Hi all,

I have a question regarding evasion technique, hope someone could help.

I didn't have any boxing training before, all I did is Wing Chun. Recently I try doing some boxing evasion techniques and find difficult to execute a proper slip, especially the inside slip.

First of all, does inside slip have variations? The reason I ask that is I found the diagram in Sifu Lamar's book (http://www.hardcorejkd.com/img/techniques/inside_slip_backward_step.jpg) showing the slip resembles delivering a straight lead, the defender's motherline is facing the opponent's when executing, you can simultaneously deliver a biu jee or straight lead; while in some boxing manuals and videos, inside slip is always described as rolling the left shoulder forward and down letting the opponent's straight lead pass over the left shoulder (assume both the the opponent and the defender are both in the matched JKD Bai-jong), the counterattack is always a rear corkscrew. Are both inside slip?

The two techniques look very different and execute in very different ways. The former seems to be more Wing Chun-based obeying the principle of facing, you can still use the most powerful JKD hand weapon (the straight lead) to counter; the letter is less comfortable for me to execute, as I always think that I'm off the opponent's motherline/centreline when rolling down, and a rear corkscrew is less damaging than a straight lead. I have the similar concern when executing the outside slip as well.

Can someone tell me why I have this concern? Is it just a psychological barrier for me to overcome, and it happens to most of you guys when first started? Or does it mean my boxing evasion is less proficient than my Wing Chun, that's why I feel more secure to do the former inside slip? Or is there any real confusing between the slips and the principle of facing?

Cheers,
Godwin

not to answer your question only to give you something to think about because I had the same thoughts a few months ago.

JKD and WC are for the street.

Boxing tactics are developed for 12 rounds in the ring.

Be careful of who you ask the question because a boxer or boxing trainer will give you answers/advice based on their application in the ring. This was the problem I ran into.







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Godwin
The inside slip is an inside slip, there aren't variations. I'm pretty sure that the second picture of Sifu Lamar is demonstrating a snapback which isn't a slip. A slip is about moving to the inside or outside of an opponent's hand attack (usually a jab or cross) and being able to counterpunch.

I'm not too sure what you mean about somethings, like for example, the counterattack is always a rear corkscrew. There are many more possible counterattacks for an inside slip than just a corkscrew.

I've never heard of wing chun having slips, but I could be wrong. I just know that slipping came from boxing and it seems to me that slipping in JKD is done the same way but just in a Bai Jong stance.

Just know that certain counterattacks are more comfortable to perform depending on your slip than others. You could feel uncomfortable doing a rear corkscrew because you're not at a good distance, angle etc.

Just remember that if you do an inside slip to attack right away because you could be moving into your opponent's other weapon (ie. a cross)

Hope that helps a bit
Tom

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your comment.

I'd like to clarify a point here to see if my question makes more sense:

I didn't mean we have slip in WC. When a centerline punch is incoming, what we usually do in WC is we pivot about our centerline (WC terminology is "Juen Ma"), so that we can "evade" from the attack and can use our hand to counterattack. This move is similar to what Sifu demonstrates in the top diagrams, which is named "inside slip" in the caption. I find it different from the "inside slip" shown in boxing videos, which involves rolling the shoulder down and forward. That's why I ask if inside slip has variations.

However, the motherline/principle of facing is still my main concern when doing slips. Any comment?

Regards,
Godwin

The "Shoulder Roll" is a standard Boxing technique used to eat the punch on your shoulder as opposed to the Face.
If you are maintaining your structure and RANGE and Facing, you shouldn't need to shoulder roll.
The Rhythm of the Shoulder roll is more of the usual "Block and and then Counter" timing that we try to avoid in JKD.

A Boxer would normally do the Shoulder roll to cover the punch and then counter punch with the other hand as opposed to intercepting or defense and attack on the same beat.

jmp

Hi Godwin

There are different ways that you can take to an attack ie. lead jab/straight etc. You can can evade, intercept, parry, slip etc.
Some may be more effective than others depending on the situation.

As far as your centerline being your concern, well it seems that it will be away from your opponent for a split-second while you slip. However your opponent has to adjust his centerline in order to hit you while you're moving. Usually you would be counterattacking while your slipping ie. horizontal fist to the ribs, straight lead to the face, rear uppercut etc.

With the bai jong stance, it allows you to hit in straight lines while you're moving so you can still hit with a straight lead to the face while doing an inside slip.

I hope that helps
Tom

Definitely nothing 'non-street' about Slipping a punch.

In the seminar last week we worked on it at the beginning of every session.
Sifu Davis integrates the Head movement of a Slip right into Side Stepping Footwork.

Just step to the side. The direction you are moving dictates which foot moves first.
Your facing doesn't change...just your Head slips to the side that you are stepping towards.
This leaves your Hands up as a guard between your face and the punch that was aimed where your head USED to be.

Traditional boxing (and some JKD teachers) add a Rear Hand Parry.
A Typical Boxing followup is for you to throw a lead body Hook as you Slip to the outside.
A MEAN Boxing followup is to then throw a rear Uppercut.

NOW.....
You specifically asked about an Inside Slip which is a very risky move.
You had better not only be READY to Attack but you had better be ALREADY ATTACKING as you are stepping straight into your opponents other hand.