Hi JKD Guys !

after reading the hot discussion on the board btw Kent and the other dude ( who missunderstands me also ) I decided to clear everything up.

For you grown -ups wanting to prove your way is childish sorry...
There is ego in there also...and it wouldnt prove jack.

What is the truth in fighting or streets or whataver confusing way you all want to call combat ?

I see it as 4 ranges and I will cover ALL of those ranges as best as I can !

to me that means to train my ass off in the gym- to steel my body and again I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF STRENGTH BEING WEEKNESS IT IS WHAT IT IS STRENGTH !!!

I will also be training my arse off with BL JKD, WC and say Boxing...

BUT OF COURSE I will be on the mat in every submission style that I can learn meaning sambo,jj and shootwrestling...but also using every tool i can on the ground...They have rules on the ground I DO NOT !!! It also gives me the advantage of knowing there game by adding there strong points to my GAME!!

and if anyone here is that cocky..that bad...i suggest for him to fly to russia and take place in a SAMBO heavyweight tournament - with NO RULES ( they will agree ) and see if you can keep them OFF of you...

Or rickson or fedor or mark kerr ( in his best days ) etc etc.....

again I am not changing my stand point because im NOT a dumb ass arse running blind in the REAl world.

I agree to everyone of your standpoints here when it comes ot sifus stand up fighting....

I just do not neglect the ground and roger gracie would show you why Im sure...

your friend mike god bless

Mike,

I am trying to see the point of your post but frankly I can't. I have only been training in JKD for 5 years but have a background in martial arts since 1971. Many JKD people supplement their core JKD with other techniques or work that complements them (including ground work, weight lifting, running, etc). But it is very easy to get confused that adding anything to core JKD is then JKD which it is not. The core taught from the right teacher and worked, practiced and sweated for years will equate to a devastating fighting system. There are no shortcuts.

I can't tell if you just enjoy posting that you work out hard, just like grappling and I come to conclusion what's the point of your posts. There are lots of folks working hard in martial arts every day. From all ages and styles. This is a JKD forum so if you want to ask an intelligent question about JKD fire away, if not....well I'll be Christian about it and just say I am sure we all have better things to do.

My advice is find a good JKD teacher and train your ass off in a few years and then post something that will add value to everyone who reads the forum. Good luck with finding a good teacher.

Jim

Whatever the point of this thread one thing's for certain and we can all agree on it.

Mike, you've been told more than once by SIFU LAMAR himself that this is not a grappling/wrestling/MMA whatever forum and you agreed several times to quit it.

And here you are again.

If you have JKD related points or questions, welcome back. Otherwise, show some damn respect and do as you've been asked.

who is talking ONLY about grappling and Im not doing anything i promised NOT to do...
I talked about jkd..... and stand up.

But im not neglecting the GROUND !!!

The only reason why im here agian is cuase kent and that other guy got in ot it...

If you all do not understand what I am saying that is sadly your problem...

JKD should incorporate ground training and if its only to see and feel what the grapplers are doing....I really think BL would have been on the mat with them to counter it...

NOT just hoping that anti grappling techniques will work?

but anyway....keep dreaming dudes...

Mike,

As has been mentioned many times before, what people add to their JKD core curriculum is unique for each person. It's whatever works for that person but if I add grappling or a tkd kick to my personal stuff...it still is not jkd just supplementory.

Since you are on a JKD forum posting about stand up attacks then we all know the straight lead is the cornerstone of JKD punching. If you are really here to discuss JKD then please enlighten us on the specifics of how to throw a proper straight lead. I am sure that would be no problem for anyone with even basic jkd knowledge.

Thanks in advance for sharing with us.

Jim

Mike

In all honesty this sounds like more of the same from you, is there really an end to this? This is a JKD forum, all other methods of training are not discussed here with no ifs, ands or buts. If you like to train in the ground then all the more power to you, our discussion is for JKD and JKD related topics "exclusively".

You still have yet to understand JKD, nobody can claim to know or it understand it if they haven't been taught it, it's common sense.
About your point with Bruce being on the mat, there is no end to that argument either. I'm sure you realize that grappling/groundfighting has been around forever and much longer than the UFC in the early 90s. Do you really think Bruce didn't notice this type of fighting? Of course he did, yet he STILL did not fight that way. Regardless this argument is pointless.
If you want to talk about JKD then that's great but if you continue to talk about grappling, submissions, MMA etc. then you are breaking the rules of the forum.

I'm sure that all the guys you mentioned are great fighters, and I have respect for all professional fighters for their abilities. I'm sure Fedor and Rickson are great fighters BUT....we are not here to talk about them. A general discussion forum for MMA and grappling may be more suited to the topics you wish to talk about, here it's Sifu's forum and he has rules that must be followed.

Have a nice day
Tom

I think the best thing to do about this is just not respond to his post at all. That way it will put a end to this.

and any others that know the truth, ie Hardcore JKD; this Mike from Germany is just another troll wanting to stir the pot. We do not neglect the ground either. We in Hardcore JKD love to knock people to the ground. We train for that. Again MMA is a sport not an art. I like the sport but until you have trained in JKD the way we do you will never see the light so to speak. It is obvious by Mikes' posts that he thinks bigger is better and just does not realize what a good wing chun or JKD person can really do. He loves the ground so let him stay on it along with the other refuse.

