Truth about Kosovo (no login) from IP address 212.124.160.3
Albanian tried to burn mosque in south of Serbia near Kosovo.Do you know why he tried to burn his own mosque?!!!It's the same
scenario like one about Serbian boy and his "evil" dog who was drawning Albanians.If he do that Serbs will be guilty for
that,and that would be background for revolting of Albanians.Then Albanians would have background for burning serbian houses
and churches.I will tell you name of that albanian,soon.
Author
Reply
matt (no login) 208.20.119.89
frame-up
March 22 2004, 9:23 PM
I am not surprised. Please find the report with date and place. That's what happened twice at the Markale market, and also at the bread line bombing in Sarajevo.In small-time police work that's called a frame-up. Serbs seem to be targets for large scale frame-ups. Starting a war on the basis of a fake atrocity is a time-honored tradition in Western countries. Which gives us an extra good reason why we should never tolerate attacks on mosques, a reason why we should be ready to shoot into a crowd of thugs that want to burn a mosque or a church. You only have to do it once. After that, burning mosques or churches becomes an uncool thing to do.
That story about Grandfather saving some US fliers, you should write down the original story if he is still alive.
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 212.124.160.3
Re: frame-up
March 23 2004, 5:16 PM
He was brutaly slaughtered whith my grandmother in Obilic near Pristina in 2000. by Albanians.Do you now understand point?
matt (no login) 208.20.95.69
Grandparents
March 23 2004, 5:54 PM
I understand. I respect your feelings. It's natural for you to hate Albanians, but hate makes us weak.
Most important, remember that this would not have happened if Washington had not financed Albanian nationalists. Serbs, Moslems, and Croats would live in peace in one country, if Berlin had not financed the Croat neo-Nazis. Find the financier, that's your true enemy.
The list of the Dead and Missing in Kosovo is not complete. See if your grandparents are on the list and if there is a picture of them. If you have details about their life and death, if you have a photo, send them in.
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 212.124.160.3
Re: Grandparents
March 24 2004, 5:22 PM
@ Matt
Thanks for undertstanding but you are wrong in one.I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING BUT I'M NOT
HATEING THEM,I JUST WONT JUSTICE.It's hard,but i'am trying to don't be subjective,this is
real.I must say that my grandparents were not hurting enyone,never.They were civilians.They
didn't wonted to flee from Kosovo,from their homes.They stay there for 2 years when
eveyones were fleeing.My grandfather was saying:"I did not hurted enyone,there's no reason
to enyone hurt me".On their house bomb was shooted several times,they had metal plates on
windows?!!!Albanians were trying to burn house several times.And finaly,one day,my
grandmother was preparing cakes for Sweden soldiers (i think that they were Swede.I just
know that they were very good people.My grandparents loved them and Swedes were allways
helping if they could.) and nearly 40 Albanians intruded into their house...You know what
hapened after.Do you know what is the reason for that murder,first They were Serbs (like
Jews in WW2),second they didn't wont to leave everything what they were making for whole
life,they didn't wont to go out of Kosovo.Do you know how many inocent Serbs killed by
Albanians?I was reading on this forums your post where you say that Serbs are dissapiring
because they were hating everyones,and that hate destroyed them.This is totaly untruth.I
wouldn't say that you lied,cause I don't think that,I just will say that you don't know
what's hapened on Balkan.I know that propaganda do that.When tomorow Albanians attack
Macedonia,Greeks,would you say that Macedonians and Greeks are evil,too,and that hate
destroyed them?And finaly you must know history of Europe,Balkan and Serbia to say anything
on this theme.SERBIA WAS NEVER BEEN INVADER,SERBIA WAS IN WAR NEARLY 14 TIMES FOR LAST 150
YEARS AND ALLWAYS LIKE DEFENDER.
matt (no login) 208.20.95.99
grandparents
March 24 2004, 8:52 PM
I was not talking about your grandparents or the thousands of Serb and others who got killed in Kosovo by Clinton's boys. I was talking of Serb superpatriots in Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo who blew up mosques and made it possible for the propaganda machine of the West to present Serbs as the forces of darkness.
So are your grandparents on the list?
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 212.124.160.3
Re: grandparents
March 25 2004, 2:54 PM
Yes I think that they are on the list.UN Police was "investigating" case.
matt (no login) 208.20.119.86
Are they listed?
March 25 2004, 9:48 PM
I mean the Serbs and Minorities List published on this site. What about a photo? If possible, their photo in their house or in front of it. Without a photo, no one outside your family will ever know they ever lived or died.
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 212.124.160.3
Re: Are they listed?
March 26 2004, 10:50 AM
Yes,I have a fotos,but what can I do?
