there is a supporter of back yard greeders and albino exploiters on another group that has stated repeatedly that she has been given information regarding 'studies' that are 'more recent' and 'prove' that the albino Doberman is not an albino. Those of us that are pro the Doberman breed and standard requested she point us to this revelation of information but of course, she couldn't and come to find out she was being fed this nonsense by, guess who, the albino exploiters themselves!
I know there have been NO 'recent studies' that indicate anything but that the albino Doberman is indeed an albinoid animal, but IF there is such 'proof' or any Earth shattering new 'studies' that would reveal such wonderous information, don't you think that the albino exploiters would be SHOUTING it from the rooftops! More BS lies is all their 'studies' are... and those stupid enough to believe it, well, it is epidemic!
as to my knowledge also im not exactly sure which person you are talking about but they have proven the difference between an albino and a white... they have had this information out for many years. The information you are requesting is on the net. You just have to search on the right search engine. Though, there are many breeders in the doberworld that do believe that all whites are albino this is untrue... not all but most are. you get a few here and there that do not have the albino gene.
As I donot have the information on this computer because i am at my lab. However if I do ever get a chance to sit and research this information I will and I will see what I can do to post it for other to see as well as yourself.
It is quite interesting to see a white doberman next to an albino... the whtie has hair pigment and their eyes are darker blue... both magnificent animals and very unique.. thus far my family has had whites for a few years and all have great temperments and beautiful personalities which is more than I can say for our Black and tan we had from the same litters. HEHEHE.
Well as I do hope you understand there are many characteristics that are different in whites than albinos they are similar in many aspects. I will see what I can dig up on my vacation period this month. Thank You so much
No, there is no such 'proof' on the internet or elsewhere. If so, then you would post a direct link to it but since it is a lie, you won't. Obviously you are unaware that the albino Doberman is not a 'white' dog at all. White dogs can replicate like white dogs and albino Dobermans replicate like albinos - which is proof that they are indeed albinoid animals.
If you had a black and tan from the same litter as your albinos with poor temperament, then you are admitting that the albinoid bred dogs do indeed have bad temperaments, but actually your capability to assess proper breed temperament is in doubt to begin with so what you call 'good temperament' may be horrible breed temperament due to your ignorance of such.
I think if you actually have factual information that the albinoid Doberman is indeed 'white' we would not be having this conversation as it would have been spread all over the world by those that exploit the albinistic gimmick - but it hasn't so you don't
There are no white Dobermans, only albinoid ones that breed as albinoid dogs. White dogs bred to black dogs will produce primarily black pigmented skin, dark brown eyes and rust or tan markings. Even if the black is a z factored dog, the puppies will be predominantley expressing the dominant characteristics of the black dog and in successive generations you would see a preponderence of say white coated dogs with tan markings and dark eyes or black coated dogs with blue eyes and white markings and any number of genetic possibilities. But since the albinoid Doberman IS albinoid and not 'white' it doesn't produce any of the above at all - sorry, your theory is blown anonymous
no there are studies out there... you didnt ask for links... so how can i post them if i didnt get asked to see them... however i do work in a lab and there are studies and i have a few in my lab where people have done studies and there is a difference..
Albino means void of all Pigmentation. blue or pink iris and red pupil..
Some dobermans have hair pigmentation looking almost as dark as a fawn... only with white markings.. and dark blue or hazel eyes.. that is how you can tell the difference.
if you would like links please ask... please don make assumption nancy that i dont have hem you didnt ask for them... if you ask i will
please post them - we have asked repeatedly for the verification of such 'studies'. What 'lab' is it that you work in where these 'studies' have gone on and yet you don't know the definition of ablino? No, it does not mean 'void of all Pigmentation' (which isn't a noun that is capitalized) nor does it mean 'blue or pink iris and red pupil'. You might want to educate yourself about the terms you discuss prior to attempting to discuss them. Please since you are so informed about albinism and the albinistic Doberman, why is it that it breeds strictly and totally AS an albino and it no way, shape or form like a non-albinoid animal? Where are the blue eyed black Dobermans with white markings and the 'white' Dobermans with the dominant rust markings and dark eyes? Answer: they don't exist because the dogs are not 'white' - so they don't breed as whites but as albinos. I don't make assumptions anonymous. If there indeed were studies out there that provided one speck of proof that the albino Doberman isn't albino but is actually a white canine, we wouldn't be able to PREVENT those exploiting the gimmick from posting links all the time! hahahaha
DEFINITION
Albinism refers to a group of inherited conditions.Mammals with albinism have absent pigment in their eyes, skin or hair.
