"The urgency has to increase, and the execution has to be better," Laviolette said. "If we choke ourselves to death trying to do it, that won't help, either, so there's got to be a fine line you walk to realize the importance of a game, but to stay loose enough . . . to compete well."
By Tim Panaccio, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Posted: June 07, 1997
DETROIT Flyers coach Terry Murray yesterday used the one word every athlete fears most to describe what has happened to the team so far in its disastrous performance in the Stanley Cup finals.
He said the Flyers had choked.
``Many teams have been through these problems before,'' the coach said. ``Basically, it is a choking situation for our team right now.''
The remarks came one day after the Flyers' 6-1 loss to the Detroit Red Wings in Game 3, a defeat that put the Flyers only one game away from a humiliating sweep in the Stanley Cup finals. The Red Wings can win the Cup with a victory at Joe Louis Arena tonight.
While several veteran players agreed with Murray, others said they were stung by the remarks.
``Nobody likes to be called that,'' defenseman Eric Desjardins said. ``I don't want to start a big war in the paper, but of course it hurts. It hurts to hear that.''
Murray told reporters that he still believed that the Flyers could turn the series around. But he said that this young club has to know adversity before it can know triumph, and that sometimes, when teams face that adversity, they cave in. He said he had discussed how athletes buckle under pressure with a sports psychologist, Jim Lehr.
``You have to go through adversity,'' Murray said. ``Welcome the problem and battle your way through all that, sort it out, and learn how to win.''
Murray said choking is ``a real sports-psychology term that is used all the time. This is not detrimental or a negative situation for your hockey club. You identify it and work through it.''
FWIW, I thought Murray was right when he said it. The guys were having trouble coping with what was at hand. Laviolette basically says the same thing - if the guys aren't loose they're not going to do as well.
Terry Murray never deserved to lose his job just as Laviolette doesn't deserve to lose his based on his comment. He deserves losing it based on other things.
Posted on Mar 15, 2013, 3:24 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
it will be interesting to see who they bring in. Firebrands are nice, but as Lavy is proving, sometimes they're not what's best for a young team. I know Ryne Sanburg is waiting in the wings to...wait....that's the Phillies.
Posted on Mar 15, 2013, 4:44 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Terry Murray is a guy that can coach a good team, but I don't think he's got what it takes to win a cup. Too conservative. His "choking" comment could well ahve been applied to himself, he was far too passive in that playoff.
Posted on Mar 16, 2013, 2:08 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
This sucks..... The team sucks and normally when I go to the inlaws I like to go take in a practice or two.... Maybe see a game.... The game part isn't happening with my self imposed boycott..... The practice Tice I would go if I wasn't so disgusted..... Hopefully they have a kids tourney or something at Holleydale I can go watch the kids play.... At the very least the radio should be fun to listen to... Lol
Posted on Mar 15, 2013, 7:16 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
4 is still doable but that's not what was hoped. Or needed. Sens lost last night but in a shootout. 1 more point for them. NJ would probably take a tie into OT tomorrow knowing the Flyers lost ground to them and 2 more games are in the books.
Silence reigns in Philly. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in the inner sanctum to hear what is being said and what they are considering. Then again, maybe I wouldn't because it might not be what I'd like to hear.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 12:59 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
They should have dominated the sabres and barely got by..... They had a good chance to jump into the playoffs by sweeping a reeling Devils team..... Games they called must wins and they didn't even show up..... They are just not getting it together at all and are not a lock to beat any team right now... They are not making the playoffs this year nor do I hope they do.... Changes need to be made and it'll take balls to do it.... Gm down needs to go and new blood outside of the Flyer family.... That's how most teams do it that are successful
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 1:48 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
I can't see where Gagne fits into the team's plans beyond this season and, to be blunt, even this one. He shouldn't. PL thinks he played pretty good against Buffalo? Wow. A goal thru a sieve goalie really leaves an impression on a simple mind.
While I'm at it - enough with that French Connection II stuff. That's pathetic. The Sabre French Connection line was a rock solid all star unit. It was awesome. Just because you have 2 has beens and a kid who speak French does not not make them anything more than then the '2 Has Beens and a Kid who can Speak French'line.
Keep thinking trade deadline Simon. Unless they made promises (which they don't keep - see Carter, Heff) or you plan to live in the area anyway I wouldn't be in a hurry to get everything out of storage right now.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 12:08 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Probably because it didn't look like knee to knee at 1st?
I thought Carter caught more lower leg as a trip until they slowed it down. Even the studio guys at intermission said they didn't see it until later. Can there be further penalties? It's possible but since Rinaldo was playing right after that it will probably not be happening.
The Flyers actually needed their D to use their heads more than their brawn last night because they were getting very little backcheck support. They outhit the Devs by a ton last night but left positions they should have maintained to do some of it. Some very bad decisions were made last night and, sadly, there was nothing new about it.
They threw Bryzgalov to the wolves last night and even though there were a couple of goals you wished he had made the save, he did make some saves that had score written all over them. And why did they keep him in and not give the backup some work when it got to 5-1?
Some of the Flyers 'delivering messages' wasn't all kosher. Hartnell was borderline idiot in the 3rd period and where was all that stuff when it might have been better used? Briere could have been busted for a sure fire boarding he got away with. About the only time you saw him too. What was Max Talbot trying to accomplish with 5 seconds left in the game? Yeah, they sure know when to display that fire, don't they?
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 12:33 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Hartnell was pretty idiotic, but towards the end of the game, I was almost hoping to see more out of control stupid hits from more players, only because it would have shown some sense of frustration. Instead, it was just another shoulder shrug.
The D was out of position all night. Might as well make a hit while they're there, it's not like they were going to hurry back anyway. The physicality that was missing was simply stepping up into onrushing devils. They just backed all the way in all night. Guys shouldn't have enough time for a toe drag that big - if you facing them up like you should.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 1:58 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
OK, not JUST the D. This stupid press down low with little skill guys offense pretty much eliminates any backchecking support. And if Lava is telling them their whoel problem is not buying into his system, you can see why the D might want to pinch more.
