Blaz wrote, in the message on Slovenia:

What if?

Matt perhaps you’re interested too much in history and you’re neglecting the current politics and ideologies that are around. Because they have a crucial impact on almost everything that has happened around or would (could) have happened. If it weren’t for these liberals that you hate these much and it was G.W Bush in power during the time that the Yugo Army was in full control in Kosovo, and he would practice his policy of non-involvement in war situations, then Kosovo would probably look like something you would have wished, Serb Holy Land with no Albanians or any other non-Serb population.
The ethnic cleansing that was going on would continue without hesitation and in this moment we would have around a million Albanian refugees around Europe seeking for a roof to stay and food to be delivered to them. And in Pristina you would have Chetniks of Arkan and other paramilitary butchers hanging in Albanian café’s drinking and singing how they managed to get rid of those damn “shiptars” as we all saw in Vukovar (klat cemo Hrvate = we’re gonna kill Croats).

And this is not some dark pessimistic fantasy this was a reality wherever these butchers managed to come and drive the local population out. Cause we all remember that just some time before NATO attacks many Albanians fled out of Kosovo (or were killed) with even their passports being taken when they left Kosovo! So please Matt, how do you comment those facts, and what were you doing when Albanians were the once being killed and driven from their homes. Where you protesting too, or did you simply ignore them as being worth less then Serbs. I would really like to hear that…

And that statement of yours: “I have no contempt for powerless liberals in little countries” is also under the category of degrading people like me who come from smaller countries and are ridiculed as not equal to you, this mighty American who loves mighty Serbs, seriously

Bye,

Blaz


Matt's answer


The ravings of right wingers are much more entertaining than the diatribes of Marxists, but I don't have so much time left, so I have to restrict the amount of time devoted to left or right wing entertainment. You are young, so go ahead, and enjoy as the Christian geocentrics explain how the sun rotates around the Earth.

Still, you ought to be kinder and gentler with Bush the Father: he did, after all, order the Kosovo war, as reported in The New York Times of December 28 1992. You ought to praise him for creating work for the media, oil, and defense industry, and you ought to love and praise His blessed Son.

Our propaganda machine tried and succeeded in making everyone confuse March 1999 with April 1999. I was in Kosovo in March 1999. There were no masses of refugees at the borders until when the OSCE observers left and NATO bombing was announced. Foreign students and other foreigners in Pristina shipped out, and Albanian began to flee in fear of the coming bombs. The purpose of the NATO bombing was to create refugees and a 'humanitarian crisis". The reformed pacifists and repentant Marxists who ran NATO, succeeded brilliantly in confusing public opinion as to the sequence of events. They trusted a normal psychological factor, which has often been tested in psychology classes: memory is affected by repetition and majority pressure. It worked, and our memory has been altered.

Albanians, Serbs, Montenegrins, Roma, and Turks fled to Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, and Macedonia because of the bombing or because of the KLA offensive, Serbian counterattack, and concomitant Serbian or KLA ethnic cleansing. They fled towards the nearest refuge. Tens of thousands of Albanians fled to Serbia and Montenegro. In another message you compare Milosevic to Hitler. Were Serbs, Gypsies, and Jews seeking refuge in Nazi Germany in WWII?

The ethnic cleansing of Albanians in 1999 came after the big cleansing of Serbs in 1998 and after the NATO attack, just as the ethnic cleansing of the Arabs did not start until the attack of the Arab armies upon Israel and the ethnic cleansing of Germans and Italians in Slovenia came after the Axis invasion, not before. This does not excuse stupid or vicious behavior like ethnic cleansing, whether it's done by Serbs, Croats, Moslems, Jews, or Slovenians, but it explains the world: in time of war, people get stupid and nasty. Bombing does not encourage rational thinking.

Cleansing and killing of Serbs in Zagreb and Vukovar started before the war, before any Croat was killed. Such behavior took place with the blessings of Vienna and Bonn. After the start of the war some Serbs behaved as murderously as some Croats had behaved. The cleansing of Serbs from Albania and from Kosovo started years before the war. NATO media does not see fit to discuss pre-war ethnic cleansing. That explains the fact that you have not heard of it.

