I've got a really sad 2005 Yakima 16 with universal clamps if anyone is interested. It's been on my back porch for too long and it needs a Suby, or other good travel rig under it to bring meaning back to its life. A new one at REI will set you back the better part of 5 big bills and I'd let it go for half of that, cash money, no dickering. I was going to put it on Craigslist but I'd rather see someone here get a better deal. I first tried a 12 but took it right back for the large model. It's in great shape with keys, (double hinges - open either side) and I still have flyer that came with it. Heck, you could biv or maybe even float down a river in it if necessary.