These defensemen really aren't bad. Timmo, Luke, Coburn, Mesz would be welcome on most teams. Grossman's solid, Gus is up and coming. There's some real weak links after that. Skill and brain wise, they've shown they are far better players. There just doesn't seem to be a defensive system. And the lack of support on the backcheck, huge gaps on the breakout, forwards giving them no breakout options mean no quick outlets. When 2 defensemen are forced to play pucks in their own end that much, mistakes will happen. So yes, the defense has been weak, but I don't think it's the players as much as the team defense.
Same with the offense. G has shown to be one of the best in the league. Remember how many of these guys were talked about league wide as eye-opening rookies and youngsters? Jake is becoming a real force on the ice. Why have guys known for smart play (Coots, Read, Talbot, Gagne...) suddenly become stupid? Last night's game, sure they could have had more jump, but most of their trouble was plain old stupid plays.
So they've got decent skill (not top), they've shown plenty of ability before. But they can't seem to get motivated and they just get dumb and dumber as the season wears on. Gee, who's job is that?
So IF they wise up and dump Lava, you know they will pick a family member. I'd hope at least for Mullen. The only part of this team that looks any good is the PP, which is his job.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 12:21 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
I was posting at the same time you did about lack of backchecking support.
It's not a great D but it's not trash. Would probably look better under a more regimented system that placed more of a premium on defensive responsibility / accountability. Some of these guys just aren't cut out for what PL was trying to accomplish when he had Pronger and Carle on his blueline.
Teams are using the solution to Giroux that Boston employed last year - crowd him, hit him and stay on him and without him having time and space he's been harder pressed to dazzle as much.
What a disaster of a season this is.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 12:51 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Icer.....and I'll go one better and say, From a team stand point, the D is better off than the Goaltending tandem and the OFFENSE.
Yes, I said the OFFENSE !!! I say that because if we all can reflect back to the start of LAST YEAR, many here were wondering with the departure of Carter and Richards and others, who was going to pick up the scoring?
Well we were all surprised at the output of the Rookies and somewhat surprised that Jagr still had something left in the tank, and made a superstar out of Giroux and Hartnall.
So last year was offense FIRST at all costs! It caught up to them as the season wound down, except for that awfully played series with the Pens.
So this year they Loose JVR and Jagr, and are still trying to play offense first. I was pleased what they did Defensively, but concerned about their offensive fire power. Not to pat myself on the back, but I am NOT surprised in the least that this team is struggling. This is NOT a team that can just score at will and outscore their opponents as the Pens may be.
So if PH can shore up the offense, and add a more viable offensive Dman, they can make a good run next year. That's my take and I am sticking to it !!!!!! lol
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 6:50 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Prune the dead branches and then try to shape up what remains. The pruning shouldn't just be the player ranks.
If I had a vote:
Laviolette would be relieved. I think he's earned that
Holmgren is more to blame than Laviolette. Kind of says it all
Briere is pretty much useless and has been for 2 years now. If they can move him they really should
Knuble's tank is empty. I'd try to move him for future considerations or just release him when McGinn comes back
Gagne & Fedotenko are UFA. One or both go. Either one is capable of checking line and PK work. Gagne would need to take a healthy pay cut to get any consideration. Both could also be traded as playoff helpers.
Gervais and/or Foster can easily be replaced by any Phantom or a parking lot cone. They don't break the bank but there were reasons that both were available. We've seen some of those reasons. Gervais has another year left on his deal. Foster is UFA
Buyout Chris Pronger and Ilya Bryzgalov. Pronger can be LTIR but I'd get him off the books and save some cash. Bryz just has too long of a deal that will never pan out. I've said a few times that he could have a good year and still probably be bought off. Right now, he's burned out thanks to the coach and his usually bad goalie handling
Shelley, Walker, Leighton are UFA & should not be resigned. Boooosh is also UFA. He's likely gone too if leaving zero goalies is the goal.
Now you can go to work bucko.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 11:50 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
I remember discussing it here. What happened to that? Was that an edict from above that got done one game and then back to the same old using Ramblers to play a Maserati offense? I have to wonder if there's a disconnect there and why it exists. While solid locker room presences, certainly Knuble and Rusty aren't built for this type of forechecking system. Sistito certainly wasn't. At least Gags still has the legs to play in it but they really need to get the front office and the head coach to be on the same page.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 7:59 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
A couple of years ago, the blame was placed on the "Party Boys," and they were subsequently shipped out.
Oddly enough, one full season and half of a shortened season has gone by, and we're seeing the same uninspired play, and are reading the same talking head quotes about playing well and not getting the job done as when Richards was the captain.
I read the musings "has Lava lost the team?" I think a more honest question would be did he ever have the team?
Something in the organization is terribly wrong... how else do you explain the same bad habits from a different cast of characters? The big question is, can anyone identify this problem?
What has to change organization-wise to help us see players with heart, players who are proud to wear the crest?
Honestly, I think they're a hell of a lot lower now than they were in 06-07, the season regarded at the lowest in franchise history. I say that becase there doesn't appear to be an easy fix... this organization needs a complete overhaul, from top to bottom.
Posted on Mar 13, 2013, 10:01 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
Going into this season, most of us knew this team was not up to snuff on D and had the big question mark over Breezy. It is playing out as I predicted and they simply are not very good in the key areas that win games. On top of all that, I agree with you about Lava and his time here is coming to an end. He is by no means the sole reason they are a lower tier club, but he has a big hand in their lack of preparation and overall disorganized look. Remember, he won a Cup in Carolina and was fired within two years afterward. Same here, he was lucky to be the recipient of the 2010 run, but look at them now.
Paulwinkle as Outs calls him (so appropriate!) is the most accountable because he's the boss, makes many of the decisions and allows Lava to do the same things with meager results. Not sure how this stuff can be fixed because short of a major sweep of coach and GM, they will flounder because the GM has proven that he can't make the right player moves in a physically responsible way.
