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Open seeds

February 22 2009 at 3:58 PM
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AnilSezer  (Login AnilSezer)
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You can find the open seeds at the following link

http://www.casciac.org/pdfs/open_wrest09.pdf

 
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Re: Open seeds

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February 22 2009, 4:13 PM 

whoever did these seedings suck

 
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Anonymous
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February 22 2009, 4:25 PM 

i think its rediculous that a person in class s that got 4th and is like 24 and 10 is above a LL 4th that is like 29 and 2 its crazy

 
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Anonymous
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February 22 2009, 4:39 PM 

The seeding are done based on a seeding chart. The chart was in place before the tournament season started. Individual's performances in the tournaments or during the season had nothing to do with an individual wrestler's seed. The only thing that mattered is how the champion in their division did compared to the other three champions. ONLY the champions are seeded. All the rest of the wrestlers were placed in a pre-determined slot in a chart based on the four champion's seeds. The chart is available at...

http://www.casciac.org/pdfs/2009WrestOpenSeedGrid.pdf


 
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Anonymous
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February 22 2009, 4:42 PM 

thats ridicouls that a S 4 gets seeded higher than a LL 4

 
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Anonymous
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Can we please have some cheese with that whine!

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February 22 2009, 5:04 PM 

You have no idea how lucky a 4 seed is to even have the chance to wrestle at the state level (from any division). Years ago if you didn't place 1 or 2 in your division you were done for the year. It didn't matter that you had the two best in the state in your division or not; if you lost one match you were out, period. If you don't like the rules in CT move to NY were only the first place winner from each region gets to go to the state.

 
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February 22 2009, 4:54 PM 

it is best to have an understanding of how something works. there are only 4 wrestlers who are "seeded", and those are the 4 state div champs. they are seeded in the same mathematical manner as was used for seeding the div tourneys. seed pts are based on win pct, win bonus for 18 or 28 wins, and previous placement at div, open and NE from last year. Ties are broken just like for states--head to head, then "did you beat someone above you", and if not, win pct then # of wins then a coin toss. Then, just like for the states, you have a chance to move up if you have beaten the person directly ahead of you. These things happened in a few wts--for instance, Lynn & Thuotte tied in pts, but Lynn won head to head. Damici was 4 but beat #3 so he swapped. Schaeffer broke tie for 2-3 with Gelada by beating Morth (seeded above), then swapped 1 and 2 with Morth by virtue of his win. That is all there is to it. It is not a matter of opinion in ranking the 4 state champs. NO ONE ELSE IS SEEDED. Wait until New Englands when the 2 best kids meet in the quarters--then you can complain about "seeds" (no one is seeded at NE--a pre-set (new) formula is used, but 2 defending NE champs could be in same quarter bracket).

Now, undertand how the rest of the placement of wrestlers works. There are 24 different grids that take into account the 24 different scenarios created by the 4 div champs. First, no 2nd place finisher from any class can be on the same side of the bracket as that div champ. If the 2 best wrestlers are from the same div (which happens quite often), they should not meet again until the finals. Next, all 2nd and 3rds from the same div are on same side of bracket (just as all firsts and fourths). Next, the various grids allow for all the 2nd place finishers to be placed on seed lines 5-8, all 3rds fall on lines 9-12 and all 4ths fall on lines 13-16.

I hope this clarifies your lack of understanding how the system works, which was implemented to prevent the 2 best wrestlers from meeting in the semis (when it was fully random). Good luck. If you wish to see the pre-established grids, see the ciac website. Now, after having to explain this, I will attempt to get back to the process of creating the brackets, which will be posted at ciac site once completed, most likely by Monday. For the impatient, the same seed chart is used as was explained for divisionals--first round match ups add up to 17 (1 v 16, 2 v 15, 3 v 14 etc), 2nd round would add to 9 (if expected seed wins, that would be 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6, 4 v 5), where 1 and 4 are top half and 2/3 are bottom half of bracket.

 
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Anonymous
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February 22 2009, 5:22 PM 

cant wait to see some of the matchups this year
its gunna be fun

 
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Anonymous
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February 22 2009, 5:17 PM 

103- Lonergan
Spencer
Matson
Keane
112- Ekpenyong
Fraser
Jennings
Delprete
119- Costanzo
Tilbe
Orrell
Armondo
125- Lynn
Thuotte
Damici
Ferrante
130- Lopez
Liscke
Gouveia
Rigilano
135- Sargenti
Daly
Watkins
Camacho
140- Abbate
Vernik
Clarke
Giuletti
145-Schaefer
Morth
Scalise
Andrade
152- Ford
Onofrio
Carpenter
Winters
160- Lundberg
Monson
Copes
Schwartz
171- Vollaro
Fleming
Sawyer
Brainard
189- Battista
Bowman
Ingalls
Ritchie
215- Arnold
Gillen
Koch
Lynch
285- Chambers
Rothberg
Swift
Roizer

 
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February 22 2009, 6:55 PM 

There's no way ingallis is losing to battista.

 
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Anonymous
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schwartz

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February 22 2009, 7:13 PM 

schwartz will lose to nederlof in the first round or will be pinned by sullivan. Schwartz has not beaten any body good all year he is average at best

 
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Re: schwartz

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February 22 2009, 7:45 PM 

i dont think that it goes 1 for each division gets 1-4 and second gets 5-8 ect. ect. in 130 the kid who came in second at L's got the 3rd seed.

 
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(Login dnowa)
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Re: schwartz

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February 22 2009, 8:00 PM 

right kid, right seed, typo on place as he was 1st, and currently there are 2 kids listed as 2L

sorry

 
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(Login jmik34)
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February 22 2009, 8:17 PM 

i actually saw that about 3 minutes after i posted haha. felt semi retarded.

 
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