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Trick Flow Cleveland heads

November 8 2008 at 9:32 AM
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Photo from SEMA website.
All I can find out is that they are 190cc - I assume 2V style.

 
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Re: Trick Flow Cleveland heads

November 8 2008, 9:53 AM 

Look how close the intake port comes to the pan rail. Interesting to say the least. What is old is new again.

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Dan
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close

November 8 2008, 11:05 AM 

thats how the C302B /BF300 are cast ,

 
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Roo
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Damn, can't see the ports in that pic

November 8 2008, 11:00 AM 

good hunting thou!

 
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Dan
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TF heads

November 8 2008, 1:24 PM 

great to see they got into Clevelands. TF makes a great head, sure these will follow their past rep. might be no need for any off shore C head

 
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Miller Mylan
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TFS

November 8 2008, 1:47 PM 

Have you got any pics of the ports Are they another set of 2 barrol heads or a set of big port .

 
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Jim Sams
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That's the only photo I have found.

November 8 2008, 2:29 PM 

Maybe I can round up some more photos in a few days.

 
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Rich Carlisle
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TFS Heads

November 11 2008, 8:33 AM 

Anymore info on these heads? They look like Edelbrocks. Are they reworking these heads?

 
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SEMA - Trick Flow heads

November 11 2008, 10:24 AM 

Saw them, touched them. I was going to post, but I haven't had time to do much since we got back from Vegas. I have the flow figures and have spoken with them about becoming a dealer. I'll post the figures when I get a chance, maybe tomorrow. They are on a business card in a big pile of catalogs somewhere. Of course, I did not have the camera with me when I looked at them - or when I spoke with Jack Roush later.

They are a 190cc intake port, 2V size with meat to be hogged out to 4V size. The exhaust is raised .100 and has a nice "D" shape to it. I forget the valve sizes but I think they are 4V or there abouts. Springs are good to about .680 lift. Chamber size is 62cc. Should sell comparable to the Edelbrocks, in the $1900~2000/pair range. Flow figs look decent and the head is very, very nice in person. No word on availability but should be soon.

1967 Falcon 4 door 351C-4V
1970 Mustang 351C-2V
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neat if.....

November 11 2008, 10:50 AM 

might be ok if TFS comes up with a cnc program to make it match a 4V port but improved at the same time.

 
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Jim Sams
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More Info from Trick Flow

November 11 2008, 11:01 AM 

190cc "as cast" finish intake port volume.
2.08"/1.60" valves.
62cc CNC profiled heart shaped combustion chamber.
2bbl port opening (has enough meat to port match to a 4bbl port).
Flows 300 cfm intake / 230 cfm exhaust @ .600" lift right out of the box with no porting.
Stock valve locations/angles are maintained so piston usage is not an issue.
Roof of exhaust port is raised .100", the floor of the port is filled in to remove the dogleg shape of the port. Header fitment is not affected.
Initially we will be offering a 1.460" dual spring (120lbs seat / 390lbs open) that is good for .650" lift & a 1.530" dual spring (138lbs / 430lbs open) that is good for .680" lift. Additional spring options to follow.
7/16" ARP screw in studs / pushrod guideplates.

 
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Miller Mylan
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What about a set of CNC heads

November 11 2008, 1:16 PM 

What about a set of CNC'D TFS Clevelands. I am a little reluctant on trying another set of 2 barrel Aluminum heads. The last two sets we tried couldn't match the ported 4V heads we are using now.

 
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Randy
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domes.....

November 11 2008, 3:21 PM 

on existing pistons for iron heads WILL NOT WORK!!!!!!

Any thing above a flat top will require a special dome shape

similar to Yates, CHI, and Pro Comp heads.

Randy

 
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Rich Carlisle
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Re: SEMA - Trick Flow heads

November 12 2008, 10:40 AM 

Things are looking up for the Clevelands.

 
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Re: Trick Flow Cleveland heads

November 11 2008, 12:36 PM 

With a 2K price, I'm not sure what their market is when CHIs flowing similar numbers are available for less than 1600USD

 
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Price

November 11 2008, 4:14 PM 

Just got a price sheet and they are not listed yet. Where are you getting CHI 2Vs assembled for $1600 US? They are $2000 on the CHI site, $2200 with comparable springs and Ferrea 6000s.

1967 Falcon 4 door 351C-4V

1970 Mustang 351C-2V

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Re: Price

November 11 2008, 4:47 PM 

I stand corrected. I made a mental note of the bare price because I wouldn't trust any head manufacturer to give me good and appropriate springs and studs like most assembled heads come with.

 
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Flow figures / other

November 12 2008, 10:55 AM 

I believe these are "as cast" and cleaned up. I didn't ask about a CNC version, but I would assume they would do a program once someone develops a port shape.