Lastly, Snidely is the one constant over the 38 year Cup drought, so take it for what you will. He wants to win, but goes about it the wrong way.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 9:30 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Give me a break and yes, I am the most jaundiced because they give me plenty of fodder to work with. I saw this coming in the off season and whatever you think (a Flyer apologist you are in every sense of the word), this team NEVER figured out that a strong defense and g-tending are keys to winning. The last time they figured that out was in 1974-75. Are you telling me you think this team is run and managed like a professional hockey team should be?
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 12:35 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
I figured you would use the spaghetti analogy and once again, you actually think this organization is managed like a first class team should be? Forget about me and look at the facts, they are a giant FAIL when it comes to knowing how to construct a real winner.
Posted on Mar 15, 2013, 7:22 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
He's done a good job with the team and in the last decade has gotten his club to the finals as many times as Lou Lam has gotten the Devils.
That being said, if the Flyers don't make the playoffs, like New Jersey didn't two years ago, I expect Snider to replace Homer. I can tell you right now, though, that you're probably not going to like the alternative. Word is it would likely be Hexy. Another ex-Flyer but one that had a hand in bringing the Cup to LA last season.
Posted on Mar 15, 2013, 2:41 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Haven't seen Zac since the kneeing. What the phuck is with this bunch of losers? NO retribution for that knee on Zac when you know phucking well if it was the other way around Zac would be the first in line for the Devil who did it. Really phucking sad you should ALL donate your paychecks for the month to Zac!! Ilya on his knees before Kovy shot = 3rd goal. Lots of blame so far they all look like sh__it!
Posted on Mar 13, 2013, 8:20 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Some not for publication or interest to a hockey forum, but if you think live music, parties, travel for live music, this, and a bit of sweet that, you'd be on target. heh heh
Music doesn't go on strike. Not too many parties lock me out. I am immersed elsewhere and again my emotions are almost entirely "out" of it. As it goes with emotions, I am not trying not to feel anything. I just don't.
We'll see if they make the playoffs, and from what I see despite some nice players here and there there are too many scrubs on D to overcome the dismantled offensive depth.
Whenever I tune in my favorite is usually Rinaldo. I think Simmonds does well for himself but probably is still inconsistent...I see B. Schenn shows some flashes...good to see Voracek looking like a much needed scorer...Giroux looks overwhelmed...like seeing in some games I look at that the team can play a more physical brand but that takes energy and sometimes I have seen games where it obviously missing, like the first period tonight. I turned it off after for music.
One thing I am proud of. I vowed not to spend one dime on NHL this season and that has been easy to do. They took a half year off. I take a half year off. They may have lost me. At least as I used to be.
Once in my life I feel out of hockey and 1987 drew me back in until this last lockout. I guess something like that will have to happen for me to get excited. Not this year...
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 2:58 AM from IP address 184.108.40.206
So much more to life than a game that really hasn't treated it's fans as well as they treat it. I was sorry to see the fans flock back and fill the arenas but, like you, I wasn't going to be one of them.
You're not missing anything unless you're attracted to train wrecks or plane crashes. There's been plenty of that.
Posted on Mar 14, 2013, 10:45 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
I'm thinking the hamster running on the wheel in Homer's head has been getting plenty of exercise & the next 3 games really play a big part in the thinking. If they have success (get 5 pts & certainly no less than 4) Holmgren will have a week off to tinker. What better time is there for a GM to add to a roster & a coach to work a new player(s) in?
Fall flat and he'll be drawing up a list of names to offer around. He'll be busy either way
Posted on Mar 13, 2013, 12:22 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Should the Norris award be split into 2 parts? And renamed to modernize it? I think so on both counts. Let the top points producing D man win the Bobby Orr award and have the other award (Lidstrom?) award for the guy who actually is a stud shutdown / clampdown blueliner. Some players have the ability to win both but those guys are very few.
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 11:07 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Bryzgalov: If Flyers lose the next two, they are 'done'
POSTED: Tuesday, March 12, 2013, 1:23 PM
Sam Carchidi, Inquirer Staff Writer
Goalie Ilya Bryzgalov said the Flyers are in must-win situations when they face New Jersey on Wednesday and Friday. The Devils are four points ahead of the Flyers and have a game in hand.
"You win both games, and you tied with them and you have a good chance to continue to battle for the playoffs," he said after Tuesday's practice in Voorees, N.J. "You lose both games, you done. You done. That's it. This is it. This is probably reality. You'd be eight points behind ...and not many games to catch up. It would be very, very difficult. It's not going to depned on you (if you lose two), it's going to depend more on other teams than you. That's the importance of these games."
After a very hard 4 games in a row (Sens, NYR, Pens, Bruins) the Flyers next 4 games starting with Buffalo are like manna for a W starving team. A month ago it looked like having the NJD back to back and then TB wasn't any kind of good thing. Still might not be all sunshine and lollipops (just for you Seden! heh heh heh )but circumstances have changed.
Both NJ and TB have fallen on extremely hard times and what was once looking to be a daunting trio of games suddenly isn't so daunting right now. Yeah, that's big talk considering the Flyers record but right now but by any measure those games are very winnable and it could be the big break the Flyers need to really get back into the mix.
NJD = 3-6-1 in their last 10. Might be an arch rival and a team that has dominated the Flyers of late BUT since Brodeur went down and Hedberg has had to play every day the Devils just haven't been very good
TB = 3-7-0 in their last 10. Recent games at Tampa haven't gone very well for the Flyers but the TBL have been in a tight death spiral for a good while now.
Nothing is guaranteed & both NJ and TB are in must win situations themselves but improved chances for Flyer success exist
Out(looking for any possible bright spot way)land
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 10:31 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Big Changes, Huge Disappointment for Flyers - article
Big changes, huge disappointment for Flyers
Sam Donnellon, Daily News Sports Columnist
Posted: Tuesday, March 12, 2013, 1:38 AM
LET'S PLAY "Guess the team."
A trade intended to solidify a key position has been sabotaged by injury, long-range health uncertainty and roster adjustments.
Trading perceived strengths to balance the salary-cap hit of a big acquisition has not exactly panned out, either.
And the pedigreed coach brought in to revive a winning tradition? Well, on most nights he appears as frustrated as the fans sitting behind him.