(no login) 83.108.86.56
Re: grandparents
November 9 2006, 12:50 PM
U are talking bullshit matt! albanians ? burn their own mosques?! LOL! hahahhahahhaha dude think again! why should they kill their own buildings? fuck you man, fuck you! your a real asshole man.. WHAT THE FUCK ARE U TALKING ABOUT MAN?! albanians burned churches! and serbs burned mosques! so shut up. u know that as well as i do! LIOR thats all u are. U use time and write a long story, very nice writing and good spelling! but the stories are bullshit. many of them! wtf u trying to say?!?! u sound like the serbians were victims at all wars!
Ps: Stop digging up lies.
(no login) 83.108.86.56
Re: Grandparents
November 9 2006, 12:46 PM
well, im sorry for ur grandparents.. but you think your parents were the only civilian victims? Albanian and serbian were neighbours and friends.. the neighbours startet to kill them! my grandad told me that hes neighbour told him, if your not away from here we kill you! and trust me, in the war of kosovo.. it was albanians who were the victims, serbians too, but most albanians.. even u matt gotta agree with this!
(no login) 193.77.159.2
Oh my
March 26 2004, 2:54 PM
Markale, framed? LOL back to Serb propaganda are we?
matt (no login) 208.20.119.53
Yes, frame-ups.
March 26 2004, 9:55 PM
TaK, on the front page of Kosovoforum.net there is an e-mail button. Send in the names, age, date of the event, all details you can think of, and the photo. If you are familiar with others who were killed or damaged, send in any details you have. Publishing this kind of data is the only way we can counteract the frame-up against Serbia organized in Washington.
By the way, it's not that they hate the Serbs, or the Roma, or the Shia, or the Kurds, or the Timorese, or the Palestinians, or the Abkhazians, or the Chechens. They bomb because they are in the war business. They wanted a war in Europe to give a purpose to NATO. That's the main reason why they attacked Yugoslavia. They figured that in Belgrade there was a weak government and that they could get away using salami tactics on Serbia, one slice at a time. Otherwise they would have started the next war war somewhere else.
Most French, Canadian, or British soldiers do not hate Serbs. When they saw that a Serb mortar could not have caused the massacre, they said so. The reports of a few honest NATO officers, that's how we know that Markale and BreadLine were frame-ups.
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 212.124.160.3
Re: Yes, frame-ups.
March 27 2004, 6:37 AM
Yes,I know that Markale was frame-up,Racak was,too.Serbian police was killed nearly 100 terrorists in village Racak in Kosovo.They were real terrorists.In Racak they had training camp.Walker's people (USA and British spiuns whose were working in OSCE) dressed that terrorists into wear of village people 1 hour after police was gone.OSCE then said that police was killing civilians.They hadn't time and they made mistakes.First they were all men.Scientists found that they were shooting before die.And finaly,this civilian clothes hadn't holes of bullets.It was many arguments but nothing.
Albanians were trying to repeat Markale,but police recognized their plan.They were trying to go in north Mitrovica (Serbs live in northern part of the city) to shoot from mortars on Albanians who lives in south Mitrovica.Serbs would be guilty again.
Blaz (no login) 193.77.159.2
Oh please Matt...
March 27 2004, 12:47 PM
And Arkan, Mladic, Karadzic, Martic and their paramilitary forces (butchers) and Srebrenica and all those victims of their policy and killings were just part of our imagination that never happened..
Okkkkk....
matt (no login) 208.20.95.68
LOL?
March 27 2004, 7:07 PM
I didn't say that. Blaz said that. Once NATO gangsters got Yugoslavs killing each other, local folks got drunk and did some awful stuff to each other, just like Italians, Slovenians, French, Turks, Koreans, and even nice Vietnamense do in wartime. Croats and Moslems started the ethnic cleansing and killing, Serbs continued it. No denials. My charge is that whenever NATO needed a crisis for a UN vote or a NATO decision, an atrocity, usually a self-bombing, was produced "just on time".
I guess I have to admit being an old geezer, I am totally dated and out of touch. I have no idea what this LOL means. Look out Lou? Last on Line? Lazy old Loser? Lox on Lard? Lard on Lox?
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 66.213.106.237
I WAS WRONG WHAT I JUST SAID <:(
March 30 2004, 4:44 PM
IT WAS SERBS WHO BURNED DOWN HOUSES FIRST IN KOSOVO
SORRY GUYS
SERBIA IS ASKING FOR ANOTHER LOSING WAR
the truth is out there (no login) 66.213.106.237
Re: I WAS WRONG WHAT I JUST SAID <:(
March 30 2004, 5:25 PM
Nations can be induced to or can be forced to give up territory. But every nation has some land of symbolic value that it cannot give up, unless it is crushed first. Even then, the giving up of symbolic land is temporary, and irredentism starts, which will bring back an even bloodier war, sooner or later. You cannot expect Israel to give up Jerusalem even under threat of death and extinction. Could it be true that the Serbs' feelings for Kosovo are of such a nature? The western press has tried to minimize such feelings. An example is the Reuters report from Belgrade, dated March 17, which seems to suggest that folks probably went to a government-organized rally for Kosovo because they got a day off and a free trip. A very sensible conclusion, why else go to a boring rally , where you have to listen to and applaud patriotic speeches? But here comes the clincher: "Outside on the street, people went about their business, immune to the patriotic fever inside." A rational person would conclude from reading the article that the people of Yugoslavia do not really care that much about Kosovo, and that their patriotism is a matter of convenience, easy to be turned off or on. A person who is as ignorant of the history of this region as western editors and western leaders are, would rationally conclude the the Belgrade government is just waiting to to have its arm twisted a bit , that it might put up some pro-forma resistance and then quit. An extremely dangerous conclusion. Everything I have read about this country suggests otherwise. Every person I have spoken to, without exceptions, speaks of Kosovo in terms similar to what Israelis say about Jerusalem. There is no Israel without Jerusalem, and there is no Serbia without Kosovo. The Serbs would have to be crushed by fire before they give it up. Fear of fire is insufficient. Everyone here says that if Milosevic tried to give up Kosovo he would be overthrown faster than Prince Paul's government, when he signed the Tripartite Pact with Germany in 1941.
