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April 14 2009 at 11:16 AM
D.D.  (no login)
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Bart,

I wish you would leave my response post up at least as long as the attack post was up. It does us more harm than good to have some smack posted and then remove it all before some can read my response and the fact that we don't hide when someone yells foul.

 
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Ron Star
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?

April 14 2009, 12:58 PM 

No hard feelings, but NO ONE gives a #%&@ about all the DRAMA that is being dished out on this site! Don't you get it? You sir are ruining what used to be a good thing. Go catch some FISH and then Report your catch if you want to. That is what this site is for. Your #@$% is getting so OLD.

 
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D.D.
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Re: ?

April 14 2009, 1:27 PM 

Whatever "Ron Star"...save your punkass comments for the original poster you wipe! My guess is you are the original poster or you know him or her.

Don't waste your time telling me to f-off when I'm only here because some punk like you feeds off of punks like you. There's only one way to keep me from defending myself...you want to give it a try?


 
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Re: ?

April 14 2009, 1:36 PM 

What? Did you mean that the bite was on at holiday? No need to use morse code or what ever you want to call that stink coming out of your mouth is. Anyway, thanks for the input Double D's !! P.S. what were they hitting on? You left that part out.

 
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Re: ?

April 14 2009, 1:52 PM 

Ron...if that is your name,

Let me back up as it appears you wait for my every reply...

Answer this please.

Did you get a chance to read the original post that brought me here once again last night?

 
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Ron Star
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Yes

April 14 2009, 2:40 PM 

D.D. Yes i did. I have nothing against you. I visit this site once in a while only to see where the fish are biting. Recently it seems that every time i log on i onlly find all the tourny guys arguing. So yes it ticks me and most others off. I did not mean to slam any one person,just all the drama is getting old. Do i ever post fishing reports ? No, i get out on the water about 10 times a year. Before i go fishing i log on to this site to see what and where,thats all.

 
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Re: Yes

April 14 2009, 5:03 PM 

Understood Ron...but I have to ask...why did you not post a similar comment as soon as you finished reading the original rant? Why come behind me and act as though I and HT# are in the wrong for being here?

I post here at times on subjects not in any way associated with HT3. When I've been called out in the manner chosen by one ore more punks here, and I make an attempt to answer their attack, it's NEVER for them! I'm not going to "convince" them of anything at this point...just like they aren't going to put me in a corner with what they post. They post what they post for folks like you to see, and bank on the fact that most will jump in on the attack rather than use some common sense and see through most of what they say. I post a reply in the hope that a few will see through it and be willing to form a more logical opinion of HT3.

Find anything that I post saying HT3 is "saintly"...you won't. There is no trail around that is without it's shortcomings.

We have anglers that did quite well with HT3 and now aren't with them anymore. Loads of "reasons" why...some real and some without merit.

The trail those few fish now, pales in comparison in many ways and they don't like the place they're in but feel they are doomed to that trail and want us to go down with them. Ain't gonna happen.

I jumped on you because of your willingness to pile on HT3 and not the original poster, when your comment to me fit them more than I. It seems typical wherever I have to fend off this sort of stuff...sorry.

 
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YUM DINGER
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April 14 2009, 7:06 PM 

D.D. I have sat back and watched you bitch , cry and moan for the year you have been on this site ! Your the PUNK this is a site for reports not going on the rag and bitching you have no tampons so shut the **** up already !

 
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harlan
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Re: ?

April 14 2009, 7:50 PM 

Well if you really want me to, I will address these issues and Im sure there are people out there that say ohhhh that Harlan, he is the one that took $200,000 ohh wait $300.000, ohh wait $500,0000 from Roland, it grows every year. Funny how Im running his x wifes marina. Besides, I did not work for Roland then. I owned the business. We just used his name for advertising, hard to steel from yourself. Any way just so everyone knows I have all the documents if anyone ever wants to see, but back to your questions.

I did promise Pat that we would get the money and after months of talking, meetings and persuading they did agree to pay. I called Pat, he quoted I am not going to Clewiston for a brow beating from those people and declined the meeting. I assure you he will never get one dime from anyone in Clewiston again, as the same with Okeechobee tourism board.

As far as the 225ho, just so you know, brp HAS done something. Where ever or whoever has this motor, they will find out when they take it in for service, it has had a warranty restriction on it. The contract was for the motor to be given away .......... not 40, 50 or 60 boat minimum but given away at a championship.

As far as the Vic thing, a lot of people knew he owed me money, not Roland martin marina center but me and he did pay me in full and I would loan or help him today if he needed it.

