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4 Game win streak is a real possibility

by Outland

Hopefully it will be.

The next 3 opponents are not that good. That's not saying that the Flyers are but if there ever was a real chance to get this thing turned around this is it. The Canes, NYI and NYR are very beatable teams and the Flyers might have a golden opportunity being presented to them.

16-18-2 today can become 19-18-2 heading into the New Year. That's not a great record but when they've played this poorly and can still say they are still in the hunt for a playoff berth it's almost a miracle. Thank heavens for the widespread mediocrity in the NHL and that great start they got off too that has done wonders to make their death spiraling swoon a lot more 'tolerable'. happy.gif



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Carter/Hartnell Rumor

by Tim55

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Philly-media-reports-on-Flyers-infidelity-rumors;_ylt=ApiEZCN1o1jB0mfdAy6Jgih7vLYF?urn=nhl,210756




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Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays to Everyone

by Outland

Even to you Paulwinkle wink.gif

I hope that you've all been real good so Santa Claus will leave you something special. I hear that those who have been bad will be getting something 'special' as well. I can't wait to see what that will be!

May your days be merry and bright. (Bing who???)


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Happy World Juniors

by Sedsey

Geez, I thought I was going to have to rush my mother off to the hospital this afternoon, but the crisis seems to be borne of bad food and not life threatening. We consulted the health line for advice to be sure.

My father was told last week what we already knew. He's never getting off artificial ventilation or walking again. His remaining life will be in a hospital/nursing home.

So, we're off there tomorrow for some kind of Xmas meeting. Not much to celebrate but what the hell, we'll give it a go!

So, hopefully everybody I know will stay alive and such...heh heh...that goes for everybody here and their families too. Just make sure to stay alive. Nobody will likely not be on board with that plan...? It isn't too much to ask, I hope!

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Glad to hear your father is still around..

by The Freak

from your earlier post, I didn't expect him to make it to Christmas. Cherish what time is left, bro....these are the days you will remember for years. make the most of it.

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Best to you!

by WCF

Seds, I hope your Christmas get togther with your folks goes well. I am in a similar situation with both parents being 83 and my mom in failing health. You and I have had our differences over the years, but that is old history and although this is only a message board, I have come to respect you and enjoy your insightful postings.

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Mixed news for sure

by Outland

Good to hear that your mom is fine but that's just terrible about your dad. I hope you really can make the most of it and have some kind of Christmas cheer. There's never a good time for that kind of stuff to happen but when it occurs during a time when things are supposd to be festive and warm and cheery it just seems to make it worse.

I feel for ya bud. I've tasted the bitter nectars during a Christmas time and do commiserate.


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Same to you!

by WCF

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours, Outs. As usual, you are classy with a capital C in every way.

My best wishes also go to all our fellow posters here at our Flyers cyber home!

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Non-hockey post. Micheal Vick makes me sick sometimes.

by faithfullyflyers

Just when you think he might be sincere in his attempts to make up for killing all those helpless animals he goes and says something completely phucking stupid!

Yesterday, the Eagles announced that they had voted the annual team award to backup quarterback Michael Vick. Here's what Vick had to say: "I've had to overcome a lot, probably more than one single individual can handle or can bear. You take a look at what I've been through, you ask certain people to walk in my shoes, they probably couldn't do it. Probably 95 percent of the people in this world - because nobody had to endure what I've been through, situations I've been put in, situations I've placed myself in."

Dude just what the phuck have you been through that was so mind boggling. And while we are on the subject of MOST people, most people would not torture and kill helpless and defenseless animals like you did. Your compassion for yourself and the empathy you feel for yourself might have meant a little more if you were talking about the dogs you slaughtered!! You phucking got what you deserved you classless piece of sh-it!!!

fff

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He has come a long way from being in a jail cell.....

by TimZ

but I don't think he overcame anything, he has had a ton of grace given to him and should just be thankfull for that.

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those words

by Pelle31

he spoke certainly didn't seem like he was too sincere ....still sounds like he has more pity for himself than those animals....

this is also a disgrace of the Philly media and team that has given him every chance and gave him an award like this where he really didn't deserve it.....sorta like the the dogs didn't deserve to be owned by a sick POS like MV....

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Exactly.

by faithfullyflyers

Just what the phuck were they thinking giving Vick that award? I mean it's not like he did anything to deserve it. Are all the players and coaches so phucking clued out in that dressing room that they think he is some kind of victim or something. Maybe I am missing something, lets go back and see if I am.

He tortured and killed helpless dogs that were of no use to him anymore. He didn't just kill them he took pleasure in it. Then he lied his ass off about it to the media, to his employer and to the authorities. He got arrested had his day in court. Got sentenced. Got fired. Lost his paycheck (yes it was a huge paycheck)because he didn't live up to the contract that he signed and he lied to a guy who would have done almost anything for him. He serves his time. Gets out. Works out a bankruptcy plan to satisfy his creditors and the courts. Signs a new contract with the Eagles for a minuscule 1.5 mil per yr(poor bast_ard I don`t know how the hell he over came that, whew!) Now after almost every player in the league has finished sucking his di-ck in the media he gets an award for COURAGE. Some of the other teams Courage award winners were totally humble in the acceptance of the award guys who actually deserved it. Not Vick `damn straight I deserve it do you know what I`ve been through, 95% of you could not go through what I went through` Jesus Christ does he even know how stupid that sounds what a waste of skin.

I must be from outer space cause this I just don`t get.

fff

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Character win?

by faithfullyflyers

They looked sloppy doing it but they did come back in the 3rd to score 3 to win. Either way they now have something to build on or do they figure that is enough for now and they can take a break. I really hope for their sake they build on it after the x-mas break.

fff

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I think a fortunate win

by Outland

A character win if they had to come from behind and get the 2 points but they lost a 2 goal lead and I don't think they were holding the upper hand in the action when they scored. They had dominated in the early 3rd but the Bolts were taking control as the period progressed & had some very good chances. They probably blew a couple by making too many passes.

The Flyers were exhilirated beyond measure when scored that winning goal. Good to see that it really meant something. You'd have thought they just won the Stanley Cup. happy.gif


The good - the marginal guys come thru and in a big way. I liked that PL put those grinders back together and stopped trying to get the weaker skilled mixed with the better players. It worked very well.

The questionable - is it just another case of the team clustering it's goals and points? Richards bags 2 but will it be the start of something or will he go back to nothing for a week?

I didn't like the timing of the Laviolette time out. Yeah, they were starting to scramble but after his time out they looked even worse and were playing like they had to be perfect. There is such a thing as overmanaging.


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I also like the line changes.

by faithfullyflyers

Putting Richie, Gagne and Giroux together was a breath of fresh air I like the look of that line. They accounted for 7 pts on the night. I agree that they need to stop mismatching the lines, put the skill guys with the skill guys. Richie gives the line some edge but he also has some skill and Gagne and Giroux provide more skill. We'll see if PL keeps them together.

FLYERS WIN!!!! It has to start somewhere!!!

fff

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Agreed agreed

by Brett

Having a grinder or a power forward mixed in on the top lines only works when it is someone with some skill like Tocchet, Tkachuk, Franzen, Holmstrom, etc. Carcillo will never be confused for anyone on that list. Pyorala is an enigma as to how someone can get so much good ice time with so little results, yet still have skill.

Nice passes don't mean jack when they are passing them to a stick firmly rooted into two slabs of concrete.

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maybe the lines can stick?

by Icer

Those were (absent injured players) what Lava put together for the first few games. Then he had to mix and match to try something. i think what we saw last night really was really what he wants to stick with, and since it worked, they get a few days off with hapopy thoughts, he might get to keep them that way.

And a nice early gift from Tocchet. Imagine the psyche of this team if Nitty had shut them out? And a far better chance he would have had, than that stiff we saw last night. I guess Tocchet figured he'd start his weak golie against a team that can't score. or Not - Smith is still getting most of the starts while Nitty is among league leaders.

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For this team, any win with a 60 minute effort is a win....

by TimZ

we have yet to see that. I'm concerned that even the new coach is looking as lost as the players in all this.

Posted on Dec 24, 2009, 2:12 PM
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They love the smell of raw sewage in the morning .....

by Outland

it smelled like ... VICTORY.