When I was very young, I accepted the ideas that the colonial war against Vietnam was a good and honorable war for democracy and that the destruction of democracy in Iran and Guatemala was an exercise in democracy. Then I read a few books and found I had been lied to. Pretty weird what kind of nonsense they manage to trick us into believing. So there is hope for you, my friend Blaz: in a few years, you might stumble upon some good books--Chomsky, perhaps-- and find you have been tricked. No rush, though. You have time, maybe fifty years, to review history and change your opinions. Unless of course our masters blow up the world in a campaign against Russia or China. Not to worry, though, they will probably choose the moderate road to self-destruction and will persevere in the effort to choke the world in CO2 and toxic waste.

Many years ago I was from a country smaller than Slovenia. It's good to be from a small country, with a small air force. If you are small you can easily be a nice guy, you don't feel the need to strut about the playground trying to stare down the other boys.

By the way, why do you put "Shiptar" in quotes? Some think it is a "racist" term, but Albanian institutions and media seem to be quite at ease with the word Shqiptar, which is pronounced "shchiptar". I guess that Slavs had a hard time pronouncing the "q" and dropped it . Is that racism?

A i ne e ni bitno smrdlivi se i ovaka i onaka.

that sounds interesting, would anyone be able to translate? Thanks

"A i ne e ni bitno smrdlivi se i ovaka i onaka."
"it doesent metter you stink both ways"
I hope its uderstandable

Hi Matt!

I don’t find the ravings of right-wingers entertaining; I find them serious and worrying. You’re definitely right here, because I am young I do care about such things. When hate, intolerance, bigotry, homophobia, gunloonery, Bible-thumping, racism, environmentalist bashing become someone’s main policy that’s just a step toward tyranny towards others (minorities, gays, liberals...) As for Bush father and Bush Jr, they’re leading the same party that is spreading those ideas in the USA. And I never liked any of them. Bush Jr. has inherited his father’s administration with the same important figures deciding. Which will just lead to another cold war. Assigning John Ashcroft, incident with China being a good demonstration of his future policy. You will never see me praising such people no matter how he dealt with Kosovo. You should be happy, Bush’s foreign policy is non-interference. So if genocide happens, let them finish it and don’t intervene. Really wonderful.

You said you were in Kosovo in 1999. You missed 11 years before that, when Milosevic came to power, when Albanians were being treated as dirt, beaten, killed, their houses being burnt, their University taken (remember the little autonomy they had before Milosevic came, it vanished!). So don’t tell me about how Serbs were being ethnically cleansed, when the Serb police and military was the big bull in Kosovo having control of the repressive forces. When there was no KLA, no NATO. Matt, you didn’t live in Yugoslavia. I did, my parents did, my father served his military service in Pristina, and he saw how the situation in real life was, even long before 1988, in the 1970’s. That was no propaganda, that was real life and facts. And with the arrival of Milosevic it all burst out. All the hate and nationalist feelings that led then to killings of Albanians.

Your accusation of NATO and its deliberate creation of a humanitarian crisis is nothing but a bad excuse to defend Serb actions. I might not like NATO’s policy, its leaders or even other western leaders, but I won’t be blaming them for something they did not do, no matter how much I may not like them. The origins and real reasons why so many people became refugees or corpse is to be seen elsewhere, not where you may think it is.

The west and the rest of the world may be fooled by its governments in many cases, but you couldn’t fool the republics of the rest of Yugoslavia, who saw what Milosevic was, what he represented, and what he was responsible for. They lived long enough together to see where such policy would bring them. That’s why Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia left ex Yugoslavia.

That’s why Montenegro wants out, even with the fall of Milosevic. Because they don’t feel they’re treated equally. Now where might the problem just be? So please don’t tell me about the west braking up Yugoslavia, the republics knew very well why they left, and why they had no alternative. Maybe one day you will eventually understand it.