As far as the Kurt thing, I was asked to get a deal from stratos at a huge discount on a 176xt, then mark it up so ht3 did not have to come up with as much money. I told Pat just call Kurt and tell him you were trying to work it out and did not have the money at that time. again I quote hell no they will know ht3 is broke I spent thousands of dollars helping Pat and yes I got to fish some tournaments for free. I helped people fix their boats at the ramp and hotels at mid night and did everything to help him grow the tour. I drove his truck to tournaments and paid people to drive my boat and truck to help him out. I spent hours on the phone to help him.

Whether you like it or not Dave, I got you a motor deal. At the time we both did it for Pat and ht3 to settle a debt. I do have a signed contract with you, but that is between us and Roland martin marine, not anyone else.

I am on no ones side here. not ht3 nor any other tour. I fish because I love it. been in the fishing business all my life, from the tv end, to the tournament end, to the advertising end and I have learned this is the smallest biggest business in the world. It seems everyone I talked to when trying to help ht3 grow, had a problem with Pat. Now is everyone wrong in this business? Am I wrong? is Kurt wrong? are 200 other anglers wrong? Makes me wonder.

I am not mad at anyone. I dont care if ht3 has 10 boats or 1000 boats. All Im telling you is what I know as fact, not he said she said. What Pat and I talked about again and again. Florida is huge and there are lots of fishermen out there. In fact we had this talk one time and it was said that o we dont need that guy or we dont need this guy but one or two here and there add up to 50 or 60. I hope everyone that joins ht3 has a great time, wins lots of money. All I can say again is what I know as fact. Im wondering if you Dave have been filled in with all the facts as well. This is in no way a attempt to cause ht3 harm at all, but for some reason my name keeps popping up, I had to respond.

This type of stuff is good for no one in the fishing business, not ht3, bfl, stren, bass busters, xtreme, bass or any other one trying to run a tournament. And I can tell you with all honesty, no one, I mean no one or no other tour has ever told me that I could not fish anything and not come back to them. I have been told time and time again, it all needs to be put to bed. I see no posts or comparison or anything on any web site other than ht3. You can call it comparison or any other thing you want to, but it seems its only compared to just xtreme, not bfl, not stren, no bass busters, not lakeland bass masters, not accent marine tournaments, not the fire fighters, no other comparison but one. My thoughts are a little bias as far as ht3, but we shall see

I also think anyone to call someone a punk, ass, idiot, moron on an open forum because they do not agree with you is wrong, especially coming from a tournament director.. I hope everyone can move on but im sure that is not going to happen soon god bless,,,,, and yes this is Harlan any one want to ask me anything just call 863 983 2128

 
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YUM DINGER
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Right On

April 14 2009, 8:58 PM 

Harlan , you are well liked and respected down south and a great person that represents the best in bass fishing and are welcomed down south anytime ! Ht3 and Extreme have been going back and forth for years and its time they start looking at there trails before they run each other in the ground ! This is a site for after fishing post to help anglers catch more fish and have good times with there kids not a place to air dirty laundry and it looks like D.D. has a whole basket full ! Fish On Harlan Fish On.

 
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harlan
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Re: Right On

April 14 2009, 10:32 PM 

Thank you very much //

 
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D.D.
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Re: Right On

April 15 2009, 1:10 AM 

Harlin, glad you took the time to make a post. As you can see, your friend Yum Dinger can use the very language you say I shouldn't and you thank him...

You might want to take the time to make a call...as it seems the only one I talk to is Raymond anymore. I like Raymond, but my friend at RMMC was a guy named Harlin.

And, for what it's worth...my posts here, Harlin and Mr. Dinger..were in response to a post and attack made. That's taboo here? This is the place to launch an attack? To mention all those items you just brought up? And I should ignore it? Really...

I'll be glad to e-mail you the original posts made here if you think I'm the one airing dirty laundry.

Harlin, you go ahead right here and tell Mr. Dinger what an ass I am. He and I agree on one thing...your assessment will be respected. Assess me. You are as in the know as anyone and yes, probably more than me on some points, but I am growing...no...I'm way past tired of people who have no idea who I am, casting comments like they're tossing bread to bluegills.

So, go ahead and let me know how I became what Mr. Dinger thinks I am. Tell me that I should let people make public commentary and just sit back and laugh it off.

Sorry to have to talk to you here and now in this manner. I do hope you had no idea what was being posted here and only just now are finding out about it. I would hate to think you were part of it all. It isn't what I would think you'd participate in, but I really can't be sure of anything anymore.