The Flyers win! The Flyers win! The Flyers win!

Brett nails the exact score at 5-2.

Good to see Marty Mason's name. I sure hope you're doing well now Marty. I wasn't around for your original post and saw it well after the fact.

Did I mention V I C T O R Y ??????

Is Tocchet dense or what? He plays Smith all the time and the Flyers beat his ass like they own him. I guess he doesn't have any faith in a guy who would LOVE to whip the Flyers. just won the Stanley Cup.

WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN


Out(the Flyers actually win!)land



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Yay Flyers!!! (nm)

by ABQ Flyer

happy.gif happy.gif happy.gif

Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 10:23 PM
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Yay Brett!!! :-)

by Brettnonymous

Nitty has been great of the Bolts but continues his career path of having a dense coach, weened in the Flyers mentality not giving him a chance.

Perhaps we're seeing the NHL version of major league with the raw sewage this morning. No more towels or hot showers. They've been coddling these guys too much. But they do need to avoid any naked carboard cutouts of Ed Snider, which would motivate no one. Unless of course they put a section ON for every win.

Nice win, now get to work Flyers.

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make it a pre game ritual....

by Pelle31

maybe if they have to smell what they've been playing like it will continue to motivate them.....maybe have it between periods as well

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Told you (nm)

by Brett

nm

Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 10:01 PM
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Hitting the exact score is fun, eh?

by Sedsey

When they went to the net and guys shot the puck, it worked.

Any other time, it didn't.

Seems pretty simple, but they let it slide after 2-0 and it took EXTREME puck luck for them not to get buried. Leighton did his job tonight and had a few posts hit.

So, it was a win but not really an impressive one. When Tampa woke up they controlled everything. Our forwards couldn't do the simple thing and clear the zone.

Anyways, it's nice to win for a change. I hope this doesn't mean they think everything is OK and regress, because I've seen that many times.

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Baby Steps by Dr. Leo Marvin

by Brett

Just getting the first one after the slide is nice, granted it isn't back into the playoff hunt but it is a starting point. As you said, it wasn't an impressive win. But if they can play mediocre, get a win, and (hopefully) realize that they did not play all that well it should be at least a confidence booster. I just hope they do realize they were a couple of posts away from letting this one get away.

If I was PL I would jump all over them as soon as they got into the locker room. Say it was good to get a win but don't even begin to relax because their play did not really reflect the scoreboard. Get home, get some rest, and be ready to go to work tomorrow at practice.

If anything, that should be the new motto of this team. Just do some f'ing work.

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Flyers lose momentum, lose game.

by Philly200

This is how it will most likely end. Now its 2 to 2. They haven't been playing good hockey for the entire game and the power play is pathetic. It is hard to watch.

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They were lucky.

by Philly200

I should do this more often. It seems when I peg them to lose on the forum they don't. Good to see a win, but they still lack chemistry in a serious way. Blind passes and missed passes are killing us. Apparently Holmgren does not want to make a trade at this point because everyone is de-valuing our talented players. I think this is a smart move, but I would also like to have Kovalchuk. I would trade Carter in a heart beat. The guy has no drive.

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THIS IS NUTS!!!

by faithfullyflyers

Betts goes to the net Flyers score. Richards goes to the net Flyers score. Pussy avoids the net like a plague no point for him. Carter avoids the nets no goals for him. GO TO THE NET AND GOOD THINGS WILL HAPPEN!!!!! Oh here we go a stupid penalty if Tampa scores look out. Will the Flyers play 60.

fff

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Well that didn't take long.

by faithfullyflyers

New coach same players same habits. If I am going to trade someone it will be Jeff Carter. He doesn't go to the dirty spots, he doesn't hit, he floats he only uses his speed once in awhile, he has NO chemistry with anyone on the ice and he is LAZY. HEY PAUL Jeff would be a good place to start.

fff

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messy, but up 2 to 0 (nm )

by Philly200



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Shoot and go to the net

by Sedsey

It started to slip as the period closed. The simple act of taking a shot when available and players going to the net is responsible for the lead.

It seems like an explosion, but my emotional response is still flat at this point, as I always expect some disaster to occur.



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Leighton Starts tonight(nm)

by Philly200



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this is funny

by Pelle31

from the O&B board.....Richards new helmet



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the new helmet worked!!!!!

by Pelle31

Flyers up 2-0 after Richie scores the PP goal

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I smell VICTORY

by Outland

I'm on my way out right now and might miss a good bit of the game but I just wanted to impart some positive vibes.

I'm going to be right one of these days.

V I C T O R Y



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Lets get this team back on track.

by Philly200

I still believe, deep down, that this team could be really good. I want to see them step in the right direction tonight.

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Signs in the snow

by Sedsey

Tampa is coming back for the first game home after a long road trip, which would favour a normal visiting team.

We have a sub-par goalie in net with a team that can't score more than once a game. I don't see victory in that combo.

Powe is back though! My current favorite Flyer, because he works and checks, should help when he is out on the ice, and will be a better option than Carcillo to be rewarded with opportunities.

Pyorala scratched again, which is a sign of progress.

I believe it when I see it. If they play their same crap game I'll be turning it off after watching a few useless shifts. If they try, I'll watch it.

Still waiting for WJC to start...a REAL TEAM...

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My thoughts exactly Outy

by Marty Mason

Tonight we win..need a good positive aura.

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5-2 Flyers (NM)

by Brett

nm

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Flyers practice cancelled due to bad odor coming from locker room

by ABQ Flyer

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/20091223_Flyers_seeking_sweet_smell_of_success.html


Like the article says, it wasn't the Flyers themselves, but a sewer back-up in Tampa, but it still makes for a pretty funny story.

Also, the article points out that they all had a pretty good laugh over it, and this could help to lighten the mood amongst the players, and help to break them out of the "funk" they find themselves in.

Oh, the endless amount of toilet humor that can be used here! wink.gif

Rob

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Well ................

by Outland

I didn't read the whole story thru and is my face red. Here's why:

The other night during the Cats game I experienced a bad TV picture. Or so I thought. The camera had focused in on the Flyer bench and the picture was a bit distorted. It showed the Panther bench and there was no problem. Back to the Flyers and damned if it wasn't distorted again. When play re-started the picture was clear. My conclusion was the distortion was from the wavy stink lines over the Flyers. When I saw the odor thing today I figured it was just more of the same.

Try to keep this to yourself.


Out(abashed)land

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Nice way to go with that story

by ABQ Flyer

Personally, I was going to ask who sh*t the bricks that clogged the toilet, but your explanation works as well. wink.gif

Rob

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From the For What it's Worth Department

by OutL

After 35 games the high expectation number was for Team Philly to have 46 points. They have 32.

The expectations were that Team Philly wouldn't still have discipline problems because it was said at year start 'if they keep taking their stupid penalties it'll come up & bite them in the ass. Bringing in more guys who live in the penalty box is very risky'. Well, that went south too.

How about this one. Carter belongs on RW with Richards or Giroux in the middle. Heh heh heh. Almost got this one to go but it's back into the middle for big Jeff so he can try and be a one man show. They shouldn't give him any wingers because he doesn't use them very well. It's like it's their job to take care of him. Anyway, keep shooting Crater because it gives guys like Jackson and Clement woodies. They don't care how much you miss or not pass to what looks to be an open man.

Outland's Lines are next !!! A Must read !!! Get some fresh coffe at settle back. CAUTION: Don't be drinking the coffe as you read though. Don't need it coming thru your nose or spit out all over the keyboard.

Soooooo ...........

They've got to get back to most of the skilled players together and let the marginally skilled muckers and grinders play their game and lay it on the enemy. Many players are out of favor this morning but this is it anyway:

Richards - Hartnell - Carter
Giroux - Gagne - Powe
Briere - Carcillo - Kalinski / Laliberte
Betts - Laperriere - Pyorala

I have about as much chance of seeing this happen as a snowball does surving the heat of hell. happy.gif

As always mentioned, Riley Cote should not be on the team, Period. JVR needs to start working a lot harder for him to get ice time & presently is a big weak link in an already weakened chain. Maybe no Pyorala either. The PK has headed south this year with Laperriere & Pyorala doing regular time on it. Go back to using Richards, Carter, Gagne more because they need the work.

