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Hello I am in the search of photographs of details to be able to restore my Ford GPW ( N° 19560) in the Canadian jeep most accurately possible .
If you have some photographs you can send them to me by email
Thanks for your assistance
The Canadian Army did use some Ford GPW jeeps in North West Europe in WWII. The markings would be the same for Willys MB or Ford GPW.
A Canadian Army Ford GPW would look the same as a standard US Army GPW EXCEPT:
1. NO wirecutter car on front.
2. Usually NO weapon holder on windshield.
3. NO rope wrapped around front bumper like a coil.
4. NO pedastel machinegun mount
5. NO glove box M48 machinegun mount
If it had a radio (wireless) it would likely be a British design Wireless Set No, 19 (British, Canadian or US manuafacture) nd would NOT be carrying US models of radios.
For Belgium, 1944-1945
UNIT SIGN (front and back)
FORMATION SIGN (front and back)
WAR DEPARTMENT CENSUS NUMBER (both sides of engine hood - bonnet to the British) in white, 3 and 1/2 inches high or sometimes 4" high. If early model without Jerrycan carrier, then WD number repeats on left rear panel of jeep. WD number sometimes painted on rear frame cross-member below pintle hook.
AIR RECOGNITION SIGN - WHite star inside circle. Various sizes and thickness of circle. MAY have white star (6 inch) on each side of jeep, usually near rear corner on sides, but sometimes in front of rear wheelwell, and sometimes over side steps.
Tire pressure markings were VERY different from US Army. Over each wheel Canadians SOMETIMES a special marking.
I will try to answer more questions later. See also my web site http://bcoy1cpb.pacdat.net click on visual index then go down to Jeeps or Markings and click on the word.
Thank you for those initial details on the Canadian jeeps. Unfortunately I am a little more curious and would like to go more in depth in my research.
For instance on some documents, it looks like electric engines for the wipers had been installed on CND jeeps, were they built with these electric engines? Same thing on the hooks on the front of the bumpers, U mountings for tools on the bumper, mounting on the wings of the luggage carrier or ammunition boxes. What kind of support was used for the Set 19 on the rear wheel. What kind of electric connecting box for the transmitter. I have a wooden mounting but it is too long. The antennae mounting is very different from the American, but all I have is a very bad picture and I just cannot based myself on it to copy it. The Ford I am restoring is dated April 1942 with Ford marking on the back panel. Thus no jerry can holder. Did they then used the small British 1 gallon jerrycans?
I am also looking for a possible number for this jeep given by the WD. Did they start with 42 ?
I will make it in the Black Watch of Canada markings and I would like to have it in British camouflaqge. Can I use the US olive drab and the mat black? Or do I need to do it in brown?
Would you also have a marking of tire pressures?
Is the prestone marking indicated, and the landing markings ?
Did the Canadian jeeps all have the decontaminator on the wings?
Jeep built to Canadian controct vs. Jeeps in Canadian use
by Hanno Spoelstra (no login)
Please note there is a difference between Jeeps built on Canadian contracts (CDLV 241, CDLV 242 and CDLV-505 with special features like lift rings), and Jeeps built on a US contract and then supplied to the Canadian Army.
Thank you Hanno
Unfortunately, I posséde traditional Ford assembly in the USA, even if I have the chance to have a beginning of series (N° 19360) I do not have true Canadian such as for example my friend Marc Bélanger de Longueil.
I will want to be able to make it possible most accurately with the color of Black Watch of Canada, here in Belgium too much jeep are US!
But I would not like to make any awkwardnesses of reconstitutions, it would be damage indeed to put a US antenna or things of this style. For this reason I am in the search of photographs of origins, drank first of my message.
By the way you would not have not information for the demonstration of Bussum the next year.
Miles excuses for the translation in English, I use a translator....