 
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Re: ?

April 15 2009, 7:21 AM 

I guess since my name was mentioned now I need to respond, although Harlan I read d.d.'s post over and over and still haven't seen where he said anything about you or R.M. but it's early I may have missed it. Seems you and Kurt and we are sure other anglers and their wives are coordinating your beef here openely. Anyway let me address my side of a few of your points.

First, I like Harlan, he has been a big help to me and HT3 and is appreciated by us I can assure you. I have taken his side many a time in boat / motor deals that went sour through no intentional fault of his own. Bill Yell, etc... Even telling one guy to hit the road if he is going to accuse Harlan of intentional mis doings. So I have had his back as well and yes this is one of the guys he correctly reported that I stated, "HT3 doesn't need that angler"...

Second, Harlan was and I would like to be again, a friend, I will not go into detail here nor do anything even in my defense to try and hurt him. Sorry, the few I may "sway" to my side in this argument is just not worth it. I still think too highly of him, AS A FRIEND.

Third, Harlan is a grown man and free to fish and support whomever he likes, I wish him nothing but the best and he is welcome at an HT3 event whenever he likes.

Finally, if that wasn't tantelizing enough to call Harlan and tell him he better come back on and defend himself then call me, no boat/motor from anyone has been sold, it is still in our possession to be done with what we want. Afterall, the prize package of a motor and the boat directly from triton was in exchange for ADVERTISING with HT3 in lieu of cash payment.

I will copy and forward to anyone who calls a copy of the rules from last year that clearly stated we required a 60 boat minimum to activate the boat giveaway as the previous 2 years we gave boats away regardless of entries to our classic and lost thousands of dollars doing so.

I still have a hard time figuring out which I am, the same people that accuse me of being a crook because I didn't giveaway a boat/motor rig to anglers who didn't earn it, on the other hand I am stating, I don't care if we have 10 boats, this guy can go, that guy isn't needed, etc. and I drove to clewiston 4 times in the big tournament truck and all the expenses that entails to hold tournaments but would not drive 1 time to pick up a check for 10,000.00.

It's just not consistent, a crook, a money grubber, a greedy s.o.b. would not do anything that would risk losing a single entry fee nor a quick chance at 10,000.00 just for a simple drive to a town to pick it up... can't be both. I, like Harlan will leave my number 321 217 3515 and be more than happy to answer anyone's ?'s about anything you read or hear. I am not gonna get into negative stuff here about Harlan or Kurt or Tom or Mel or any of the "amigos" I still like each of them and wish they felt the same way about me, but they have their reasons and in their eyes and those in their circle, feel justified in their thinking, comments, postings, etc. I can assure you them nor I have horns and a long tail...

 
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GO AWAY!!!!!!
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PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 8:46 AM 

OVER & OVER & OVER....D.D. all you do is defend yourself and your "not wanted trail"on here. Now your crying to Bart about you "Bullsh*t" being deleted. Dont you get it??? No one cares about your has been little "money makeing venture" Bart dosn't want you here either. You could have written a novel with all the long wrants and hijacked threads youve typed here. This is the "South East Bass Fishing Report website". You dont even live here. Open your ownwest coast site and stop annoying us who live here.

 
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Pat
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 9:17 AM 

Just wanted to give all the viewers here a look at the original contract between Bombardier, Tim Wilkerson (their rep) and HT3... There is no mention of any requirement to give the motor away. As a matter a fact you will see where it specifically states the motor will be delivered to Roland Martin Marine Center FOR HT3 OUTDOORS...

Doesn't say for the anglers, doesn't say to be given away, none of that. HT3 does not take a product from a sponsor, give it to an angler and receive nothing in return for promoting that product, never have, never will.

This again, is not an attempt to make Harlan look bad, perhaps he was not made aware of HT3's deal with Bombardier whatever the reason, his info and the relaying of that info to anyone who will read or listen to it is not accurate.

http://www.ht3bass.com/uploads/evinrudecontract.pdf

Again, please feel free to call me direct with any ?'s... Pat 321 217 3515

 
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D.D.
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 9:25 AM 

All I ever do here is "defend" myself? I wonder why that is! Dang, nothing gets by you does it? From here on out...42.31 shall be known as "MOTO".

Find the light switch...and flick it to the on position...cause you're in the dark.