D pairs.

I don't like the usage of Timonen and Pronger together on the PK. They have ZERO chemsitry together. Even when together on the PP they look out of sync. 'Promote' Ryan Parent as a stable stay at homer to see if he can take an increased work load. Pronger stays at #1 and no matter how much he makes me mad because he isn't playing his best he still is our best. A defensive minded partner for him unleashes him more for attack. Braydon Coburn becomes the #5 guy to play with Bartulis who also needs to be spelled more often.

Pronger - Parent

Timonen - Carle = This is not a pair I like all that much since I think both are weak in the physical dept in our own end. Still, if Kimmo decides to get it together again it could make for a dynamic puck moving pairing. A work in progress here.

Coburn - Bartulis /????. Braydon Coburn needs to regroup and if cutting his ice time and making him be more specialized is the answer so be it. Bottom line is he's playing for his next contract and from what I've seen he's not going to get it here unless he gets better real fast. Why keep him playing as a key D guy if he won't be that for you later?

Goaltending. While it's been pretty good, it's still not good enough for what we need IF we make it to the next round. Emery is getting some pardons for his injury but he wasn't all that impressive or consistent before it happened. Boooooosh has always been hot and cold with no real in between. Leighton? Backlund? Graham? Sigh.


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would you trade Richards?

by Pelle31

according to reports he doesn't have a no trade clause until later in his deal soooo would we be wise to move him?

could we move Richards and Carter? not resign Gagne after the year?

If after we go through this 6 game stretch during the freeze and nothing changes I think you really consider it.....it would be a major shakeup and if you eliminate those three guys you free up cap space....over $15 million worth of space.....trade them for prospects or picks...I really wouldn't care....I can't stand to watch this kind of hockey...it has to change....I'd much rather watch a team full of Carcillo's than the one I see now...



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No one on this team should be safe.

by Loki

Me. Mister Positive has had enough. Bobby Clarke Junior plays more like Bobby Brown, but even Bobby Brown got more physical than this team does.

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It's only December

by Anonymous

Mr. Unrealistic finally giving up on what has proved to be the WORST team in hockey? About time. They have been a bad team since after last year's All Star break and the only way to change things is having a complete fire sale after this season because they will not get much value for players who can't learn, are heartless and most of all, are very OVERRATED.

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You're crazy

by Loki

The team has plenty of talent. Unrealistic? They were good enough to go to the conference finals two years ago and played Pittsburg as tough as any other team in the playoffs last season.

The problem is that they have gotten comfortable, for some reason, and need to be yanked from that zone. A nice big trade could do that.

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One month ago

by Icer

they were leading the league in scoring while playing a non-system, undisciplined game with strange line combinations.

Doesn't happen without talent.

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My thoughts exactly

by ABQ Flyer

The talent is there. Right now, the gray matter isn't.

Rob

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As always, I'd trade anybody if the proce was met BUT ...

by Outland

If the question is just about dumping off Richards, Carter and Gagne because people are unhappy and it's about starting over than my answer is a resounding no. I don't think this needs to be blown up. Call me naive. Call me a screwball. I just don't believe it's time to make a huge mistake by panicking or dealing from such a weak position. Besides, if you trade money away you'll be taking mnoney back. That's the way of it in this cap league. The guy trading more money usually loses his own picks just like we did with Upshall.

Yes, some changes need to be made. Some can be made with the same personnel. No, I'm not real happy with the ones already made and not made. For one, I don't think the lines are right. I'm not one of those who thinks blending marginal players with your best skilled group is a good idea. It's to add some grit you say? It's to reward harder work and play? Great! BUT what does that do to get goals when those marginal guys named Laperriere, Carcillo and Asham stone hand things & keep blowing great chances? Want added grit? Then go get another guy like Mike Knuble who had given you some skill to go with a work ethic & lockerroom leadership. Yeah, go get another guy that has some decent skill but works hard.

The balance of the tough / hard top 6 forwards has shifted south in a big way. At one time we had more guys who would hit and work than we did softees. Not any more. Gone are Knuble and Lupul. Say what you will about Lupul but he was a far cry tougher on the boatds and in the corners than both JVR and Giroux. JVR. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And he's not even counted in the top 6 yet. That leaves Richards and Hartnell as your tougher forwards and that's just not enough. IMO, Giroux & Briere are crafty waterbugs but are just too small to do any of the fierce work on a regular basis. Jeff Carter is a disappointment for a guy his size. Gagne is Gagne and that means soft. Very few (if any)of the top teams around the league has that kind of soft demeanor ratio in it's top 6 forward group.

It all falls back into the lap of one Paul Holmgren who I hope is on a red hot seat right now. His head has been called for by many and one of the biggest reasons before his pal Stevens got the axe (FINALLY!)was it's his team and his coach. Funny, but all of that is STILL relevant. He's also the guy who brought in a brand spanking new coach with a brand spanking new system in mid year instead of going the interim route and with him at the helm. Instead of tweaking and tuning he panicked and went whole hog berserk. When he should have fired the wooden indian he didn't. When he shouldn't have gone nuts he did. The guy is a sham as a GM.

When is it too late? I'll borrow and bastardize a Hartnell quote and say it's still early enough to get out of the present hole (that oddly has grave-like dimensions) and they can make the playoffs and be ready in round 2. We aren't a dozen points out and until we are at that point with less than 40 games left I won't deal off to the guys looking to make a robbery and not a trade.


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The guy is a sham as a GM.

by Anonymous

Yes he is, he is COMPLETELY responsible for not blending the right players, giving all the draft picks away, AND doing insane contracts which sold away any hope for real change in the near and distant future.

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Watching how cletus GM's reminds me of .....

by Outland

that Weird Science movie. You know, the one where the 2 guys put bras on their heads and try to make great things happen? Yep. That's Homer and his brain trust.

Didn't see the movie? The 2 guys want their dream woman to materialize and she arrives in all her glory. How does Homer do? Well, he just gets pussies. Look. Make of that what you want. I'm not responsible for what my fingers do on this keyboard or what you people think.

And a word of warning. The Sham Wow commercial with Vince is not about Paul Holmgren and his reign of folly in Philly.


I have to go. They're looking for me.


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very good post

by Icer

People seem to forget that this (mostly) same collection of players has had decent playoff runs, and even started the season well - and as many here have railed for years - in SPITE of their coach! So why now has it turned so rapidly, so drastically?

Teams go through slumps. All of them. They get out of slumps. But after a cpuple of years of everybody being friends, and no accountability, they have lost the ability to fight their way out of a slump. Yes, we are still being hurt by the ex-coach. And that goes right back to Homer not being able to see the flaws in a guy he was too close to, and waiting far roo long, then putting the new coach in an impossible situation.

You are right, this is a good team that can make the playoffs. I don't like shake up trades, the shaking team ALWAYS loses. But if this continues, they might have to, just to change SOMETHING.

I don't get why they won't change the captain. There's a shake up without losing a trade.

and no one will take Richards' contract anyway.

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Bill Meltzer pulls no punches... "Flyers numb to losing"

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http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-Meltzer/Meltzers-Musings-Numb-to-losing/45/25072


Pretty good read.

Rob

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can't argue any of that

by Icer

can't trade him, matbe they should flat out cut Hartnell, the poster boy for "who cares"

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For what it's worth... Ek talks Flyers rumors. A GOALIE!

by ABQ Flyer

Flyers Rumors

I am hearing several goalie names being thrown around today, and it is my sense that the Flyers are about to pull the trigger on a goalie move. I am hearing Biron, Ellis, and Manny Fernandez all as possibilities. This is purely my speculation, but I would not at all be surprised if one of those three is between the pipes for the Flyers when you watch the Winter Classic on New Year's Day.

Understand, that this is absolutely not a knock on, or even about Brian Boucher. He has played very admirably, and can't be faulted for much...if anything.

The simple fact remains. After you try changing the coach, the next best way to change team dynamic is in goal. A new goalie can give everyone a lift and can help a team play with a new confidence. A team with confidence in their goalie is a different team entirely. Scoring can return from nowhere. Ask the people of Ottawa.