Albinism (from Latin albus, meaning "white") is a lack of pigmentation in the eyes, skin and hair.
Definition
Albinism ism refers to a group of related conditions. These conditions are the result of altered genes that cause a defect of melanin production. This defect results in the full absence of pigment from the skin, hair, and eyes.
albino
Definition
Albinism refers to a group of disorders that are present at birth. It is characterized by no color in the skin, hair, and eyes.
Webster Dictionary
Al`biŽno
n. 1. A person, whether negro, Indian, or white, in whom by some defect of organization the substance which gives color to the skin, hair, and eyes is in a morbid state. An albino has a skin of a milky hue, with hair of the same color, and eyes with deep red pupil and pink or blue iris. The term is also used of the lower animals, as white mice, elephants, etc.; and of plants in a whitish condition from the absence of chlorophyll.
Albino
Albinism is a genetic condition which results in a lack of pigmentation in the eyes, skin and hair.
Would you like more interpretations of the definition I can sure get them... They are all the same see... so i am guessing you just forgot what it actually meant... sorry... i understand mental illness. even a state of memory loss is a mental illness... did you know that? or did you forget that too? i am sorry for the research that isnt in your favor... please forgive all the research scientist that have worked so diligantly to make peopple like you realize the truth about albinism. haha
Definition:
Albinism refers to a group of related conditions. These conditions are the result of altered genes that cause a defect of melanin production. This defect results in the full absence of pigment from the skin, hair, and eyes. ~ University of Maryland
The albino body covering (skin, hair, and feathers) and eyes lack pigment. Albinos are unique in that none of their pigment producing cells contain pigment (melanin); i.e., the pigment cells are present but lack pigment
The following information comes from Gilbert, S. F. 2000. Developmental Biology Sixth Edition. Swarthmore College. Sinauer Associates, Inc. Publishers, Sunderland, Massachusetts
albino
noun albinos
1. In an animal or human: an abnormal total lack of pigmentation in the hair, skin and eyes.
2. In a plant: a total lack of chlorophyll or other pigments.
Etymology: 18c: Portuguese, from Latin albus white.
hahahaha guess since anonymous can't even recall their own name, they think everyone else is that dumb! hahaha uh, sorry anonymous but we have all pretty much read the definitions regarding albinisms... seems you haven't read much at all on it though, huh? Maybe you can be more literate about a subject if instead of relying on condensed versions like definitions, you would actually learn about a subject before attempting to interact on it - that way you don't have to be ashamed of your complete lack of knowledge about it.
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are you still yabbering on with your bull****? hey annoymous, she's a complete moron and spends her life on the internet instead of living a real life. the truth about ANY topic could smack her in her fat face and she STILL wouldnt get it. just give up it's a losing battle. shes a superfreak.
But expecting Anonymous to post that proof/study once and for all! She's yet to produce it on any forum, and it's been quite some time since she first claimed that it existed.
there is no way of knowing 'fairiedust' what or who you are since you are so ashamed of your perspective and self that you post anonymously Odds are you are neither a she nor a he but an IT - at least that is what you act like. hahaha
why because i can back myself up without the DPCA hehe... Nancy dont kid yourself. My name is JOAN. I am currently on a trip in the Amazon searching for albino Anacondas. I dont have all the time in the world to sit and talk about things like this. I produce research You do what you will... If you believe me great if you still are closed mind I dread to see you on the day of judgement because God will surely ask you for why you were so ignorant... And I am not personally attacking you I am just saying you should open your eyes... dont act those that have forced us into war. and so on. OPEN YOUR EYES. SEE THE WORLD AS IT IS. NOT AS SOMEONE TOLD YOU IT IS. HAHA betcha that isnt possible for you.
