"
I BELIEVE THAT ALOMOST ALL FIGHTS WILL GO DOWN IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER...SOMEONE IS GOING DOWN SO THEY ALL END THERE
if they say 90% they are doing something desparately wrong!
I TOTALLY AGREE
100% of my fights go to the ground! They are lying on the ground knocked out and I am standing there on my two feet looking down at them, watching as they sleep peacefully!
HEY SIFU IS A FUNNY DUDE LOL ! I BELIEVE THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE GROUND AFTER SEEING YOUR VIDS ON YOUTUBE...
BUT I STILL THINK IT SHOULD BE TRAINED IN A WAY...YOU NEVER KNOW WHO MIGHT STAND INFRONT OF YOU ?
Mike
If I recall correctly you said you are self-taught in JKD. I think you would really have your eyes opened if you had some REAL JKD training from an instructor such as Sifu Lamar. You need to see and experience JKD from a good instructor to understand and appreciate it.
Tom
Mike
If I recall correctly you said you are self-taught in JKD
ABSOLUTELY TRUE !
. I think you would really have your eyes opened if you had some REAL JKD training from an instructor such as Sifu Lamar.
100 PERCENT TRUE !!!!!
You need to see and experience JKD from a good instructor to understand and appreciate it.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT ... BEEN DOING IT LONG ENOUGH ... BUT MY JKD IS NOT BL JKD...AND I THINK THATS WHAT BL WANTED - THAT WE FIND OUR OWN TRUTH...ITS WHAT I HAD TO DO...BUT IM CONSTANLY EVOLVING.. AND NOTHING MORE ID RATHER DO THAN LEARN IT FROM SIFU...
BUT FIRST ID HAVE ALL OF US PUT ON THE GEAR AND SEE HOW ID DO...
I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT ... BEEN DOING IT LONG ENOUGH ... BUT MY JKD IS NOT BL JKD...AND I THINK THATS WHAT BL WANTED - THAT WE FIND OUR OWN TRUTH...ITS WHAT I HAD TO DO...BUT IM CONSTANLY EVOLVING.. AND NOTHING MORE ID RATHER DO THAN LEARN IT FROM SIFU...
Mike
You need to understand that you can't do an art just from reading books or watching DVDs, you need an instructor. So you can't say that you've been doing it long enough when it's not REAL JKD to begin with.
JKD is Bruce's martial art, to do something other than what he did is not JKD then.
Don't get so caught up in Bruce's philosophy, it's too common for people to interpret Bruce's writing as saying "JKD is whatever you want it to be". This couldn't be further from the truth, JKD has it's own stance, footwork, structure etc. and that's why it is called JKD.
There is no evolving necessary in JKD because it's based on science and simplicity. How can you improve on something as "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line", "non-telegraphic movements", "economy of motion" etc.?
Bruce created JKD based on science so that it's princeples would last forever. Bruce was well aware of different arts in his lifetime including striking, grappling, wrestling etc. yet still he created his art the way he did. Bruce had studied other arts not to add them to his arsenal, but to understand them so he could beat them using JKD.
It's hard to understand something that you only read about in books and see in DVDs, you need a proper instructor to REALLY help explain and demonstrate things.
You've given the best advice. Mike look through all the trees of JKD and try to find someone good to teach you. This is an art of few techniques but a lifetime of attempting to perfect them. In Lamar's teaching we look at all the era's that in the end help each individual find what works best for them. Even in the Chinatown School Bremer was a big, tough guy who could really bang while Ted Wong was smaller and had to be more elusive. People take the pieces that work based on their body, style and opponent. But one has to learn and understand the foundational pieces and then drill, drill and drill. Everyone has to learn the core curriculum to progress...no one can jump to be an expert. I.e. footwork has to be 2nd nature for one to progress to learn how to rezone and hit on half beats. It takes lots of dedication and perspiration,
For me it's 5 years later but it's still of working at trying to get the basics better. For example we practice the 4 or 6 phase intercepting fist drill every class and in the last rep I am always extending farther and hitting thru better than the first set of reps.Anyway we are glad you came to the forum and if you want to understand better what JKD is all about, Lamar has a ton of information on his website and has great DVD's. These can only supplement a good teacher.