Speaking of which...There are some around the Flyers that are definitely, though quietly, starting to resent the fact that Ray Emery played hurt for two weeks without telling anyone. It really in many ways has screwed this team up. I don't know any other way to put it.

Emery was phenomenal early. The Flyers were confident. His play slowly diminished once he got injured, and the team's confidence slowly followed suit. "If a player is injured he has to say something," one team exec said to me. Now Emery is recovering from surgery and who knows how worse or how much longer that recovery will take then if he had just spoken up and rested?


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Interesting comments regarding the Emery situation.

Rob




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They need to trade for Ty Conklin

by Pitts

He's played in every winter classic ever played!

In goal for Edmonton in the 1st one, Pittsburgh for the 2nd, Detroit for the 3rd...next?

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But, seriously, if they are truly interested in a goalie, the best one out there is Halak, not any of the washed-up junk Eklund mentions.

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please stop

by Icer

quoting Ek. Has he EVER been right? At least this time he admits it's "purely his speculation"

REally - the best way to shake up a team and get them scoring is to bring in Biron? If he even knew hockey he might get a trade right by accident.

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Admit it Icer...

by ABQ Flyer

It does sound like something dumbass Holmgren would do. wink.gif


I think the goalie speculation comes from Boucher getting hurt last night. It reeks of panic, and the Flyers aren't exactly on solid ground right now.

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see, that's the problem

by Icer

guys like Ek try to make a name for themselves by making stuff up, it gets spread around the internet, and then becomes "something Holmgren would do", just because it get repeated so often.

It reeks of panic? Holmgren isn't panicing. Pretty much the opposite. He's sitting on his hands when he shouldn't be.

Holmgren has never shown that he would make panic moves. He's made some bizarre moves, but they'v all been done with the long term in mind. To his detriment.



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No goalie in history could succeed

by Sedsey

When you have to have a GAA of under 1 to allow your popgun offense to get the one goal they are capable of to win every game 1-0, what goalie could help?

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Hasek in his day

by Pelle31

is the only one i can think of.....to trade for a goalie now is ridiculous....especially since our assets are limited....

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Cechmanek scenario re-visited

by Land of O

Only thing missing is the goalie going off on them for non support. Makes ya wonder what would happen if Ray Emery wasn't on the sidelines right now.

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maybe it would help?

by Icer

Chemo was RIGHT. And for that, he got pucks shot at his head in practice and run out of town.

Maybe it's better that Emery's hurt now.

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zzzzzz

by An Observer

Here we go again with another knee-jerk reaction by Flyers Management. Fire the coach. Get a new goalie. Bring in a washed-up high priced defenseman. And on and on it goes. Maybe one day, the Flyers will have NEW management in place that will put a team together that has chemistry. A young, hardworking team that realizes what it takes to win and gives it their all. In every game. A team that the fans can take pride in, win or lose.

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New Management

by Anonymous

Not in the near future because from what I know, old man Snider is nowhere near tha grave, he's sitting on the deck of his beachhouse in Malibu with
his new 25 year old skank.

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One major shout out for last night

by Icer

Laperriere knew what was conming, and took off his shield exposing 100 stitches and a broken face so he could stand up to Florida's blatant goon plan. 3 fights, all of which resulted in more yawns from the teammates he was trying to inspire.

I think I know where the "C" needs to go.

Honorable mentions to Carcillo for playing hard and as well as possible with his limitations (like no skill) and keeping it under control. And another to Giroux, who is one of the few who still seems interested in playing, sticking his nose in with guys twice his size (pretty much the whole league), and still making great passes to guys who waste them. And the ice girls. No, I meant the ones who come out during commercial breaks, not the ones who come out between breaks.

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Holmgren Urges Team To Stick Together

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By Tim Panaccio
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Tough to say which was longer in the Flyers dressing room.

The length of general managers Paul Holmgrens trench coat, or the frown upon his face after another loss on home ice, this one, a 4-1 humiliation against Florida.

They expect better just like we all do, Holmgren said. Obviously, things are sliding down hill. We just need to stick together through this. The only way were going to get out of it is to work together.

Florida is a good team. They were on top of their game tonight. I didnt think we played nearly as well as we need to win a game in the National Hockey League right now. We got to figure it out.

Holmgren promised a meeting with the players. Players did meet very late after the game before leaving for Tampa Bay, but it wasnt clear whether Holmgren was part of that discussion.

He insisted he still likes the makeup of this Flyers club despite a 3-13-1 record since that ill-fated West Coast trip in November.

Is there one ingredient the Flyers are lacking that could unite this group?

I look at our team and were having a hard time scoring goals right now, Holmgren replied. I look at our roster and wonder, why? Guys are fighting right now. Even our good players, who were fighting things tonight, guys that can make plays and score goals, were throwing the puck away a lot of times with five foot passes right there and were not making it. When it gets like that, its difficult. You got to take a step back and look at things and then go back to work.

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What else can he say? He's made his hollow threats in the past and he still holds onto a losing hand far to long. In short, Holmgren's ideas and concepts have been pretty foolish if not antiquated. Florida is a good team ???? Maybe better than your troops Paulwinkle but they are NOT that good of a team. The good teams aren't mired in the pack of teams fighting for the very last playoff berth.

So what is the problem? Name players we have. Richards, Carter, Briere, Pronger, Timonen, Gagne. Even a guy like block head Hartnell can be mentioned among them. After that? The rest of the roster isn't all that good. It's pretty cheap though. Some guys aren't all that good and make too much. In Holmgren's world, once good means ALWAYS good & that's not a good thing.

I still believe (idiot that I am) they will recover out of this & turn it around but maybe I'm just being totally naive. (not pronounced nave Dan, NYE-EVE)


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no doubt....

by dan line

the WILL recover, but to what degree? Will they recover enough to make the playoffs, I think so. Will they recover enough to get a home series, not likely. Will the new season (the Playoffs), bring a change perhaps.

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Re: no doubt....

by Anonymous


Yea, boys..."stick together"...have some more hot tub parties and bang your teammates wife...lets
have a really close (f)ucking team, eh?

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whoa there...

by dl

last time I checked they had a decent year last year. And then the early part of the season was very good then...... This party stuff happened what 6 weeks ago? And then the slump began? What investigative reporter are you talking to?

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I think so too

by Outland

I think the playoffs will be made and agree that any home ice is not happenin'. Naturally, it's probably the foolish tack to take right now & goes against any conventional wisdom but I still think they just have too much 'talent' (can't believe I still write that) for it to get much worse. Blue skies, greener pastures, non train tunnel light is all "out" there somewhere. hehehehe.

A little while back (after the Pens dismantled them), I said that they had arrived at the village of Rock Bottom. My newly made ex cuse for that this morning is that I wasn't aware that it was Upper Rock Bottom with Lower Rock Bottom and Rock Bottom Falls being further down the road. Pretty close to Frostbite Falls from what I hear.

Stranger things have happened in this game. We've seen some mediocre teams get hot in the playoffs and end up winning a title they had no business of winning. Making the playoffs is the key of course but I still like our chances. Hell, I still like some of the players but some changes really do need to be made. I think Richards should dump the C too. It's like an albatross around his neck and really seems to be affecting him in a very negative way.


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Recovery dreams lead only to fan frustration

by Anonymous

It creates the situation where the disgusted fan decides that "maybe tonight will be the one" and you sit down hoping beyond all hope to just see some competition, which is a sad enough point to have to begin at. Then, it turns out to be yet another night of Team Fag and the anger kicks in. You feel like your time was wasted. You start wondering what you bother tying your emotions up in somebody else's life is worth anyways. You start to hate watching hockey itself.

I highly doubt they will beat Tampa. Even when things are going well and they are playing poorly, the one game seems to go in their favour. That is at the best of our times. Now, at the worst, I just don't see the mental makeup to go with the paper roster that should be a top team. Why would it ever change?

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Remaining drama for the "Flyers" season

by Sedsey

1) When does the GM get fired? Who replaces him?

2) Who gets traded, and is the return adequate? (I'd be going for prospects and picks)

3) What lottery pick will Anaheim end up with? First overall or second...

