Dang, I am so sorry to hear this about Cliff ! You are right, he gives so much of his self to everyone. I know he has been there to hear me when in need. He knows about this heart thing very well. It has meant alot to me. Prayers coming his way. Maybe he needs to have a replacement of that ICD. I can't say enough good about him. He walked me thru about what to think about me getting a ICD and it calmed my nerves. Keep us up on Cliffs. Brenda |