Serbs have a national tradition of doing crazy things. In 1914 they could not accept that ultimatum from the Austro-Hungarian empire, even though it was backed by the German Empire, they were pretty much surrounded by enemies, had no access to the sea, and their only friends were very far, in St. Petersburg. In 1941 at the height of Hitler's power, when European leaders were rushing to Berlin with hat in hand to see what the leader of the master race desired--a non-aggression treaty, some nice new special law for the Jews, maybe some iron ore, or unhindered passage for German forces--Belgrade challenged Hitler. It was utter madness, and they paid for it. In 1948, when there was still great hostility between Yugoslavia and the western nations, so that no help could be expected from the west in case of war, Belgrade challenged the mighty Soviet Union. Stalin had said, "I will shake my little finger and Tito will fall." It did not happen, and Stalin was smart enough not to step into the Balkan quicksands. The Serbs' feelings and their history speak quite clearly: if NATO wants Kosovo, it will have to go to war to get it.
Fortunately there are alternatives to war. Since neither Serbs nor Albanians are wrong in Kosovo, since both sides are moved by perfectly rational fears, western countries should intervene as mediators, not as cops, who suffer from a tendency to decide that the guy who talks back is the bad guy. Impartial intervention years ago, before all this blood was shed, could have obtained an agreement on a bicameral parliament, with a nationality chamber in which each nation had veto rights. Now it is too late for that. The only possible solution is the Palestinian solution. Partition. In the case of Palestine, everyone, except for religious fanatics, recognizes that partition was the only sensible solution in 1948 and that partition of the territories conquered by Israel in 1967 will be the only possible solution. Land for peace. If Israel wants peace it has to give up land, not to some weak and humiliated "Palestinian entity", but to a Palestinian state. That's partition.
The Israelis have not as yet fully accepted the "land for peace" solution. It will not be easy to persuade the Yugoslavs to accept it. The means of persuasion have to be the same ones which are normally used in normal diplomatic negotiations, by normal diplomats, not big stick diplomats. Give and take. Incentives. There are no demands that NATO bomb Israel to persuade it to compromise. The condition of Palestinians in Lebanon in 1982, after the Israeli invasion, was much worse than that of Albanians in Kosovo today. In Palestinian refugees camps the killing started after the the PLO soldiers left the area. The victims were in excess of one thousand in a couple of days. No fighting was involved, children were killed, but NATO did not consider bombing Israel.
In Racak, after a day of heavy fighting which included mortars on the KLA side and artillery on the Yugoslav side, forty-five villagers were found dead. A number of reports suggest that this was not a massacre but a case of rearranging battle dead in order to make it appear a massacre, with the intent of creating a casus belli, an excuse to go to war.. This is a kinder variant of the Islamic Bosnian government penchant for bombing its own markets and bread lines in order to garnish western sympathy and air support.
Compare the reaction of NATO countries to a very doubtful atrocity in Kosovo and a very obvious atrocity in Lebanon. In Kosovo, indignation, followed by bombing threats. In Lebanon, an offer of peacekeepers, followed by intervention on the side of those who had committed the massacre. U.S. behavior in Lebanon could be justified on the basis of supporting old trusted allies and opposing their enemies. U.S. behavior in Kosovo, involving support of a terrorist organization, is in contempt of every international law on the book, and is particularly odd since it goes against recognized American interests, and in contempt of geopolitical realities. Staggering is the level of ignorance shown by NATO policy makers regarding Balkan history and present realities. The Balkans tremble, dumbstruck in horror, as sophomoric apprentice wizards set about casting powerful spells, the very spells which in the past have been sufficient to materialize out of thin air, that wondrous chimaera, religious war.