4) Does NBC cancel the "Winter Classic" after watching Team Fag float around in what is a lock to be so boring it won't be worth getting out of bed for.

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Hmmmmmmm

by Outland

1. Not soon enough. Maybe Colin Campbell gets the call again. Heh heh heh. Ron Hextall is just an asst.GM these days. happy.gif Then there's the problem with the coach. A new GM might want his own man. Make Laviolette GM and coach Gawd, I crack myself up sometimes happy.gif happy.gif

2. Too many no trade, no move contracts on players who ya might want to deal and that's a problem. Wonder what idiots made that happen? Anyway, it seems in this day and age if you deal away money you need to take back money.

3. I think the Flyers will improve to the point that it won't be that or lottery. Then again, that could depend on what happens in #1 and #2.

4. I'm going to watch the Mummers Parade on New Years Day. I've done it for countless years and will do it again. I might record the game. The NHL and Flyers (dis)organization didn't do it any favors with this Witless Classic thing.

Snider really needs to find Holmgren a job he's more suited for. Shepherd, piss boy or cleaning up the doody of small animals at pet stores quickly come to mind.

Watch who Kimmo Timonen lays the body on. IF he lays it on. Almost every solid hit I've ever seen from him has featured a flower child player on the recieving end. I've yet to see him take a good run at a guy who wouldn't like it & let him know it. By the way, what did he ever do to get back at Kunitz?


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nice try,

by Icer

1. Fire stepson #2? Only if #1 wants to come back. "Daddy, can I play with your team again?"

2. Good luck, too many no trades. Though it's so bad, guys might be willing to waive them just to get out of town. Especially if the new wooden indian decides to finally sit a few. And forget about getting value. At this point, I'd go for draft picks, rebuild a nucleus around Giroux. But that's part of the problem now - no real vets leading the toddlers.

3. Thanks for raising my blood pressure. I hate you.

4. It won't be boring. Sad, maybe. And the league won't let the coach sit his "stars". Fine. I WANT them embarrassed on national TV. I probably won't be watching, we'll be out on the lake having our own 2nd annual family winter classic. I feel bad for my friends who lost the lottery and ended up with tickets.


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Not all that dramatic

by ABQ Flyer

1) Homer stays through the end of this season. Who knows what happens after that.

2) Probably see something minor happen. The Flyers will ride this out.

3) The Flyers pick that went to Anaheim will not be a top 10 pick.

4) No. Even if the Flyers stink up the place, it'll still be the most exciting game on TV New Year's Day (including the ten thousand bogus bowl games that will be shown).


Rob


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Remaining drama for the "Flyers" season

by Sedsey

1) When does the GM get fired? Who replaces him?

2) Who gets traded, and is the return adequate? (I'd be going for prospects and picks)

3) What lottery pick will Anaheim end up with? First overall or second...

4) Does NBC cancel the "Winter Classic" after watching Team Fag float around in what is a lock to be so boring it won't be worth getting out of bed for.

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Team Fag loses again

by Sedsey

I wasn't watching it, but I turned to check at one point and I saw 4-0. I had to laugh. I mean, you couldn't even suck this badly if you tried, but yet they do.

I tuned in once more just in time to see the aftermath of Coburn's goal. I can't believe people in the building stood and cheered for it. Suckers. It's not about supporting the team when the team doesn't deserve your support.

It worked! I stopped watching and now I'm sitting here without blind rage. To the contrary, and perhaps vengefully, I am laughing at their incompetence and hoping they continue to lose.

I wouldn't blame anybody for ditching on lifetime affiliation to the team at this stage, though I myself can't do that. I do however have no support left for this team or most of its players. Powe I like. hmmm...getting hard already to find another name...can't do it, actually. It's obvious that every guy here from the last several years of heartless and limpwristed play has to go, and that Homer has handcuffed himself from doing it. Pussy, GagMe, Floater, Bitchards, Timonen, Rugburn, Rented Mule...those are the culprits for the complete disgrace of the franchise. Until they go, it's not getting better.

One thing we might count on is their obvious selfishness and "me first" attitudes. We might get some guys to waive clauses (clauses that should be outlawed from any future dealings) by appealing to their selfishness. Tell them we're trading them for a chance to win.

Nobody will want Mirror, Mirror's contract though. Or Bitchards. Or Pussy's. Or Rented Mule's. So that means we might be able to move Floater and GagMe, realistically.

I'm prepared to accept a complete roster makeover with less "talent" as long as it is a team that works hard. That means young guys with low salaries and grinder types desperate to make and stay in the league. Not tanking, mind you. I won't accept that at all. The bottom line is guys with passion that try, to slowly restore some pride to the organization that has completely lost it.

Homer has to be fired now. He made this mess, and now we are stuck at the dead end. He brought in Mirror, Mirror to put us towards a Cup but he is all talk and I guess I have to admit that the people that hated the trade were right. This team is laughably far from contention. On paper, it should be different, but paper burns under heat.

The worst team in the league. By far. Blow it up.

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They've got to make changes

by Outland

I don't care if they don't make wholesale trades but please make some changes. You just can't keep sending out the same idiots shift after shift and expect good things. Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same things over and over and expecting different results? Laviolette and Holmgren have to sit a few guys down and bring in some hungry Phantoms who aren't part of this malaise and let them just play hockey.

After witnessing yet another tragic comedy from these limp wristed players I'd put Hartnell, JVR and Briere down and let Phantoms play in their stead. All 3 of those guys hurt the team. Hartnell by being a cement head. Briere by being a cement head. JVR by not working hard enough. That's what I'd start with and there are a couple more who would be candidates including Chris Pronger & Kimmo Timonen who aren't playing well either.

I'd rather lose because we don't have the talent than lose knowing we do have it and it isn't worth a pot to piss in. Sit guys down and deliver a message. It's the ultimate final shot across their bows before drastic measures take place.


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But are there any guys to do it?

by Sedsey

I'm all for sitting Rented Mule, Pussy, and VanRim, as well as Mirror, Mirror and Timonen (haven't thought of a derogatory name for him yet)...but who plays?

Nodl? Kalinski? Laliberte? No answers there.

I'd like to see Maroon, Leigin, Marshall, and Bourdon, but there's now way the club will do that, even for a game. It's highly debatable whether any of those guys are ready anyways.

So, I'd start by making PP units out of Carcillo, Asham, and Laperriere. Leaving Party Boy Fags on the bench as much as possible. At least those guys will shoot the ****ing puck.

Homer must die. He made the mess. I won't say he didn't have good intentions, but when every guy you put your faith in turns out to be a selfish, snot-nosed punk with no heart, then what can you do?

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Bodies

by Outland

The old parts is parts and pieces is pieces. Like I said, I'd just as soon lose not having enough talent than lose having it. I'd expect a far better effort from those that are yet to be tainted. There are NO Phantoms I wouldn't consider for the short term.

I watched Laviolette's after game presser and he looked drained. A beaten man. A far cry from the previous fire and brimstone empty threats and nothing but quite answers.



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It wouldn't matter

by Icer

They could call up the Trenton Titans (if they still owned them) and they wouldn't look worse. How about a few more of those brilliant one game college kid tryout contracts. I think I could even put up a better game than the "stars". At least it's collective, so they can get a bulk rate for mailing it in. Send the party boys home til after Christmas. And put coal in their stockings. There's plenty of room in them.

The coach does look toasted. I'm numb myself. What's left to do? Sure a lot of it is the whole confidence/scoring slump thing. Sure, effort on the puck is better (still not good). But like you said, thses guys have NO idea what to do without the puck. Like Al M said after the game - in a season a team goes through 2 weeks of being way better than they really are, and 2 weeks way worse. But this has been a month. How in the world has this team been successful at all for 2 years before this?

Last ditch effort? Puckless Practice (not to be confused with the ball-less games we've been seeing). They're thinking too much about scoring, not enough about postitioning, 2 hours of no pucks might shake them up a bit. Maybe find a Psychologist to run the practice? One with a big stick to whack them upside the head.

Oh - they had a players only meeting after the game! It's all better now!

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Night of the Living Dead .... Part 463

by Outland

Even with the idiot officials giving them 2 gift PP's in the 1st period the Flyers still managed to be incompetant and look like a bunch of sissies.