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bwhahahhaha anonymous is anonymous is anonymous... I don't see any difference in any of them and nope, no links yet certainly am not planning on holding my breath waiting for them! hahaha
who is a troll or what is that.? I am anon because I do not wish to argue. but it looks like you ladies have no life HEHE... go ahead and read the reals studies not what people want you to know.... did you knwo that blue eyes is a mutation? it is a dilution of the brown eye... as is the hazel and green eye... if i keep up i will teach you all I have taught my students.
hahahttp://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1129176042.JPG
uh, no wonder the schools are sending out a load of illiterate kids if THIS is an example of a 'teacher' - but actually I think it is not - I can't imagine a teacher being that ignorant or that ashamed of themselves but hey, they are letting just about anything through college now days... that entire post made no sense whatsoever - anonymous musta been under the influence or something?
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who is she? I havent been on another forum... I dont do this much... I was out to spread the word. I am apart of DPAA and AKC because we do not discriminate on people...
did you all know blondes are actually a genetic mutation?
they lack pigment in their hair due to a gene that is mutated..hummmmmm! I have lots of info care to hear more about mutations... genome... I work with them all day
hahahaha you are pathetic 'part of the DPAA and AKC' bwhahahahah suuuure thing and delusional as well! hahahaha Anything but actually giving any credance to what you stated, huh? Where are those links again anonymousE? Ashamed of yourself and the gibberish and nonsense you spew... I would be too if I was that pathetic... geez...
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U.S.A. Albino = a pigmentless "white" phenotype determined by a mutation in a gene coding for a pigment synthesizing enzyme. Albinism is a rare condition usually inherited in an autosomal recessive Mendelian pattern in many animals including humans. The white phenotype is the result of the body;s inability to make melanin. In humans, the albino coloration is the most obvious in the skin, hair, & retina. Albinos are generally homozygous recessive "aa" with white skin & hair and pink eye pupils (this is due to the unmasking of the red hemoglobin pigment in the blood vessels of the retina).
The albino gene in rabbits (From Griffiths, A.J., Miller, J.H., Suzuki, D.T., Lewontin, R.C., and Gelbart, W.M. 1996. An introduction to Genetic Analysis Sixth Edition. W.H. Freeman and Company, New York U.S.A). Variants of the "C" gene in rabbits can lead to 4 genotypes: full colour (CC, Ccch, Cch,or Cc), chinchilla (cchcch, cch ch,or cchc), Himalayan (chch or chc), and albino (cc). As you can see, the "C" gene is involved in a dominance hierarchy. The Full Colour gene "C" is dominant to the Chinchilla gene "cch" which is dominant to the Himalayan (albino with black extremities) gene "ch" which is in turn dominant to the Albino gene "c".
Some people call white Dobermans "albino". This coloration is inherited in a recessive manner, as is classic albinism. We recently studied the DNA sequence of tyrosinase in such dogs, (and blue and Isabella Dobermans), and found no mutation in the coding sequence of this gene. Another gene called "P" may be the cause of the white coloration in Doberman Pinschers.
so as you can see I have shown you what albino means. I have also shown you many different examples to prove in recent studies not something half a century ago. My apologizies I dont get online to often but when I do I try to follow up on everything I have missed.
I have a set of white dobermans who are not on the C Locus their coloration came up on the D locus as bbdd... both are very dark cream not quite isabella but pretty dark cream with white markings. Eyes dark blue and pupils black is night. Healthy as can be... No temperment problems. No skin and sun problems... He doesnt squint. He just is a normal doberman that has not color... and the other has brown eyes with black pupils? hat is the cause of a alledged albino dog having brown eyes...
It isnt possible according to all the studies done on albinistic traits. I am not here to argue with you... Most of you refuse to learn anything new because you think the sun rises and set in the DPCA. Guess What they only want your money... I have done volunteer work for the DPCA and they dont tell everything to everyone. Only those things they want you to know will you know... IT is kinda like President Bush. but that is the american people no offense.. you are all closed minded and refuse to see anything other than what they want you to... it is like being a padded room with one picture... from the day you are born... if you are there will you ever know there is an outside. phsychology says you wont. it says you would think there is no outside world other than food coming thru a hole. That could pose a problem if you dont try to remove yourself from the mind you have built and see the world as a whole rather than a partial area of it...