 
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 10:54 AM 

Thank you Tim and Bombardier who replied to the email my partner sent inquiring about the warranty restriction. For those that may not know or who may have been told another non truth, my partner is the pres of froggtoggs rainsuit company and upon reading this thread sent an email to Bombardier inquiring about the warranty restriction mentioned above, to the engine on HT3's Triton boat in his possession.

Bombardier quickly responded to his inquiry and stated the warranty restriction has nothing to do with who has or where the engine is, the restriction was that because they did not know who would register the engine or when it would be, the warranty began at the time of rigging.

Which we not only agree with but were made aware of prior to taking possession of the engine. So whether the engine stays with my partner on our Triton or is sold or is given away as part of a prize package at a future date, the engine will have a full warranty as far as coverage. The only restriction being a time frame restriction that the warranty started the day the engine was rigged on our boat and there is no restriction on warranty work to be done. Pat, 321 217 3515

 
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 12:38 PM 

I am not on anyones side here, I do find Harlan a great guy, well respected and one who looks out for the anglers.
I have been listening to this whole thing and I am blown away by this.
It sounds to me too many people got to talking and forgot to read the rules, the rule on how many participaints to get the prize is to promote more people to get others involved.

about 6-7 years ago a bass club had a $3000 guarenteed payout (1st-5th I think it)$80 entry fee tournament at holiday park
Only 28 boats showed up and the club paid the money out of there own pockets and everyone who fished was happy.
2 years later the same club did it again at holiday park and 98 boats showed up and everyone was yelling and screaming like children and made a huge stink about it that the club made money.
So it seems people always forget to read the rules when it doesn't favor them.

I don't even know if I have ever met Pat but the guy just showed everyone his contract that proves he can do what he wants with the motor, I believe if it was me I would sell it and donate most of the money to a youth fishing program in the name of the HT3 and the anglers who competed in the HT3.
Sincerly,
Roy Singer
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D.D.
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 1:28 PM 

Good post Roy. I've never met you either and have found your past posts to be informative and always in the fairest of attitude.

Deals that HT3 strikes for advertising compensation are firstly meant for gross income from which it's own bills are paid. And the motor put into question by the original post is as of yet, still in the hands of HT3. So, no monetary gain has come of it.

Let's not forget, my posts and all this was to answer the ORIGINAL post, not to counter Harlin G. The poster did what he or she did without a care as to who might be implicated...and at what level. That person is the one most should be upset with....oh, and me too...?

Harlin will tell you all about an event HT3 held to benefit the Dawn Center in Pasco County. No less than 10K was donated to that facility in the event. Harlin played a big part in that event, as did many other current and former HT3 anglers. I don't need to mention their names here, they know who they were. One (former)angler who tells anyone who will listen that HT3 is the worst thing to happen to him, yet he had his and his wife's entry ($500.00) fronted to him by Pat. They were struggling at the time and needed a release. They won thousands of $$$ at that event and were able to repay HT3 right away which worked out for everyone.

A little like the motor contract...throw it out there on the wall, see what may stick and who cares? Well, stories like this and the posting of that much questioned motor are the RAGS we use to clean those walls. HT3 has more RAGS than you may think.

Sorry Roy, to go on like that.

 
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Pat
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I was wrong

April 15 2009, 1:36 PM 

I originally thought we had required a 60 angler average to kick in the boat giveaway. I pulled the original brochure for the tour and see it was just 40 angler average needed. We averaged less than 25.. But here is the brochure, we have all the original brochures all the way back to 2006.

http://www.ht3bass.com/uploads/08brochure.pdf

 
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Anonymous
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 4:34 PM 