UNCLE! UUUNCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAP, I give. This is the first time I have been submitted. I should have trained more cardio, I just don't have the energy to continue.
Jackson
UNCLE! UUUNCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAP, I give. This is the first time I have been submitted. I should have trained more cardio, I just don't have the energy to continue.
Jackson
THOU FUNNY - BUT ALSO REALLY SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT ...
MAYBE DOING MORE JKD WILL REDUCE THE TIME ON THE MAT...
I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT ... BEEN DOING IT LONG ENOUGH ... BUT MY JKD IS NOT BL JKD...AND I THINK THATS WHAT BL WANTED - THAT WE FIND OUR OWN TRUTH...ITS WHAT I HAD TO DO...BUT IM CONSTANLY EVOLVING.. AND NOTHING MORE ID RATHER DO THAN LEARN IT FROM SIFU...
Mike
You need to understand that you can't do an art just from reading books or watching DVDs, you need an instructor. So you can't say that you've been doing it long enough when it's not REAL JKD to begin with.
JKD is Bruce's martial art, to do something other than what he did is not JKD then.
Don't get so caught up in Bruce's philosophy, it's too common for people to interpret Bruce's writing as saying "JKD is whatever you want it to be". This couldn't be further from the truth, JKD has it's own stance, footwork, structure etc. and that's why it is called JKD.
I AM AWARE OF THAT
There is no evolving necessary in JKD because it's based on science and simplicity.
WHEN IT COMES TO STAND UP I AGREE TO A POINT - BUT EVOLVING MEANS TO ME THE ADDING OF THE GROUND GAME.... I THINK THE STRIKING AND THE PRINCIPLES WITH LAST FOREVER HOW CAN THAT BE CHANGED ??
HE WAS THE GREATEST GENIUS OF ALL TIMES
How can you improve on something as "the shortest distance between two points is a straight line", "non-telegraphic movements", "economy of motion" etc.?
WHEN I TALK ABOUT IMPROVING I MEAN NOTHNG IN THE STANDUP RANGES THOU I THINK BL WOULD HAVE IMPROVED ON SOME THINGS ANYWAY...
Bruce created JKD based on science so that it's princeples would last forever. Bruce was well aware of different arts in his lifetime including striking, grappling, wrestling etc. yet still he created his art the way he did. Bruce had studied other arts not to add them to his arsenal, but to understand them so he could beat them using JKD.
I ALWAYS USE THE PRICINPLES AS GOOD AS I CAN... AND THATS WHY I DO NOT GET MY BUTT KICKED...NEVER HAVE...EVER...
It's hard to understand something that you only read about in books and see in DVDs, you need a proper instructor to REALLY help explain and demonstrate things.
THAT IS TOTALLY CORRECT AND I SEE YOU HAVE WISODM AND GOOD KNOWLEDGE
You've given the best advice. Mike look through all the trees of JKD and try to find someone good to teach you. This is an art of few techniques but a lifetime of attempting to perfect them. In Lamar's teaching we look at all the era's that in the end help each individual find what works best for them. Even in the Chinatown School Bremer was a big, tough guy who could really bang while Ted Wong was smaller and had to be more elusive. People take the pieces that work based on their body, style and opponent. But one has to learn and understand the foundational pieces and then drill, drill and drill. Everyone has to learn the core curriculum to progress...no one can jump to be an expert. I.e. footwork has to be 2nd nature for one to progress to learn how to rezone and hit on half beats. It takes lots of dedication and perspiration,
PROPER FOOTWORK ANY ENOUGH SPACE OR ROOM MAKES YOU UNTOUCHABLE
For me it's 5 years later but it's still of working at trying to get the basics better. For example we practice the 4 or 6 phase intercepting fist drill every class and in the last rep I am always extending farther and hitting thru better than the first set of reps.Anyway we are glad you came to the forum and if you want to understand better what JKD is all about, Lamar has a ton of information on his website and has great DVD's. These can only supplement a good teacher.
THANK YOU IM ALWAYS ON SIFUS WEEBSITE I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM FROM THE WEBSITE
straight forward with this. Train all the butt grabbing, rubbing up on someone and gropping, I mean grappling, you want. You or anyone else and I do mean ANYONE that wants to try and shoot in on me will pay a dear price. Fedor, all the Gracies and 99.9% of any grappling "art" train for competition and thus RULES. Plain and simple Mike if you think your grappling crap is better than Hardcore JKD then come and find out NO it is not. No I am not Bruce Lee and even Bruce was not teaching his students to be him but to be themselves.
