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Is there any way I could locate or find out information
about the early Greene records of St. Bartholomew Church or Parish? Any information supplied will be greatly appreciated. Also, is there any known family tree of the early Greene's in England? We are looking for information about Alexander De Greene, knighted by King John in 1202 and who his ancestors were.
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Have you tried the Northants Record Office in Northamptonshire??? They have volumes of early records relating to the village and to the Parish Church available for anyone to peruse.
Thank you for your enquiry!!
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July 27 2006, 2:44 PM
Lynn Knight, the daughter of the last rector (now retired) wrote an unpublished thesis on the Greene Family of which I have a copy from which I have taken the relevant detail for a current project to renovate the Greene Monuments in Greens Norton Church.
The most relevant date about your enquiry is:
"The Greene's origins aren't at all clear "Of the Original of the house of Greene we have no certain information" (This is due to the limited amount of material that is available, regarding fourteenth century England).
Halstead, Bridges and Baker all claim that they derived from the Boketons who emerged at Boughton, a village just outside Northampton. Baker says that
"... they assumed their Name and Arms from an allusion to their principal and beloved Lordship:... a spacious and delightful Green, upon which, at the desire of the Lords, was yearly held and exercised a Fair. Hence they were called Greene. or of the Greene"
From Boketon of the Green they simply became Greene.
The Victoria County History paints a rather different picture. It identifies them with the Greenes of Isham where, by 1428, at least three generations of the Greenes had been tenants of William de L'Isle. These Greenes seem to have been wool merchants as a Henry de Greene of Isham was appointed to buy wool in Northamptonshire in 1337, 1338 and 1343 (possibly the same Henry who later became Chief Justice). These two theories raise great difficulties when it comes to developing a family pedigree. If Bridges and Baker are to be taken as correct, Sir Henry Greene's father was Thomas Greene of Boughton. However if the latter is adopted we find that his father was Henry Greene of Isham. Therefore when trying to number the Henry's, Sir Henry Greene would be I according to the first account but II according to the second. The former has been adopted for this study, as Sir Henry Greene's parentage is a mystery either way, both lines being feasible.
Baker could be right as Sir Henry is supposedly buried at Boughton, but VCH could also be right in that he was connected with a landed family from Isham. The contradictions which come to light between sources is important in helping an historian build a more conclusive picture which they have been forced to think out for themselves.
The limitation of sources is again reinforced when we see that Sir Henry Green is the only Greene who is mentioned in the Dictionary of National Biography, which is quite surprising considering their later family connections.
I'm sorry I don't have more information about the sources of this data apart from the fact that it was obtained from the Northamptonshire Record office in Northampton.
If you enquire from them about the Victoria County History, Halstead, Bridges and Baker. They should be able to find the original documents for you.
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July 27 2006, 2:44 PM
Lynn Knight, the daughter of the last rector (now retired) wrote an unpublished thesis on the Greene Family of which I have a copy from which I have taken the relevant detail for a current project to renovate the Greene Monuments in Greens Norton Church.
The most relevant date about your enquiry is:
"The Greene's origins aren't at all clear "Of the Original of the house of Greene we have no certain information" (This is due to the limited amount of material that is available, regarding fourteenth century England).
Halstead, Bridges and Baker all claim that they derived from the Boketons who emerged at Boughton, a village just outside Northampton. Baker says that
"... they assumed their Name and Arms from an allusion to their principal and beloved Lordship:... a spacious and delightful Green, upon which, at the desire of the Lords, was yearly held and exercised a Fair. Hence they were called Greene. or of the Greene"
From Boketon of the Green they simply became Greene.
The Victoria County History paints a rather different picture. It identifies them with the Greenes of Isham where, by 1428, at least three generations of the Greenes had been tenants of William de L'Isle. These Greenes seem to have been wool merchants as a Henry de Greene of Isham was appointed to buy wool in Northamptonshire in 1337, 1338 and 1343 (possibly the same Henry who later became Chief Justice). These two theories raise great difficulties when it comes to developing a family pedigree. If Bridges and Baker are to be taken as correct, Sir Henry Greene's father was Thomas Greene of Boughton. However if the latter is adopted we find that his father was Henry Greene of Isham. Therefore when trying to number the Henry's, Sir Henry Greene would be I according to the first account but II according to the second. The former has been adopted for this study, as Sir Henry Greene's parentage is a mystery either way, both lines being feasible.
Baker could be right as Sir Henry is supposedly buried at Boughton, but VCH could also be right in that he was connected with a landed family from Isham. The contradictions which come to light between sources is important in helping an historian build a more conclusive picture which they have been forced to think out for themselves.
The limitation of sources is again reinforced when we see that Sir Henry Green is the only Greene who is mentioned in the Dictionary of National Biography, which is quite surprising considering their later family connections.
I'm sorry I don't have more information about the sources of this data apart from the fact that it was obtained from the Northamptonshire Record office in Northampton.
If you enquire from them about the Victoria County History, Halstead, Bridges and Baker. They should be able to find the original documents for you.
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