You bring in Vietnam, Iran and Guatemala, where I don’t see how you can compare those countries and the situation in ex Yugoslavia. Are you telling me that Serbia is Vietnam, and that they’re a victim of western policy while ignoring all the facts and figures (Milosevic, Mladic, Karadzic, Arkan, Seselj)? You should do better then that Matt to provide some arguments.

You don’t have to worry, I hadn’t been lied to. I saw with my own eyes just a glimpse of what such policy can do (tanks, air raids) in even bigger extensions (Bosnia, Kosovo) and I didn’t need the west or my government to tell me that. I think with my own mind and see with my own eyes.

As for the term “Shiptar”, I used it as it was used by Serbs to show their disrespect for Albanians as second grade citizens. Not because I would call them such, as I find it insulting. I didn’t know about the q in it, so I didn’t drop it deliberately. You can’t call me a racist, because I’m not. Never was.

Blaz, good to hear from you again. But... but you got to lighten up, you got to learn to stop hearing insult when there is none: that is one of the main causes of war. I remember, some fifty years ago, feeling like you sometime do, and then figuring out I had misinterpreted what others said. I can tell you that one becomes happier when he starts taking the world a bit more lightly.

In our discussions you have sometime assumed that I hate Slovenians or Albanians or that I was making a personal attack against you. Case in point: you think I am suggesting that you are a racist for using the word shiptars. Hardly so. I think you are a very well-meaning guy, very sensitive, very ethycal, emotionally concerned about justice and equality. I was just suggesting that the word shiptar is not a racist insult at all. The idea that shiptar is an insult makes as much sense as the American liberal idea that Jew is an insult. Polite liberal Americans would never tell their children "Look at them Jews with the funny hats." They would say, "Look at the nice Jewish young men proudly wearing their traditional wide brimmed hats." They think that Jew is bad and Jewish is good. So fine, let them talk as they wish to. Problem is that dumb Jews have also began to think that the word Jew is no good. Now that's bad news.

Sqiptar is an Albanian word, and it means Albanian in the Albanian language. It is on Albanian money and stamps and public buildings. Words change when they move to other languages, always to make them easier to pronounce. Sqiptar, pronounced shchiptar, became siptar, pronounced shiptar, like srbin became Serb in English. I would bet that when a Kosovo Albanian became president or vice-president of Yugoslavia, he was glowingly referred to as a shiptar in official press releases. The idea that shiptar is a racist insult has been created by those who intended to create an atmosfere of hatred against Serbia. Then every time Serbian speakers mention their Albanian neighbors, they can be automatically accused of spewing ethnic hatred. This propaganda campaign against Serbia has brought great wealth to war makers and profiteers in NATO countries.

In Western media, since 1991, the word Serb has normally been spoken with contempt and hatred. The word Serb has become an insult, equivalent to Nazi thug rapist. Then, we who are opposed to ethnic hatred, should we banish the word Serb from polite society and pick some other, "nicer" word instead?

Matt it’s good to hear from you as well. You can’t imagine what a big difference it is discussing with your or with those extreme right wingers on Freerepublic. I may disagree with you on many issues, but I give you respect for being honest and non hypocritical as opposed to some others.

Anyway, you said I should lighten up. Did I sound like I wasn’t? Then I gave the wrong impression. I am certainly not being insulted by you, I just talked about certain issues regarding Slovenia and a certain amount of prejudice and lack of information people have with (smaller) countries like Slovenia and I guess you fell occasionally into that category with some of your views. But don’t worry about me being angry, hateful or depressive cause I am certainly not. I never really had those problems. Its just that with very serious issues (as war, crimes, history) you tend to take it more serious then lightly, that’s all.

As for the term Sqiptar, I agree. Albanians in Kosovo do call themselves Sqiptars, and it’s not an insult in its basic form. But they have learnt to understand that by living with Serbs in Kosovo, specially those more nationalistic, the term Sqiptar was used as an insult to degrade Albanians as opposed to Serbs. Its basically the same thing as “Schwab” for Germans. Schwab’s are people living in a certain part of Germany and Germans used it as a normal phrase. But they have also learnt to understand that people that fought against Germans in WW2 expressed their hate towards Germans by saying “those damn Schwab’s” and not Germans which was without any doubt an insult.