This is really sickening. I made a special effort to watch a few of these guys without the puck and how they went about their work and it was absolutely pitiful. JVR has no grit whatsoever. He's an embarrassment no matter how much skill he has. I laughed out loud when I heard the idiot jackson say 'Carter throws his weight around' and then really roared when the Cats scored right afterward.

Briefly:

Laviolette is just as big an ass_hole as was Stevens. There STILL IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY and until it happens I spit on the screaming Laviolette who apparently has no bite. Put up or shut up.

F U C K You Cote you worthless sack of sh!t.

F U C K You Holmgren you punchdrunk, brain damaged moron for keeping him & a bunch of the other limp dick players around. I look forward to the day you get fired. It'll make the celebration of the fired Stevens Festival look like a 10 minute coffee break

All hail JVR the new KING of Faeiries. He makes pussy, fruit and fag look like heavy hitters.

Richards is about aa worthless a leader as I've ever seen.

Hartnell can't be traded and I'd offer him a bonus to waive that. Or have him crucified.

Briere and his stick. I'd like to throttle that little bastard and stick a twig up his ass. Cram it past his head.

Pronger has 7 more years. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. F U C K You Snidely! Pay up for your GM's failings!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Kimmo Timonen is afraid of his own shadow. He won't hit anybody unless the guy is one of those nerd types each team seems to have at least one of. WE have half a dozen. Maybe he should hit one of them

There's more but I'm too pissed off. They can come back and win this thing and I don't give a rat's ass because all it will be is another waaaay less than 60 minutes worth of hockey from these cheese dicks.


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Can't argue with one thing

by Sedsey

To say the team is a disgrace is a vast understatement. I'm sure there will be quotes of "we gotta" and "i've never" to fill the papers afterwards...

There is not one guy on this team that I can say I really like. The best any player can do is "I don't hate him", and there are precious few of those.

I just washed my jersey's and they are going into the closet for the year. This season is over.



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See my earlier post

by Greg

I hope this sorry ass team tanks it for the next five years. We need to dump this sack of crap.

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Accountability

by Icer

how hard would it really have been to sit Hartnell after that stupid, Lazy, horribly timed, momentum killing stick penalty? I would have sent his butt to the locker room - told him to shower and go home.

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Where's Mike Singletary when you need him?

by Outland

Briere would have followed after his 4 minute high stick.

It's amazing that Malkin has ONE less minor than Hartnell and Sid Crosby is also in the top 10 (#6) in that category.

Hartnell averages 0.71 minor penalties for every game he's played. Briere's is 0.57

I still wonder how any team that has so many offensive woes can justify carrying all of Asham, Carcillo, Cote, Laperriere, Betts and Pyorala at this time? All named have major problems lighting the lamp & it's not from lack of chances. When the streaky, we all score together top guns go quiet it really becomes a disaster. Is the best solution to put Danny Carcillo on a higher line? And out on the PP on a regular basis? Is it playing Arron Asham with a deft player like Claude Giroux? They put Jeff Carter back at center and his individual play picked up but everybody elses didn't. I feel it shouldn't be about the needs of one player but the needs of the team. I feel he's could be better for the team on a wing playing with a sharp center. They don't. I shrug because I can't do anything else. happy.gif


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line combinations

by Icer

the ridiculous lines trotted out when players were firing on all cylinders might have contributed to the current play. A scorer gets to a scoring position often enough, only to have Asham not notice, he stops going there. Giroux looks for a pass in the slot only to find Pyorala on the boards, he stops looking. Suddenly no one is in scoring postition and puck carriers try to do it all. And confidence goes into negative numbers.

Lava's first few games had lines that made sense. Since then, who knows? I think he's just rolling the dice hoping something sparks. Carcillo on the top line? He's earned it with his effort, not his skill. I would have Lappy, Giroux, and Carcillo getting 20 minutes a night, Carter would get 15, everybody else what's left over, except Hartnell would have 60 - in the press box.


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there lies a major problem

by dl

You mentioned 6 guys that are NOT goal scorers. ADD Nodl to the list alon with Kalinsky who both played many games. Now Add Giroux and Van R. to that list who at least MAY be considered 20 Goal Scorers. Your highest scoring Forward on IR.... A defense that has one offensive threat...two if you count the ONE YEAR of Carle's, and Timo may be Over the Hill. WHERE's THE FIRE POWER? The TALENT of the CORE players is not enough to carry this team. Coupled with bad sub par goaltending and a new coaching staff, should not surprise anyone. They can not do things as individuals and when they learn that, they will play better. What I see is individuals trying to do TOO much. Even Pronger is pressing and really gang...he is legit.

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sorry Rob

by Pelle31

screen locked and I'm going to bed....not going to waste anymore sleep watching this garbage

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Same here

by ABQ Flyer

Screen locked up and said to hell with it.

Have a good one!

Rob

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3rd period

by Sedsey

I'm off it as well...I'm sure it will the typical big press at the last minute, if Team Fag can even manage that...maybe get a goal, then give up the empty netter for another in a long, ridiculously and shamefully long, line of well deserved losses.

GM should be toast for this. No trade can help these fags become men. The whole thing is a mess and there is no recovery. There is no heart, and every player on this team is garbage.

In other news, the fantasy football semis look to be crumbling...I had a 20 pt lead going in with Bradshaw and Tynes to play for the other guy...so of course who counts the TD...Bradshaw...no relief in sports anywhere these days...

...except for the Eagles, and of course I get to watch a real hockey team starting boxing day.

I've been so sick of Team Fag that I actually am starting to hate hockey itself. I am watching a lot less lately and I'm sure it's because of Team Fag. Canada will fire me up again, because I know those guys will care and leave it all on the ice...not in the bars.

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Another game, another chance to fail...

by Sedsey

So are league worst PK is out again, and we have Floater switching with Giroux up top...fine, because he pointed it out when he moved. BUT, that means you HAVE to COVER the other side. He drifts back towards the spot he moved from in the first place and then doesn't cover his point.

On top of that we have a guy standing out front untouched as always, with Chris "Mirror, Mirror" Pronger and whoever not doing a ****ing thing as Horton gets the easy tip-in.

I missed the first few minutes, but otherwise I see the same old ****. A team that should be desperate to win mailing it in. At least Bitchards is throwing some checks.

Another loss coming up...

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This team is horrible

by Greg

And it's not going to change. Even with all of the heavy contracts. These guys just can't get it done.

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True...another carbon copy goal against

by Sedsey

Mirror Mirror is ****ing standing there with his head up his ass yet again as a shrimp from the the other team just stands there and taps it in. A pathetic failure. Scratch him from my Team Canada list as well. Nobody from this team deserves the honour.

Nice stick foul from Made Man Pussy...no accountability.

Now another wasted pico play to come...why Rented Mule is on it I have no idea...

MNF is starting...I'll probably switch to that...all I get from watching Team Fag is an extremely angry mood that carries in my head for hours...I ****ing HATE this team.

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Thanks Hartnell, you useless piece of sh*t (nm)

by ABQ Flyer

sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif

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Listening to the game tonight and hanging out in chat

by ABQ Flyer

Should anyone be interested, see you there.

Rob

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will Richards be a marked man tonight?

by Pelle31

read somewhere that the goon squad has been called up for the Panthers so tonight might be one of those old school games.....

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kind of hope so

by Icer

maybe it will make him angry and wake his butt up!

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I think so.

by faithfullyflyers

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Panthers_to_retaliate_for_Booth_hit.html

Maybe it will be the kind of game to turn things around? At the very least it should be entertaining for a change.

Wonder what will be Colon Campbell's reaction if they do go after Richie considering his son is on the Panthers???

fff

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It will speak volumes

by Icer

There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Florida is planning to run Richards tonight for a hit the league has already determined to be clean and legal. Have they made a phone call to the GM yet? Will the refs be watching every hard breath from the Panthers? Will the Flyers end up on the short end of the PP time? We'll know how the league feels about the Flyers....

If the league is truly serious about reducing unneccessary violence and intent to injure, both of those callups will get game ejections early in the game.

But the bigger question is - how do the Flyers answer the public threats? Do they rip the hinges off? Do they rip heads off? Do they cower in the corner?