The grappling that Bruce did in the MOVIES was just for that.
Do I think that I can beat Fedor or any of the Gracies? Yes I do because I train to destroy and hurt the person stupid enough to want to fight me. I will do what it takes to see to that. I do not train for the ring. I do not train to beat someone.
I do not train to go to the ground. Can I? Yes. Have I? Yes. Why? Not because I had to but to punish the person. They were each around 150-165 pounds and about 5'6"- 5'9". I am 6'4" 365 pounds. See my point. Squeesh they went. They did not shoot but were dropped or slammed down with me landing on them. Now if I weren't such a nice guy I would have beat the crap out of them and really hurt them.
So Mike if you want to keep rubbing up on sweaty guys and all go right ahead.
Nice to see some cajones on beating the sport grapplers that everyone seems to idolize these days. I would love to see you fight one of the Gracies; kicking any of their a**es and posting it on the net would be awesome advertisement for Sifu and HJKD.
Nice to see some cajones on beating the sport grapplers that everyone seems to idolize these days. I would love to see you fight one of the Gracies; kicking any of their a**es and posting it on the net would be awesome advertisement for Sifu and HJKD.
OR MAYBE A RUDE AWAKENING AND TIME TO ORDER THE MATS
straight forward with this. Train all the butt grabbing, rubbing up on someone and gropping, I mean grappling, you want. You or anyone else and I do mean ANYONE that wants to try and shoot in on me will pay a dear price.
I BELIEVE THAT IF ID TRY TO NOR BEING A PRO - YES SURE I PROBABYL WOULD NOT DUE TO SHOOTING BEING WRONG BUT JUST BECAUSE OF WEIGHT ADVANTAGE AND ME NOT BEING ABLE TO KNOCK YOU DOWN AND YOU BEING BETTER TRAINED THAN I AM- NOT BECAUSE THE SHOOT IS INCORRECT IN THE ARTS
Fedor, all the Gracies and 99.9% of any grappling "art" train for competition and thus RULES. Plain and simple Mike if you think your grappling crap is better than Hardcore JKD then come and find out NO it is not. No I am not Bruce Lee and even Bruce was not teaching his students to be him but to be themselves.
GRAPPLING ARE GOOS STUFFAND NOT CRAP....SAD WHEN YOU SAY THAT AND ITS KIND OF RUDE TO ALL THE GRAPPLING STYLES WITH HAVE THERE RIGHT AND TIME IN THE ARTS...AND REALLY I THINK THATS A LITTLE COCKY BUT SHOWS YOU BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND YOUR ART AND I RESPECT THAT
The grappling that Bruce did in the MOVIES was just for that.
TIL 73 I BELIEVE SO BUT I THINK THE JKD WOULD HAVE CHANGED TODAY
Do I think that I can beat Fedor or any of the Gracies? Yes I do because I train to destroy and hurt the person stupid enough to want to fight me. I will do what it takes to see to that. I do not train for the ring. I do not train to beat someone.
SORRY BUT I REALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT AT ALL...I THINK FEDOR WOULD MURDER YOU WHERE IN THE STREETS OT IN THE RING- NOT BECAUSE YOUR NOT GOOD BUT BECAUSE HE IS JUST A PROVEN HELL OF A RUSSIAN FIGHTER...AND PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM RICKSON- I REALLY CANT GET THOSE GUYS OFF OF YOU...IF I SHOULD BE THERE...
I do not train to go to the ground. Can I? Yes. Have I? Yes. Why? Not because I had to but to punish the person. They were each around 150-165 pounds and about 5'6"- 5'9". I am 6'4" 365 pounds. See my point. Squeesh they went. They did not shoot but were dropped or slammed down with me landing on them. Now if I weren't such a nice guy I would have beat the crap out of them and really hurt them.
I BELIEVE YOUR A BAD ASS...YOU HAVE THE WEIGHT-THE POWER AND THE MIND TO DESTROY....A TRUE BUSHIDO WARRIOR I RESPECT AND ADMIRE...
