It seems the chemtrail activists are having lots of fun finding things to do with their newest in the arsenal of tools and toys, the "Q Beam Light". These lights that come in one, two, and three MILLION candlepower, and are available from discount department stores for as little as $25.00, are now being used for what is being termed as "PAINTING PLANES". It seems the best way to help the cause is to get a light and paint planes from locations where you can't be personally identified.

http://pub8.ezboard.com/fchemtrailschemtrails.showMessage?topicID=5137.topic

The Q Beam really is a motivator. When you personally see the demonstration of what you are actually breathing, you will indeed become serious about that greenhouse, and water filtration, and air filtration, and...

I'm afraid I disagree with you on that one, Enigma. I simply don't see the benefit of exposing yourself to prosecution for this endeavor. They're not even sprayplanes, for God's sake.

Have you observed this activity locally, Enigma? I haven't but that doesn't mean it isn't happening...

The thread that Enigma provided has been removed from the Carnicom board. Considering the exposure and potential for mis-interpretation that this thread provided, I consider that to be a wise decision.

I wish I would have saved that thread as it had alot of valuable information in it. Not necessarily the break the law stuff where the conversation unfortunately headed but the "who said what stuff" that told me so much about everyone's individual personalities. But this is the kind of stuff that NSAsucks would look for, and I guess he isn't allowed to post his honest observations there anymore either. I could not help but admire Mr. Sucks ability to smell a mole deep in it's hole by picking such threads as the censored one apart. I had hoped to try the art myself with such an easy thread full of b!**$%^#.
I wish I could have read for myself the technique that someone apparently explained that made a flashlight on the ground as deadly to an airplane that has a 360 degree sky, as it was to the poor innocent chauffer in the tunnell driving Princess Dianna's car.
The Important part of the whole post that got ignored is that PAINTING THE PLANES MADE THEM STOP. The simple matter of identification (that's the gorella warefare)of who is in your airspace made them discontinue operations. How is that breaking any laws? Do you really believe a pilot would be stupid enough to stare at a light somewhere on the ground until it blinded him? How in the world do they use those big search lights on the ground for promotional events without making planes crash?
I wish I had the entire thread to analyze so that just maybe, I could figure out who the "good guys" and who the "bad guys" really are.

is not whether the Q-beam posed a credible risk, Enigma. The point is whether somebody with an agenda could hang their hat on the issue. Take a look at the indymedia thread over there. Look at what happened to IMC. This isn't a game.

People need to start [i]thinking[/i] about how posts like that could be used against the entire initiative.

Please explain what this "Initative" is, and how a discussion about identifying who is flying in your air space is going to damage it.
There is really nothing to say about chemtrails except that they exist, TPTB deny that existence and will continue to do so until the surface of the planet is uninhabitable (I personally estimate that time to be 2 or 3 more years). From my observation I see the same core handful of chemtrail aware people spending alot of time talking about alot of related "other world events", with a new occasional spray picture thrown in.
The "in your face" lies that have been documented should be enough to convince the informed person that you can sit in front of your computer screen forever and document it, but the death spraying will continue. A few people believe that the kites are related in some way to the spraying, and discovered by accident that these planes do indeed want to keep their identity secret. Is it a piece of the puzzle? Since the conversation quickly degraded to the ridiculous about making poor defenseless planes crach, we might never know.
Censorship benefits no one, but only stifles creativity.

If you read the Indymedia link you will understand the potential for disaster that this thread enabled. It has nothing to do with a flashlight having a chance of downing a DC-9. READ THE STORY.

Now, this issue has been decided. Even the person who originally posted the story seems to understand how the potential for liablity could be detrimental to the cause. I understand that people are frustrated, but you can't put that kind of a loaded gun in your opponenet's hand. You can't.

Who is Mr. Sucks ?

Don't you just hate it when something gets censored?

The following is part of a thread at Thermit's. They aren't talking about painting planes, but it is interesting to note the simple technique of being held captive by your ISP makes censorship such a simple matter to accomplish.




NOTE the centering of the New Age dogma around EGYPT!

A.O.L. ACTIONS CENSOR CRITICISM OF C.I.A.

The launch of a new book (July 17th) entitled 'The Stargate Conspiracy'
by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, and published by Little Brown, has
triggered a massive censorship row across the Internet. The book exposes
governmental plans to hijack Millennium mysteries, through political
interference or by manipulating belief structures.