THE FUTURE BALKAN WARS
Yugoslavs fear that war will resume in Bosnia when the Moslems feel they are strong enough. In view of the persecutions they were subjected to in the seventies and eighties during the years of Albanian autonomy they believe that autonomy means expulsion of all minorities from Kosovo. They believe that even if they had the option of giving up Kosovo there would still be demands for the Sanjak and for pieces of Montenegro. They fear that ethnic cleansing of the Serbs still in Croatia could resume and that the western nations would not object to it, just as they did not raise a finger when hundreds of thousands of Serbs were expelled just a few years ago, with generally recognized US government complicity. They feel that they are being asked to give up all of Kosovo for nothing. An odd negotiating position for NATO to take. A rational proposal would be giving up some of Kosovo for peace. Not just peace in Kosovo, but peace and security throughout the territory of the Second Yugoslavia.
Western policy makers and editors, in their abysmal ignorance of the Balkans, think that the issue is just one of Serb versus Albanian. They are totally unaware of the fact that the multiethnicity of the Second Yugoslavia has been transferred to the Third Yugoslavia, where Serbs, Montenegrins, Albanians, Hungarians, Romany, Croats, Turks, Slavic Moslems, Jews and other minorities still perfectly coexist, at least in all areas not as yet chosen by western leaders for destabilization. Many Albanians, Croats and Slavic Moslems live in Belgrade, without suffering any trace of oppression. The same cannot be said about Kosovo, where western money--obtained through the drug trade, donations from Albanian emigrants, and western assistance--has pushed the most chauvinist Albanian ideologists to the fore. Besides the Serbs, all Albanians and Romany who may be seen as uncooperative with the local KLA faction are killed, and all Kosovo minorities live in fear. A rational solution of the Kosovo problem would involve the peaceful partition of Kosovo, with western cash helping the resettlement of the people to the areas of their choices. Most Albanians would choose to reside in Albanian control areas, but many would choose to remain in Yugoslavia. Their motives would be family or professional ties to Yugoslavia, fear of the organizations supported by the west, or unwillingness to relocate from Serb control areas. Once such solution is accepted for Kosovo, it will automatically become the solution of choice for Macedonia.
The only alternative is war in Macedonia. Macedonians believe that after Kosovo is in the bag, they are next. They fear that the American umbrella will not help them one bit against Albanian guerrilla activities or terrorism. They see war coming, a war that might spread to the Greek minority in Albania and the Turkish minority in Bulgaria, thus involving the whole Balkan peninsula in warfare. So the time to negotiate is before the war starts. Once it starts in Macedonia, there will be victims, there will be atrocities, and compromise will be harder to achieve. When Serbs and Macedonians, just like the Israelis, say that their borders are not negotiable, they are following normal human behavior, based on territorial instinct. The job of western diplomacy should be to convince them that a territorial compromise is in their interest, that a rational demographic policy would support partition, that the economic advantages of partition would be great, and that economic integration would soon make the new borders much less important. Today European borders are open. Usually you do not have to stop at the border, usually you just slow down. The oppression of minorities which was normal in Europe 40 years ago is today unthinkable. People change country without difficulty. Such is a future which western diplomats should be offering to the Balkan countries. Instead, western "diplomats" have just bombs in the briefcase, and instead of economic incentives there is a stream of insults directed at the men with whom they have to negotiate, and threats, directed of course against only one of the parties.
Moreover, such "diplomacy" ignores the realities of the ground. Thus it supports Albanian nationalism in Kosovo but denies it in Macedonia while it simply ignores Slav nationalism anywhere. It is as if these western rulers had received their training on video games, where nothing can happen which is not in the program. They wrote the program, thus only what they expect to happen can happen. Just as some young people can become lost in Dungeons and Dragons or in a computer game and actually come to accept directions for the real world from a fantasy, so have western rulers come to believe the fantasy world they have created.
THE LOGIC OF WAR
People here keep asking me how could the US be orchestrating the rise to power, in Kosovo, of an organization that is currently engaged in placing bombs at the market and in tossing grenades into coffee houses. I have to answer that long term solutions and long term possible damage do not concern the rulers of the west. The objective of western diplomacy has been the achievement of "feel good" victories, good enough to hold us until the next election. "Apres nous le deluge," as King Louis XV of France said. "After us, let the deluge come." A catastrophic error was made in Afghanistan, where the US gave massive aid to groups which in the 1970's specialized in shooting in the legs women in western dress and now are attacking American embassies. Yet President Carter and President Reagan are not blamed for creating modern Islamic extremism with their misguided Afghanistan policies. Thus President Clinton may trust that his Balkan policies will not be challenged by American historians. The thinking of the adepts of gunboat diplomacy today is the same as it was 100 years ago: we must show that it does not pay to disobey Washington, we cannot afford to lose face. The thinking of the rulers has not changed since the Trojan war. Einstein wrote that everything has changed except the way in which our minds work. The threat of nuclear war is ignored. The threat of terrorism is ignored. The threat of regional destabilization is ignored.
