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December 9 2004 at 3:37 AM
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Wojciech  (Login Wojciech)
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First of all, why are you unable with that what I actually wrote and you resort to distorting it? I hope you misread it and was't actually lying in order to smear me.

You wrote:

"When some Pole, like you, starts describing how Ukrainians all love Poles, how they were happy little campers under Polish rule,"

I never wrote they were happy.

I wrote:

"This makes the memory of much stronger Russian opression (like the Great Famine)make the Ukrainians largely not care so much about the roughly non-existent Austrian opression and the moderate Polish opression"

I portray the Polish opression as moderate, harsher than Austrian but gentler than Russian and I give a exact example of the genocidal Russian opression- the Great Famine,something much worser than anything we Poles have ever done to Ukrainians.

Please, tell me what do you think of the Great Famine... You know, when in the Soviet Union Ukrainians were dying from the Great Famine, in Poland they were opressed but nobody was actually killing them in millions. What do you think about that difference?

As for Ukrainians disliking Poles, it is a fact that the Ukrainians in Kiev have greeted Polish politicans and artists by shouting "Poland! Poland!" and waved Polish flags at them.

For my part, I have to point out once again that Russians have always been and will always remain more preferrable to regular Ukrainians than Poles.

'In general, the Polish claims about Poland and Russia being former colonial masters of Ukraine on an equal basis are ludicrous -- Ukrainians have always had a stake in the Russian Empire, and their stake became even more equal in USSR.'

Yes, especially when they were dying in millions during the Great Famine.

"Only under Polish rule was Ukraine made a true colony in all negative aspects of the word.."

And this is why the Ukrainians from regions which experienced both Polish and Russian rule hate Russia more?

"To be entirely fair, my allergy to Poles stems not from personal history (since the place where I was born and grew up never actually came under Polish rule), but from talking to characters like you..

You pretend to represent the opinion of Poles in general, and I actually believe you in that -- that's why my allergy is not directed at you personally, but at your entire country."

Like me? That means like what?

I think that since Yushchenko will most likely win the struggle, you will be exposed to more and more people who think like me, I'm afraid. But you have a nice Third World country named Russia beyond the border... why not move there to live in poverty with think-alikes?

Just look at this: "my allergy to Poles stems not from personal history (since the place where I was born and grew up never actually came under Polish rule)"

So what is your knowledge of Poles in reality? Why not listen to Ukrainians from the West who have experienced BOTH on their own skin and 'somehow' hate Russians much more?


the whole point of US and Polish participation is that the elections were falsified and the majority of Ukrainians do favour Yushchenko. No, I don't mean that US cares so much about democracy in Ukraine, even though we Poles actually do.
I mean that if Yushchenko did't have much higher support than Yanukovych, then the US would not intervene in any way, because they woud know they would lose. In other words the US knows this 'war' must be won with the hands of the Ukrainians and any of US participation is a proof that the US at least believes that Yushchenko has huge support (and it seems they are right).

And the politicians probably go to work to Moscow, which is the biggest isle of prosperity among the sea of poverty which is Russia.

Come on, are you denying that Russia is a country with poor standarts of living, a pauper state compared to US or any UE country including Poland or Hungary?

 
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