The good news is that the Canadian Army bought some standard Ford GPW jeeps. I used to own one that was made in April 1943 and have seen several other ex-Canadian Army GPWs from 1943. They were standard US model GPW jeeps and the only ways we could tell that they were ex-Canadian Army and not brought to Canada as surplus by hunters etc. after the war was:
1. Old Canadian Army markings painted on these vehicles.
2. Sometimes there was an extra home-made data plate added by the glove box on the dash.
3. Tires might be marked.
My April 1943 Canadian Army GPW had Canadian Army post-war markings (DND number over wheel wells and markings painted on the windshield panel "DEFENCE RESEARCH BOARD - EXPERIMENTAL STATION" - the DRB was post-war and was in Suffield, Alberta where the British Army has its BATUS training facility) and one tire had a Canadian issue mark - a C with /|\ issue arrow inside the C. That jeep by the way was last seen in Gordon Cumming's collection at Crown Surplus Store in Calgary, Alberta.
At the end of World War II, the Canadian Army had hundreds of Ford GPW jeeps in Europe. Most were purchased, but a few had been stolen - e.g. from the Americans. Some may have been captured from the Germans or found abandoned by the Yanks. The Canadians would simply paint over the markings! A friend of mine Doug Lunn RCAMC had to do this to a jeep stolen from the Americans in France. My regiment, the Seaforth Highlanders of Canada apparently had a stolen jeep and I was told by a veteran that they painted it the same as one of their officially issued jeeps - and they had to make sure that they did not park the two jeeps beside each other as they both had the SAME War Department number painted on the sides of the hood (bonnet to the British)!
Canadian jeeps rarely had radios insatlled and it is rare to find photos or instructions for installtion. When the No. 19 Wirelss Set was installed, the main antenna was mounted behind the jeep, on a bracket underneath or attached to the spare Jerrycan carrier. From the side, the mount looks a bit like a "Z" (if you stand by the spare tire and look left at the mount. At the bottom of the "Z" was probably a simple bent section with some both holes. The top section of the "Z" would likely have a large round hole surrounded my small bolt holes to mount the standard 19 set antenna base. My reference books are in storage so I do not have the antenna base model number.
There is an excellent site on the No. 19 Wireless Set and also there are excellent books by Louis Meulstee "WIRELESS FOR THE WARRIOR" that expaln maounting radios in British and Commonwealth vehicles.
I do speak some French if you cannot understand what is written here.
thanks Terry! I bought the original stickers, and made laser photocopies and made them a tad larger at the same time (I couldnt use the originals which must be EXCEEDINGLY rare) interesting the use of the union jack I thought. Remember Canada didnt officially have a flag during the war, and we fought under both the red ensign and the Jack- with the ensign as our unofficial official flag for ceremonial purposes.
But, I thought the message was and still is important.
If you may permit a slight editorial comment, at a time when we (Canada) are being seriously mistreated in terms of beef, softwood, potatoes, wheat, tomatoes..etc. I really think its time we made an effort to look for, and ask for, Cdn made goods whenever possible, from potatoes, to wine (!) to tools, ...I ask. This is not a boycott of any other country's products, merely a preference to support my economy. And I dont care if I can get the same thing a few bucks cheaper made elsewhere, I'll pay the extra to keep Cdns employed.
Now that the rant is ended, glad you liked the addition of the sticker
Who's Wall Rug??Er Mart.Never been in the door.As to Canadian,being a Quebecer,everytime we(The Airforce Pipe Band)did jobs in the USA,I was amazed at the number of US flags on all the houses in the local NY State towns.But on vacation two weeks ago here in Eastern Ontario,from Napanee east to Brockville,I was amazed at the number of Canadian flags on all the homes,cars trucks,businesses.Bought three stick-ons myself which I told my daughters that it was contagious.Kudos to Marc on a great magazine issue.
Because of the imminent health of CWO Stewert(Dewey)Williams RCHA up in Ottawa,his younger brother did not broach the subject.