I know it all falls under the term “political correctness”, but I guess its still better to be politically correct then perhaps insulting someone when you could avoid it. Its also the same with black/Afro Americans, Jew/Jewish queer/gay etc.. I might sound a bit ridiculous, but it may affect many people seriously, so I avoid such phrases, showing my respect to people of all races, religions, nationalities, color, cultures, sexes etc…

As for the Serb term, I do agree. There was quite a lot of demonizing of Serbs in (western) media, attributing things to them in general even though it were only individuals that committed them. Just as there was (is) a lot of Muslim demonizing, specially by conservatives in the USA when Muslims are called mujahadeens, terrorists, Muslim fighters, simply because they’re not Christians and are thought to be violent people in general . These accusations made by the same people that defended Serbs on the other side. So there was a lot of demonizing on all sides, and I certainly don’t and never will buy any of it. As I am sure you Matt never will, as well.

long life for the albanian people (shqipetaret)...

I left my Albanian dictionary with friends in Kosovo, it was too heavy to carry around. So I can't read the title of your note. But I see that you add an "e" to Shqiptar. Please explain the spelling difference. thanks

>> then Kosovo would probably look like something you would have wished, Serb Holy Land with no Albanians or any other non-Serb population. <<

Do you seriously believe that the intention of Serbia was to drive all non-Serbs out of Kosovo? You are either really stupid, or you are purposely posting things you know aren't true to infuriate other people.

If the Yugoslav army wanted to drive all non-Serbs out of Kosovo, they could have done it no problem, and they could still do it today, even with the 45,000 Nato troops there. But that was never the intention. The only intention was to stop terrorists from blowing up police stations, terrorizing non-Albanians or in some cases even other Albanians who did not support them.

As far as the Serbs are concerend, nationality/religion has nothing to do with it. If you shoot a police officer or murder some nuns of plant bombs in a school yard, you will face the consequences regardless of your ethnicity. If it was a group of Serbs, not ALbanians, who started blowing up police stations, the Yugo army would have done the same thing to them as they did to the KLA.

It is the KLA, not Serbia, who is concerened about religion.

Ne Shqiptar tuku Siptar
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A i ne e ni bitno smrdlivi se i vaka i onaka.
 
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Untitled April 16 2001, 9:13 AM 

Guys, this sounds interesting, but we don't get it. Would anyone be able to give us a translation?
 
  Respond to this message   Nimfa
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RE: June 7 2001, 12:46 PM 

Matt, this sounds interesting but only in Macedonian.
To understand us and our opinion you'll have to make and Macedonian Forum where we (MACEDONIANS of every nationality) can post our meaning 'bout this situation that's happining in our country. Otherwise, everybody thinks that you and every organization (UN, NATO etc) are representing and only concern for Albanians rights. Can anybody just stop for a second, and rethink over that WE (Macedonians) and in (Serbia-Serbs) were the one that were building this countries. Why doesn't than anybody speaking about our rights???? Or WE don't have and shouldn't have rights?
 
  Respond to this message   matt
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please do June 9 2001, 12:05 PM 

Oh, please, Nimfa, do translate for us, unless, of course, Makedon was saying something nasty, in which case we don't want to know. We woundn't want to know because we love Macedonians.

Kosovoforum can also be Macedoniaforum. If you have a long piece, we could put it up on the front page, of course.
 
  Respond to this message   matt
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Nanja
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Then how about Macedonia?
March 15 2001, 1:16 PM
Macedonians get killed every day by Albanian terrorists, yet there's no Milosevic to blame.How about that?

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Hi Nanja,

It's too bad Macedonians are getting killed. In case you are Macedonian, here is some unasked and probably unwanted advice. You could avoid all trouble by agreeing to give up a piece of your country. Why insist on keeping it all if the price is war? You could have had it all if you had kept Yugoslavia together. Now it's too late.