The history of the world is a history of threats, actions, and reprisals punctuated by occasional periods of diplomacy. In periods of diplomacy we follow Aristotelian logic, during the rest of history we follow an ancient system of logic called "paleologic" by the psychiatrist Silvano Arieti. Paleologic is the logic that humans often make use of, for example in dreams, in early childhood, under the spell of certain mental diseases, and in time of conflict, whether it be conflict between spouses, brothers, clans, or nations. The finest , most cultured, practical, and sensible people start acting like hostile drunks in time of conflict. Paleologic makes us very sure of ourselves, makes us take risks that would be unacceptable under Aristotelian logic, makes us accept conclusions that everyone outside the conflict sees as totally insensate. A person, a general, a president working under the spell of paleologic is absolutely sure of victory. Success appears then inescapable, and a man sees nothing odd in pulling the trigger during a little bout of Russian roulette. Paleologic deprives us of our ability to use our human advanced skills, such as diplomacy, in favor of more primitive ones, such as threats and violence. Paleologic blocks advanced feelings like shame and guilt and it enhances primitive feelings like fear of people we do not know--such as those evil people across the creek who are well known to consort with demons-- and the fear of losing face. Diplomats whose brain is working in paleologic mode make public threats while Aristotelian diplomats privately point out to their opponents the disadvantages of their position. Paleologic diplomats lead their countries to war because they turn disagreements into matters of face.
Going back to the issue at hand, paleologic does not allow western nations to realize the absurdity of the gambles they are taking, nor their guilt and responsibility in the destruction of the second Yugoslavia, the start and prosecution of the war in Bosnia, the expulsion of more than half million of Serbs, and the beginning of the war in Kosovo. In the same way, paleologic does not allow the Serbs to see their own faults. Serbs have suffered violence and oppression at the hands of Albanians, and paleologic tells them, "We are victims, thus we cannot be oppressors." Serbs do not believe that their forces have been involved in violence and oppression against Albanians. As a neutral observer, I believe otherwise. I know of the atrocities committed by the Albanians against the Serbs since the 1970's and I expect that the Serbs, in the course of this guerrilla war, have been answering in kind. War cannot fail to increase the level of brutality, it has always done so, and I do not see any reason to expect that it will be different in this coming war.
I expect that NATO leaders, having made public threats, afraid of losing face, will take us to war. NATO intervention will result in generalized ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, with the Serbs and the Albanians burning each other's villages. However, since the Serbs are militarily stronger, the Albanians will suffer most. Albanians are terrified of what may happen if NATO starts bombing. The most experienced amongst western reporters here are also very pessimistic, but they know that their editors do not want to give prominence to negativism, at the beginning of a crusade: crusades sell newspapers. The only people who are not worried at all are western leaders and generals we see on CNN. They do not mind betting the farm on the idea that their ultimatum will bring peace: the farm they are betting belongs to someone else
matt (no login) 208.20.119.65
Who's Who?
April 2 2004, 8:07 AM
On the "Respond to this message" panel there is a "Your name" line, and a "Message Title" line. Please don't confuse the two, don't put the name of the people you are answering to, in the box where your name ought to go.
matt (no login) 208.20.119.65
Who started burning houses?
April 2 2004, 8:17 AM
The question of who started burning houses, historically, allows us only one answer: the Albanians, raiding the Serb areas in the 1800's. Of course, it's argued that the Albanians were always there, and that the Slavs pushed them aside in the seventh century. Problem is, there is no historical evidence of the Illyrians being Albanian. Other problem, Kosova is a translation of Kosovo, not viceversa.
But all this is irrelevant. What counts is that there was peace and total equality between all nations in Serbia, until when some guys, remembering the good old days of the Skanderbeg division of the Waffen SS, began a small scale campaign of terror against their Serb neighbors, to force them to leave. That started in the 1960's, and Belgrade tolerated it.
After Bob Dole got paid by Albanian nationalists, the West began to finance them. Belgrade proposed partition, but Washington turned it down. George Bush promised bombing "if there was trouble in Kosovo", and the first organized ethnic cleansing took place during the UCK offensive of 1998.
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 212.124.160.6
Re: Who started burning houses?
April 2 2004, 5:26 PM
Hey,are you crazy?Your tragic stories (fictions) are out of date and worned.I will show real pictures,with names and dates,of masacred Serbs and their houses and churches.Your time is gone,truth is unhiden.Everyone now knows that albanians were killing not just Serbs,Gipsies and Albanians wich wanted life in peace with Serbs,too.
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 212.124.160.6
Re: Re: Who started burning houses?
April 2 2004, 6:41 PM
I wrotte previus message to answer on post of guy who was subscribing like me.
I'm affraid that general war will come.World don't understand that Albanians are like virus.When mad dog(albanians) jump on you to kill you,you can't negotiate with him.You can't negotiate with mad dog,you must deffend.People from west can't understand that negotiation will not help,because Albanians don't want negotiations,they want Kosovo as republica.With this state war is pending.And this war will not be just on Kosovo betwen Serbs and Albanians,this will be Balkan war between Serbs,Macedonians,Greeks against Albanian terrorists.
