Russia claimed that in the Georgian “operation storm” there were 2000 South Ossetians murdered.
If this number is true then it is the same as 1000-1500 murders a day each compare to Hitler’s gas rooms to exterminate Jews (max 1000 a day) looks like Georgian army had a magic tough to kill hundreds with one bullet like those South Ossetians were in the room and waiting for Georgian army to kill them.
By playing with numbers make even a true stories look like fairy tale.
Should the world be careful with reports?

This is same old story. It is applied from Tojan war to WWWII or even in Iraq.
However Russia has its reason to go to war against Georgia's anti-Russian policy.

Russian peacekeepers were attacked. A friendly nation was attacked.

The West had blocked Russian proposal that force be renounced. The West organized Operation Storm, the West
organized its repeat, against Russia.

Maybe 1500 casualties was an exaggeration. However, if you start shelling a town, it does not take too long to hit 1500 people. Artillery works pretty good.

Of course there was some exaggeration.
It is a style of modern war ( look at what Georgia claims. many funny things!)
But for sure, it wasn't too strong.

Saakashvilli used carpet-covering artillery "GRAD" ( a Russian one, by the way).
It was used before only in Afganistan desserts. Nobody ever used it against city with civilians. From Russian you may translate this word as "hail"
Spectrum of destruction - 6 km. 6 km of firing all what is alive on this territory.

Comsomolec, that's very funny.

In English, desert is the Sahara, but dessert is a French word entered into English, that means cake, pastry, sweets.

And for dessert, Sir, here we have for you this magnificent Georgian...

Ha-ha-ha..

You always laugh at my spelling!
Common!

that's just because I'm emotional

I was laughing with you. Intentional or not, it was a great joke.

Tell us about that "grad" concept.

What was the purpose of destroying the town?

Where can we see a fair report--in English--about that assault?

Was the shelling done against strong entrenched defenses, or was the intent to kill as many Ossetian civilians as possible in a clean manner, without getting blood on your boots?

By the way, Bosnian Serb and Montenegrin officers were brought to the Hague, accused of shelling and destroying Dubrovnik and Sarajevo--which of course they did not

Well, it's very hard to find somewhere really objective information about the war.
Ofcourse, Russiam MassMedia acts the same way as Western and Georgian. ( When all the western world was involved in demonstrations of protest against moving of Russian troops deeper in Georgian territory, our TV showed us just anti-Georgians demonstrations of Ossetian diasporas in Turkey and Ukraine:))))

So, what do I ussually do - is just read both polar views - western and russian - and try to get the truth:)

Here is more or less objective web-site in english. You may find something there..
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28629

Osetian troops are very small. You may take them over by one tank corps without any artillery. Anyway, the GRAD shelling was against the city itself - not defense positions..
I don't know the purpose. I doubt that it really was an act of genocide, as Russian officials claim.. it would had been very stupid fron Georgia. Though.. nothing must be excluded when you deal with Saakashvilli..

I don't know why we should now trot out the word "genocide", imitating the West.

Genocide when is trying to wipe out a whole nation. Wiping out a city is not genocide, even if you kill 100,000 in one day or one night, as in Dresden or Hiroshima.

Killing 10 or 1000 prisoners is murder, but is not genocide. The U.S. Army killed at least 100,000 German POW's in 1945. Not genocide.

The Western nations did it in Africa, and the Asians try to do it to each other, and the Americans did it to the Indians. When Hitler tried his hand at it, the Allies did not lift a finger to slow him down.

But today we charge the Serbs with genocide, even though the UCK killed as many, if not more.

Victors' justice.

But what about your own point?
F..k the West with their double standards! We may jurge objectively ourselves!
Hitler tried to free the world rdom jews and gipsies. And slavs, btw. was it genocide? Yes, it was
Turks eleminated thousands of Armenians just for purpose of natural annexion of western Armenian territories ( which were conqured but weren't culturally integrated)was it genocide? Yes, it was

So, I agree, that genocide - is not an issue of amount of killings.
But it is a matter of PURPOSE for that killing.
Was Saakashvilli trying to eleminate people or to back his territory?

THere is no "jurging" allowed on this Website!!

I told you it's judge. The verb, just like the magistrate. "All stand for the judge!'

Turks, Croats, Germans, Romanians, Estonians, Ukrainians tried to wipe out their minorities. That's genocide.

To blow up a city is plain murder, it does not indicate the intent to exterminate a nation.

Ethnic cleansing is when you terrorize a minority to make them all leave. It was done in Bosnia--by all sides-- and in Kosovo by the UCK, against all the minorities there.

Ok, but what about Saakashvilli?
I don't belive he intended to make all the Ossetians leave. Just set controll under them.. so, no genocide

When you mentioned Ukraine, what kind of genocide you meant?

...just ethnic cleansing.

Ukrainians and Estonians were heavily involved in the 1941-1944 genocide. Ukrainians controlled various death camps.

By the way, the last pogrom in Europe was in 1946, Poland. They killed the Auschwitz survivors.

The last European pogrom until the 1981 "national movement" in Kosovo.

That were not Ukranians. Inhabbitans of western ukrania are polish.
And moreover, they acted not at their own name.
Being organized in groups ( and even having their own popular leaders, like Vlasov and others) still they ( most of them) reported to German authorities, usually - wore SS uniform and were a part of a German formation

I know that the Poles hate the Jews, and I know that they turned many Jews over to the Germans. However, I never heard of Poles being accused of forming SS units.

Those were Ukrainians--under German orders, of course. Even Hitler's allied units sent to the Eastern front, like Petain's and Pavelic's, were under German orders.

Matt, there were no Ukranians there. You may call them Ukranians just because they lived on the Ukranian territory ( that was separated fon Poland just in 1940 as you know). But in fact these are Ethnic Poles!
Even know they're taken by other Ukranians as Poles.
Actually many Soviet people in war times took part on naxis side ( including Ukranians and even Russians). But that was just episodically. Organized armies were formed in western Ukrania and Belarus and Battic counties only. And they consisted mostly of Balts and ethnic Poles..

I should not have said that Ukrainians controlled some death camps, I should have said that they provided most of the manpower to control some death camps.

http://www.sobibor.info/murderers.html

"Documented proof exists that at various times, all the men listed below were at Sobibor for some length of time. Approximately 100 Germans and about 200 Ukrainian guards worked in Sobibor during its eighteen months of existence. Other than the commander and his deputy, all Germans were non-commissioned officers, but were always superior in rank to any of the Ukrainian guards."