I HATE THEM

Sifu,

I know that there are some in the original Curriculum (as well as High Kicks).
I am positive that you don't advocate doing them very much.

Do you think it is important to teach them to new students?

I pretty much quit throwing them myself in 1991!
It was my first encounter with good close range fighters as opposed to kick boxers that stayed back in medium range.
I know from experience that they CAN be landed as part of a combination
(Mid Round kick causes his guard to drop, followed by a high spin for instance)
But I got to the point where I hated turning my back to the opponent.

I will start practicing them again is you MAKE ME

jmp

Hello John!

Juen Tek (spin back kick) is one of the eight basic kicks in the JKD curriculum, but I don't put that much emphasis on it! I instead prefer to focus on the simple, direct low line kicks that do the most damage the fastest. High kicks do have their place if you have the flexibility, so I do advocate at least trying to get them down! I do not, however, let that get in the way of someone progressing in rank in the Hardcore JKD curriculum!

Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
Senior Instructor
Hardcore Jeet Kune Do
sifu@live.com
http://www.HardcoreJKD.com
http://www.DragonBlastMA.com
Phone (205) 296-7070 (Incoming Only)
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"Hit Hard, Hit Fast, Hit First - ALWAYS!"

"The REAL future of Jeet Kune Do belongs to US, the few, the proud, the HARDCORE! Now, what are we going to do with it?" _ Sifu Lamar M. Davis II

Juen tek and i did not get along.

to this day i don't think i could do that kick properly

These took a while to get used to because I had no previous martial arts. When I finally got them down decent I liked the power. Still I don't think I would use it in on the streets.

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To be real with you, that was my specialty in point sparring. However, like the Ken Jones guy showed, the best way to destroy a spin kick is to Jam the opponents butt with a stomp or a stop kick (And after a while you will have butt pain :). I personally would not do it on the street as Andrew said, but if you have flexibility and can spin on a dime why not play with them. Who knows you might be able to pull of a 540 kick in sparring (I did and it made my sparring partner mad, at least it didn't knock him out).

You always want to turn your head as you spin, that way you're not as off gaurd. Spin kicks are usually set up by drawing an attack from someone attacking with the opposite side. For example left round/JKD hook kick (whatever you want to call it), perfect opening for right leg spin kick. For right lead hook kick counter comes the left leg spin kick. If your coming down in November, I will be more than willing to show you how to get some Pazaazz in your spins. For once the Capoeria and TaeKwonDo may come in handy (however I will take the chamber out of it for you LOL)

Jason,

Many of those strategies come from Point fighting where you don't get POINTS unless the kick hits the chest protector. You DON'T want to 'eat' one of my round kicks while trying to throw a spin
Especially since I would likely be kicking at the Quads.

I know this isn't an MMA discussion board but I just saw a Cung Le VS Shamrock fight...He kept "Blocking" round kicks with his arm and it broke it (ouch). Even big guys shouldn't block!

Yeah, I totally whole heartedly agree, I guess what I was getting at is that the spin kick is generally a counter kick. And, by listening to Ken, he was telling me that it is more of a "sweeping" and "scraping" motion in JKD. It looks similar to the Point Fighting Strategy, but you don't have to hit that high. I think Ken was trying to convey that it digs into the groin. I dunno. But trust me it is not as hard as it seems. From your Bai-Jong stance you can pendulum, and that can create space, speed, and momentum and the kick comes out. There again, Ken was throwing his low. The same type of strategy (counter) save without the chamber and without the extreme height.

Yeah, and a side note that probably only works if the guy is in the same lead stance.

Oh yeah, even in point fighting, you never want to block. Judges may score a point. That sucks for Frank though.

I think that the best COUNTER for a round kick is to Jam/Capture or to Kick the Post (base) Leg.
A push kick works nicely as well.
One guy I trained with was really good at "Spiking" your shin with his elbow (OUCH).

jmp

A sweeping or scraping motion! It is a full power thrust right into the center of the opponent's mass! My favorite target is the rib/solar plexus area. You can drop someone in a heartbest with this, and they probably won't be getting back up anytime soon if you do it correctly! I like to set it up with a lead hand highline feint. Also, it doesn't matter what lead the opponent is in, they are GOING DOWN!

Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
Senior Instructor
Hardcore Jeet Kune Do
sifu@live.com
http://www.HardcoreJKD.com
http://www.DragonBlastMA.com
Phone (205) 296-7070 (Incoming Only)
or (205) 213-2086

"Hit Hard, Hit Fast, Hit First - ALWAYS!"

"The REAL future of Jeet Kune Do belongs to US, the few, the proud, the HARDCORE! Now, what are we going to do with it?" _ Sifu Lamar M. Davis II

Sounds extremely painful. So, I take it is used as offensive, vs. counter?