If this sounds like the 76ers to you, that's because the huge shadow Andrew Bynum's status has cast over this harsh winter has saved the Flyers from the same kind of scrutiny about their attempts to improve, and how those attempts have affected their current outside-looking-in playoff status.
The underwhelming performance of a roster dramatically revamped to cure perceived ills of the past has some asking, "What if the team had just stood pat?"
What if they had not signed Ilya Bryzgalov to a 9-year, $51 million deal 2 summers ago? What if they had not inked Chris Pronger to that long and cap-stifling contract? Would they be in a better place today with Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, James van Riemsdyk and one of the reclaimed bargain-basement goalies making hay in this shortened NHL season? (The Blackhawks have two, including former Flyers netminder Ray Emery.)
"Certainly when we made those big changes 2 years ago it was to address our situation," Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren was saying Monday. "The year after we went to the finals I think we made seven goalie changes in the playoffs."
They did. In-game. It set an ignominious NHL record.
"So we decided the path we needed to take was to try to stabilize that situation with a top-tiered goalie," Holmgren said. "I think so far it's fair to say we've had mixed results. Some nights we need to play better. Some nights he needs to play better. Our team needs to compete better on a nightly basis."
The Flyers are tied for 10th in the Eastern Conference standings, but have played up to three games more than any of the teams ahead of them. Still, given that the team a few points ahead of them, the New Jersey Devils, stood atop the Eastern Conference less than a month ago, their plight is far from hopeless. One of the hottest teams at season's start, New Jersey has lost seven of its last nine to drop to seventh in the conference. Tampa Bay, which the Flyers play after their home-and-home with the Devils, also ran off to a hot start, but now sits near the bottom of the conference.
An optimist notes that the Flyers have yet to put together such a hot streak. A pessimist may respond by saying they have shown no signs of that capability - even when they win. Whether they are blowing 4-1 leads or playing dead after a first-period goal, character is not the first word that comes to mind when discussing this team.
"For some reason, whether we are fragile or what, we don't seem comfortable playing at 0-0 or even 1-0," Holmgren said. "You look at that game against Boston Saturday. As soon as they scored that power-play goal, we became unraveled. We don't seem to be able to gather ourselves up."
Two obvious thoughts follow such a statement. One is about maturity. The other is about coaching.
"I'm sure maturity plays into it," Holmgren said.
Statistically, this is a little hard to prove, since young players like Brayden Schenn, Matt Read and Wayne Simmonds are among the team points leaders, and the midice brain cramps and lack of a consistent sense of urgency along the glass fits no particular age group. Buffalo's second goal Sunday came after no one replaced Danny Briere on a line change. Claude Giroux's sloppy play on the blue line led to another odd-man chance. Schenn's goal-line save to keep the score from being tied moments later was necessary because of another sloppy turnover.
"We still have some young players being put in big situations," Holmgren said. "Some of them are struggling with that, but I think it bodes well for our future."
As for the coach, some believe Peter Laviolette's job was saved by Sunday's victory over the Sabres. I doubt it's that severe.
"I think Peter and our coaches have done a good job," Holmgren said. "I think our team for the most part is well-prepared."
With more time to practice recently, the power play has improved from its dismal start and the penalty kill has as well. But the muffed line change was not an isolated incident - Kimmo Timonen could be seen screaming at someone to jump over the boards as he came off during the Bruins game, for example. They also don't communicate well off the puck, and play tentatively too often, and for long stretches.
"Obviously, 'Lavvy' is an attack-mode coach," Holmgren said. "I think we have the players to fit that. Last summer we talked about changing our approach a little in how we defend our own end, and I think there have been growing pains in doing that. We need for everything to come together. We've seen it in bits and pieces but we need it to be on an every-night level. And that hasn't happened."
Laviolette gets the rest of the season to fix that, I believe. True, Terry Murray, a potential replacement, was fired after 29 games coaching the Kings last season. But that was an 82-game schedule, and new Kings coach Darryl Sutter left Murray's defensive system intact.
Could Murray do that with Lavvy's offense-first system? Hard to imagine.
So the best course of action is to hope the switch clicks in time. It's happened before, most notably when the Flyers reached the finals after eking into the 2010 playoffs. But with what we've seen to this point, that's as hard to imagine as Bynum jamming in a rebound for the Sixers. Or Doug Collins still around to see it.
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 10:18 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
THAT is exactlly why I hope they lose every single game till the end of the season.
It is the ONLY way the buffoons running things will make a change. Kind of makes you wonder what phucking games PH has been watching if he thinks this team is prepared on a nightly basis, that is just phucking laughable.
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 10:41 AM from IP address 184.108.40.206
And for a guy like Paul who rarely has anything negative to say to the press or outside the locker room, that's huge. That's admitting that he believes that on some nights the team ISN'T prepared. That has to serve notice to PL.
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 11:54 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
"So we decided the path we needed to take was to try to stabilize that situation with a top-tiered goalie," Holmgren said. "I think so far it's fair to say we've had mixed results. Some nights we need to play better. Some nights he needs to play better. Our team needs to compete better on a nightly basis."
I don't like the spearation of the goalie from the rest of the team. The all win or lose together. Bryz actually stole a bunch of wins for this team early on, and he is hardly solely to blame for any losses. I can't remember a game (this season) where his complete inability to stop a goal cost the TEAM a game.
Homer is basically saying Bryz has to step up when the team in front of him sucks, but it's also his responsiblity not to suck any other time. Or did I read it wrong? Granted, teh goalie bears more responsiblity than any other player since they are on the ice for the full 60 minutes. But c'mon man.
I'm not a big Bryz fan, but I also think we need to be fair to the guy.
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 11:03 AM from IP address 18.104.22.168
not sure that was intended as an in-game assessment
I think he was describing the trade for a big name goalie. That, I think was the major blunder that has set this team back years, and is hardest to recover from. Not only did it require trading away the goalie who really was the one the team needed, they brought in a pillar of inconsistancy (pillar in a "Jenga" sense). To a team that was already inconsistent. Bryz has played OK, but it's all the intangibles - locker room attitude, distractions, cap hit, inability to make other moves.... All because Snider freaked out. I don't hang that on Homer, he did what he was told.