Intake
.1 - 68
.2 - 140
.3 - 202
.4 - 248
.5 - 286
.6 - 299

Exhaust
.1 - 55
.2 - 111
.3 - 151
.4 - 187
.5 - 217
.6 - 232

I also don't think my current business model qualifies for their dealer program, but I might know someone that does. That person also owns a dyno and a plan would be to join the dealer program, get a set and do a back-to-back test on the dyno. The engine in the Mustang is a "typical" 2V - home ported heads, flat top pistons, etc. I'd like to put an F-238 solid in the motor first. I have an Excellerator and the 2V Funnelweb that's on the engine now. A dyno plan would be to run with both intakes on the iron heads, then switch to the TF heads out of the box and run two more tests. If it would pull together, it'd be 4-6 months from now because the dyno shop is under construction. There's also the question if the owner wants to even market TF heads. I would personally like to do it, do a write up and shop it to the magazines.


Update - these are supposedly with the 190 cc port, 2.08/1.6 valves


1967 Falcon 4 door 351C-4V
1970 Mustang 351C-2V

http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod
Owner built, owner abused.

 
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Re: Flow figures / other

November 12 2008, 1:27 PM 

Boy, if they'd shell out for one more dyno run and put a MME cam in with those heads, we could actually get an article about clevelands that shuts a lot of people up!!!! The thought is TANTALIZING!!!

 
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Dyno

November 12 2008, 2:00 PM 

The 2V we have uses a 226/230 hydro right now with ported open chamber 2V heads. In good air, the engine makes right around 400HP, 300~320 RWHP based on weight and MPH on the track.

I'd estimate that using even the old school F-238 and the new TF heads would net a bump of somewhere around 60 ~ 80 FWHP. With one of the newer Lunati grinds in the 240+ intake range with 106~108 LC, closer to the 100 mark. Yes, that would knock a couple of folks back on their seats.

Two hold ups here - 1) friend is not set up for business yet and 2) I'm fixing to start about a 3 month chop/cut/rebuild of a kitchen & bedroom that can have no delays if financing and delivery schedules are to be met. And it ain't like TV - floors, walls and ceiling have to come out to the studs and go back. Ugh. Where's Ty Pennington when you need him. BUT - If I get the house finished, then I can finish the shop and I can devote most of my time to car things. I just bought a new framing nailer, so I get tools out of the deal and she gets a decent kitchen. Boys and girls gotta eat.

1967 Falcon 4 door 351C-4V
1970 Mustang 351C-2V
http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod
Owner built, owner abused.

 
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Dan
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Flow

November 12 2008, 1:48 PM 

OTB with 2.80 valve, they got some good flow. like said might be no need for off shore, unless the dollar is the issue + or - $$$$

 
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Flow comparo to Chi 2v

November 12 2008, 2:10 PM 

http://www.tmeyerinc.com/351Caluminumheads.htm

Trick Flow put some decent time into this head, the Chi has larger valves 2.15 & 1.65 compared to TF's 2.08 & 1.60.

 
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cmf60
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Good to see

November 12 2008, 5:04 PM 

Good to see another player come out with C heads.... the more the better.
Whilst flow numbers don't always indicate performance, they are very close to CHI's 2V's but as mentioned...with smaller valves. That should mean they are potentially better.... time will tell.
Keep em coming manufacturers !!!

 
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how about a good new intake

November 12 2008, 6:45 PM 

Now we need a intake to match the heads. It is sure nice to see some intrest in the old Cleveland.

 
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One that will fit under a hood....n/m

November 13 2008, 9:46 PM 

n/m

 
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Get a Funnelweb and a saber saw LOL n/m

November 14 2008, 10:56 AM 

n/m

1967 Falcon 4 door 351C-4V
1970 Mustang 351C-2V
http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod
Owner built, owner abused.

 
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Dan
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you forgot the

November 14 2008, 10:59 AM 

super glue and duct tape

 
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xafalcongs
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TFS EFI....

November 15 2008, 7:17 AM 

TFS make some nice upper plenums for the 302/351W EFI crowd. It would be nice if they would make a 351C lower that would match their existing uppers.

 
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xafalcongs
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Now we just need....

November 15 2008, 10:51 AM 

World or Dart to bring out a Cleveland version of their 9.2" blocks....doubt that will happen now that Edelbrock has brought out there "Boss" intakes.

 
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tinman
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blocks waiting on the pour

November 15 2008, 1:00 PM 

http://www.network54.com/Forum/136503/thread/1199046817/Links+to+Tod+Buttermore%27s+Cleveland+Block+Posts

would TF's upper be enough for a Cleveland? how big?

XA, hast thou no faith in the Buttermore? fret not, your alloy steed is on the nigh...

did Tod ever decide on what to call the new block?

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xafalcongs
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TFS uppers

November 15 2008, 5:26 PM 

TFS has 351W specific upper and lowers so they do have an upper with a large enough plenum volume to handle 351ci.

I've been keeping up with Tod's block but I'm hoping for something I don't have to find a specialty machine shop to finish machining before assembly. Decking, boring, and honing are all I trust any of the local guys to accomplish on a Ford motor....everyone speaks Chebby around here but a few have expressed some interest in my "big block".

 
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Machining

November 19 2008, 12:35 PM 

According to Tod's posts, all that is neccessary is honing the cam, crank, and cylinder bores.

 
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