Great racing this season. Lots of different combinations made it very interesting. This is geared for the people that actually run in the class. Let me know if you are looking for any changes for next season. Just to be upfront, any changes will be moderate.

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Thanks in advance.

Chris Baxter
Race Director

Chris, I would like to see about a 200# drop for sb nitrous there is no way at 2800 # those cars will ever have a chance to go 7.50's and I know eveyone is going to say they can't get that light ,but we need something because all the other rules are wide open, so what else can you give? so along with that I think you should allow unlimited lexon and carbon or glass as long as it is factory appearing . If you look at nmra SSO rules and how fast there going at what weight it would even the playing field greatly, or skip all that and make it a 1/8 mile race. Thanks Mark Motsinger (517)414-6865

Chris, I also agree with Mark Mostinger about Nitous cars needing weight breaks. As you know we have a a big block Nitrous car we feel that we all could be more competitive at around 2900lbs. We cannot run as Mark said 7.50 anything at our current weight which is 3100lbs. I feel that 2900 is not asking for much and the racing would be a little bit more even across the board, it s good for you good for us and great for the fans.

Thanks Matt

I agree with the SB/NOS weight break, not sure if it should be 200#, maybe just 100#. Ricky Fox has been 7.80's at 2700# minimum at MIR. Dustin Newbourne went 4.91 to the 1/8 with 1.14 60' in ORSCA EZ-Street, 2800# min.

It would have to a reduction from the current weight, don't push up the base weight for everyone else, 3400# is borderline on being too heavy anyway. Any cars trying to get this light need to be watched carefully that they still meet all the appearance rules. We want the class to continue to look like finished street cars, not stripped out racers. This means carpet, finished rear seat area if deleted, instrument panel.

I don't agree with BB/NOS needing anymore. Richie Stine has gone 7.48 with BB/NOS/Radials and I don't think that car has ever been under 3300#.

Based on performance of other Nitrous D/R cars around the country it appears that we still haven't seen anyone truly exploit the limits of the rules for nitrous combinations.

-Eric Stratten
1985 Mustang D/R
2009 Rookie Season

Eric, the problem is dustin went 7.80's with a 1.14 60ft and all these blower and turbo cars are going that fast with a 1.30 60ft and they all have the power to go faster, if he had the avereage 60ft (1.20-1.25)that 7.80 would have been a high 7.90-8.00 at best running the crap out of it.
A nitrous sb car will never go 7.50's at 2800# unless a miracle comes down straight from god!now 1/8 mile is another story.

if it aint broke don't fix it !!! if anything look into (I hate to say ) 1/8 mile. I like the lexan and fiberglass Ideas but I don't want to limit where I can race to 1 place. Theres other tracks that are starting to do what milan's doing . I think keeping to rules simiular to other tracks will make it better for the racers that live closer to these other tracks still wanting to race at milan. What I mean is if I can be lighter at milan but I have to be heavier at the track in my backyard why would I want to keep changing my car around to race 3+ hrs. from home. When I can stay near my house and not change a thing? thanks Grove

Engine diapers mandatory

The drag radial rules work. If you change them every year what will that accomplish? Do you believe that changing the rules will bring more racers to the race? Doesn't it stand to reason that the more you change the rules, the more you risk losing the racers? Norwalk has added Drag Radial to their program that mimics the Milan rules. (Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery) If you change the rules drastically it becomes harder for racers to make a car fit both tracks. And rule changes to fit one particular car is only going to make the other drivers bitter.

I may add, that I would also clarify how points are given. And a discussion with drivers and crew chiefs in regards to safety/tech procedures.

Thank you
Karri Anne Beebe
Drag Radial

Your right ,its not broke but it is bent ! Right now there is no way a nos sb will compete in a 1/4 mile race, So do you just say screw it and make a all forced induction race? or do you adjust the rules a little to help the slower cars in the class maybe have a chance of being more than a first round fodder?Racing in this economy is hard enough but to think everyone is going to come out to race without a equal chance at the pot of gold at the end of night is nuts.If we don't care about making things more even let's just call it RWYB radial and let it all hang out!!! IF it's got radials it's racing.

Mark Motsinger

Yes NOS/SB does need a 100# weight break ! I also think a twin turbo small block Should not have to weight more than a big block supercharged car . I think all weights should be under the 25.2 specs . I know that's not going to happen . I think that a twin turbo car should weight 3400# . I also think that glass fenders , doors or what ever it takes to make weight (as long as is looks stock)should be legal for all cars . This is a great class so don't change the rules to much ! No one yet has ran a way with the class , so keep the rule changes to a min . THANKS J.R.

It's pretty clear a sb nitrous car won't run 7.50's or even 7.80's at least from what we've seen so far....

So what's the answer? They already can't get to 2800 for the most part.