But I do take exception to the rest of the "what if". There were serious fundamental problems in the Richards/Carter team, mostly related to their personal issues, They HAD to be traded, for their sake and the team's. And Carter's recent streak aside (and he is all about streaks, so this too shall pass), we've gotten far mroe production in return.
JVR? Sure, I'd love to have him here. But if the writer wants to take issue with missing Pronger's crushing crease presence, he has to applaud bringing in Schenn. Besides, JVR was apparently being squashed by Lava's coaching. Coots has apparently taken that job now.
Everything wrong with this team now is mental. Communication, preparation, fortitude, lack of focus. That's all rests with one man.
One would think last year's cup is the perfect example of how to fix this team. A young, talented team that lacked focus and drive. A mid-season coaching changed released the bonds of stifling mis-coaching, the team played to their potential and won a cup. So what are the Flyers taking from this? "Terry Murray's available again!"
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 11:23 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
You touched on something that gets to the core issue of why I think Lava will need to be given his walking papers. He is not a developer of youth, he is not patient and favors the stale old vets who have consistently let this team down. If, and I say, IF, this organeyezation is truly looking to develop the youth they have and bring in more, Lava needs to go. Agreed?
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 1:55 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
I actually thought that it was pretty factual to say they need to have both skaters and goalie on their games at the same time more often. A lot of his other stuff just went in one eye and out the other.
I don't hate Bryz or think he should be a superman because he gets paid waaaaaay too much. That wasn't his fault. I've hated every one of those long deals done by the Flyers with some being more ridiculous than others. The Flyers think they are seers extraordinaire and KNOW what the future will bring and 48 years without a CUP says they're full of sh1t. Yet they don't seem to learn from it.
DISCLOSURE - I equally hate some short deals such as the Timonen 1 year @ 6 mil extension
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 1:25 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Bob - grrrrr - fallout from the massive Bryz mistake. And young enough that he'll be reminding us of it long after Bryz is gone. Not having Bob was the bigger error then having Bryz. Especially since the amnesty clause was added - we can't just dump Bryz, we need to trade away talent for a replacement. And what did we get for Bob?
Posted on Mar 11, 2013, 4:48 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
Both players are not rated very highly at Hockeys Future
Bob came out of nowhere and, though I'm loathe to defend this management group in any way, shape or form, I believe there are more Bobs "out" there to be had. We saw a kid who could really dazzle at times and we also saw a kid who would struggle & get lit up like a christmas tree. When Bob struggled in the playoffs the writing was starting to appear on the wall. Later on, in steps Snidely and things changed in a hurry.
This year, Bryz should have been spelled more. He wasn't. I feel there's absolutely nothing that points to Laviolette using Bob to spell Bryz any more than he did with Boooosh or Leighton. One thing is clear to me and that is without Bryz being as smokin' solid as he was for much of this disaster the team points total could be even lower than it is. PL showed he had so little faith and tolerance in all his goalies that if they didn't sign Bryz as a UFA you can bet they'd have traded for someone else & Bob would get traded anyway before he became a free agent.
I opine that the Flyers thought they would re-sign Biron or get Voloun. It didn't work out and for various reasons. Money? Playing time? Security? Coach? Who knows. It just didn't happen and they got stuck though I doubt they'd ever admit to it. And they were still paying Leighton.
Posted on Mar 12, 2013, 11:22 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Good news citizen! Outland reads nothing into it. I'm happy for Carter and Kid B but the past is the past unless you're Paul Holmgren where the past becomes the present and often the future.
I hated losing Carter but the return for him was very good. Bob had one year left on his deal but I was happy for him being traded as it was going to give him a chance to do what he wanted to do - play hockey. While I thought him a good young kid I really didn't see anything special. His overall body of work numbers were decent but nothing more. His tendency to drop too quickly wasn't getting better but that could be blamed on coaching. I guess his best trait was being young with possible upside but Snidely's edict took care of that in a few different ways
I'm on the 'changes are needed' team and I'll gladly carry torch and pitchfork for the cause but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. If Holmgren is left in charge it could be darker before it gets a whole lot brighter. He's been soooooooooooo sloooooooooooooow on the draw when it comes to change that if he was in a gunfight with a sloth (not Seden) you'd have to bet on the sloth to gun him down.
Posted on Mar 11, 2013, 11:39 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Winning a game. Finally scoring a SH goal. Buffalo, NYI, Wash, Fla all losers. PP bags 2 more goals
Giving up a SH goal. NJD, NYR, Pitt, Mtl all win & Wpg gets 1 point. No EV goals again. Another -2 night for Giroux and Voracek. Giroux is -9 on the year. Voracek is -7. I mention them because they have the most points on the team and are 1st line players.
What is wrong with Hartnell? He's been playing like the player who almost was shipped "out"
Will Briere be traded to try and avoid a buyout? He really meant nothing again tonight.
Took a step forward though it wasn't pretty. Still beats losing and looking marvelous. On to the next 2 games against a team they're trying to catch
Posted on Mar 10, 2013, 10:45 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
I've been hesitant to say anything because I know he went from whipping-boy to beloved becuase of last season. But like you, I'm seeing the same guy who everyone hated 2 years ago...slow, lazy, making blind spin-a-rama passes to no one (or the other team). I'm starting to think last season was an aberration. Maybe his foot still isn't right, but that doesn't account for poor decision-making.
Personally, I'd have no problem adding him to the list of people to trade at the deadline. He probably has the most value of anyone people are talking about dumping. I understand his role, but for the money, unless he steps up and plays like last season, let him go. Every player has a "career" season. Was last year his?
Posted on Mar 11, 2013, 9:29 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
I'm on record as saying that Scott Hartnell will never bag 37 goals again. To me it was as safe as saying that Mike Richards would never score 50 goals I'll be surprised if Hartnell ever cracks 30 again
Hartnell's play in his 1st 6 year deal has surely not been consistent as he's had some peaks and just as many, if not more, valleys. Anyway, I can't see the Flyers making him available any time soon but he really does have to pick up his game and by a good bit.
