Sorry yes, they are two completely independent servers and systems
August 19 2008, 5:54 PM
Sorry to say there is zero transfer between the two sites (this is why even long after we have ever migrated to 2.0 I intend to maintain the locked 1.0 Xweb online indefinitely to host the first ten years worth of archives) - therefore your accounts here on Xweb 1.0 do not exist on Xweb 2.0 and vice versa. I do have 2.0 set up like 1.0 for now where you CAN post without being logged in, you just have to type a "yes I am a human" verification code and manually re-enter your name each time. Or, just create a 2.0 account, and see what there is (so far) to play with, like the private messaging system, user profile pages, etc etc
I have different reasons for having it unlocked over here vs over there. "For now" accountless posting is only enabled across the board over there because I want whatever traffic decides to post during the test period. Over here though you're right it's got a long and sordid history...
The plans are all still fluid but my thought on it at this time is this, the main reasons I ever ran Xweb 1.0 in "anonymous posting allowed" mode was because I wanted it to be as open to all as I could, I did not like the thought of a shy or new enthusiast "just passing through" not bothering to post their observation or question or desperate tech need, or some random seller of an X1/9 swinging by FSW and deciding not to bother posting that X because he was too lazy or in too much of a hurry to sit and create an account.
Over time I have assessed that people who wish to engage in DF discussion typically WILL create an account anyway, for the most part, but, random X sellers who may never be coming back after posting one a lot of them don't.
Apart from being able to have somewhat better handling of forum "tangles" on 2.0 as you suggest, what this observation means to me is that we CAN run the DF over there in "all can read, but login to post" mode seems it should present no problem, especially because, on Xweb 2.0 (iirc) the admin controls should allow setting that specific to each subforum! So we can do that in DF and NBS and yet still leave FSW open for accountless posting to address that element.
Sound like a plan (or at least the beginning of one)?
Forward thinking, well, it did take ten frekin years for me to finally accept it man... but thank you for the complement
The main focus of any of my thinking on it really has been more philosophical than technical (this may be why visible progress on the tech element of the site has been so slow...
Ten years ago (almost) Xweb was born with me having ZERO experience at "care and feeding" of a forum and all that that entails, and at a snail's pace I evolved from there (even now some may question by how much or by what measure...but) Xweb 2.0 is being founded on the same spirit and principles as the original, BUT incorporates the background that this time I now am heading into this with almost ten years of the good, the bad, the ugly, the one-in-a-million, the train wreck unspeakable, the WHOLE ball of wax in "hindsight"(?) to draw from.
I have no desire or intent to "change" the basic simplicities or more pleasing elements or philosophy or "spirit" of what Xweb is to people, only just to evolve what we have here, to upgrade the underlying system to solve some long standing technical problems and drawbacks of V1, and to do so with minimal growing pains for all parties while maximizing the once-in-a-decade chance to see what we can "clean up" of "good old V1" and make as good as V1 would have been to start with if not for its own various inherent limitations...
That way, you reduce anonymous posts, spam, etc. and IDENTIFY all the "Bobs" and folks that enjoy using the first letter of their name. (which is a LOT easier than posting "ANONYMOUS" and has the exact same significance.)
Why not sign in for posts? You can still lurk anonymously.
... thing I learned and which influenced me differently here than it will over there, on Xweb v1 there have been many times where I have heard individual users tell me they were unable to get logged into their N54 account for some reason or another. Most of the times that I've heard sounded like funky browser issues interacting with funky N54. Over there we are on a MUCH more advanced system (code/option-wise) as well as one widely tested even in the oddest of browsers, I think the bulk of keeping it open to ensure people are not locked out of posting for being locked out of an account is also one more "problem solved" upon moving. And the 2.0 system has a very good search engine!! And a more robust events calendar, and and and! Stay tuned.
Yes before anyone asks sorry to add that the search over there cannot return results from over here
Maybe one day we will do a full archival dupe/migration to the new system where it could all be attacked by the new search but that is not likely any time soon. Afaik no one has ever successfully mated N54 to vbulletin in terms of a "translator" system by which to do that. We could set up a mirror site off N54 of the old archives, but, then it would have NO search, we'd have to add a third party one, which is theoretically possible, but again not likely any time soon.
In that context to me just keeping Xweb 1.0 online on N54 as a static archive becomes the best looking option, we all know and love how crappy the results on N54s search engine are but even at that it is still a better search than the other options would offer anytime soon.
I even have the search parameters cheat sheet I got from the prez of N54 for making this search engine turkey fly and still I can never find one damn thing when I try... For years I've been pretty much relying on JD to find stuff and post a link to it Sorry JD the new search might put you out of biz over there, but look at it this way, we'll ALWAYS have need for your mad skills for help in the 1.0 archives!!
.... but the "nothing to search" won't last too long once an "official" move is on. At least in terms of a lot of the basics in tech that get asked over and over anyway, or things that can be linked in posts from there to archives here, it won't take too long to develop some usefulness
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