I'm not going to comment what was said in the original posts by Dave and the other posters, because, well I don't know how much truth is in either one and they were gone before I had a chance to read them. I was told that my name was in those posts, and now Dave feels he needs to once again mention my husband and me. I don't care what HT3 does, as my husband no longer fishes this trail. I will say, we received several emails from both Pat and Dave attacking Tom's decision, his character as well as his web site was "messed with" when Tom made that decision not to fish HT3. Dave did post derogatory comments on Tom's new web site that I built, as well as "threatened" Tom in the last email confrontations. Of course he and I had our own words in defense of what was said to us and those emails only made it easier for my husband and myself to move on. I do believe however, that HT3 has taken advantage of some circumstances and other people that tried to help them in their endeavor to be the largest tournament trail in FL. How does that effect me or my husband? It really doesn't because we no longer are affiliated with them. Simple as that.
Now as far as Pat paying Tom's entry into the Big Pit Open, you are absolutely 100% correct Dave. What you fail to mention, is Tom was not going to participate in that event due to reasons that is none of your business, but Tom had recently had not 1, not 2, but 3 surgeries on his knee. After being out of work for several weeks, money for co-pays, prescriptions, etc, we did not have the money at that time. After receiving several phone calls from Pat and an email addressed to all Wave Worm Pro Staffers stating that their non participation may jeapordize their future with Wave Worms and HT3, it was then that Tom made a phone call to Pat to explain the reasons Tom was not going to participate. Pat was dissapointed with the turn out for this event and told Tom to come up anyway, he would cover his entry and to pay him back when he could.
We didn't even arrive until after 11:00 the evening before, missing practice time the dinner and meeting. Tom didn't even have a partner to fish with. How many events have you seen me enter with Tom? I'll tell you, ONE, this one. We did it to help Pat to try to get the participation up. That is the only reason. Same with Kurt and Tommy, they came up the second day, only to help Pat and the participation. Does that make Tom a bad person because he fished on borrowed money? I guess in your eyes it does. Or is just that you are upset that he beat you in the relay race, even with a bum knee? To be honest, this is only one of several times that Pat has paid Tom's entry, even though it stated in the rules, if the money was not in by a certain time, you would not be allowed to fish. This just goes to show how the rules are manipulated to suit HT3 and Pat's needs.
I don't know why you continue to bring us into this. WE don't care what HT3 does or did. Tom has several reasons why he no longers fishes HT3. You need to except that and stop pulling us into your bulls**t.
If anyone has questions for Tom, he would also be more than happy to answer any of them. 772-285-6707

 
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To clarify a few things

April 15 2009, 4:36 PM 

Don't know why the above post didn't post with my name, but I did write it.
Shanna Morse

 
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 4:51 PM 

ms shanna as a spectator watching this with my coke and chips and already waiting for the sequel, i am trying to find your name in d.d. (the dick's) post. and as an objective non particiant here why did you mention other guys names like you said kurt and tommy, etc. you act mad that d.d. mention you by inference but you type these other names out in the open. seems to me to not be hipocritical you should not do unto others what you feel has been done to you. i say if the director was willing to pay and front entry fees and such he was doing all he could to help raise money for the charity, that too seems like a negative to you that one could take as a positive. ok i got another bag of chips and another coke, chomp chomp chomp. come on d.d. that woman called you out, make your reply but do it in short hand i ain't gots the time to read a book.

 
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 5:06 PM 

Shanna, keep talking...you continue to prove my point.

More later...

 
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Anonymous
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 5:34 PM 

I have no axe to grind with ht3, in the past i have fished your trail. You guys have always been fair to me, but you are not enhancing your image. Most on this site are just here to stir it up and would never fish ht3 anyway. I am all for defending my reputation, but no matter what, you can't win on this site.

 
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Anonymous
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 5:43 PM 

DD is the canadian mounty go stert a web site called the fishing tampons cause the bullsh!t bleeding on this site is fuked up ! GO AWAY this is a report site not melrose place !!!!!!!!!

 
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GO AWAY
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Re: PLEASE!!!!!!

April 15 2009, 7:46 PM 

no kidding!!! THIS HAS TURNED INTO THE HT3 WEBSITE...who in the hell wants to fish it anyway?? talking about proving a point. d.d. and pat are sure making it. thanks morons for making my point for me....keep it local guys, these morons couldnt run a high school carwash.

 
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CALL THE MOUNTY !!
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20 BOATS

April 16 2009, 7:56 PM 

10/4 that was good!!

 
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Anonymous
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Re: ?

April 15 2009, 8:07 PM 

I looked at the invoice and was wondering if this is what you are saying is a contract on the motor. Wouldnt a contract be signed by both parties and on a company contract and not a HT3 letterhead. Is this a contract or something you are trying to pass off as a contract?


 
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FRED
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STAY SMALL

April 15 2009, 8:57 PM 

IT WORKS BETTER ASK CRIS!!
SEEYA FRED

 
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Pat
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Re: ?

April 16 2009, 9:03 AM 

No to the contract/invoice question. If we had "both" a contract paper and an ivoice, then all the terms would not be on the "invoice" you would just put the price for the advertising and attach it to the contract. With Humminbird/minnkota, evinrude, triton, all our sponsors it is a simple one page invoice stating what we'll do and what they must do. I can post all the other ones too if you like.

I'm not sure how someone can come on here and make a false statement about me and HT3 selling a motor that they say we were suppose to give a way and in an attempt to "defend" that statement and prove what the truth is by putting up the contract, I am somehow proving someone's point as to why they shouldn't fish ht3 and we are somehow the trouble makers?