Gut check time for a team that seriously needs to show they have any guts. This game could turn the season one way or the other.

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Ilya Kovalchuk for

by Pelle31

Carter, Giroux, and Parent? I know it's EK but would you do it?

myself i'd have to say no.....first I don't want to see JVR or Giroux go on any deals. second it still doesn't solve our problem of getting a player in return who is going to be at the net....we need a net presence because our perimeter pussies won't go in there....

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No..not in a million years...

by The Freak

Carter can score as much as Kovie....

Giroux should be one of the untouchables on the team

Parent is one of the few who uses his body

repeats our previous mistakes of trading youth for older players..yes I know Kovie is still in his mid 20's. but non of our guys would be his age.

He is looking for max money over 10years..do we really need another super long contract at stupid money? 10 years at over 10 million...kills our depth more, and this would just be a stupid trade.

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I agree about the salary part

by Pelle31

Carter isn't the type of player Kovo is....not even close....Carter had one standout year and who knows if he'll ever hit it again...he's a soft player who doesn't use his size enough to take it to the net....

the downside is Carter is our best faceoff center of our top 3....he's been really good lately in the circle...

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"Carter can score as much as Kovie" REALLY???

by faithfullyflyers

One season does not a goal scorer make!!

fff


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options are limited with no trades

by Pelle31

Simon Gagne, Danny Briere, Mike Richards, Scott Hartnell, Kimmo Timonen and Chris Pronger. All of those players have some sort of no-trade or no-movement clause in their contracts.


we also have to wonder if we try and make a deal for now or is this a start of a rebuild....do we make deals for picks?


I think we'll know after this stretch until the trade freeze is over....they must win every game this week . there's no reason we couldn't beat Florida, Tampa, Canes, and Isles.....if they don't get that done you can bet it will get blown up for sure.

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How would he fit under the cap?

by Pitts

He's looking for big bucks and probably at least 5-7 years. So, you bring him in, giving up a boatload only to find he signs somewhere else in the off season? If they do get him signed, how much more cap does he eat up and how much more roster depth does he kill?

That would be an utterly stupid deal to make. But, then again, Holmgren has a track record...

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Shut up already.

by faithfullyflyers

If PH were picking first over all for 5 straight yrs cause our team had no integrity at all, I think he would be able to come up with a Crosby or Malkin! The only reason the Pens are a decent team today is because they tanked it for so long, sh-it I could do that. Your Gm just had to tweak your team full of high draft picks, Holmgren has had to build his team on the fly. That crap you people pull in sh-itsburgh would NOT be tolerated in Philly.

fff

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Screw off, eh?

by Pitts

What the hell is with the attack?

Merry Phucking Christmas to you too ass.

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City of Brotherly love

by Pelle31

Merry Christmas.....wink.gif

it's a sore subject to begin with let alone outsiders commenting....you have to expect that...lol

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I didn't expect it...

by Pitts

My posting name is not "Pierre". I made a valid comment/analysis of a trade rumor. There was nothing derogatory about my post other than the track record remark.

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It's a shot I'd have taken

by ABQ Flyer

And I'm sure I wouldn't have gotten the same response you did.

Rob

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Holmgren did cause this mess

by Pelle31

while there were mixed reviews from the forum here I still give him credit for trying.....he recognized Philly would not settle for being the toilet of the league for a period of time.....

yes the Pens tanked. they also were lucky to suck at the right time while winning a lottery they had no business being in (also created by them tanking to get mario)

none of the Pens Gm's have been that great all of their players that have been any good have been top 5/10 picks....they don't do well otherwise.....Patrick was saved by the fact he made a couple trades that put them over the top....of course it took some Flyers players to get the job done...lol

that being said our Gm's have failed.....BC had every tool available WITHOUT a cap and failed to build a team around Lindros.....heck he couldn't even get a decent goaltender to come in.....PH overpaid for what we have now and is learning (I hope) not to overpay for (Briere) and extend what he thinks is future talent (Richards)....

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No, on second thought NO!!

by Icer

Carter, for all his flaws, is one of the very few who has responded at all to the coaching change. Still a ways to go, but it says to me there's others who should go first.

And if it gets bad, the team gets blown up, vets go for picks, build around Giroux, JVR, Parent, etc.... maybe that should happen before they get too badly infected with Flyeritis.

And Kovy doesn't have the greatest attitude, either.....

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Saw that... dismissed it

by ABQ Flyer

Don't see how that would better us as a team.

Honestly, this sounds like some sort of garbage out of a fantasy league. But then again, that's how this organization has "built teams" over the past 10 years.

Rob

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Oscar Bartulis is a minus 8

by MachoFlyer

Yes folks a minus 8 in just 20 games/ And our so called hockey braintrusts think this guy all the sudden is better than Marshall and Bourdon whom both got rants and raves in preseason

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not to pick

by Pelle31

but is there a plus player on the team in the last 15-20 games?

he may be -8 but he certainly hasn't stood out to me as someone who is a problem.....we have vets on the team right now who have made some boneheaded plays...at least he's a young player who's still cutting his teeth

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and yet

by Icer

he's played better than most of the other D. Bartulis and Parent are the only 2 on the entire team I think have played pretty consistently in this stretch.

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What has he done to show that he is playing well

by MachoFlyer

He is not scoring any points and he is not throwing his body around and clearing the crease. Our defense is bad and he is one of the reasons why. His plus minus tells you he isnt getting the job done and there is no other stat that shows he is. But I like the he is a good positional player and is smart.

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Bartulis is a minus 7 in his last 10 and so is Carle

by MachoFlyer

These are our two worst plus minus defensemen lately. So is Carle playing as good as Bartulis. What numbers do we go by here anymore. This team needs players sat and Bartulis is the first to go for me based on the numbers.

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forget numbers right now

by Icer

they have score a 1/2 a goal in the last 15 games, +/- for defenseman is useless right now!

Like you said, he's been playing smart and well positioned. And, though he's not "throwing his body around" enough for you, he's playing hard and more physical than most. That can't be said about ANY offensive player, and very few of the defensemen.

The team is mired in a serious offensive slump, the core players on the team aren't stepping up, but you think sitting a 3rd line defenseman who's only been on the team for 2 months and is playing hard will help?

Bartulis is NOT the problem. He's never going to be a top player - except ona team where everyone else is playing worse than him.

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Here is one for ya

by MachoFlyer

How about putting a defensemen in the lineup that has talent and then maybe you can run that guy up one of our so called talented dman asses. Maybe Bartulis is not seen as a threat to anyone. That's how it's done in sports and I would like to see what the Phantoms have to offer because to many players on this team and don't deserve to be here.

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Not one D on this team is worth their contract

by Sedsey

They are all soft and weak. To me, the number one problem on this fag team is not goal scoring or goaltending. It's weak and effete D that don't provide **** all in the way of physical play. Not one man among them.

Mirror Mirror is a pitiful disappointment in this regard. "Nasiest player" my ****ing ass.

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had another fun day today in Pitt

by Pelle31

I took my mom to her first Steeler game today and we had seats in the endzone 20 rows up....the winning score was right in front of us...I was happy for her since it was something she has always wanted to do....

the best part was wearing my Flyers hat to the game....got lots of comments and weird looks from folks....."Flyers suck" is all I heard and I either said "that's pretty original" or I said "you e right"....too bad i didn't get to meet my buddy from Braddock...lol

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Terry Crisp...."new coach!"

by Anonymous


Trust me..this is a negotiation that started within the
last 24 hours. Crisp did a great job at Tampa Bay when
they really didn't have much talent.



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Vaporize Hartnell Now

by WCF

Hartnell was 73rd in the league in minor penalities in 2005, #64 in 2006, rose to #6 in 2007 and was the #1 minor penalty leader last year. He is right on pace this year too. Also, that assinine comment that "we are only 25-30 games into the season" is grounds alone to drop kick this ass. He is one of the main cancers of the Party Boy Troika.


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He should be the one

by Sedsey

I don't what you could get for him but at this point I don't really care. Addition by subtraction. If the Party Boys are going to throw the season away we might as well start cutting cancer out and get a guy like Legein some minutes in the bigs.

It'll be either him or Carter when it happens, and of the two it's easy to choose who to keep.