But on old Highway 2 about 2km east of Barriefield Barracks out of Kingston,spotted a long barreled Sherman gate guard on the left side of the road near the Signals camp.Being green & under a drooping Willow tree,almost missed it.There was a thread about a sherman in Kingston disappearing.Maybe this is it.Also,in Maple Grove,east of Beauhornois here in Quebec on HWY 132,spotted a rusty jeep on the right side of the road,minus tires,up on blocks with a split windshield as it was up,& the familiar Jeep grill.No CMP's spotted
CBC Newsworld program"Life & Times" aired last nite on his career on CBC cable 48 here in Montreal..Loads of CMP's in black & white war footage.Showed a closeup of the right side rear of his HUP in Italy.The sign on the side is like Phil Waterman's but it read
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
UNIT # 4
Also lots of close-up of Cab 11's & Ford FGT's coming off LST's.Also lots of Shermans, Chev 15CWT's 30CWT C60's,loads of bren carriers including a rear view of a canvassed topped Lloyd carrier as it passes by.Also British 8th Army long nosed fords in the desert war.
This show will be repeated late at nite between now & Saturday.Check you local listings.Dig out your VHS tapes & get ready to roll.
This has been a public broadcasting announcement.
Watch the parade on Global today & see a wee Heeland drummer in it.Hint-Watch for the Air Force pipeband & look for a drummer in a green Sutherland kilt.Joined them for the fun & THE BEER afterwards.
Old Irish saying
"May ye be a half an hour in heaven before the devil knows you're there"
Happy St.Pats to all
It was in fact in the parade about 5(?) years ago.
Radio Canada Intl really got its start because of the war, with first broadcast in 1945 to the troops overseas (although they'd been some getting stuff from home via recorded programmes played on the Beeb)
Also for several years the Cdn Force Radio was broadcast from RCI when the Muldoon govt closed down the Cdn bases in Germany. (duuuumb)
ANYWAY, while we had the contract my immediate boss, wanted it in the parade, hey as garry says it's green, and so he made up some banners etc. Loaded it up with some staff and (couple cases of liquid) and away we went (darn cold!!! but sunny)
The funniest bits were as the truck idled down St Catherine street at about 1 km per hour with everybody on board I quietly got out of the cab a coupla times and ran ahead to stand in the crowd and wave to my colleagues as they rolled by with no one driving..they actually waved back to me and it didnt really hit them the first time, although there were a couple that got it.. but the second time they all got it, as did the crowd both times- who all got a big laugh.
Great fun, but no budget to do it the next year or every again. I was told RCI couldnt afford a coupla hundred bucks.
Made it home after gallons of irish liquids.Boy,the crowds.Thought of Marc's green monster & what an impact it would have made with a couple of members handing out pamphlets on the club.Gold mine wasted.Oh well,as we irish say"Erin go braless"or whatever they say
Have a green day me lads
Dear Marc, Just to let you know I did receive your previous messages and will be renewing my subscription to your magazine. Sorry I haven`t gotten back to you sooner. Best wishes, Hugh P.s. Still working on the M43 and hoping it will be on the road this year. The work is being done by Dan McCaw and he has other goodies at his place the other subscribers might be interested in., eg. a 1942 Ford 6x4 crash truck to be re-assembled.
i have two shell cases, both 6 pounder,one dated ww1,the other dated 1953.the one from ww1 is much longer than the other,and it bottlenecks slightly. why the difference?does anyone know what the wheel size of a 6 pounder of ww2 vintage would be?
thanks, and cheers!!
Frank Moore of the Ferret Club/Ontario Regiment,RCAC
and Curator of the Oshawa Aeronautical & Military Museum has a WW II 6 Pounder. The wheel sizes are 750/10 ( 10" wheel ). Apparently from inspecting the breech, his gun fired the shells with the taper at the neck. So presumably the shells used in WW II were the same as size as those used in WW I.( Same as the field arty using the 18/25 pdr in 1939)The smaller 6 pdr ones would have been used in the Korean War.( I presume)
....thanks for the response guys. there was a 6 lbr down this way that by all accounts, had been virtually abandoned. i assume it was a static display piece at one time, unfortunately, that was before my time. anyhow, the highway, through the area where it once sat got changed, and the last i saw it , it was sitting, muzzle high in weeds, off in a field. i've been trying to track it down but so far, no luck, so the search continues. anyhow, i have always liked the look of the 6lbr, and got thinking that it may be a good long term project to try and build a 1:1 scale replica of one. i have a set of 13" cmp rims, but since the 6 has smaller ones, i guess i'll have to keep looking for the real thing.herb, keep an eye on your e mail, as i'm sending something i know you'll be interested in...