That is why we are at war... and that is why so many people lose their tempers because they think they are always going to be right and are affraid of being wrong, or they know they are wrong and are ashamed to admit that they could infact not have all the evidence or havent done enough studying behind it...
let me pose a question do any of you know why the sky is blue... probably because someone told you that. or you heard it..
the scientific reasoning behind it is that Tri-oxygen which is in the third layer of the atmosphere that puts off a blue-gray haze and when the sun reflect through it we see blue... Now see how if you look out side of the box and what one person says how it can reflect on what you do not know or what you thought may be correct and now it is absolute... This is how God intended the world to work... PEACEFULLY...!!! dont get your panties in a wad. because it isnt worth getting it in a wad.. It hurts to much to pull out
Oh GREAT.....now you're quoting Lysa Rector as a supposed genetics expert???? ROFLMAOPIP.
Here's a little factoid for ya. P gene mutations are THE MOST COMMON CAUSE OF ALBINISM IN HUMANS. Yes, albinism in dobermans may very well be caused by a P gene mutation than by a C gene mutation. So what?? Open your own eyes to genetic realities. And stop pretending to have knowledge that you obviously don't -- it only makes you look ridiculous.
It would be interesting to see one, but not at all devastating. In fact, I know of at least one albino doberman with green eyes.
In some human albinos, pigment slowly builds up as the person ages -- so the eye color may change with age. Some human albinos do eventually develop brown eyes, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if an occasional albino doberman would do the same. Some people insist on forgetting that albino dobermans are PARTIAL albinos, not complete albinos. They do have some residual pigment formation. Therefore, it would be quite unsurprising if some of that pigment builds up as the dog gets older.
yes over time coloration of sorts builds up to a slight degree but you won't be seeing a 'white' Doberman with brown eyes - I mean like their non-albino parent's brown eyes, and with the rust/tan markings of the non-albino parent. If it were a matter of color, then you would see that from puppy-hood. Dark eyes, white base coat and rust markings - the dark eyes and rust markings would be of a sort that would be seen on the non-albino parent or what s/he carried.. not some faded out semi-existant build up as of later. White dog with rust markings and dark brown eyes or black dog with china blue eyes and snow white markings - the eyes and markings on the same par as the 'white' parent's but with the solid black coat of the non-albino parent - that is what color inheritance is about - but we aren't seeing color inheritance but albinisms affect upon pigmentation. I finally have a little 'color' to my skin, along with the cancerous lessions! hahaha
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I missed your comment about brown eyes last night. Yes, in fact, human albinos are well known for occasionally developing brown eyes. Once again, your obvious lack of knowledge betrays you.
From the National Organization for Albinism and Hypopigmentation --
"A common myth is that by definition people with albinism have red eyes. In fact there are different types of albinism, and the amount of pigment in the eyes varies. Although some individuals with albinism have reddish or violet eyes, most have blue eyes. Some have hazel or brown eyes."
-- http://www.albinism.org/publications/what_is_albinism.html
From the International Albinism Center --
"Iris color is usually blue/gray or light brown (Diagram 1). It is a common notion that people with albinism must have red eyes, but in fact the color of the iris varies from a dull gray to blue to brown. (A brown iris is common in ethnic groups with darker pigmentation.)"
-- http://albinism.med.umn.edu/facts.htm
Come back when you can do more than expose your own ignorance, okay??
that last link is one of the ones I like the most as it goes into some information about the various kinds of albinisms and how there are those where 'color' of sorts can develop and that there are indeed albinos that have some degree of coloration that follows specific sorts of patterns - this is helpful in diagnosis of the situation as well as for knowing what to expect and how to work with various aspects of the problems associated with the albinistic traits.
I can't believe anyone is stupid enough to have considered that garbage Rector/whatever put out as anything but the 'trying to sell a puppy' garbage that it is! haha Gosh, it is like going to a site written by a used car salesman talking up the attributes of saw dust in the drive train or something! hahaha But there are plenty of examples to back up P.T. Barnum's theory of human intelligence, huh? hahaha
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OMG, she posted that idiotic crap that albino greeder Rector/or whatever her name is now, had posted eons ago! hahahahahha I can't stop laughing!!! bhwhahahahaha God s/he/it is stupider than imaginable!! 'latest studies' bwhahahahhaa
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