In other news I see Canada will play Sweden in WJC exhibition on TSN2. Boys that are more men than our simps playing for nothing, and I bet there will be more action in 5 minutes than Team Fag can spurt in in 3 games.

In other other news the Eagles get it done, despite some troubles. The D bails out McNabb a few times and Andy Reid for his bad 4th down call. At least they finally put one in on the ground later in the game. They had to win, and they did. Playoffs are a lock, and now it's time to beat out the Cowgirls for the division.

Back to Team Fag. Florida, Tampa, Carolina, and then NYI. That should be 4-0, but knowing them it'll be more like 1-2-1.

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I would have violated the wait til after Christmas rule

by Icer

for that comment alone. I would have traded him for a bag of chipped pucks. You want to get Lava's message across? Trade him NOW, and make it very public that he was traded specifically for making that comment.

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Legein Article, Good read

by Tim55

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=510253&navid=DL|PHI|home

Give this kid a shot,Nodl stinks he will be an AHL career guy.

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What kind of deal does the new coach have? (nm)

by faithfullyflyers

fff

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3 years

by Outland

That's what the Inquirer's Sam Carchidi reported the day PL was hired. There were no details released. I imagine the Flyers are covering what the Canes owed PL on the 5 year deal he signed with them in 2006 and then some.

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Time to start benching people.

by faithfullyflyers

My first choice would be Carter or Hartnell and then anyone caught saying stupid sh-it like "it's only 25-30 games" as Hartnell did. Also I know the rookies can't be the ones to lead but how about a little more fire from Van R, he just seems way to soft on the puck. I was also thinking is it possible for the Flyers to buy out the contract of a player regardless of yrs left on it? Also how does that work against the cap if the player is bought out. I am so sick of hearing players say things like Hartnell said. Your team is in last place or close, your coach has been fired, your new coach is screaming for guys to work harder, your new coach talks about the importance of the points being lost and Hartnell comes out with that stupid phucking comment???????? I would say 'take a seat on the bench for 10 games lets see if your stupid phucking mindset changes'!!

what an unbelievably phucked team.

fff

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Hey, "GREASER FLYER FANS"

by Anonymous


Nice audience. F-ing red neck philly cheese steak warm beer bastards.

Bring back the Goon Squads of the 70's, though they had a collect IQ of
about 85, they were entertaining.

By the way, Eagles suck too

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Bye the way so does your sister!

by faithfullyflyers

TIT.

fff

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Hey Pierre... how your Rams doing this year?

by ABQ Flyer

St. Louis... city of whiney bitches and the biggest bandwagon clowns in the nation!

As usual, I scoff at you!

Rob

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Re: Hey Pierre... how your Rams doing this year?

by Anonymous


Asswipe Rbb...who cares about pro football. The Rams are bad, this is
true..but, we didn't sign Micheal Vick for Christ sake. Nice move,
nice message to the greaseball rednecks of eastern PA and Philly.
Fans? The Cardinals fans are the best in all sports, period, not only in
St. Louis..but, 1/2 of Illinois, 1/2 of Indiana...1/2 of Kentucky, most
of Tennessee and almost all of Arkansas, Oklahoma...is Cardinal country,
most of Kansas even with the Royals in KC, Nebraska..Iowa...oh, Mississippi,
north Louisana...Christ, there are 5 am radio stations in east Texas that
still carry Cardinal games.

Flyers suck. Eagles are immoral and their fans are disgusting. You'd boo
you're own mom..

Go F yourself.

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Awwwww... wassamatta, truth hurt that bad?

by ABQ Flyer

Why don't you go fallate Poo-Holes like the rest of the cretins in St. Louis!

Guess you're happy to over-look that former Rams running back Lawrence Phillips just got sentenced to 31 years in prison? How about Cardinals Keith "Toot" Hernandez and Willie McGee getting caught up in the cocaine scandal of the early 80s? Nah... only Philly has douchbags on their sports teams, right?

The pot calls the kettle black yet again, but that's to be expected from a South County Hoosier!

Rob

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Re: Awwwww... wassamatta, truth hurt that bad?

by Anonymous


Rob,you're an idiot.

One, Pujols is a great citizen...and contributes a lot to the community
and is involved with various charities, including the autistic foundation
of eastern Missouri.

You're a (F)uck stick...ex-south countian, aren't you?

Next, you're RIGHT...about Hernandez, and..what did the Cardinals do? They
traded him within 48 hours after finding out from the FBI..and to New York.
OK, there is common ground here, we both HATE New York...you, Philly, are
just rednecks...and awfully bad fans.

McGee..was NOT involved...remember the polygraph test HE volunteed for
at the request of Whitey?

Cardinal fans are the best, Flyer fans...along with Ranger fans, Red Wing
fans.....Preditor fans...are all the worst. However, you're the dumbest
of those 4

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How naive

by ABQ Flyer

Turning a blind eye to the Poo-Holes bastard children, eh?

Turning a blind eye to a drunken Tony Larussa passing out behind the wheel of his still-running car while stopped at an intersection?

Somehow believing that a "lie detector test" can't be beaten?


I'll make you a deal. When you have something intelligent to bring to the conversation, we'll talk. Until then, enjoy your South County meth lab.

Rob

Posted on Dec 20, 2009, 3:01 PM
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Re: How naive

by Anonymous



Nope, I'll stick to Pujols...he's the real deal. Yes, you're right...
St. Louis media does protect their stars...probably more so than any
city in America..but, it does not take away who Pujols is.

LaRussa, you win. Huge cover-up on top of the fact that the owner of the
bar/resturant where he was that night owns the local AB-Distributorship.

McGee...if you're really from STL...or lived here, you know McGee was a great
player, not the smartest...he was loyal. HE DID REALLY VOLUNTEER the test
and his lawyer at the time said don't do it. This is 1983.

Meth Lab. I'm not there, south county...and, neither are the labs. Thats
Franklin County..next county over, get your geography right. South county
folks just drink Bud Light....and like to fight...for no reason.



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One of the fan posts on the TSN (Canada) article from todays game said.....

by FlyerForumFaithful

There was something allegedly going on as far as a rift between Carter and Hartnell? apparently Carter was fraternizing with Mrs. Hartnell? This was just a thread on the article from a fan ??

That could certainly cause problems!

Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 10:41 PM
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A fan??????

by Anonymous

Please consider the source!!!!!!!

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Thats What I am Saying...Its Not Gospel....It Reminded Me About The .....

by FlyerForumFaithful

Alleged rumor of Lindros and Brindamour's wife...from years back

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Understood

by Anonymous

I just hate tabloid mentality.

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Affair Article

by MH

http://thephillyfour.com/2009/12/affair-has-flyers-locker-room-split/?773b4a10

Not sure how credible this is?

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Same old rumor every team faces

by ABQ Flyer

As I recall, both Adam Oates and Brendan Shanahan were allegedly run out of St. Louis for "doing" Brett Hull's old lady. And has been mentioned in another post, that was a popular rumor when Brind'Amour was traded from Philly.

I actually saw this posted on HockeyBuzz a few days back, and like now, I dismissed it as bunk then.

Rob

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Throw Pronger in...

by Anonymous


Why do you think Pronger was dealt from STL? He was bang'n a wife
of the teammate and is known to suffer, well....not known at the time
but from "Tigerism"....

Edmonton, he was bang'n a female reporter, booted.

Play'n for the Ducks, he had all kinds of fun in southern California...
That is why he left here....his wife hated it. This came from inside
info from a Ducks employee.

Now...this happens a lot...hot tub parties (re: Red Wings-2003 with
Shanahan his wife and the Russian babe....) Shanahan bang'n Janney's wife
in Toronto summertime in the 90's, the deal with the Bruins, 2001 season
split them up......Penguins last year post Cup party and an older players
wife...in her mid 30's bang'n a young..22 year old of the Pens..with
"permission" if you can believe it.




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heard the same thing

by Anonymous

heard this Thursday and found the celebration high five between Carter and Hartnell after Carters goal in the first interesting.

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Re: heard the same thing

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The Pittsburgh hot tub party....the story if true, is a classic.

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Re: heard the same thing

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Most all pro athletes are whore chasers...

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