(Login hazzardm) Missing-Lynx members from IP address 126.96.36.199
This is my M51 modified from the Tamiya kit, uses Tasca HVSS bottom hull and suspension, AFV club track, Tasca bits, lots of scratchbuilding and accurising. Will have a set of ABER M50 PE thrown at it plus Elefant jerry can holders and AA cans.
As I am working in Italy for a couple of months I brought it with me along with my airportable modelling kit as it gives me something to do in the evening.These pics were taken in my rented apartment table!! sorry about the quality.
will post updates as they come along
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(Login mikemummey) Missing-Lynx members 184.108.40.206
Re: M51 (1973) WIP
June 24 2012, 1:58 PM
Howdy Mark, you have done a great job of piecing that jigsaw puzzle of different parts and styrene together. The only thing that jumps out at me is the right armored cover on the engine deck appears to be crooked. I look forward to seeing more of your progress and the final painted product.
Outta here, Mike sends . . .
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(Login hazzardm) Missing-Lynx members 18.104.22.168
June 24 2012, 2:31 PM
actually the armoured covers are just placed there, I have to build the mesh screens over the apertures yet and left my mesh in the UK!!
I have been planning this model for over 20 years, I originally started building a master for AA then the DML kit came out, hence the correction set!. I got together all the bits and measurements to build one from the DML operation Cobra M4A1 but when Tamiya did theirs it saved a lot of time and work.I am binning all the Tamiya stowage and scratchbuilding the lot or using PE parts. The barrel is the Eduard SU100 barrel, its just perfect and with a little care takes the muzzle brake
I reckon Ive seen just about every surviving M51 there is starting in 1988, in the UK, America, Israel, Russia and Holland, plus lots of other generic bits on other IDF shermans (just ask Tom G!), so IDF shermans are not puzzling to me. I even came up with the hull batch numbering system (didnt know about batch 0 then, ie M51 with a radial, you never stop learning)
Ive spotted a few things on M51s that no one else has yet noticed including Dr M, so keep them peeled for when this starts to come together. Glad you like it so far
now isnt the AMPS theme next year US Civil War Generals......
This message has been edited by hazzardm from IP address 22.214.171.124 on Jun 24, 2012 2:50 PM This message has been edited by hazzardm from IP address 126.96.36.199 on Jun 24, 2012 2:49 PM
I really dont understand what you want to say by that, and what is your motivation to brag by saying
"Ive spotted a few things on M51s that no one else has yet noticed including Dr M"
If you refer to me by say that you notice things that even me (Dr M) dont notice, than I can only say well dont be sure on that, I know many things on the IDF Shermans including the M51 and other armor of IDF that you even not dream of. The only difference between me and you is that I dont brag like you and fill the internet with mistakes like you regarding the IDF, BUT in contrast to you I documenting the IDF Shermans and other IDF tanks history systematically and accurately and correct many mistakes that fake "IDF experts" like you did over the years because you think that if you visit Israel from time to time and stand near IDF tank it make you an expert, or because you have ex IDF Jeep.
Back to M51 and other Shermans, every thing about them will be published in 20 volumes of Lioness and Liones of the Line that are planed in which vol 1, 2 5 and 6 been already published. I suggest you go back and read them again, so you will continue to learned from real expert.
By the way I am surprised that you dont use the Accurate Armor Muzzel brake on your M51 since all this years you insist that it is most accurate and the correct size since you did the master, bla bla bla......
We say in Hebrew "that the donkey is the one that jump first" so that what I can say to you after reading your post.
(Login hazzardm) Missing-Lynx members 188.8.131.52
a little harsh I feel
June 26 2012, 3:40 AM
Research is an ongoing issue, at the time I presented my data and made the AA parts it was based on the best research available, that has now been superceded. I dont claim to be the definitive expert on this subject, just an interested (unpaid) amateur.
This is not the place to discuss any disagreements.
(Login thomas_ant) Missing-Lynx members 184.108.40.206
Re: M51 (1973) WIP
June 27 2012, 7:32 AM
Good to see the work of a fellow IDF modeler, the M-51 is my all-time favorite as well
Could you please elaborate a little on, why, you have chosen the various parts from the kits, you have used? Its pretty obvious, you have assessed the kits, but I would like to hear your opinion on the various bits and pieces, why you find one better than the other?
Have you btw found any pictures, which document, the IDF used the peculiar cast hull of the Tamiya kit?
Regarding references, then I made this article more than ten years ago. Other than the fact, that I also did not know about "Batch 0" (Continental petrol engine), it should be reasonably accurate.
MJH (Login hazzardm) Missing-Lynx members 220.127.116.11
June 27 2012, 8:10 AM
The parts are very simple really, the model is going to be composed of two basic kits
turret, hull top from Tamiya M51, because it's the best M51 turret there is and the hull is easy to clean down to the basic shape and redetail using Tasca or scratchbuilt parts. I prefer to use seperate parts rather than moulded on, as you can get the correct undercuts etc without moulding compromises. Given the somewhat dodgy detail on a lot of IDF kits (the Tamiya M51 is very nice though) I only trust my own pics and dimensions for components.
Lower hull and HVSS are from Tasca, because all the reviews indicate that it's the most detailed HVSS set there is, plus the lower hull from the M4A3E8 has all the right cut outs and mounting positions for the suspension units. I intend to modify at least one HVSS unit to a different standard just to be different
Currently the nose is Tasca although I may be able to use a DML intermediate one if I can track one down.
Track will be the AFV Club stuff, cos I like a challenge and always prefere indy link rather than vinyl track
I will be using quite a lot of the ABER M50 set cos it has all the seperate handles and clasps but may use some other PE HVSS track guards.
Elefant Jerry can holders are fab (but unobtainable, luckily I bought every set I could find of all the types when I heard they were going bust) and the AA cans are correct cos I made them!!
I havent tracked down any specific pics of the hull type, it's a very subtle difference in any case and easy to miss. Given the source of M51 components it is a reasonable assumption that some got the Israel.
Markings will probably be stencils or Elefant ones.