Here is another illustration for those who have doubts in the existence of a pan Islamic front reaching from the Philippines to the Balkans. More than 300 Mojaheds from Moslem countries are being trained at military bases situated in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The hirelings are likely to get then to Macedonia, however some of them will come to the Middle East or to Chechnya or somewhere else. The similar bases exist in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Sudan, Libya, etc. Hardened in numerous battles, soldiers of fortune migrate from one hotbed to another, earning for their living. All sorts of terrorists and extremists have created a worldwide illegal business posing a threat to stability of numerous states. The terrorists seem to unite their efforts much sooner than law enforcement agencies and secret services of different countries. This time, however, the latter will have to coordinate their moves to prevent a global catastrophe. It has become known that a Saudi extremist organization disposes of bacteriological weapons, which are planned to be used in the Middle East conflict against the Israelis. They say the Saudi terrorist organization has close ties with extremists in Chechnya and Kosovo. All this shows that terrorism has turned into a global threat, and I guess there is no state, which can ignore it any longer.

Is that supposed to be an excuse for killing innocent Muslim civilians in Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya? I don't think so. The even greater danger can exist from those people that you might consider harmless and not capable of comitting terrible attrocities, just because they'r Christian, and you'r ready to grant them those crimes just because they comitt them against Muslims whom you fear so much. But then such things lead to hatred, ignorance, and every Muslim automatically becomes a possible terrorist, killer, mujahadeen, Islam fighter or whatever. Well, remember the Inquisition? Crime and violence does not know borders, nationalities or religions. Everyone is capable of doing them if such people come to power (Hitler, Stalin, Milosevic, Tudjman...)

Of course not. Killing women and children should never be excused regardless or their race/religion and regardless who is killing them, whether it is Serbs, Croats, Slovenians, Russians or muslims. Unfortunately there are people who still maintain they are the only victims while the other side is the only guilty party. The fact is, everyone is a victim, and we should not deny crimes such as Srebrenica, Klecka, or Krajina. We need to put the past behind us and work together to live peacefully in the future.

However, the guy is not wrong when he says the spread of Islamic terrorists is a threat. Look at Afghanistan, Sudan, etc. They are far more oppressive than any Christian nation in the world. Although many muslims are victims in war, that doesn't mean terrorists can continue to destabilize the whole continent.

All Islamic jihadis who have been arrested for attacking Western targets have been found to have direct ties to the Afghani insurgency, which was organized and financed by the United States.

I'm not surprised.

"The fact is, everyone is a victim, and we should not deny crimes such as Srebrenica, Klecka, or Krajina. "

And Racak.

All nations of Yugoslavia have been victimized. All have lost a lot, all have been filled with empoverished, lost people. A few politically well-connected families have prospered.
The same has happened in the Soviet Union, now gloriously celebrating the tenth anniversary of the distribution of its wealth to a few families and criminal organizations.
Both events organized by the same people in the west. A few families were offered undreamed wealth in exchange for breaking up the country. They took the deal. They are wealthy. Everyone else is poor, or starving.
Politicians in the west, defense contractors, oilmen, businessmen who bought companies in the East, all prospered. In Rijeka, Croatia there is a factory that made cigarette papers for the Balkans and the Middle East. The rules of the IMF closed it down. Result: unemployment, and economic collapse for all suppliers and for all those who sold food and bicycles to the workers of the factory. In Rijeka today they buy French cigarette papers.
The government of Kazakhstan has already sold to the west more than 90% of its oil reserves.
Essentially, we are dealing with piracy.

Let me ask you a question: Why would I admit Serbian war crimes in Srebrenica, but deny them in Racak? IF I was declaring all Serbs innocent of war crimes, don't you think I would deny Srebrenica as well? Answer me that.

The reason is that there is a lot of evidence about war crimes in Srebrenica, and after having heard all sides of the story and seen all the evidence, I arrived at the conclusion that more likely than not, civilians were murdered in Srebrenica.

I followed the same method for Racak, I listened to each side of the story, then looked at all the evidence, and concluded that it was no massacre.

The fact that I admit war crimes in Srebrenica proves that I am unbiased. You on the other hand, simply believe what you want to believe, regardless if there is evidence or not. That proves you are not interested in the truth.

While you are pondering that, try reading the Finnish forensic report:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a8e7f557ebf.htm

You admit that civilians were killed in Srebrenica. Fine. But do you admit that those civilians were 8.000 Muslims killed by Serb forces? Or are you telling me that they were Serbs killed by Naser Oric?. I am sure you gladly acknowledge all crimes against Serbs, but I am not so sure you clearly acknowledge crimes against Muslim civilians (in Bosnia and Kosovo) by Serbs! That certainly does not make you unbiased, especially after all I have read from you on FR. To be really unbiased you must be ready to accept ALL facts, even those you don't like, not just by acknowledging some crimes without mentioning who the victims were. I have yet to see the evidence on that. And on FR, I haven't heard much of it from you, or from most of the others. Just the one-sided Serb-only-victim mentality. And the strong anti-Muslim sentiments expressed by many there. Its very apparent, and I am not naive to not see that. It's not about the truth, it's about defending a particular side, no matter what it did, while accusing all the others of being responsible. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

The majority of those people were probably muslims killed by Serbs when they overwhelmed the Dutch and took Srebrenica. But it's certainly possible that at least some of them could have been Serbs. A lot of the bodies they found have not been identified, but the BiH authorities claim they are all Bosnian Muslims.