If they ever decide to make him available (& he'll waive his NTC) his new contract is decently cap friendly & affordable.
Posted on Mar 11, 2013, 12:23 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
3 very important games until the week off. Leighton?
When you're 3 games below .500 you better win them all. Buffalo tomorrow and NJ @ Home & Away. Both those teams are struggling like the Flyers are so it's not impossible. That's the way THEY have to look at it. Get back to .500 one step at a time.
Leighton coming back? Seems so. I said in a post last week that Laviolette just does not like Boucher and it is why Bryz has been getting burned down. Coaches whim. A whim which has hurt his team too. Seravalli says Leighton is loved by Laviolette so that all but confirms that.
Believe it or not, the tipping point has not yet been reached. As bad as the Flyers are right now they are still right in the mix for the last spots in the East playoffs. It would be easier to be put out of your misery but they cling to life and as long as there is life there is hope and where there is hope there is a GM thinking he has a shot at redemption. ALL is scary. All is true.
They shouldn't be waiting on a coach change but Holmgren has a past record of being too tolerant of poor performance by friends. And Snider & Luukko tolerate Holmgren. Also all true.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 10:45 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
I keep thinking what this team would be like without the rise of Vorocek-but I think we needed to go to the bottom to draft high so that really hurts us. The only way to repair this team is through draft. This re-building process will take years.
Posted on Mar 10, 2013, 11:43 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
Why I sat for as many games as I did I don't know. We had a killer schedule that crammed 19 games into 30 days. Back to back and 3 games in 4 nights, 5 games in 7 nights and still I sat. I don't get paid to be the coach but I saw a tired goalie being used far too much in a very trying environment. Ilya has started more games than anybody else in the league & you could see his personal stats getting worse and worse as more fatigue set in.
I hope to be back but I also hope it's not under this same coach who hasn't shown he's in tune with his goalies ever since he got here. His handling of me, Bob, Mike and Ilya has been pathetic if not comical
Posted on Mar 11, 2013, 12:32 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Honestly, this team is about as far from a real Flyers team as the Columbus BJs. One or two moves would not make enough of an impact, so they really need to try and move Most of these passionless and pitiful vets (yes, that means you too Breezy, you are stealing millions of $$$). Keep the young guys, BUT for the love of God, please can these horrid scouts, this coach who has lost this team, and most of all, this overmatched and underwhelming GM.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 7:27 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
This is when either a huge mistake will be made or avoided.
The problem isn't the kids. They are playing around the 100th NHL game of their careers. They Should be given at least 4 years before being considered for trade.
Breezy has fallen off from his early season game, and the longer he plays letting in 3 goals in what? 2 minutes?
Elite doesn't do that. The more his buyout becomes more of a reality.
This team needs to let the aged players go, run with the kids and build around them, not because of them.
Trade what you can, and let the rest go after the season.
Gagne? Nice game back, but invisible since.
Knuble? Showing that he was in fact done.
Timmonen? Can we still trade him with that extension? Or will teams give up more seeing he is more than a playoff run?
Feds...? He hasn't done anything to warrant staying.
Briere? Trade for what you can...I don't think we'll get anything close to Shattenkurt
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 7:05 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
I watched the fight and it was pretty much a draw until Thornton pulls him down at the end. Thornton did not clean his clock, he marginally got the better of him IMHO. Zac plays a great game almost every game. The Flyers vets are letting them down and I don't care what anyone says G was given the captain tag too early. Where have I seen this before? I really hope they fall right out of it and that we become sellers at the deadline, Briere, Kimmo, Fedetenko, Talbot, anyone under 25 and Ilya. If Ilya can not be traded then he needs to be bought out for sure. More likely what will happen is PH will make some stupid trade and give up Courturier and other young guys to keep the fan base thinking they have a shot. If they give up young guys at this point I may well give up on them. Trade the dead weight and let Lavy go, build through the draft and do NOT trade your young players.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 6:41 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Zach was getting pummelled with uppercuts toward the end and Thornton took him down out of respect. You could see him saying something to Rinaldo and I believe it was a "nice go" kind of comment.
As for being sellers, I agree whole heartedly at this time. I wonder what it would take to pry Bernier from LA? He's young enough. One could wish for a package of Briere and someone, what with Danny being the proven playoff scorer that teams in the hunt would drool over, but that would probably not be enough. If they deal youth for older players, even I and my orange tinted shades would have to call for PH's head.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 7:01 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
I like ZR, as much as the next guy, but if he wasn't pulled down, he would have most likely been carted off. That is an example of what I mean by NO idenity, Zack is NOT a heavy weight! Also, why wasn't he ready? There are many captains that are and have been named captains younger thab G.
Either he is or isn;t a leader. I don't see age being a factor, unless he was 19 or 20.
I do agree that PH should dump any vet he can, except Hartnall. And the young guys need another year to gel and fit in.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 7:15 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
It is not that he wasn't ready as I misspoke, what I really feel is it was a mistake just like Richards but they were thrust into it. I really wish they would have just let G play hockey, just because a guy is a star doesn't mean he is suited for captaincy. I just hope G figures things out the way Richards never did.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 8:14 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
I have never been in favor of making your cornerstone young star your captain. I like the leadership provided by established, veteran players who have the respect of the locker room and can handle the leadership coupled playing. It seems like the organization is perpetually fixated on finding a new Bobby Clarke to be the star player and captain. Perhaps Lindros, Richards, and Giroux might have been better off left to focus on their game and producing for the team instead of being in charge of it. So much was thrust on Richards that his immaturity blatantly showed through to the media and the fans. It is only a half season, but I would have rather seen someone like Hartnell, Timonen, or maybe even Briere put in charge of leading the team.
Posted on Mar 10, 2013, 7:07 PM from IP address 22.214.171.124
The debacle we saw against the Pens will either spur this team on, or put them on the skids. The Boston game is more of a tell tale sign about the character of this team, than the collapse in the last two periods were. So let's judge this team by how they respond today, and not just the ugly collapse of two periods.