Sverige (no login) 213.46.207.139
Re: Yes, frame-ups.
May 29 2005, 5:07 PM
YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPED MEN...YOU CALL TERRORIST CHILDREN WOMEN AND OLDPEOPLE???YOU ARE A BIG ASSHOLE, TERRORIST IS SOMEONE LIKE IN PALESTINA, DID SOME ALBANIAN ATTACKED BELGRADE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE???NOOO, SO WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, WORLD KNOWS WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WAS FOUND IN RACAK AND THEY KNOW THAT THE KILLER WAS SERBIAN TERRORIST ARMY...IF YOU WANNA CALL UCK TERRORIST, HOW COMES THAT UCK IS OFFICIAL KOSOVO ARMY????AND ABOUT THAT JUSTICE, WELL IF ALBANIANS WAIT FOR JUSTICE FOR ALL THAT KILLED PEOPLE, I THINK THAT LOTS OF SERBIAN TERRORIST KILLERS WOULD GO TO JAIL FOR LIFE.
WHO THE FUCK IS VICTIM HERE?
KILLERS GOES TO HELL!
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 66.213.106.237
Re: Albanian tried to burn mosque
May 2 2004, 5:43 PM
serbs did start it (((again its in FACTS---))))
just read it
Pristina, March 21, 1999 (no login) 66.213.106.237
Re: Albanian tried to burn mosque
May 2 2004, 6:34 PM
Pristina, March 21, 1999
Pristina, a small town of 10,000 in 1945, has grown into a modern city of 300,000, losing its beauty in the process,with the stupidity of serbs. another victim of urban renewal. Behind the Grand Hotel, where the world press and TV crews and their hopefully bulletproof vehicles congregate, rises a sports center, an evil-looking thing whose roof is crossed by gigantic copper-colored earthworms. In the next star wars movie this could be cast as the imperial palace-or tomb. Thousands of crows congregate here, swooping about the spires of the Darth Vader mausoleum.
At the hotel, into the smoke-filled halls of the Media Center rushes a young reporter, to file her story. She is quite out of breath, and must be known for her daring, because other reporters seem concerned that she may be taking too many chances, under combat conditions. She has just saved a child, lost or wounded, I can't hear. The soldiers allowed her to take the child across their lines. A European reporter, who has seen quite a few conflicts, comments: "Very clever. The KLA goes on the offensive. The Serbs fire back. The refugees pour out. Some children are hurt. We must go in and save them. The old baby trick."
Of course. Now I recall, it was tried in 1975. Hundreds of Vietnamese children, orphaned or separated from their parents during the chaotic retreat to Saigon, were grabbed and shipped off to the U.S. The Ford administration hoped that out of compassion for the lost children, a mood to "do something" could be created and that the congressional ban on U.S. military action could be put aside. It did not work then. This time, in 1999, it seems to be working.
Outside, in the streets and coffeehouses, people are tense and worried. A Serb tells me that his good neighbor, an Albanian, has warned him that the KLA wants all Albanians to be home before 7pm, so that all who are still out may be considered fair targets. Obviously a paranoid person. Nevertheless, I have noticed that since December 14, all seven attacks on coffeehouses have taken place after 6:59pm. The method is either to spray the patrons with automatic fire from the doorway or to toss in a hand grenade. Four of the attacks were on Serb establishments, one was intended for a pro-government Albanian. The two cases of attacks afford to pay well its soldiers, and it can upon Albanian coffeehouses were either revenge actions by Serbs or feuds amongst Albanians. There has been conflict between KLA factions. All of the five random bombings, in which explosive devices were placed at the market or in garbage cans, were obviously Albanian jobs, since the Serbs have nothing at all to gain from a strategy of tension. They showed on television a clip of a British mercenary giving instruction in bomb making to a KLA student . The KLA is a wealthy organization which can also afford to pay very well western or islamic mercenaries.
STALINIST (no login) 62.254.128.5
IMPERSONATING SKUM !!!
June 18 2004, 3:27 PM
SOMEONE IMPERSONATING "THE TRUTH ABOUT KOSOVO" DIRTY FUCKING ALBANIAN SKUM THIS IS THE SORT OF DIRTY SHIT YOU PEOPLE DO !!! BOSNA,CROATIAN,SLOVENIAN, WAR WAS NOT STARTED BY SERBS NETHER WAS KOSOVO YOU AND MUSLIMS AND CROATS DREW FIRST BLOOD. AS THE TRUTH PUT IT !!!!!
HANDS OFF SERB LAND !!!!!
CCCC
Mr. Balkan (no login) 81.165.148.226
OHA
June 19 2004, 7:32 PM
HELLO THERE MR STALINIST!!
