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Dulce hoax?

June 4 2001 at 4:03 PM
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In one of the Streiber theads Chem posted this:

"Psylenced, the article you posted was actually fairly accurate in a lot of respects. Dulce, however is a complete and proven hoax, as are the accompanying stories of human body parts floating in vats. We could trace the origins of the particular fabrication to a certain dubious indiviual, but we're already way off-topic."

I have found a lot of information about Dulce, but nothing that exposes it as a hoax. Could you post some links, or book titles about it? I know there is a site somewhere that debunks UFO hoaxes and such. Do they have a piece on Dulce?

 
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June 4 2001, 9:01 PM 

Yeah, this get's back to the Paul Bennewitz/William Moore fiasco.

I think John Lear had a hand in propagating this nonsense as well.

I'll post some info later tonight, Questor.

 
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Links

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June 4 2001, 10:49 PM 

I think, but I'm not sure if, the Dulce material is specifically cited in the following links. I do know that this 'secret base at Dulce with human body-parts in roiling vats' was fed to this particular UFO researcher by William Moore as part of a dis-information campaign to de-stabilize Bennewitz. It worked, too. The guy wound up in a psych ward.

Apparently, Bennewitz got too close to the truth regarding our experiments with ELF and they rolled out the horror show.

Something to think about when dealing with these types of sources.

http://www.tje.net/para/documents/ebe/ebe11.htm

http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1997/apr/m07-019.shtml


 
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major moore

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June 4 2001, 11:56 PM 

Moore? Afintel out of Patterson, the word, from way back in the day. Does spying for Wackenhut and was/is on their payroll.

 
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June 11 2001, 2:49 AM 

http://themarsrecords.com Is the firefight in the appendix real?

 
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June 11 2001, 6:30 PM 

From what I read in those articles, Bennewitz had the information about abductions and body parts from a woman who claimed to have been abducted and to have seen these things. That supposedly took place about a year before the gov. and Moore started messing with his mind. Was this woman part of the plot?

There are other stories about Dulce going around too, such as Branton's Dulce Book and the papers describing the experiences of several people claiming to have various positions at the base such as security guard, etc. And there are at least two separate accounts of the Dulce Wars, as they call it. If it is a hoax, it is a well-rounded one.

There are other sources that mention body parts in vats in underground bases too. Complete with descriptions of how they got there and how they are used.

Why would the disinfo agents want to promulgate such a story? Doesn't seem to fit with any of their agendas. They want us to believe aliens will invade from space, not from underground, right?

 
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I hate hoaxes!

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June 11 2001, 7:14 PM 

From what I understand, this effort was done to steer Benny away from the the ELF military projects that were going on, almost literally, in his own backyard.

The horror story he was fed was designed to de-stabilize him mentally and emotionally.

This is according to Moore, who admitted to feeding him disinfo supplied by his military INTEL masters.

Which is why it bugs. All this crap can be traced back to Moore, who admitted his involvement. Yet the sory has has attained it's own place in pop culture.

Hell, there are people out there who still believe the Billy Meir photographs are genuine

Now, I recall somebody going out to Dulce and posting photographs and some sort of sub-surface radar soundings that came back negative. There's nothing there. It's floating around cyberspace somewhere...


    
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Phil Schneider

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June 21 2001, 1:14 AM 

was a SURVIVOR of the Dulce firefight. Read his lecture in appendix #IV of of The Mars Records; and learn why he went public and began uploading 140 thousand pages of data onto the web about government structure and the whole plan.
In appendix V learn why his death was offically ruled suicide.

 
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Are Pleadians Real?

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June 23 2001, 9:44 AM 

Billy Meir is not the only one who claims to have seen them; Michael Reilfe has too. But he says he wants safe passage to Alpha Centuari 4 before someone on earth kills him. What's the hoax proof on the photos?

 
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Human mutilation?

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June 30 2001, 5:22 PM 


 
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Hell, there are people out there who still believe the Billy Meir photographs are genuine

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July 5 2001, 2:51 AM 

Chem11 what do you know about aliens? How do you know the Meir photos are not genuine? Until I read The Mars Records I thought the only aliens around were Klingon and Furengi.

 
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Guess who presented this lovely photo..

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July 5 2001, 3:37 AM 

...claiming he traveled to The Land That Time Forgot?

 
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