A stinker today, will certainly mean the beginnning of many changes to this team. A stinker today and no one or two role player pick ups at this juncture will fix this team. Neither will a coaching change. A bounce back, and we are NOT as bad off as we all feel we are at this point. A tweak here or there and a Healthy Messaros, can still see this team grab a playoff spot.
So Which team will we see against Boston today??????
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 10:12 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
That's roughly the record we need to have in the remaining 23 games in order to even sniff the 8 seed. What have you seen in the first 25 games to give any hint that this is possible? Look at the standings right now, how many GOOD teams even have that record?? 3, 4?
I'm not a debbie downer type, but any playoff talk is foolish right now with this current group. It's just obvious they do not have that kind of run in them. They haven't win 3 straight, and can't even remember too many 2 straight wins. From the goalie, to the defense, the lack of killer instinct from the forwards, and the inability of this coach to make any necessary in-game adjustments other than using a timeout. Start looking forward to next season, sell what parts you can, if any and prepare for the future. I'm already looking towards the drsft and off season. After The Pittsburgh Debacle, I'm real happy I'm leaving the country for the next two weeks to forget about this hockey season for awhile.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 11:25 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
Not known for their defense....... Certainly not known for their Goaltending.....Don't have great team speed.....Can't play the Physical game with a defense first team....Since Pronger is gone, they have NO shutdown Dman......And since Pronger is gone they have NO Offensvie Dman.....And now as Thornton just showed.....they have NO enforcer!!!!
Seriously, this team has a little bit of everything, but has NO strength which is why I say they have NO idenity. When a team is struggling a bit, they need to go back to their strengths (idenity if you will), Oh, the Media still refers to them as a throwback to the Bullies, which makes me laugh evertime I hear them characterized in that way.
Now I applaud PH effort in sending a message when he tried to steal a stud dman this summer, but what idenity are you trying for in picking up Feds, Knuble, and now Gagne. I can live with any ONE of the three, but all Three? Where are you going with these pick ups?
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 2:53 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
I don't know what stars have to do with having an idenity. You don't need a team of stars to win a Championship, but since you brought it up..... the Flyer's Stars?????? Bryz and any dman are stars???????? Solid at times, but Stars? Besides the Capt, who are the All Stars?
The obvious seems to be a common thread here "THE COACH". Easy to dismiss one instead of many. Personally if I was to blame ONE person, it would have to be Paul Holmgrem. Not only for assembling what is there, but what is drafted by this organization. Who is the last Goalie and defensman drafted by the Flyers that stayed with the big team for more than 3 years?
Now Paul can't take all the blame for what is assembled here, and he has made some good moves. So......I say it is key for this organeyezation to write off this year, and make some of their so called STARS.....very available, and then build a strong team.
HOWEVER, I have said it before, this organeyezation goes for the OFFENSE....it is what puts the arses in the seats, and then tries to get has beens to fill in the voids. Almost pulled it off a couple of times, but the end results have not been satisfying, at least not for the fans, but the owners are pocketing a nice buck, Cup or not.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 6:44 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
You're right, Paul Holmgren should be top on the list to blame
I was never impressed with Lavy to begin with- and he is the first one I blame when I see no effort. I said we were not a playoff team to begin with before the season started. I think we are years away from being a contending team again. Signing Kimmo it 6 million next year only shows our desperation in hanging onto the little we do have and offers no sign of turning things around anytime soon.
Posted on Mar 10, 2013, 11:37 AM from IP address 18.104.22.168
Thank the hockey gods, finally a loss and I'm happy this day! So, our 35 game record is not broken and won't be anytime soon! I loved that team and they should have won the Cup if not for Leon Phucking Stickle!!
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 10:07 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
Let me get this straight. They've been feeling the effects of injuries and a schedule from hell to the point of being exhausted at times yet the 'coach' feels it necessary for them to beat on each other on a day that he has a chance to re-focus, instruct & actually teach them something. I've never heard of anything like this.
Bag skate'em and burn their legs but don't make a practice before a HUGE must win game a war zone and like game day conditions. Imagine if somebody would have been bad hurt enough so they couldn't play in a game or 2. Anyone else thinking the Bruins are laughing at this as they rest and focus not on each other but on the Flyers?
Out(PL's a d-bag)land
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 9:43 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
Briere when asked about the practice said " we needed it, it was good to get our frustrations out." Now I could be wrong but wouldn't it be better if they took out their frustrations on the Bruins?? Now that they have got their frustrations out will they be less physical today?? I think Lavy would have been better to let them stew in it, maybe let them watch the second period 2-3 times.
Posted on Mar 9, 2013, 11:19 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
That makes Getzlaff the 4th highest paid player in the NHL. I think highly of Ryan Getzlaff but the last name is spelled Getzlaff not Gretzkylaff. Can't imagine what some of the all time greats would be worth in today's inflated cost game. Would the Oilers of yesteryear really be able to have a full roster?
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 1:38 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
you may keep this guy but how do you fill out the roster?
the Pens are going to be interesting....Malkin will be due and will get at least as much as Cindy.....Letang is up and he'll be looking at least 6-7 million.....1/3 cap would be these three ....something will have to give....
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 2:21 PM from IP address 220.127.116.11
They're in stretch of games right now that at 1st glance appeared to be akin to taking a liesurely stroll thru Death Valley. It is all of that including the liesurely stroll. Show of hands if anybody was shocked, stunned, stupefied to see them blow that lead. Anyone? Anyone? Does Diogenes need to grab his lantern and walk about the forum looking for that person?
Last night was no novelty to the team or the fans and in oh soooo many ways. The Flyers are like a play that runs for years. People keep flocking to see it even though the story is known and the ending doesn't change. The cast of characters might change periodically but the author, stage manager and producer remain as constant as the northern star. Why change something that works?
I wonder if Holmgren still likes his team? His coach? Do his bosses like him?
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 9:13 AM from IP address 18.104.22.168
And not enough answers. From a raw talent standpoint, this team is pretty good and can play with the best of them, as evideenced in the first period. Sure there are some places that could be improved, but every team has those.