Kent

Kent,

In my opinion, you do Sifu Lamar a great disservice by name calling and making fun of other people and the way they train.

In fact, because of your comments (and seemingly Lamar backing you on them) I feel like I can't be a part of the HJKD group anymore, if this is how they treat other's and their training methods.

Sure, Mike is "breaking the rules" to some extent - but your responses are just downright rude.

Lamar claimed there was a misunderstanding last time, even though it was quite clear based on your posts.

I know Lamar favors you, and I know you are 100% commited to HJKD, much like Lamar is. Admirable. Still, to put other's ways down because they are not yours, and to insult on top of it? Not so admirable.

Will

and whoever else feels this way; I don't care. If you don't want to be apart of the Hardcore JKD family thus supporting it FULLY then goodbye. Hardcore JKD does not promote ground grappling as an effective/efficient art/way/choice. Sifu Lamar has not stated either way his support of my comments. He also does not favor me over any other student of his. Mike has been told several times that this is a JKD forum not a grappling forum. Do I promote grappling/MMA? Yes as a SPORT. Do I promote Hardcore JKD as to what I feel and know as the most effective art for real life/street purposes? YES. Do I think anything needs to be added? NO. You say I am putting others way of training down. Yes I am. Just as Mike is and is all about grappling and MMA I am about Hardcore JKD. I feel our way is better and when some troll like Mike continues to say we are lacking and we don't have an understanding or we have wishful thinking I will say what is needed to be said. I am also anti someone putting OUR way down on OUR forum. If you want to teach JKD and add Jui Jitsui in with it great; go ahead. It is not Hardcore JKD then is it. The misunderstanding Sifu Lamar referred to was not with mike but between Brian and myself. Brian thought I was anti-grappling to which I am not. If you read my later posts to Brian you would see I have asked/offered to come down to where he lives to roll and train with him and his group. I am however anti-adding what is not needed to HARDCORE JKD. I, as others if you read their posts, am tired of Mike and his crap. He does not want to see our way and insists on us seeing his way. I have not been rude but very straight forward with what I say and think. Mike is a troll plain and simple. My posts are very clear I am anti grappling for street purposes. That is the point I was making originally with Mike.

Let me refresh your memory with words from Sifu Lamar to what THIS FORUM IS ABOUT:



This forum is for the discussion of Jeet Kune Do. Since the Wing Chun Gung Fu system played such an important part of our arts development, this forum is also for the discussion of things related to Wing Chun. Therefore, this is a "Pro-Wing Chun Gung Fu/Jun Fan Gung Fu/Original Jeet Kune Do" discussion forum. It is NOT for those who are trying to take the Wing Chun Gung Fu out of this art! This is also not a "JKD Concepts" forum, and it is not here for the discussion of that particular approach to training! This is also not a "grappling, UFC, NHB or sport related forum", so please avoid posting on such topics! You can, however, feel free to discuss anything related to Jeet Kune Do, training problems you may be having, fitness and nutrition or Wing Chun Gung Fu! I welcome all who come here for the discussion of these topics! Also, this is a "family" forum! No foul language or inappropriate posts will be allowed! Any violations of these simple policies will cause your post to be removed immediately, so let's keep it clean! I look forward to many good discussions on this forum! And please remember, this is an "invitation only" forum! Let's keep it that way! Thanks!

Any and all caps are not yelling but used to emphasize the point in my post.

What is sad Will is you coming on here trying to knock me for standing up for JKD and Hardcore JKD (to which yes I am passionate about) and yet you say you support Hardcore JKD. It seems to me that you are supporting Mike and his way; which is not the Hardcore way. Makes me wonder how committed you really are or were to Hardcore JKD. You are doing the disservice, not I.

Kent

OK, I have said this clearly many times before, and I guess it is time to say it again! This IS NOT a grappling/NHB/MMA/UFC forum, and what we do has absolutely NOTHING to do with these things! This is a HARDCORE JEET KUNE DO forum, and that is what it is for! If someone else wants to grapple or compete, that is fine, let them do it all they want to, but that is not what this forum is here for!

I understand everyone's viewpoint on this VERY CLEARLY, but take it to private email discussion if you want to argue and fuss over it! I am SICK & TIRED of seeing it here! I have been very nice and very considerate of all concerned by even allowing this on my forum. Truth is, it should have been deleted when I saw the first post!

I have been involved in the martial arts for forty-one years! I am certified as a FULL INSTRUCTOR by FIVE original First Generation students of the late Sijo Bruce Lee. This is ALL THAT I DO! This is MY LIFE! If someone doesn't have any more respect for me than to come onto my forum, where the rules have been clearly stated, and disrespect me by blatantly disobeying those rules, then I would rather not see that person on this forum again! I am starting to consider this a blatant insult to me and what I have devoted my life to, and I am starting to get angry about it! Now I want it STOPPED! Is that understood?

Keep Blasting!
Sifu Lamar M. Davis II
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Kent, I don't believe Will was knocking you for "standing up for Hardcore JKD". I think he was criticizing HOW you stood up for it. As someone who "stood up" a long time ago I will say that while I don't knock WHAT I did years ago, I'm no longer comfortable with HOW I always did it. The negative energy isn't worth it for me. That said you've got to do what's good for you.

Regards,

John M. Drake