I agree none of this stuff should be on this forum, the forum is about fishing info for south florida. It would be easier if all you guys would jump on the person who post the original b.s. post, regardless of what the post are about and shut them down when they do it.

If this forum is about fishing info and no one cares about "all this b.s." then you shouldn't care about the b.s. the MINUTE it is posted and not only care when those that have to defend the b.s. post. Right? If the people posting this b.s. stuff wanted to work anything out or make things right or give others the chance to correct any wrong that they think they have experienced they would use the numbers listed and contact me or my partner.

The fact they don't and continue to try and fight this war here publiclly shows their true intentions. Their satisfaction is soley based in the intentional hurting of HT3, regardless of what they say. This is their choice but we too have (or should have) the same opportunity to post our side of the same... remember, no matter how flat you fry a pancake, there is still 2 sides to it... thanx...

 
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Anonymous
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full of ****

April 16 2009, 9:40 AM 

HT3 what is said and what is done are two different things
Harlen great guy ,Pat snake in the grass Pat says one thing
does another I don't care about a boat giveaway thats for people who
are petty. All trails make money how much they make is there problem
what i do have a problem with is when words are twisted to benefit
someone fish what ever trail you want leave the crying for kids as for
HT3 would not fish it and i am not one of those people that cant fish it
just chose not to ...


 
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Pat
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I agree

April 16 2009, 10:24 AM 

I agree with you not fishing HT3 that is your choice and we are not for everyone and for sure have NOT been 100% perfect in everything. However, we do come on forums like this and take the darts and do not hide behind fake screen names and such... I appreciate Harlan and Kurt and Shanna who even though they say things I may not want to hear and wish I could go back and change, they do it from what is in their eyes an honest platform and do it under their real name.

It is also a shame that the good things (believe it or not there have been some) that HT3 has done are never posted here. HT3 has helped Harlan sell a boat or two, done good things for Kurt and Tom and Shanna. Have I been perfect? Nope! But to read some of the stuff posted here you would think that I have spent the past 5 years intentionally trying to ruin peoples lives and that just isn't the case. However, if these or others feel that has been the case, all I can do is apologize.

I have made overtures to some of these same people in an attempt to fix the bridge or mend the fence, to no avail. I have remained closed lipped about some mis steps or mistakes they may have made in the past that I am sure they would not want posted publiclly. I have aired any dirty laundry on this forum about some of the very people that think they have so much of it on HT3, but that doesn't mean there isn't any, it just isn't EVERYONE'S business.

I have no problem with anyone who has fished HT3 and decided to leave because we are not what they thought we were. I do have a problem with people whom I have never met and who have never even seen one of our events having a strong opinion about how we do things wrong because of phone calls, folders of emails, webpostings and the such being used to pursuade anglers to "stay away from HT3"...

When anyone and I am no different, perceives they are being backed into a corner we all will do, say, type things, etc. in a state of anger that perhaps would of been best left un said, un typed, etc. We ALL whether you want to admit it or not, think WE are right. I am sure those that think they have been "wronged" believe they have, that is human nature, I'm just not sure why people who have not fished with HT3 in over a year and have "made the break" to bigger and better things still from time to time have to come here or elsewhere and post their "HT3 Hate" and their "did you know this"...

Whatever... get over it, move on, enjoy your new trail(s) and win a bunch of money, go to bed every night with the satisfaction of knowing that I/HT3 miss you guys and you don't miss me/HT3. You Win!



 
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The Universal Visionary
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An opinion

April 16 2009, 10:40 AM 

You think you are defending your trail????????

All this BS that is being posted is only hurting the tournaments. It is not helping HT3 at all. Do you not understand that the people reading all this crap will want to avoid it. It will push them away from all tournaments. If you just ignore it, it WILL go away much faster than when you answer it. This whole thing was a troll and he hooked a bunch of you. It looks like a few are gut hooked and cannot spit the hook. Every time he jerks the line you jump and splash but he still has you hooked. The only way out is to just quit biting on his bait.

But the trolling has you so pizzed off that you just can't stop answering!!!!

 
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PLEASE DELETE ALL HT3 CRAP

April 16 2009, 11:08 AM 

BART
PLEASE DELETE ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH DD, PAT AND ALL OF HT3'S NONSENSE. WHAT A JOKE THOSE GUYS ARE AND THEY DON'T EVEN FISH DOWN HERE. SAD. PLEASE BART, BAN THEM BOTH

 
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Anonymous
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Re: PLEASE DELETE ALL HT3 CRAP

April 16 2009, 11:19 AM 

Ban them? Reading the "drama" and tournament results are the only things worth reading.