But why do we keep "seeing the same play" over and over again, season after season. We change the actors and change the director, yet everything's the same. They just don't show up for great periods of time.
I understood the backlash against the party boys, but they are gone. I understood the problems with the "wooden indian" but he is gone. Does it really come down to Homer (and Snider)? Is the culture of the Flyers organization one of laziness and failure to live up to the task at hand? I'm not sure, but it would be interesting to see what it is like on the inside. To me though, it certainly seems like a "culture" thing versus a talent thing.
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 9:23 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
I'll preface this by saying the first period was essentially on for background noise for me (was waiting for my girlfriend to get home from work, then have some dinner). She got home during the first intermission, then we settled in on the couch (with dinner) to watch the start of the 2nd.
The thing that stuck with me was watching Brayden Schenn standing in place after losing a face-off (can't remember if that started the 2nd or happened shortly thereafter), then doing the one skate push to head back into his own zone (rather lazily, I might add).
There was plenty of other bad play, but that was the one moment that really stood out to me. A few questions came to mind immediately...
1) Was this kid over-hyped?
2) Why the hell is lazy play being tolerated (by any player wearing a Flyer uniform)?
3) If we've lost him already, then why the hell is the coaching staff still in place?
Reading Hartnell's comments this morning did nothing more than to tell me no one on this team has any pride in their job. When I read a comment saying the team laid back, and no one knows why, it tells me no one cares. It's sad that the Philadelphia Flyers have been reduced to a group of lazy players who don't have enough pride in themselves to give a damn about their play.
I don't know that f*cking pathetic is a harsh enough description.
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 10:28 AM from IP address 126.96.36.199
It's about all I can stands and I can't stands no more. I guess this is where I eats my spinach or should I just grab a bottle of Jack and settle back for what will be a loooooooooooooong summer's nap?
Changes have been needed for a good while now. Probably should just say F__k 'em and feed 'em fish but I'm not quite sure what the feed 'em fish part has to do with anything.
Holmgren should be on thin ice if only for being so tolerable and gosh darn shucks about things. Remember the days of the Bob Clarke Coach of the Month Club? Not that BC was always right but he didn't tolerate for very long what Holmgren has from Woody and PL. I have little doubt that Bob would have already visited the lockerroom and spoken to some individuals about what he expects and what they are giving. I'm also sure he'd mention to a few of them that they're names were on speed dial.
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 11:37 AM from IP address 188.8.131.52
I do not doubt, in general the talent on the is team. There is a very good young core, and WHEN they get their heads on straight, they flat out dominate some very good teams.
Then they go back to sleep.
They had a tough early schedule, lots of imjuries. But now, HUGE opportunity knocks. Lots of home games. Players coming back. Other teams getting rough schedules. A 4-1 lead. what do they do with the opportunity? Come up real small.
Teams always take on the persona of their coaches. We've had a string of "What-me worry?" coaches. Stevens never showed a sense of urgency, that team just couldn't step up. Lava waits until things are just about out of hand, then calls a timeout, his timeouts are so effective because that's when the team decides to play. But until things are bad, there's little effort. and in that same persona, when things are good - what, me worry?
Paul hired them. Is it a corporate lack of urgency? Snider doesn't act that way. To a fault, his win it now before I die goalie edict really hurt the team.
Teams that wait for urgent time to play with urgency don't win cups.
I've come around to wanting Lava gone, more each game. It's burning me up wondering what this talent could do with a coach who challenges them, understands they aren't a down low pressure team - oh - and has a sense of urgency.
BTW, Murray and Paddock - same ol', same ol', ho-hum.
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 12:16 PM from IP address 184.108.40.206
That Hartnell quote could apply to a myriad of Flyer performances the past few seasons. It applies to even the games they won. Games under the same coach. Flyer Hockey??? Any organization that hasn't won what matters the most in nearly half a century should not crow about wanting to play a certain way. The present coach speaks a lot about his team finding it's identity and what we have seen from then under his watchful eye IS it's identity. You are what the results say you are and you can't find what isn't lost.
Good thing that pigeon head Holmgren has already locked up Timonen for another year at a bargain 6 mil. Good to see Briere still being sent out there to do what he does so well. Did Gagne dress last night?
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 9:22 AM from IP address 220.127.116.11
tonight was a goddman disgrace of epic proportions. The ******* season on the line, up 4-1 at home after the first a d you completely disappear. A big ******* bomb needs to be dropped tomorrow after that joke tonight. I don't know who, but somebody needs to be held accountable for this ****. So ******* mad right now they made me drink on a Thursday night after that crap.
We all know they're done right?? Probably have to go about 16-7 rest of the way to sniff the 8th seed. HAHAHAHA it's over, stick a fork in 'em and get your tee times reserved!!!!
Posted on Mar 7, 2013, 10:42 PM from IP address 18.104.22.168
so does Paulwinkle and this senile owener, the are the architects of this terrible team. No defense to speak of, a flaky and unreliable g-tender, a team that can't sustain effort for more than 1 period, a team this is unprepared most of the time, and a team that doesn't play with one iota of a killer instinct. That about covers it.
Posted on Mar 8, 2013, 8:38 AM from IP address 22.214.171.124
not entirely his fault as the Pens are getting beat all over the ice....for all the bs I had to listen today on the radio on how superior the Pens are and all they have to do is not get caught up after the whistle they will win....pound our D cause it sucks.....newsflash Pens fans your D is SOFT and our forwards cause just as much problems for you as yours does our D....difference so far is our forwards are doing an excellent job helping out.....
stay on them for two more periods...don't let up!!!
Posted on Mar 7, 2013, 8:00 PM from IP address 126.96.36.199
we are lucky to have two power forwards who make things tough out there.....that PP with Harts and Simmonds is tough to defend.....someone has to stay with Harts up high because of his shot and that opens up down low for Night Train....
their D is soft......they need to make a deal for a more stay at home dman....
Posted on Mar 7, 2013, 8:10 PM from IP address 188.8.131.52