February 28 2009 at 9:33 PM No score for this post
Fury (Login FuryVids) from IP address 71.235.138.69
I'm in the process of converting them to put on youtube. they will be online sometime tonite.
i will post a link to them when im in the process of uploading them
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Before anyone starts beating up on Fury for those videos, I want you all to consider this. I suggested to Fury that he might want to consider holding off on the videos. I don't know who else did. The purpose for my suggestion was to prevent other New England state coaches from using them to scout CT wrestlers. I don't believe we (the CT wrestling community) should give those coaches any assistance in preparing for our wrestlers.
I'm curious in seeing how many people agree with this thinking. Do you think I am just paranoid? Do you think individual out-of-state wrestlers might use these videos to scout you? Can you imagine a coach taking the time to evaluate video of a potential future opponent? I'm curious what others thoughts are. Please comment below. Thanks...
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I happen to agree. I took my son down to PA. for the NHSCA pre season nationals in the fall and when we saw the brackets we went online to take a look. It turned out to be very helpful!
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heres another hint on how to socially interact with other human beings...when your son beats a kid, the first person that kids DOESNT want to see is you...so dont go running over to every kid your kid beats and be like hey..ima big goof and you wrestled great and uh hey spectacular who do you have next...they dont want to you or talk to you...just sit iny our sons corner and stay there...psycho path.
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i disagree, wrestling is not like football we dont run the same plays we adjust to our opponents. Let others see if they need be dont think its going to change the outcome, if your opponent is better than o well. Chances are alot of guys going to NE are not freshmen and therfore have wrestled in the past and seeing how ct wresting posts matches opponents have already had a decent scout. Thats just my opinion but fury will do what he wants not taking away from anyone who agrees with holding them.
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hmm im not sure, you can say if you want. I know I tend to be wrong at times. If it was about scalise over schaefer or Ford loosing to onofrio I kinda new it wouldnt happen was just kinda hoping. I live for disagreeing on this forum, only with you 3periods :)
obviously kidding
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kinda funny cuz on friday I sat probably 2 benches away from your son. He sat right in front of the danbury team right? I was near the top I think in front of the warde team. Only for a few matches though.
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Fury Video, please do not post any video until after the NE. I know everyone likes to watch the matches including me, but this is a huge advantage to the savvy coach. As a coach myself, it is my job to scout the opponent and attempt to find their strengths and weaknesses. I can tell you right now I used video that I found on the web prior to the States to analyze some of our competition and it helped us tremendously. Do not under-estimate how powerful these videos are to other coaches. Please give our guys the best chance possible by keeping them off the web until after the season is over. After that great, we all love watching, keep up the good work we do appreciate it.
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post them late Friday evening or early Saturday this way they are up there after the matches start... Any coach that wants to stay up late and scout video will come into the athletic center (Thank God not Lowell!) with no sleep. Since NH only brews one pot of coffee there won't be anything to help the guy stay awake...
Seriously I agree that posting them before New Englands can give away information that can be used against our wrestlers.
I know many wrestlers who scout Utube to check-out an upcoming wrestler they haven't faced before. Most of these CT finalist have faced these out-of-state kids at camps and tourney's in the off-season our kids might have picked up a new move or two during the season and there is no reason to tip those moves off to an out-of-state coach or kid.
-just another member of the CT peanut gallery
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jeez people can never be happy...
wrestling is a unique sport.
sure you might know what a specific kid wants to hit but
if your high caliber adjusting is just part of the game.
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There are probably many people with the open final videos. I consider myself as a true CT wrestling fan. However, if the coaches feel that posting these videos will put our kids at a disadvantage, I myself with my own kid still wrestling will not post the videos I too have.
Torchy1960
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Thanks Fury for understanding from a coach’s point-of-view. I appreciate your respect for CT wrestlers. I am not worried about nolimittomylackofintelligentcomments; I highly doubt he has the discipline required to learn a skill such as running a camera never mind uploading them to a website.
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jumob, I agree with you on the adjusting...with one thing being considered...when the playing field is equal. If these videos go up and the other NE states do not, it's not fair. I think it is an advantage to anticipate what may happen and plan a defense in competitive sports. To have a couple of days to prepare a defense would be better than having a couple of seconds. Not too many coaches would turn down a heads-up on an upcoming opponent. That's a coaches job in my opinion...to promote his strengths and exploit his opponent's weaknesses. Why make it easy for other NE coaches to do that? Those other states have wrestlers just as good as ours, do we want to make our wrestler's tendencies available to them just a download away? Those were the questions I asked myself before requesting fury hold back on the videos.
Fury, I do want to thank you for all the work you do in this area. There are many times I wish I could be where you are and see the matches you get to see. Instead of watching them, you focus on your video equipment and your "work" so that the rest of us can see what we wouldn't be able to see without you. I don't think you realize how many people appreciate your efforts and take the time to watch your work. Keep up the good work, we do appreciate it.
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I do agree on both ends. some wrestlers tend to use similar moves match after match. we had a kid who did the same move match after match. it would have become very obvious that he was gonna try and hit it.
on the other hand, i do agree that wrestling is about adjusting to your opponent.
you all forget that wrestling is also about conditioning. the guy who isnt gassing is probaly the guy who is gonna take the Win.
And thanks.
Feel free to post them nolimit. Im just trying to make everyone happy :)
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lol negrappler, pretty sure ct wrestling used some of my greater hartford videos on there web site. Think i might be capable of using a camera and posting videos, actually i just started with the open matches.