 
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D.D.
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Re: PLEASE DELETE ALL HT3 CRAP

April 16 2009, 11:34 AM 

Isn't that the truth...

 
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Re: PLEASE DELETE ALL HT3 CRAP

April 16 2009, 11:43 AM 

I want to reply to an earlier post that has seem to bother me, I thought I knew who D.D. was, But he posted earlier about Pat lending entry fee money to an angler and that angler paid it back.
1st thing is D.D. you are very wrong to bring that up on a open message board, it is just wrong to try to make someone look bad or to humiliate someone in that way, that is something that should have never be used against someone.
It shows me that the angler you were talking about was a "man of his word" and I think as of now his word is better than yours.

2nd thing is that obvious did that for a couple of reasons, he trusted the angler and obviously he was right because he paid it back and he was trying to help HT3 get more boats.

My name is Roy Anthony Singer, my phone # is 954-232-8220 and if you want to talk face to face I am always around just give me a call and would be willing to meet and talk face to face, Good or Bad!

p.s. D.D. I thought you were the one I met fishing with your daughter, if so this just doesn't sound like your style, if not sorry to the Dave I thought was D.D..


 
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D.D.
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Re: PLEASE DELETE ALL HT3 CRAP

April 16 2009, 2:51 PM 

Roy, it was nice talking with you and very informative.

I went back and re read Shanna's post. I never realized that using that example to show that HT3 isn't what the original poster would want the reader's to believe...and nothing more, would "out" them. Is was to show what HT3 was, not show who they were...it was the scenario I was talking about, not the 2 anglers. I never mentioned any names as you know. But you told me everyone knew who they were already...??? How? Shanna came here to tell me what? Things I already knew? She told everyone else things I had no interest in divulging. Note...Shanna, Tom never beat me in a relay race...I never left the deck of my boat. I, too had a knee problem at the time (had surgury on 12-31-08). When I saw Tom dive off the boat and scramble up the bank, knowing what I knew about you two and my own knee, I said he can have it, he deserved it. But don't make that little episode out to be more than it was. My knee's fixed now. My apologies to you and Tom if you felt my mentioning a random act of kindness somehow really meant I wanted to talk about the two of you. Did you guys get to see the original post that started all this?

Again, thanks Roy. It's a shame you felt like I had done a great dis service to Tom and Shanna for posting a story that never mentioned a name...on a public forum like this...But Roy, was it as bad as this?

7. Did you or did you not make an announcement that anyone who owed HT3 or any of their sponsors money, they could not fish the Executive Classic in Guntersville. So why did Dave Dickens fish when he still owed $6,000 for the Honda. But Vic wasn't allowed because he owed Roland Martin Marine Center for some boat repairs? Oh that's right, you were mad that he didn't have gas money to get to Camp Mack to help set up for a tournament. That's definitely the way to treat someone who would give his shirt off his back if you needed it. How he puts up with your bs is beyond any of us.

...Or maybe....

8. Did you or did you not ask that Dave Dickens receive an Evinrude from Roland Martin Marine Center in which he signed a contract, but is over 4 months behind on payment? Let's be honest, he/you never intended to pay for it, just another way to rip someone off.

Or how about...

10. Did you or did you not receive $15,000 from Wave Fishing in sponsorship money? I'm guessing that made your vacation very enjoyable.

See Roy, those posts were made firstly, along with another 12 questions and comments and no one ever came out to denounce those questions and that they shouldn't be posted on a public forum.

Your point is taken. I hope mine is too.

I'll call you again sometime.


 
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sum-kina
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Hmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!

April 16 2009, 5:21 PM 

"very interesting".......need more chips!!!

 
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BASS AND GIRLS
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love the ball bustin keep it up

April 16 2009, 7:01 PM 

let them go!! this is funny
to bad its posts!!
it wought be kool if it was the reel thing.
in anglers parkin lot.
then the big balls wought come out.



 
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Im Discusted
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Greed

April 17 2009, 7:59 AM 

I cant believe this sh*t..on a diferent thread cracker is thanking john pate for taking somone out fom the "Make A Wish Foundation". this same event gave a percentage of the money to the cancer society and these two morons from ht3 are here arguing about thier money venture, boats, motors, people leaving thier trail...you two (D.D. & Pat) should be ashaimed of yourselves. GO AWAY

 
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D.D
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Re: Greed

April 17 2009, 3:05 PM 

Hey MOTO,

If that's what you get out of someone else coming here are posting a bunch of garbage and then me answering their tirade....then you are just what I picture you to be.