6 pdr 7 cwt anti-tank gun, so designated as to distinguish it from any number of 6 pdr guns in existance since the 1880s. The 6pdr was developed to replace the 2 pdr anti-tank gun. The necked casing is typical of high velosity quick fire amunition. The 17 pdr the 3.5 and the 88 all had that type of casing.
The 6pdr had primarily disapeared from the Canadian Army for active service by 1950. The Infantry Anti-Tank platoons in Korea were using 17 pdrs (2) and 75 mm recoiless rifles (4) for anti-tank defence. The 6 pdr became obsolete in the British Army in 1960. The 57 mm US Army anti-tank gun was basically a copy of the 6 pdr.
The first Tiger tank to be killed by the British in Afrika was knocked out by a 6 pdr. By the end of the second war the 6 pdr ammo could penetrate 5" of case hardned frontal steel armour or 6.6" of normal armour.
This information comes from my own experiences and some excellent Artillery books written by Ian Hogg.
The other casing is probably from some time prior to WW II.
God I hate to disagree with a gunner they are so blasted obstinate but believe me I was glad to have them on our side because when those DF tasks were coming in I swear I could have reached up and touched them. Cheers Herb.
PBS-Mountain Lake-Channel 46 on cable in Montreal
Just got home from a hockey bet at 10:00PM.Caught the last hour in black & white & in color concerning the war in 1948 between the Arab Legion & Jewish settlers.GOBS of CMP's in black & white plus Sherman's & 25 pounders.It'll probably be on repeatedly.Check your local listings,As usual,"This has been a public Broadcasting Announcement"-GUYS
The major highway between Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem was the sole liveline for Jewish Jerusalem 1948.
This danger strip of black asphalt was called by the Israeli's "Burma Road".
The fallen (some CMP) vehicles lie at the side of the road to this day. Read also the story of the "Jewish
Brigade Group" 1944-1946 on my site http://www.lwdparts.com and visit the historical pics.
RE: Information on 59th "Newfoundland" Regt, (Royal Artillery)
You can find detailed information about the 59th in the book More Fighting Newfoundlanders (Col G.W.L. Nicholson, Government of Newfoundland and Labrador, 1969). Not sure exactly what you are looking for but if you would like to email me I will see if there is anything I can send you.
Just to let you guys know I am parting with my wooden Sherman featured in Convoy issue 2 WHATIZIT . Sure would like to see this stay in Canada, but I have sucumbed to the international trade of CMP'S and all things collectable. A far bit of interest so far. Cheers RobItem # 2164205800
It's all a question of priorities . Just got rid of 16 , 35mm slides of the movie the BATTLE OF BRITAIN issued in 1969 that I purchased as a young man, and are highy collectable. The tank has alot of interest, and the resulting sales just might get me back to Normandy for another visit. Mind you the 3E1 Office Lidsay van I just found will also need some help. Will be dropping it on my F60-S 134" wb.
Bomb is an M4A2 sherman.I thought,& I may be wrong,but the diesel shermans only came on line much after D-Day because the gasoline tanks lit up like "ronson lighters"when they were hit.Comparing the picture of Bomb(Illistration # 19),in the back of Gregg's"Canada's Fighting Vehicles Vol#1,& comparing the picture to the photo on page 26,which is also a Chrysler gas driven sherman.it appears Bomb is a gas driven beamoth.Are there any fellow convoy members out there who can definitely confirm she is gas versus diesel.I've ordered my M4A2 from Tamiya,arrival mid Feb(on backorder)& I think the model is a gas driven tank.Also,all Gregg's tanks pictured have the full dust fenders illistrated,whereas,Bomb is without them.Any explanation??.I've received my Sherbrooke Fusilier decals from Ultracast,which,I must add are very detailed.Input please!!