I guess you are russian probapbly. An old russian who misses the CCCP. The war in the Yugoslav republic was started simply because the other ethinicities, slovenes, croats, bosniaks and kosovars were fed up with Serbian opression. Milosevic WAS A MORON, and idiot nationalist, a war criminal, and a ruthless SOB along with his WIFE AND MAFIA FAMILY who ruined everything that TITO had accomplished. The ppower corrupted him. He serioulsy damaged the region and SERBIA as well brainwashing the SERBS and sending them into a state that is now hard to recover from. During the BOSNIAN WAR, SERBS commited horrible attrocities of war killing men, women and children just becasue they could. THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT people were killed just because some idots bought into the propaganda of MILOSEVIC. KOSOVO is not SERBIAN. SERBS settled in the AREA much later afte THE ILLYRIANS, the present day Albanians. YOU don't know anything about the region so keep quiet and listen. It's true some serbs have been innocently killed and been done wrong in Kosovo, but thats a consequence of the ETHNIC HATE they planted to begin with. BOSNIA is a runied country bevause of SERB AND CROAT radicalism. I think everyone deserves a second chance, but not with stupid idiot remarks like give bak serbian land or watever. Soon Montenegro is going to leave serbia, and Kosovo should as well. Everyone is much better off alone until things calm down and people can begin to interact again.
STALINIST (no login) 62.254.128.5
Stupid ideot
June 21 2004, 12:41 AM
qoute;"the war was started in yugoslavia simply because the other ethinicities where fed up with serbian opression" what opression was that exactly?
Was is anything close to the opression albanian,croatioan and bosnian musim SS showed to the serbs?
oh you dont even have a clue.
qoute;"he ruined everything tito had acomplished" well dont talk to me about tito my gradfather was a cetnik i know all about tito, the fucking dog.
all tito was good for wa to borrow he borrowed so much when he died he left a imprint so bad on yugoslavia.
they say if you sold all the old repuclics of yugoslavia it still wouldnt pay off the money tito owed.
qoute; "kosovo is not serbian, serbs settled in the area much afte the illyrians, the presant day albanians" ahahahaha for the last time illyrians are not albanians stupid albanian fool !!!!!!
CCCC
KOSOVO IS SERB LAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
matt (no login) 208.20.119.21
Some stories, please
June 22 2004, 6:43 AM
Hey, how about some manners. Stalinist is basically correct, but he loses the argument by screaming. Tito did borrow when he did not have to, he had a tourism-wealthy country. He fell into the trap of easy credit. It happens to millions of families and it happens to countries. Tito set the republics against each other over the economy, when the Western loan sharks suddenly raised the interest.
That was the problem, there was less oppression of Croats and Kosovo Albanians then, than there is today, that they run their own states. As for the oppression of non-Serbs in the 1980's, I would love to hear some example. I mean, concrete stories, not slogans. As far as I know, it was Croat terrorists who started the violence in Yugoslavia.
Truth about Kosovo (no login) 212.124.160.7
Re: Some stories, please
June 22 2004, 5:40 PM
Tito was great lair.Practicly he made up all of this...He gived everything to built a "albanian ethnic force".Do you know that Tito proclaimed home-coming of Serbs,which were banishing by Albanians or Arnauts (Arnauts(Albanians) was minority before WW1 and WW2)? He was partis(z)an,and he was Croat,too (Croatians were nazi (usthasa)).In the culmination of fight betwen partisans and Usthashas he was walking cross the Zagreb( Capital of Croatia) and drinking cofee with biggest nazists on the place (piazza) in friendly atmosphere(they was his personal friends,too).He promoted great expand of Albanian natality,he was godfather-sponsor to every 9th albanian child!!!.Today natality of Albanians is biggest in Europe(I think 24%).He harryied wheat from Serbs and give it to Albanians.Serbs were starming,but Albanians were multiply.
And forget everything about Milosevic.He is moron,you're right.His whife is debil,ok.He would be convict-yes.But do you know for what?Because he destroyed Serbia.You probably think that he is nationalists,that he is pro-serbs oriented,but you are not in right.Milosevic is finished what Tito started.He is tipical spy.Do you know who was his boss?America.You must to know that he is not guilty for masacres on muslims,albanians,croats,...he is guilty for masacres on Serbs.More serbain soldiers were killed in retirement then in battle.Noone knows why?During "oluja-Storm" Croats were scattering convoy of serbs which was running to central serbia(children,old people,woman) with metal gas-bottle,he didn't command to protect people.He is worth for albanian economy and ethnic prosperity.During his mandat albanians on Kosovo didn't paid taxes,rate or something like that.When uck was started he had 94 members.When special anti-terrorists had come to destroy their "base" in Drenica Milosevic said stop on the phone.Commanders were crying then because they knew what follow then.
@Mr.Balcan
You are probably Alabian but,it's know matter.
It's not true that Ilirians are Albanians,that is stupid lie for everyone who don't know THE TRUTH.It' tipical albanian propaganda.Just ask some muslim pope(odza) and you will see what he say.Albanians were came from Arabia,one part came earlier with one of the feuded brother and settled mountains in todays Albania.They were shepherds.Second part of "Albanians" were not Albanians and they came with Tutkish from Arabia,too.They were Turkish hostlers,executioners,...,they lived in hordes.Many of Serbs and Greeks are Albanians today,too.