Tetovo is a beutiful town, but Macedonia could survive without it. Breaking up the country might be very stressful, but Czecks and Slovacks survived that kind of stress pretty well. Serbia could have had peace by giving up half of Kosovo before the West got involved. When finally Milosevic proposed partition, it was too late, because Clinton had already announced who the good guys were and would have lost face if he agreed to compromise. Now you could still have peace by giving up a third of Macedonia. If you don't, you are going to live in an Albanian country anyhow, because you are going to be a minority in a few years. Many Albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia believe they already have a majority in Macedonia.

If you break up now, you can still have good trade relations. There are no border controls, no customs inspection, no tariffs in between most EC countries. If you break up the country before the war, you can still have minorities in the two countries. Otherwise you are going to have ethnic cleansing. War is not pleasant, and no one gets nicer in wartime, not your enemies, not yourselves. If you don't like your Albanian neighbors now, you are going to like them much less after the war starts for good or if they control the whole country.

The American government wanted a war to affirm their supremacy and the need for NATO, which had become an obsolete organization. They needed NATO and a "splendid little war" to maintain their position in Europe and to confirm their petroleum alliance with Islamic and particularly Turkic countries like Azerbadjan. They don't want another war now. Anyhow, they love to bomb, but they don't like to hold ground. matt

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No score for this post March 20 2001, 10:12 AM

Your suggestions are nothing less than propostrous. How could you even think about making such reccomondations. I think perhaps You are more like Clinton than you would like to admit...


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208.20.119.50you stupid matt schmuck March 23 2001, 9:44 PM 
Makedonec
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March 21 2001, 8:05 PM 
Who the fax are you to say that Macedonia has to split.I'm Macedonian and we wi'll fight Albanians till death,to defend our country.You son of a bitch,come here and you'll get what you deserve.Albanians just produce trouble ,but they will get what they deserve.You cook shucker.Macedonia will stay in one peace,duckhead.

    
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land for peace March 29 2001, 10:11 PM 
Well, Macedonian neighbors, sorry I offended you. Leaving Macedonia aside for a moment, read the article called Land for Peace, which I wrote before the Kosovo war, and tell me whether I was right or wrong then, just in regard to Palestine and Kosovo.
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Where are you matt? April 11 2001, 8:40 PM 
Matt,
It does seem that you are closer to the situation than a simple educated bystander. Do you have first had experience in either Macedonia or Kosovo? What is your background that enables you to make such lofty conclusions?  Tara(no login)24.240.200.149

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final solutions April 16 2001, 9:15 PM 

Hi Tara, my conclusions are not particularly lofty, neither are my theories. It just makes me sad to see my poor friends being led to war once again.

I think that the only example of a strong nation accepting a secession without fighting is that of Czechoslovakia. The Czech political leaders refused to accept civilized Western standards and did not organize repression and killing of Slovaks. The accepted methods of solving the problem of large minorities are A--extermination or genocide, B--ethnic cleansing, and C--low intensity warfare. The method of choice for Western democracies is C, although B has been approved for Serbs and Kurds in Turkey, Irak, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo, while Cambodia, Guatemala, Indonesia, and Pakistan have chosen A, the final solution, with full military and diplomatic support by the Leader of the Free World, of course. The advantage of solution C is that it diguises rebel cleansing as civic programs and requires highly paid Western consultants and technology available from the West. It is hoped that one or two dozen Type C conflicts throughout the world, will maintain a steady stream of customers for our arms and security industry for years to come. All is well.

Anyway, in answer to your question, I am in New York now, and my background is checkered if not shady, thank you. How is yours? I have been in most Balkanic countries, beautiful places which had the bad luck of falling under the baleful gaze of Western humanitarians.
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June 7 2001, 12:54 PM 
You have no idea and no background for Macedonia.
Which country are u from?
How would u like to see you country to tear appart?
Wouldn't you fight to keep it??????????
OR???????
(probably you don't care for your country either) Nimfa


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ready to split June 10 2001, 3:01 AM 
I am Italian and American, of Croat and Russian and other backgrounds, and I wouldn't fight to keep any of my present or past countries in one piece. The only sensible reason for fighting for national unity is when secessionists want to take the most historically important or economically valuable part of the country, access to the sea, or strategically important points. Even in those situations, I believe that compromise, in the form of territorial exchange, is possible. Serbia did offer territorial compromise in Kosovo, and it was rejected by NATO. Please remember that Macedonia did secede from Yugoslavia, after all, and in a very civilized manner.