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and fury I know you are, thats cool man. Im just posting it for the other people who really want to see the matches but dont want to say they do to avoid an argument.
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If you really were in the stands filming, this tells me that you were not wrestling and/or that you are not a coach which means you are not qualified to know how a video might assist an opposing coach. Either way this means you should be wise enough to listen to those who are more experienced than you and heed their advice for the sake of your fellow wrestlers.
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who says im not coach? Who says im not a wrestler because i was in the stands? You think no wrestlers were in the stands? Or are you trying to say i must be a crappy wrestler because i wasnt in the state finals? All the coaches who are worried about all the Ne wrestlers scoping there guys out need to chill. So we shouldnt post any matches ever during the season that involve potential NE participants?
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You know and I know that you are not a coach. If you were you wouldn’t make half the comments you make on this site. As far as you being a good wrestler, I can not say; only you, your teammates and your coaches know that, but I do hope for your sake that one day you do make it to the finals so you will understand how hard these individuals had to work to get there and then realize that you wouldn’t want anyone to give your competition even a slight advantage over you.
Just for the record, I did not say you were a bad wrestler, what I said was that you were not qualified to know how a video might assist an opposing coach. As a high school wrestler it would be highly unlikely that you would have the desire or skills to study film of your opponent and be able to effectively analyze it to use in your favor.
As far as past video on the web; this is useful, but certainly not as useful as when a wrestler competes at the highest level in the state. The focus is different, the competition is at its best and each individual has to bring his A-game. This is the video I want to see just before my guys compete at the next level.
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lol my point exactly you have no idea who I am or what I do. Therefore should not make assumptions about me. Your assumptions are entirely off, as far as whether I coach or wrestle is irrelevant to the topic. I seriously doubt that if anyone saw the videos from different states would change the outcome of the tournament. Wrestlers change there styles to there opponent. No wrestler wrestles the same all the time otherwise more than likely loose matches and not be in the finals. By watching a wrestler on video you could pick up things like oh he likes to choose down. O he likes stand ups, o he throws legs in.. lol wrestlers who have taken top 4 in there state are already well prepared for all these. All I wanna do is entertain the less fortunate individuals who were not able to make the drive to downtown New Haven to witness the finals. If I were against ct wrestlers I would just go onto Mass Wrestling and post the link to the videos. Buut I wouldn't do that just want to show the people who are interested in the seeing the matches.
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This will be my last post to you; I am giving up trying to give you constructive advice since nothing I say will ever convince you that I am speaking from experience not from my personal opinion like you. I have coached kids to victory from studying film and I am trying to pass along this valuable experience in order to give our kids the best chance next week.
I do not care about those who missed the open because they couldn’t be there; there is no way it will have a negative impact on them if they wait one more week.
Whether you are a coach, a parent or just a kid who thinks he knows all about the world already, you have demonstrated your lack of ability to absorb information and knowledge from those who clearly have more experience than you. You will go far in this world with that kind of attitude. The real world loves guys like you.
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i agree with jumob, u gotta be able to adjust.. like when i started wrestling him i switched from shootin high crotches to outside singles just to stay away from that stupid switch :P
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I agree that a posted video will give a competitor an advantage. If you can't see that you are blinded.
Yes you need to adjust during the match, but that takes time to feel out. If you already know what your opponent uses you are at an advantage.
It is foolish to say that wrestlers change all the time, becuase they mostly don't. They use what they do best when they are in tough matches. For example Thoutte cross face cradle, Volero power single, Victor bear hug. I could go on and on. Some kids have nasty legs, if you know that you don't choose down if you don't have too. If you never seen that wrestle and don't know that you may choose down and give up points, or get stuck.
That is all that is being said here, it is clearly that simple, but as I am well aware of nothing is that simple here on pin to win.
Fury you know me well enough. I wouldn't post them just out of respect for our guys this time.
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hey fury, listen I want to ask you if you have the 130 final in mts format?
because, it was my son wrestling and i let someone else record while i just watched and they didnt press the record button.. go figure. I just hate that i dont have this video.
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it is not mike monson. the ip address from the computer that posted the response about acca was from Stratford. also, i personally know mike and know for a fact he would never say something like that.
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Well I dont know who you are maybe you know who i am i dont know. let me know maybe you can burn the file on a disc for me just let me know i appreciate it very much. let me know if there's anything i can do for you thanks
Torchy1960
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I do agree that viewing video of a wrestler can help an opponent prepare; however, I also disagree that this fact should be a reason to delay posting the videos on-line.
Last Saturday morning, my son and I watched a video of his upcoming opponent and noticed that he liked to go after the right leg when going for takedowns; in the video he did it twice in the first round. Sure enough, he tried it against my son last Saturday and he was ready for it and his counter led to some first-round points and ultimately he won the match. No doubt his scouting helped a little.
On the other hand, my son and I also watched video of him from the SCC finals, viewing it from the perspective of a prospective opponent. What might an opponent glean from this video, what might he prepare as a result, how can you be ready for it?
As a result, he had a special new move ready for his first-round opponent on Friday, and hit it in overtime to pull off what many would consider a major upset (I think that in the whole state, only his coaches, him and me expected him to win).
Jet Li had a wonderful line in a film when he was asked why have fighting tournaments if the goal is not to win. He replied, a good opponent helps me discover weakness in myself that I otherwise would not be aware of, so that I can improve it.
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