In the middle age (before Ottomans)half of the todays Albania was Serbia.It was very peaceable region.Serbs,Greeks,Romans and Albanian tribes were trading there (Port of Drach,one of the centers of trading in todays Albania was center of trading in this time,too).Albanians were pagans and Orthodox and Catholic christians.Even now,after 500 years,exist part of Orthodox and Catholic Albanians.But when "second wave" came everything changed.
Todays Albania is built on the Serbian land.Some Serbs live there and now,do you know that.But they don't have any right.They don't have news,newspapers,schools,...,on Serbian language.They have nothing,only remembarence that they are Serbs.On the other side Albanians in Serbia even have university on Albanian language.For example,Skadar or Schodra(on Albanian) was built by Serbs.Biggest "Albanian" hero is Skenderbeg,he is Serb,too.Many ancient cities in Albania were Serbian,...
@Everyone
Thanks to Italians.They ransomed for they sin on Serbs in past.Thanks because only they are on the side of THE TRUTH.Thanks because they are defending Serbian Orthodox Christian monasteries,churches and monuments on Kosovo.Serbian nation realy appreciate that in this bad time,T H A N K S.
STALINIST [RAGE] (no login) 62.254.128.5
i take my hat off to you
June 22 2004, 5:59 PM
you are right!
as right as my gradfather was to choose the brave chetniks over the communist partizans[god rest there sole's and the sole of cica[gradfather] draza]
P.S im aka Ra-Amun aka marko aka STALINIST
heheh surprised?
CCCC
aka Yao (no login) 66.213.106.227
Re: Stupid ideot
June 26 2004, 3:01 PM
SERBIA CAN KISS KOSOVO's AS* if they think kosovo is going to give land back to a piece of retarded dictators of serbia __------------ NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
IS GOIN TO HAPPEN BUD
Mitke (no login) 213.244.199.61
????
June 29 2005, 8:36 PM
few things!!!
First, when somebody give an obvius proof of the theory that albanians are of ilyrian origin, I'll start to believe! 'Till then, please stop saying that, 'cause if they really are, they would have even a similarity with latin and greek language cause balkans were in east roman empire and greek has been official language since emperor Iraclios in 610.), but they don't.
Second, SLOBODAN MILOSEVIC is a MORON, egoist and asshole who listened to nobody but his wife. Also KARADZIC and MLADIC, whatever is thought about them! Those people were renting tanks to croats, their enemies to fight against muslims in Bosnia, and traded with FRANJO TUDJMAN, ex croat president all the time the war was going on. Seven thousand people were killed in Srebrenica and I think that it cant be ordered or done by a normal person.
TITO was an actor (fake metall industry worker with four years of primary school, playing a piano and smoking the world's best ciggars) only playing a scenario, written many years before in Moscow. For KOMINTERNA (international komunist organisation) Kingdom of Yugoslavia was an expresion of serbian imperialism and country which had to dissapear, and TITO's role was to make sure it happen. So, he had done his job very well (R.I.P).
ALBANIANS (the name given to them by west powers at the time their first modern country was created, by London peace treatise in 1912. Otherwise, they call themselves "Shqiptare" and terms "Albania" or "albanian" are used only by foreigners) are seduced, simple highlanders, of still unknown origin, who had been given much more then they deserved, for many years in ex yugoslavia. Since they dont know who they are, they had to contrive the famous "Ilyrian theory" even if they didnt have a single valid prove. Since they were promised a lott, but given a little, they are getting more and more nervous and unsatisfied. At the first time of UN protectorat in Kosovo, I thought that they will be clever enough not to do stupid things like those on March 17th, but I guess, and I hope I'm wrong.
SOMETHING BIG WILL HAPPEN IN THE BALKANS, THIS IS A CURSED AREA! WHEN YOU BUILD YOUR HOUSE ON THE CROSSROADS, YOU JUST WAIT THE DAY WHEN SOME CRAZY IDIOT WILL GET INTO YOUR DINING-ROOM!
(no login) 83.108.86.56
Re: IMPERSONATING SKUM !!!
November 9 2006, 12:56 PM
go to hell. u talk bullshit "stalinist" hahahahah,u like soviet? omg..
Anonymous (no login) 68.80.97.180
Re: Albanian tried to burn mosque
December 29 2004, 4:42 PM
hey u TRUTH ABOUT KOSOVO, i know u have a life, BUT KOSOVA IS LONG GONE FOR U, i see ALBANIAN FLAGS WAVING all around kosovaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
SHQIPTARIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAA
281 330 8004 (no login) 66.213.106.194
Re: Albanian tried to burn mosque
September 7 2005, 6:21 PM
hellz yea not those ppl in this internet makin shit up like matt who hates every1 and talks behind his parents back its funny how he thinks by talkin shit he runs this forums