When Puerto Ricans in Puerto Rico, Cubans in Florida and Mexicans in California decide that they are better off on their own, the only rational thing to do would be to allow them to split without having to go through that most annoying nation-buiding phase, terrorism. I also know that secessions will take place, sooner or later: you can try to, but you cannot end history. If Istria and Krajna have had enough of Zagreb, if Venice or Bolzano have had enough of Rome, they ought to split. Later, there would come another drive towards unity. The only alternative to the historical process of secession and unification is genocide or perpetual war.

Those who want to preserve states at any cost are doing so under the impulse of patriotism, i.e. territorial instinct, and without consideration of rational self-interest. Worse, they are encouraged in this behaviour by Washington, London, and Paris, who have organized or financed most civil or uncivil wars in the past half century. NATO countries can make better high tech armaments and security equipment than third world countries. Those are high-profit export items. The leaders of NATO countries are personally tied to the defense industry. It goes to reason that perpetual war is their interest. I am not saying that arms sales are the only reason for war, sure there are instincts of control and power, but I must repeat that most boring question: why were diplomats from NATO countries encouraging Albanians to kill Slavs in Kosovo and Slavs to kill Albanians in Macedonia, in 1997? matt
 
  Respond to this message   Jatin
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asdf June 18 2001, 1:30 PM 

If Macedonia were to give up a large part of their land to Albanians, that would be exactly what the KLA wants: A Greater Albania. Not to mention that Macedonia is already a very tiny nation, how big would it be if 1/3 or 1/2 of it was torn off?

Being a minority does not make something yours. Imagine if someone moved into your house, had a lot of kids, and in a few years his family outnumbered your family. Now he says, "My family outnumberes your family, so this is now my house, not yours." That is exactly what happened in Kosovo, and what is now happening in Macedonia. It will also happen in Montenegro and Greece, just wait and see.
 
 

THEY ARE LOSERS CAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST RETARDED COUNTRY SERBIA = LOSERS 4 LIFE

"Albanians, Serbs, Montenegrins, Roma, and Turks fled to Serbia, Montenegro, Albania, and Macedonia because of the bombing or because of the KLA offensive".=This is another serbian propaganda, because albanians fled to Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia because of serb terrorist and not because of KLA or NATO bombing, NATO was very welcome from albanian side!I feel so stuped to loos time with writting same shit what hole world knows the real truth and i dont give a shit what serbs think, they may write everything they want but nothing will change in realty, because Kosovo now is doing just fine without serbian occupation, now they can live happy in freedom in own land.serbians must read a lot about history of balkan but more about serbian history then they will think different P.S. but do not read a history wich has write milosevic or any serb killer but a real history!PEACE

Funny that Albanians would flee from Kosovo in all directions, even into Montenegro and Serbia, right into the arms of the Serb killers. Tens of thousands of Albanians seeking help under the protection of Milosevic's army. Very odd.

Shiptar is serbian word for Albanian that live in serbia mostlly in Kosovo.
It is variation of Albanian word for themselves but only phonetic, I think.
I would really like to hear why Albanians that not live in Belgrade dont like to hear Serbs calling them that way.

>Kosovo now is doing just fine without serbian occupation, now they can live happy in freedom in own land<

That is lie Kosovo used to be under Albanian rule only, O N L Y by occupation during WWII and probably some other times when Serbia was occupied by arms of war.
Anyone who tell something else is a liar or uninformed.
For example, on kosovo you can find serbian churches more than 10 centurys old.
My personal friend Predrag Jankovic still have his familly house (where he was borne) in Pec,Kosovo that is 300 years old it was burned after serbian goverment whitdrow in 2000 but still standing there right im the middle of Pec next to the burned Serbian curch.
By the way, his cousin was founded in that very house bound by the chair with his throat opened by sharp object after "liberation" of Kosovo.
Because his family cant go back and live there they now considering option of sellin that house to "hard working" Shiptars.
I am not talking about historical monument I am talking about ordinery house in wich generations lived and died before shiptars come.
Also I want to tell you all that everything I wrote on this forum I have material evidence.