And Tamiya doesn't make one. M4 and M4A3 only.
I don't think there's one in plastic.
2 CAB had diesels for the whole campaign, but I think they had two sqns of DD Sherman V's on June 6. I could be wrong. Too lazy to look it up.
To get a diesel, you have to piece it together from resin kits. Tank Workshop may have one, CMD maybe also, but may never have come out. Can't quite figure out why no model manufacturer has ever done one. Sure has been asked for often enough!
Diesels were NOT issued to alleviate any problem with the gas Sherman lighting up. Would have been nice to be able to do that, but that's inaccurate info, whereever you got it.
They were issued to certain units due to their dispositions IE: 2 CAB had them, but 4 th Armd didn't.
It was done by formation and unit.
Now that you've convinced me Bomb is a diesel,nobody,Ultracast nor Verlinden,have the diesel accessory engine in stock.What am I supposed to do now,I guess I'll take my C-15 CMP apart & rebuild it to while away the time
But it involves tearing apart several kits.
I believe (now stay with me on this one...) that Italeri some time back issued a kit of a Jumbo Sherman that was supposed to be an M4A3 gas V8, but actually had a diesel engine deck. At least I think that's how it was. You could always hack out the deck and graft it onto a suitable early hull M4. Also rear plate has to be extended downward.
Frankly Gary, I do know my way around Shermans, but rarely build them--I hate painting tank roadwheels...which makes no sense at all, as I'm now working on a an Easy 8 Sherman in Cdn. sevice in Korea, and a Centurion Mark 11...I would suggest you go to the following modelling forum and ask how to build an early M4A2 diesel. Keep the question simple or they'll bury you in details! http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/47208
They advertise the hull but 1)not in stock & 2)$ 36.00.that's almost the cost of my Tamiya sherman.I'm also curious about the 15-CWT(armoured) from Poland.I'd like the input from purchaser.One other question for you.Why are Shermans hard to purchase.US hobby co's have them in stock,but up here,none in stock??!!
I bought the sherman two months ago on line.Still waiting.On back order.Checked other Cdn on line shops,& it's not in stock.I'm sitting here with my Sherbrooke Fusilier decals,also bought on line,waiting for the kit
Nice photo,I guess I'll call off the Signals guy on this one.I'll still remind him on the Three Rivers sherman the next time he goes up to Quebec City on business.Plus the serial number at the rear!!Will that be OK?
Ron the Signals guy told me on the bus that he is expecting to tour media estabishments on behalf of Cdn Press thruout eastern Quebec & will take his digital camera.Hanno,where exactly on the rear of the tank is the serial for Ron to record.I think I recall right rear steel towing loop face, lower down
Thanks Hanno.Read it through.I guess we can't go wrong by telling Ron to check the rear tow points.More than likely they're there unless multiple paint jobs have obliterated them.Ron asks where in T-Rivers is the tank located?I told him its a small town,besides he'll be visiting the local newspaper & if antone knows,they will.Once again,thanks for the help.
Well this will make it three cheers for Marc and Convoy Magazine. As always Marc has done it again with another fine issue, and heck even Chatsworth made it into a National magazine !!! It was a pleasure hosting a joint event with Convoy magazine, and we will be doing it again next year after such a great turnout and great fellowship this past year.
Congratulations are certainly in order for Jeff and Dan Caldwell!!!!!!
What a fabulous time! A large turnout, with members from as far away as Windsor and (me) Montreal!.
Some great rides up and down the sideroad on a very nice and very complete UC.
Great food! Delicious steak dinner (further salutes to Jeff and Christine, augmented by Tanya and Nanci)
And there were some fabulous prizes for attendees
Well over $200 in Canadian military books given away as prizes by Convoy magazine.
Additional prizes were provided by Brian Gough, a signed copy of the Camp X book and an NOS cab 13 cold weather canvas rad muff..(very nice)
All in all probably in the neighbourhood of over 300$ in prizes !!