BUT ID ALWAYS STAY WITH FEDOR OR RICKSON..ITS JUST THERE GRAOND GAME IST TO OUTSTANDING...
So Mike if you want to keep rubbing up on sweaty guys and all go right ahead.
I REALLY LIKE MORE MIXED WRESTLING WITH THE LADIES....IF IM REALLY HONEST...BUT YES I GET YOUR POINT AND BELIEVE IN IT ALSO...BUT ILL NEVER LEAVE THE MAT...
I'm really really interested in your methods for making someone pay dearly for trying to shoot in on you. In fact, next time I can get free, I would like to see you do this up close and personal. Since you seem to think it's cool to insult people on this forum who just might happen to be jkd practitioners...not to mention Hardcore JKD practitioners...not to mention full instructors...who also happen to be grapplers...like myself for instance...I think it would be great that when you and I do finally meet, you show me the error of my ways for being another butt gropping grappler. Or you can come down here and show me if you want.
will do with a passion if your dumb enough to try it. If you would get your ass from around your head and read my posts you will see that I have stated in the past that I like wrestling and MMA as a sport(s) not as MARTIAL ARTS that are effective on the streets. Mike was going on about how great that crap is for street purposes. That thinking is crap. You want to try me then go ahead I will not hold back.
Both of you are my close friends as well as some of my better students! I think there is a BIG misunderstanding here, and this needs to be straightened out! Both of you are really great guys, and both of you have some interest in the grappling arts (way more than me anyway), so please try to get along! Funny thing here is that if you two knew each other you would get along very well! There is enough negativity in the JKD world without having internal problems as well! Fair enough?
Wow that title reminds me of the Matrix (LOL). Anywho in all seriousness, I think Kent was merely a billy goat trying to cross his bridge... Detrolling the area.... If you catch my drift. And... If would make you feel any better... I saw Kent grapple at the club. He umm... had this guy in a Sleeper Hold and the poor old boy was redfaced and crying... It kind of scared me at first, and then I realized hey... He was probably doing something bad...
So... No need to call people out online (that could be dangerous)... I mean there are some people that would take up your bluff and might harm you or your family (seriously)... A friend of mine got a 2 liter coke bottle bomb in his mail box (no one was hurt) but you catch me. Just good looking out (and no you have my word Kent is not a terrorist. However he is kind of terrifying... But once you get to know him, he is like kind of like King Kong (Peter Jackson version), he has a good heart.
Peace
Your friend in Jesus and Bruce Lee and Kazushi Sakuraba (I had to throw a grappler in there and I love catch wrestling.. I grew up on it.. Just don't tell Sifu)
You are absolutely correct. This is a big misunderstanding between Kent and myself. Therefore, I will try to rectify it if I can.
Kent,
I agree with you about that guy Mike in regards to the comments he made, specifically about Bruce Lee. And, he should have understood the rules of the forum before posting the stuff that he did. What gets me is, you go around making some pretty outlandish posts yourself, and saying things that makes you come across as this supreme bad-ass that can beat up anybody, to include legit world champions and people that train extremely hard and are in terrific shape. You seem to think that because you train to “fight” that it somehow equates to being able to defeat these guys with no problem. What gets me is, you have no point of reference. You have made comments about being able to tap out the Gracies in a grappling match even though you have never rolled with even a blue belt. Am I wrong?
So, what I am saying is this…before you go making what are easily taken as insulting comments about people who study grappling systems, like myself, why not go on down to some of the local gyms and test your theories? I know of at least two, if not three places in Birmingham that would gladly have you down there to try out your ideas.
Kent, I have trained in JKD and specifically with Sifu Davis, for a LOT longer than you have. I have also trained for many years with top Concepts guys, Muay Thai, Boxing, etc. I have trained for 10 years in BJJ, wrestling, Judo, and many other arts. I am currently a Purple Belt in BJJ. That being said, I am completely open minded about the martial arts and it’s many forms. I have students under me that are pro fighters and I encourage them to be open minded as well.
If you have found a way of training that suits you, then great, I am happy for you. But before you go making comments that look as though you are calling grapplers gay for doing what they do, and also saying you basically dare ANYONE to fight you, think about who you are representing, and who you are potentially offending.