Blaz, do you have any idea how many serbs are expeled from Vukovar before fighting even started?
I usually use word "personall friend" and that is because I really have personall friends expeled from every ex yu country becouse Belgrade is full of refugees, how come that new democratic countries has to force so many people to leave.
And lets stick to facts, what you slovenians bring to Yugoslavia exept ur asses to ask to leave Yugosla with your own country?
If you want to answer please be realistic cause I am not the guy who will swallow some empty stories you can sell to foreigners.

I was surprised, thinking that it could actually be true, and that the Albanian province of Kosovo would have finally become independent. But it is not true, yet, still the formal independence accompanied by a formal recognition of it from the United Nations as a whole and individually from democratic conscious nations and regimes around the globe, has not taken place yet. I believe that the day of independence is not going to be late and that the independence that is a reality in Kosovo will be formally recognized the next couple of weeks by the international community. I hope that the Kosovo Serbs will accept all the wrong doings of the past on their Albanian countrymen, and work to reconcile. If they choose to divide Mitrovica and unite the Serb minority of Kosovo with Serbia, the same will happen with the Albanian minority in Serbia bordering with Kosovo. This will unite with Kosovo. This is perhaps not only the easiest solution which will mean that between the Albanians and the Serbs will remain a high sense of high hatred mood not only for the near feature but for centuries to come, but also the worse due to its negative influence in the region. No mater how match this two nations want to stay apart, the fact is that they occupy neighboring territory and their good regional relations are the most vital element needed for their well being and prosperous future. I believe it is impossible that the Albanian population in Kosovo increased dramatically in the last 80 years making it the majority as the government of Serbia claims by basing their argument on politically modified documents from the time, which were specifically set to change the real picture of the population makeover of Kosovo. We should finally awake and recognize the Albanian right, ignored since 1912, when this Albanian inhabited territory should have been returned to its legitimate mother country, “Albania”, after we had liberated it from the ottomans. But we choose contrary to the will of the Serbian people to instead become ourselves the new occupiers of this Albanian region. That was what we Serbs did wrong and should make up for it now. It is also immoral for us to still want to occupy this foreign country based on our untrue and disgusting historical scenario to which we address the problem we have with the province being independent. This is why the democratic world does not recognize our rite on Kosovo. That is because we never had one, and our claim is nothing more than a historically manufactured immoral lie, which purpose is inhumane, as it seats out to crunch a people and their will. It is a lot more than just that, this should be considered as a high criminal act of our unconscious ruling government, as one realizes that the impact of our historic claim for Kosovo is not simply set and legalize our claim to keep the occupied territory, still within our own, but it set out to change the demography of the province. It is not important how this is done or in what time period it stretches, what we should all realize is that our policy preaches the extinction of the Albanian element which is the element of the province. This is why this is simply a crime. It is the same reason why Albanians arose wave by wave since the provinces occupation in 1912. And it’s also the very natural reason why the west and the international community support the Albanian cause. Not because they have any problem with the Serbian people or Serbia. This is the reason also for Milosevic’s policy in Kosovo, and of all other governments, including the actual one. This is why people get confused today when they see that this government even it claims to be the opposite of Milosevic’s one, still has the same policy towards Kosovo, which in turn, let’s not forget why ended up in the current situation. Precisely due to its total resistance to the occupiers policy. So why is it that the Serbian people are being so blind today? Should we not demand by our government ones and for all to become democratic, recognize the need for accepting all the wrong doings in order for the nation to move on, so we can resolve our most important social, economical, political and development problems. This is insane, and we shall look to change this wrong way, and get sensible and real, as it is a real world we leave in, not a dream, myth or whatever they preach.