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Serbian foreign minister Vuk Draskovic signed a pact with NATO

July 26 2005 at 9:10 PM
  (Login Mitke)
from IP address 212.200.125.5

 
The Pact is about the permission for NATO troops to use serbian land&air for transporting their troops or eventually reinforcements to Kosovo. Are they making room for the fastest escape, trying to protect people from possible albanian violence or just disabling serbia to react on possible Kosovo's independence?

 
    
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matt
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67.136.222.105

Bolje rat

July 28 2005, 9:59 PM 

I stashed my dictionary at a friend's house in Italy. Was it "Bolje rat njego Pakt" in 1941?

 
    

(Login Mitke)
62.108.101.23

The answer is "yes"

August 2 2005, 9:34 PM 

But, there is still a question "why". Politicians in Serbia wash their hands of that now, cause people did not except the pact well. That's the same what was wanted in 1999. before the bombing started, and now you have to reconsider- why did people die, why did we have to go to war when, after all they (NATO) got what they wanted?

Now I hate Milosevic even more.

 
    
matt
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67.136.208.166

The value of scrap paper

August 3 2005, 10:25 PM 

I agree that Milosevic was always very weak in his reaction both to Western aggression and to Serb paramilitary atrocities.

However, in March 1999 he found the strength to reject Clinton's demand to give up sovereignty over Kosovo. In June he agreed to the Russian compromise proposal, which, had it been honestly applied, would have meant the temporary acceptance of peacekeepers.

Milosevic should have known that international agreements signed with the West are not worth the paper they are written on.

 
    

(Login Mitke)
62.108.101.67

He knew that...

August 4 2005, 7:03 PM 

But the only reason why he did not accept the proposal from Rambuilles was his fear that he will loose his position and the rule over Serbia.
Anything but that was only political advertising.
About saying "no" to Clinton, think about that - was it wise to enter the war if you had already known that you will loose it?
And, after all, we lost Kosovo and NATO got the right to pass trough Serbia without any single condition, even respecting our laws!!!
What is so brilliant then?

 
    
matt
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67.136.208.166

Drunks can't fight

August 9 2005, 12:21 PM 

We cannot ever be sure about other people's motives.

I do not say it was a brilliant move. I just say that in March 1999, Milosevic achieved the strength of character which he should have shown in the beginning. In June 1999 he got tricked, I think, once again. The idea was to repeat 1914. Anything to make that happen, even a temporary withdrawal. Partial Yugoslav acceptance of NATO demands would have saved Clinton's face, but Kosovo and Serbia would have been saved, with the Russians in Pristina and Yugoslav army forces guaranteed the right to guard the Yugoslav border on the Sar Mountains, and secession of Kosovo denied.

How could Milosevic refuse, when Yeltsin, even though drunk, was offering to rush in his armored forces from Bosnia? If the Russians had politely stood their ground in Pristina, the bully Clinton would have backed down. Too bad Yeltsin chickened out, he could have saved the West from the insane overconfidence that led us to confrontations with China, Haiti, Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Afghanistan. Instead, drunk and humiliated, Russia caved in over Kosovo and attacked Chechnya instead.

 
    

(Login Mitke)
212.200.125.23

Just a little bit of history repeating....

August 16 2005, 9:39 PM 

First of all, it just prooves my theory that Slobodan Milosevic was CIA's mann in Belgrade, maybe after he became an outlaw, who knows?
About Russians, the only time when they really helped and wanted to help Serbia was in 1914. when they declared war to Germany and Austria. Still, I think they did that cause that act gone up with their political interests in that time.
But, the revolution stoped that and comunist regime became greater serbian enemy then Germans themselves. Since the creation of Yugoslavia (Kraljevina SHS) they (KOMINTERNA) were working on its destructon, most efectivelly, from inside. So they found the right partners for that job - Croats. All NKVD and later KGB agents in Yugoslavia were Croats, and they were in the top even in the USSR.

Russians have never helped Serbia if that hadnt gone up with their political needs. Yeltsin's try was only the way of "washing hands" of Kosovo, since the simpathies of common people in Russia were on serbian side. He had to do something with that, and the arrival of russian troops to Kosovo was a TV show. I'll say only this, Bulgarians did not allow Russian transport planes to fly over it's airspace!!! Enough about russian strenght.

Milosevic knew that!!! He is the one to blame for Kosovo, and that cannot be denied.

 
    
matt
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67.51.233.240

Russian TV SHow in Pristina

August 19 2005, 8:12 AM 

Wesly Clarke, known at NATO headquarters as "the Supreme Being", took the surprise Russian move to Pristina very seriously. He ordered an attack to take Pristina airport from the Russians, at which point his subordinate, British general Mike Jackson, said "I am not going to start WW3 for you, Sir." The attack parties had already boarded the helicopters, when Jackson intervened.

Some reports remove the "Sir" and add an expletive to Jackson's comment, but all sources agree that NATO command in Bruxelles took the Russian demarche to Pristina very seriously. But Yeltsin was drunk, and soon fell in line with the West.

 
    

(Login Mitke)
212.200.125.35

Of course he did...

August 22 2005, 7:27 PM 

I see why did they react so seriosly. I guess none of them could even dream about that russians will move their troops from Bosnia and go to Kosovo without saying a word. Still, they left Kosovo after 2 years, bearly 200 of them against 30.000 Nato soldiers. Very brave...
Their country did not have enough money to finance their mission, so they had to leave.
Some newspapers from Belgrade speculated about the amount of money spent on "buying" american and west european politicians for "albanian cause", it was between 2,5 and 3 billion $.
$1 billion was enough to silent "big drunk bear".
Over Kosovo, and that TV show we are talking about, they had shown that they are still in the game. Again over our back.

 
    
matt
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70.97.140.66

War pays

August 27 2005, 10:13 PM 

No, that $2b figure is fantasy. Our politicians come much cheaper. A five or six figure check will get you the ear of any politician. Anyway, usually there is no need to pay them to start a war, since the major source of wealth and power for senators and undersecretaries is precisely war.

What's certain is that collectively they made billions from their Yugoslav adventure.

 
    
Mitke
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62.108.101.19

I tought we are speaking about russians...

August 29 2005, 10:14 PM 

Well, I guess that is completely legalised in your country, cause major companies lead U.S. foreign policy. It became so obvius nowadays, after Afghanistan and Iraq. But as far as russians were concerned, I don't think that $2b was unreall. In that time, they were more then hungry and weak, now they are not so hungry and weak, but still they have never been real friends to serbs.

 
    
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