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Help Needed! Need a new UNO TURBO Mk2

October 25 2008 at 12:25 AM
 

The one I bought has been previously detonated.

Can anyone help with finding another as it is taking up my mechanics garage and he is more than unhappy.

Other than that my daily driver got riden off last week after being rear ended so I have 0 cars!

Anyone that can help - I would appreciate it!!

I have spent thousands upon thousands on this build and am in some way in to deep to return.

If possible I would need an engine that has been compression tested before hand because I can not rely on the good old words of "Low milage engine".

Thank you all.

Giancarlo

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Why the concern? This looks VERY fixable to me.

October 25 2008, 6:01 AM 

...a bit of work on the head (weld and resurface) and a good decking of the block and you should be back in business for less than the cost of a used engine. Just smooth those dents in the piston crown with a dremel tool and a sanding disk - I've seen MUCH worse.

Is you decide to scrap the engine I'll buy it (if shipping is reasonable) - maybe that would help fund the cost of a replacement.

Hang in there!

Chris

'82 Spider
'87 X1/9
15 others long and forgotten
Newark, DE

 
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Or Get Another Cylinder Head

October 25 2008, 8:33 AM 

if possible.The block can be "decked" surfaced and all should be well with it. Smooth out the rough edges on the piston and it should be good to go.

Really, the damage is not that serious. This Uno Turbo engine is worth saving as few are still around these days.

 
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As others have said...

October 25 2008, 9:42 AM 

Get a new head for it, and deck the block. You will be just fine.

Eric Armstrong

 
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Giancarlo... in the photos where you point at the block...

October 25 2008, 10:12 AM 

... specifically at a line between the two water jackets... that's not a crack is it?  Looks to be a dent or something from the fragment the broke off.

If so... I too agree with the rest... and wonder a bit about the term "DETONATION" and your mechanic's concerns.

I think I would pay him for his trouble up to now, and rebuild or find another to rebuild this mill for you.

Where are you located... we might be able to refer you...



My best,



Tony
Black Tooth and me... since 1983!


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Steve Cecchele

Re: Help Needed! Need a new UNO TURBO Mk2

October 25 2008, 4:18 PM 

I'm not sure what the rest of you can see, but the block looks like it's cracked to me...

If the engine has been detonating to the point where it has burst the gasket fire ring, damaged the head and cracked the block, I would be VERY suspect about using ANY of the internal components.

The head could be welded and resurfaced sure ... but the block wouldn't be economical to repair, and I would be suspect (until things were measured) of the crank (for twist) and the rod / piston assembly on that cylinder ... small cracks are likely in the piston (to the top ring land) from the "Hammering" you get when you have detontation.

I think you should try to come to some arrangement with the seller of the engine ... unfortunately "Caveat Emptor" (sp?) ... buyer beware

SteveC


 
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I would also tend to agree with your evaluation Steve... I just can't tell if those are...

October 26 2008, 12:13 AM 

... three cracks or three marks from where the gasket was seated.

But I wouldn't even know where to begin with filling that chunk that is missing on an iron block... I've seen all sorts of repairs that do well on aluminum blocks, but then they are usually sleeved also.

My old 303 Oldsmobile was salvaged by boring and sleeving ONE cylinder... and as you stated... it probably was NOT an inexpensive venture.



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Re: Help Needed! Need a new UNO TURBO Mk2

October 26 2008, 6:26 AM 

I am on the same page with Steve on this one. I suspect the damage is much worse than it appears. Even if you do a dye penetrant test I would expect you will find more. If it were me I would not use it.

I appreciate the one off stories, I knew a guy who epoxied a main bearing in place after he spun it in his Triumph GT6 and for at least two years that I know of it stayed together. I also appreciate the idea of repairing the block and redecking it. It is very common for high output engines with floating cylinders, i.e. Honda to weld a plate at the block top to keep them from moving around but a known good block is used and significant additional work is done to improve longevity.

The big concern is it is a lot of effort and expense to repair and replace the known bad parts on a questionable block. I don't know your location but I suspect this is a case where you can't just run down to the local boneyard and get a new block etc.

I think you could patch it and get it to run but for how good and for how long is the question.

By the way I have blown a Toyota 4AGE motor (MR2) and rebuilt it because of a detonation issue. The pistons and cylinder walls were destroyed but not to the extent you are showing - I got very lucky.

Keep us posted, good luck and peace,

Brian

 
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Rebuild

October 26 2008, 10:35 PM 

Yeah not a fan of rebuilding something with this extent of damage. The photos don't show enough detail to be conclusive but it looks worse when your looking at it in real.

I have found another engine in England and hopefully I have some luck and can actually buy it and not get sold a dud. Postage will be heaps but I need to take whats available I guess and customs I'm sure will chase me.

Hopefully I can get it. I'll need to buy another turbo as the one on this current engine has oil all through it and a fair bit of movement, but hopefully I can use some parts like the exhaust man, etc.

I'll stay in touch.

Thanks everyone so far.

 
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Mate . . . take a breather

October 26 2008, 11:10 PM 

By the sounds of things you are about to make a decision that will overcapitalise the car beyond any and all realms of comprehension. Do you still have the original 1500 sitting around? If I recall, it's only problem was a 'dead' valve (probably exhaust), correct?

Why not, then, simply take the head off that, pop it down to somewhere in Sydney to have that fixed properly (if you need the name of a good place, just ask me. I had one done for about $700-00 quite recently) put that back onto the engine and that engine back in the car and get the car back on the road for under a grand. Taking that approach also just might get you to the Fiat Nationals in Goulburn in January as well.

Just my thoughts (Oh . . . and by the way . . . from those photos it would be my opinion that that engine is cactus and repairable only after the expenditure of huge sums of money). But, having 'been there done that . . .'

 
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Rachael

Slow Boat to Oz

October 27 2008, 1:49 AM 

Giancarlo,

I'm shipping some engines and bodykits to Adelaide in a big crate very soon; been waiting for the bodykits to be made. Who/where are you getting your engine from in England? Please don't say Redmist Racing!

Cheers R

 
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Giancarlo

....lol (nt)

October 27 2008, 5:42 AM 

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plenty of Fiat Uno Turbo parts

October 27 2008, 2:34 PM 

just only the 1300cc types, not the 1400cc types.

Cylinderheads, blocks, complete engines with or without turbo
Engine management from Bosch, Magneti Marelli etc etc.

Ciao, Jan-Cor
from Holland but will ship worldwide

 
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