Finally, I admire and respect your dedication to Sifu Davis and JKD, I really do. You train hard and are always in class and I hear good things about you from others in the class. I am glad that JKD is something that you enjoy training in and I hope it enriches your life, so if what I said in my previous post offended you, then I apologize. I just hope that you understand where I am coming from with all of this.
as I said if you had read some of my past posts you would see were I have studied JJ along with wrestling. I work with my nephews high school wrestling team and work with the bigger guys. I have rolled with all color belts. Due to my size the blue belt could not handle me and the black belt got me some of the time. Yes I was "playing" by their rules and not street rules and yes they were much much smaller than me. Not many guys are my size.I have also competed in two MMA events and won both with grappling submission moves. As I have stated in the past most people that study any martial art nowdays are either training for a belt color or for sport. Both of which have a different mind set from those that train for a real street fight. I have seen it first hand. I have sparred with a karate person and when I hit him in the back of the head his first response was that I was not allowed to do that. He trains for MMA reasons. I explained to him I could as that is the way we are taught. We train for the street not ring or cage. As far as being the ultimate badass; I always go into any situation with that attitude. I would never go into a fight, street or ring, thinking that I could be beat. Can I be beat; yeah but not easily. If you have competed before you should understand. Being a Hardcore JKD man you should also understand that we do not promote any ground grappling rolling around stuff. I would not trade my training with Sifu Davis and the knowledge that I have learned for a black or red belt from Helio Gracie himself. If anyone feels different then by all means go ahead and feel that way. I will continue to say you are wrong.
Now if you want I can come down sometime and roll with you guys. I have no problem with grappling or rolling on mats; but not in the streets. I do have issues with the mind set that BJJ, JJ, Gracie JJ or MMA is the top dog in martial arts. If you read the Gracie challenge the rules are stacked in their favor. In the street their is no rule but survive.
No worries then. Just out of curiosity, who was the Black Belt you rolled with?
Yes, I do understand quite well that this organization is not about promoting grappling or groundfighting systems. And yes, I agree that the majority of BJJ folks out there do not train for the remaining percentage of street combat that takes place in a real fight. However, look at the percentage of them that have been victimized in a real fight as well.
I can't stand elitism on either side of the coin. I try to preach open mindedness and brotherhood in the martial arts. Nothing bothers me more than the people who say that they are better than others because of who or what they train in. Simply put.
I am glad that we understand each other a bit better now, and you are always welcome to come down here and work out with us.
I too would not trade the training that I have received from Sifu Davis for anything. I feel very fortunate to have him as a friend and mentor. One thing I can say above all else is that the technical proficiency and depth of knowledge the man has and has passed on to us is immense! Having trained with other JKD folks out there, it amazes me when they have no clue about many of the aspects of JKD that Sifu Davis has taught. I have even been told by one Full Instructor from another system that we do WAY more stuff then they were taught!
Our German friend definitely stirred up a hornet's nest with this thread!
I don't know how you'll take this, but for what it's worth, to see yous two - who are obviously both VERY passionate about your respective fields, and both very capable - to NOT resort to a flame war, but come to a respectful understanding, is a sign of REAL strength from both parties. I take my hat off to both of you. Like I said - just my opinion.
Bryan said: "I have even been told by one Full Instructor from another system that we do WAY more stuff then they were taught!"
Totally! This is the main reason I was attracted to Sifu Lamar's approach to JKD over other instructors - it's a complete picture. You get the history and it's STILL modern and relevant.
Helps with the positive reinforcement. Sheesh, I'm only 23 and I realize that martial arts works depending on the PERSON and not the style, however there are some things that are JUST more efficient, but that doesn't mean that your old style (kicking, grappling, dancing with swords) is evil.... It just that some things are going to be a little more complicated and much HARDER to pull off when you get be oh... Sixty something (I would say 50 something but I would probably get my young butt kicked by Lamar and Friends when I come down in November.).
So yeah, I agree again Declan, or what do they say in England? I concur.
it has been some years now but he and his asst (the blue belt) were teaching at Jefferson State Community College here in Birmingham. I took it for a semester and thought it was too much like wrestling. Of course we started from a mount when rolling and there was very little stand up.
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Oneonta, Alabama 35121
U. S. A.