What are you trying to do? Get back on John's good side after slamming here so often?

I see through it...so will he.

 
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!

April 17 2009, 4:55 PM 

watch your threats Roy !! I have read past post to and you seem to be a suck up and @ss kisser to all ! but I have never met you and thought nothing of it until now ! your face to face comment is way out of line and the HT3 Nation will not stand for it so call up your little club and bring all your back up cause youll need it ! DD cant let the @sses down there threaten you and all 1000's of HT3 members got your back !



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Anonymous
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Re: !

April 17 2009, 6:32 PM 

A 1000 members????????? Where????? All I see is 12 to 15 boats tournaments. There is a reason why, you just need to ask yourself. They are dropping like flies for a reason. You can screw over so many people before you get an ugly name. I just don't want anybody else to get screwed. That is why these post were put up in the first place. It is called a PUBLIC AWARNESS.

 
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Re: !

April 17 2009, 6:35 PM 

I think we're setting a new record here. No, not the number of posts because we don't have to scroll to the left yet. The record I'm talking about is the number of ridiculous posts The best thing about this thread is the fact that the locals are not bashing each other for a change. I don't think too many people really care about HT3 good, bad or indifferent. It's less than a handful of people who like to push your buttons because they get a kick out of it. That stuff will go on forever here. The only thing that changes is the people on the receiving end. Right now it's you guys. They know you will always respond to their attacks. But to contradict myself, I can't blame you as I would defend myself as well.

 
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Anonymous
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Re: !

April 18 2009, 5:14 PM 

Fishing reports blow, this is great entertainment!

 
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D.D.
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Re: !

April 18 2009, 7:24 PM 

I guess they don't believe I called you Roy. But then again, looks like they don't want to believe much...

 
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Re: !

April 18 2009, 8:42 PM 

I am Roy Singer not anyone else, not a club or a group of people, if anyone has a problem with me or thinks I am some kind of chump then open your mouth to me at the ramp or keep your mouth shut here.
I tried to do the right thing by everyone and that makes me who I am, so if anyone doesn't like it then sorry for your luck and one day you'll grow up and be a man.

I'm not some kid that likes to play on a message board, I am husband with 2 young children that tries my best to keep fishing around for a while in my life.
SO Please don't anyone bring my name into anything that doesn't make sense exspecially when you don't know me personally.

There is no reason for any smart A** reply on this message board to this post any more words for me will be said in person or you are a coward and a child.

Roy Singer 954-232-8220

 
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HT3 Nation
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please

April 18 2009, 9:51 PM 

Roy you posted your face to face post first against our founders and that in itself deserves you saying your sorry here on this board in this forum ! Your child like behavior is real annoying and I went to your club site and it tells a child like story to as it looks like a cartoon not like the HT3 site ! just so you understand us we are not a club fat boy we are a
semi pro tournament series with lots of money and big prizes on the line not a few hundred club bucks and for you to bash are series here will not be tolerated ! it was a pleasure im sure !

 
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The Universal Visionary
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More BS

April 18 2009, 11:48 PM 

YUM DINGER
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Anonymous
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HT3 Rep
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HT3 Nation
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Talks out of at least 3 different sides of his mouth. Uses any name he thinks no one will know. All trying to start trouble. I think I may go back a year or so in the posts and see if I can find out who this jerk really is.

 
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bucketmouth
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Re: More BS

April 19 2009, 8:38 AM 

Hmmmmm.

 
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D.D.
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Re: More BS

April 19 2009, 4:59 PM 

Thanks for pointing out all the common I.P's...and yes, you are most definately right on that one!

Roy know who I am and he knows we don't have anyone posting on HT3's behalf other than Pat or myself (unfortunately).

Whatever you read here Roy, if it doesn't sound like what I or Pat would say...it isn't us...


 
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Anonymous
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Re: More BS

April 21 2009, 8:24 AM 

THE END

 
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jOHN dOE
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Re: More BS

April 22 2009, 9:04 PM 

WHERE'S THA BEEF!!!!!BITCH

 
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john Hoe
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*

April 23 2009, 8:33 AM 

Your sitting on it!!

 
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LETS GO INTO OVERTIME !
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DONT STOP NOW !!

April 30 2009, 8:38 PM 

IT WAS JUST GETTING GOOD!!

 
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