Some wonderful conversation, a few interesting parts finds and exchanges, but mostly many new friendships begun!
(and how nice to put a face to the names!)
Next big event, the "thank you Canada" tour in Oshawa, and then a little later, the get-together in Acton at John's !! Another fun time to come!
I thought it was wonderful! What about you?
look for some pix on Jeff's site, and watch for some very neat video footage on Rob Groves site.
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On june 25th in 1950, the Korean War began when 240 North Korean tanks crossed the 38th parallel without warning to invade South Korea. The conflict -- which ended July 27th, 1953 -- saw the forces of the United Nations team with those of South Korea
against Chinese Communists
you have risen to new heights with the #3 Convoy publication..
Contact me off line for total price on years subscription plus years advertising fee..Same ad..Same size..
Give me a total price and hop to it..
I'm a busy man...
Glad to see the size increase and I suspect a price increase is due on your pub,so make it quick..I don't want to be hooked for the new increases I suspect are coming...(Sorry Marc..It's the half Scotch and half soda roots talking..)
I have some more material for your rag...er,newspaper.
I will give them to you at the Estate..
Don't want to loose this stuff in the mails and want to talk a bit about the subject material..
Besides ,your lips aren't long enough to drink my whiskey ,if I go to you...
Any time..just let me know when you are coming..
Bring your little friends ...
When i was a really little kid we used to have to sing god save the queen, o canada before class everyday, and sing the maple leaf forever in music class.
oh those politically incorrect times when we were ENCOURAGED to be proud Canadians, SUPPOSED to be proud of our heritage.
anyway, a web search will bring up the lyrics from a number of sites, including a midi version of the whole song. What you hear on CONVOY is just the chorus.
Here are the lyrics below to what should have been our national anthem (much more stirring music than O Canada i think)
LYRICS by ALEXANDER MUIR
In Days of yore,
From Britains shore
Wolfe the dauntless hero came
And planted firm Britannia's flag
On Canada's fair domain.
Here may it wave,
Our boast, our pride
And joined in love together,
The thistle, shamrock, rose entwined,
The Maple Leaf Forever.
The Maple Leaf
The Emblem Dear
The Maple Leaf Forever
God Save Our Queen and heaven bless,
The Maple Leaf Forever.
At Queenston Heights and Lundy's Lane
Our brave fathers side by side
For freedoms home and loved ones dear,
Firmly stood and nobly died
And so their rights which they maintained,
We swear to yield them never.
Our watchword evermore shall be
The Maple Leaf Forever.
Our fair Dominion now extends
From Cape Race to Nootka Sound
May peace forever be our lot
And plenty a store abound
And may those ties of love be ours
Which discord cannot sever
And flourish green for freedom's home
The Maple Leaf Forever.
THE FOURTH VERSE IS USUALLY LEFT OFF
BUT HERE IT IS
On Merry England's far-famed land
May kind Heaven sweetly smile,
God bless old Scotland evermore
And Ireland's Em'rald Isle;
Then swell the song both loud and long,
Till rocks and forest quiver,
God save the Queen, and Heaven bless
The Maple Leaf Forever.
* Alexander Muir was born in Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1830 and came to Canada when he was five years old. He spent his childhood in Scarboro township, York County, and went to Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario, where he graduated in 1851.
He married Agnes Thompson of Scarboro and taught school there until 1860 and then moved to Leslieville. In 1864 his wife died and the following year he married Mary Alice Johnson of Holland Landing.
He taught school in the Yorkville School, later known as Jesse Ketchum School, and at schools in Newmarket and Beaverton before returning to Toronto in 1885 as Principal of Howard Park School, known as Shirley Street School. From there he went to Brock Avenue School and in 1888 when Gladstone Avenue School opened he became its Principal and remained there till his death in 1906.
He was a devoted and active Orangeman and was a Past Master of L.O.L. No. 142 in Toronto. A granite obelisk marks the grave of Alexander Muir in Mt. Pleasant cemetary, Toronto, erected by the Orangemen of Canada.