All I keep hearing is "you can't get that light" , but if it's not a option it won't matter anyway! So your right what do we do? I think it should be a option and if you have a car that won't get to that weight you better look at a different powertrain, why penalize someone that could that light.
As for glass and carbon and lexon 98 percent of the spectators woudn't know the difference if it were stock appearing(replacment fenders,doors, windows etc) so there would be no loss of class appeal . The bottom line is their is nothing else to give other than weight when the rules are this lose. Thanks Mark Motsinger

s/b nos needs a break for sure.big blk's not so sure the potential is there to go 40's it's already been done so we ajust the rules for a few people and a max effort shows up and it's over.small blk and big blk blower cars need to race at diff weights prob 100 lbs diff a small blk blower car will not make close to the power a big blk will make trust me I know.twin turbo combo's need to be heavy for sure prob at least 3400lbs very small changes if it's not broke don't fix it only ajust the lbs a little over all this is a great class and a great place to race

I have a lot of the facts from this season and last. We are going to try the rules done or a rough draft tomorrow.

All heads up cars are required to have engine diapers. For saftey first most, and downtime.

Chris Baxter
Race Director

As Kari mentioned, Norwalk's rules are similar to Milan's, but they are running currently planning to run 3300# base weight for 2009. I think it would be great if the two tracks could agree on a common set of rules, at least weights, so that people would not have to worry about having two different setups.

I think JR and Junior on right on the mark with their comments. SB/Twins and BB/SC at 3400#, drop base weight to 3300# matching Norwalk, BB/NOS car remain at 3100#. Drop SB/NOS to 2700#. SB/SC run at 3200# or 3250# (??). Push BB/Twins up to 3500#, I don't think this affects anyone that was out in 2008, but there may be one or two under construction. . . . think Tim Lynch's Outlawmotor in a D/R chassis . . .

The two things above that would not match Norwalk would be BB/SC and SB/NOS weights, it would be nice to have the two tracks agree, but not the end of the world if they don't.

You just have to look at what people are running with a small block nitrous combo. Gliddens black car goes 6.90 pretty consistenly and that is at 2300 lbs with a 33x10.5W tire. Sam Vincents car on a 28x10.5 slick goes in the 7.40 to 7.50 range at 2550 (NMRA SSO rules)and he was burning his engine up at about every race. The only thing he would have to do to run Milan is bolt on a set of 315 mickeys. The only way a small block nitrous car in going to run with blowers and turbos is going to be at 2500 lbs. Personal I would like to see at least a 300 lbs drop. BB nitrous at 2900 lbs would not be a bad idea either. I know people are going to think I am nuts asking for 300 lbs drop, but just take a minute to see what few people are running fast with a small block nitrous combo. There is no way in hell a small block nitrous car on radials at 2800 lbs will ever run a 7.38 like Hinzmans car did.

Thanks
Pat Tracy
DR 358

Hinzmans car went 7.18 at Englishtown

hinzman was not at milan weight at shakedown I think a small blk blower and big blk blower need's to be at diff weights and a small blk nos need's help .hopefully sfi take's care of the cert's for us but look's to be to late for this years rule's so what do we do? 7.50 index?let us run past sfI?ajust all weight's for sfI cert? sucks to be rule maker's for sure.regardless we will be their to race and support milandragway. thank's milan for giving us a great place to race.

Actually, by all reports Hinzman was at 3350# at E-Town, which is just at minimum per the Milan 2008 D/R rules. . . . .

Aside from that Junior I agree with you, both turbo and blower big blocks need to run heavier than the small blocks. Twin Turbo Big Blocks should be the heaviest of them all.

We haven't seen a lot of forced induction BB combo's at Milan yet, but the writing is on the wall, and they are capable of running from single turbo/blown small blocks when running at the same weight.

Diapers for sure.A little extra weight on the cars and combos going the big numbers (turbo and blower) to even the field a little. Small blocks should get a weight break to be competitive.Insted of a 2 and a half second spread over the field,adjust to 1 sec. Everyone could have a shot at winning and keep this class from becoming too expensive for all to run. Adding weight instead of taking it off would keep the cost down.
This is a very fun class to run,not to mention its popular with the crowd,like to see it keep growing.

P.S.Add 500 lbs to any pace cars in the field also.
Johnny Rotten

Adding more weight becomes a serious safety issue. Also some early indications that the eventual Heavy/Fast SFI Chassis spec is only going to cover cars up to 3400#. No sense in pushing the weights up only to have the cars not be covered by the new chassis spec that is supposed to fix our classes biggest issue.

BTW, Richie Stine just went 7.44@194 with his BB/NOS Camaro, most likely at Orlando legal weight of 3400#+

i think, a white drag radial mustangs, or guys that have 6 second dragsters, should have 600 pound weight penality, plus buy myself and my crew beer for a year. just my 2 cents. how about 1/8 mile? safer, less oil downs, less stress on parts, faster turn around, no chutes, field closer, just a thought

Wow........the pabst blue ribben is on us for you ALL year long.......warm of corse. Johnny Rotten

It would be nice to see small block blowers get a break over big block blowers. At the same weight there is a 15 mph difference. You have to look to Outlaw 10.5 to find a small block blower at a lot less weight that can compete with the awesome performance of Dave's big block blower car.

Any idea when first cut of the 2009 rules will be posted?

Thanks, looking forward to the 2009 season!