By the way, the original story was that 7500 were missing. That doesn't mean they're all dead. Only the BiH govt claims that 7500 are dead. I have never heard 8000 before. They could be living in some country which took in a large number of refugees. Canada, Britian, and Belgium come to mind. In any event, we can't deny that a lot of muslims were killed.

Don't forget to read that finnish report.

Now that's nice to hear. So you do admit it. I didn't hear that same admition on FR. Because it wasn't proper, due to the "general view" there? Had there been many more people on FR ready to recognize what you recognize, would I consider them to be at least a bit fair. But mostly its just deny it all as far as Serb crimes are concerned.

As for Racak, I read the report, and I saw numerous pictures from the scene. It's a fact that civilians were killed, and that they were Albanians, and that the Serb forces wanted to cover up the crime. Some things are very clear Jatin.

But it's *not* a fact that civilians were killed in Racak. It has been proven over and over again that all 40 of the dead were KLA.

KLA soldier dressed in civilian clothes, right? And children and elderly who were also KLA?

Please Jatin, I have heard enough of Milosevic propaganda on FR. Not all people are that stupid and naive.

Guess what? All of the 40 bodies were adults! Not one child. The youngest of them was 18 years of age, and the oldest I believe was 46 (or 56, I can't remember). That kind of ruins your "innocent children and elderly murdered by Serb thugs" theory, doesn't it?

18 year old are still kids. And 56 year old is supposed to be age of combat soldiers? No theories of mine have been ruined, as certain things are very clear to me. And you'r using the "those thugs" mentality regarding Albanians, not me regarding Serbs. I don't consider Albanians by default terrorists, as they aren't. Just as the vast majority of Serbs aren't war criminals. I only blame those responsible. I just don't go into denying crimes that were proven and documented.

Neither do I, which is why I don't deny Srebrenica.

18 year olds are definitely not kids. If an 18 yr old was coming at you with an assault rifle, he is every bit as dangerous as a 30 yr old. Same with a 56 yr old. Where I live, 18 yr olds have the same rights as anyone else, because they are mature enough to make their own decisions.

Soldiers in most countries can be anyone aged 18 to 60. In case of a draft, they would allow 16 to 65. I can't speak for all countries but this is how it is throughout most of the world.

Terrorist organizations probably don't even care about your age. I have read reports about the war in Afghanistan in the early 80s, and they had jihadists as young as 12! They figured that the Russian soldiers might have children, and that would make them reluctant to kill other children. Of course you can't blame these children.

The dead in Racak included a kid about 13, one or two women and a few men 80 years of age or older. Which does not prove anything, except that they are dead.

Wrong. You're probably thinking of something else. In the ditch they found 40 bodies (37 males and 3 females), aged 18 to 56. I'll give you the url to the report as soon as I find it.

This is what the forensic team found after the battle. It's possible KLA dragged other bodies to the ditch, but it doesn't say anything about that in the report I read.

Matt is at least fair enough to recognize those facts Jatin. Even he can't deny it, even though he is more or less on "your" side.

I'm not on any "side". I've never been in the Balkans nor do I know anyone there, so it makes no difference to me if a bunch of Serbs go to jail for war crimes or not. I am only repeating what I have read in a report.

Ok I must be sincere and admit that I don't put you in the same hat as some others on FR (deny it all-ers) as you are ready to recognize Srebrenica while you question about the victims of Racak, based on the report. Fair enough. It's just funny, we're reading the same report yet making such opposing conclusions. If I am not mistaken you basically say that those people killed were KLA soldiers. Well, I don't deny that KLA soldiers were AMONG those killed. But I do know based on what I read from the report and the photos I saw that there were civilians, under and above the ages you mentioned. There is where we disagree.

I don't have with me the casualties list, you might be right there were no victims under 18.

Only 23 of the 45 bodies were in that ditch, which actually is a sunken path, high above the village.

You guys were reading different reports. There are many reports on Racak. You can see two on this site. The main reason for doubting the OSCE story is their odd behaviour at the crime site, the manner in which they handled the autopsy reports, and their attempt to hide the fact that a significant battle involving artillery and mortars took place in Racak on that day, during which they had observers on a hill facing the village.

Hey terrorist lover, why don't you go to Afghanistan and help your friends? I hear they're getting their asses kicked by American bombs. Go help them with their jihad!

My, you sound very familiar. Are you from FR? Or just from a KKK meeting?