Evidence has come to light that AOL, the UK's largest subscription based
Internet service, is through its actions assisting CIA designs on
introducing a new belief system and form of racist fundamentalism for
the New Age.

Despite connecting 8 million users across the UK and Europe, and
carrying over 55 million "Instant Messages" every day, AOL has
engineered a sudden and unexpected clampdown on Egypt News, an
independent electronic newsletter supplied free of charge to 600
voluntary subscribers. Having operated successfully and completely
unhindered since September 1997, Egypt News now defends itself amidst
accusations of 'spamming' - a term used to describe the delivery of
unsolicited mail across the Internet. Whilst AOL claims to have
responded as a result of a single complainant, Egypt News vehemently
defend themselves, saying that subscribers are able to cancel their
subscription without charge and at any time, adding that AOL closed down
the service by changing its password without any form of consultation or
investigation. In a statement, Chris Ogilvie-Herald, editor of Egypt
News, asks "Does this not raise serious questions concerning the freedom
and transmission of information?" He adds: "Despite our explanations
that we were not sending unsolicited mail, AOL expressed no interest in
reviewing the situation, reading the content of prior postings,
acknowledge that the service was of a non-commercial nature, nor
recognise the fact that it could not be termed unsolicited mail." A key
clue into the reasoning behind AOL's intransigence appears to lie in the
content of the offending Egypt News article. In less than 30 lines, this
message describes the content of The Stargate Conspiracy, a book by Lynn
Picknett and Clive Prince which exposes a long term plan to take
advantage of the turn of the Millennium by mixing established religious
beliefs with ideas relating to ancient Egypt, extraterrestrial contact,
alien abductions and channelling. Speaking on the unusual experiences of
Egypt News, Clive Prince says "It is interesting that our posting
provoked it". The Stargate Conspiracy reveals that behind the plot are
intelligence agencies of more than one country, but led by the CIA as
part of the Pentagons psychological warfare and parapsychology
experiments. Involving the use of false prophets, ideas promoted by
famous authors, hallucinogenic drugs, hypnosis and electromagnetic
influence, the conspiracy has already influenced the decision making of
world leaders and has led one social scientist to state that the project
was "an elaborate psychological experiment sponsored by the defense community".

However, unexplained experiences have not been restricted to email
messaging. As part of the offending email, subscribers to Egypt News
were referred to the official website for the book - a public forum for
issues arising, debate and questions to the authors known online as the
Stargate Assembly. However this website has experienced extremely
erratic access patterns and an extraordinary level of interest from
Virginia, USA, headquarters of the CIA. Within days of full details
being posted, access rates for information on the The Stargate
Conspiracy inexplicably dropped by at least 80%, whilst at the same time
monitoring from Virginia peaked at 69% of total traffic.

IS A.O.L. ASSISTING C.I.A. NETWORK?

Despite claiming to provide customers and businesses with "an
unprecedented array of new choices", AOL's action against Egypt News
appears to have acted against the terms of the Internet Content Rating
Association (ICRA), a group devoted to the protection of free speech on
the Internet, and of which AOL is a founder member.

Speaking on May 12, 1999, David Phillips of AOL Europe, confirmed that
the ICRA initiative was being taken to provide "concerned citizens the
tools to protect their children and communities while ensuring the
essential openness and freedom of the Internet." Chairman of the ICRA
board, Jens Waltermann, added "It is not for us or for governments to
decide what is inappropriate." Further announcements made on June 10th
and 17th, 1999, declared AOL to be operating an alliance with both BSkyB
and Verio Inc. Targetting both Sky subscribers and web users via
traditional forms of direct mail and television advertising as well as
by means of banner advertisements designed to guarantee "millions of
impressions" across the Internet, AOL's activities appears to operate
against their own anti-spamming principles as applied to Egypt News. If
you thought that this issue does not affect you, the chances are that it
does now. Within such an operational framework, AOL have recently
announced intentions to provide free Internet services to all schools in
the UK, including adult education centres, most recently announcing an
agreement with the Scottish Borders Council Education Department. And in
a recent attempt to connect all of Europe's parliamentarians to the web,
Andreas Schmidt, President and Chief Executive Officer for AOL Europe
said: "All politicians, regardless of country or party, should have the
same opportunity to access, explore and use online services in the same
way as their constituents". If AOL is indeed guilty of censorship,
should the organisation take action against itself for operating in
favour of the CIA, against agreed ICRA principles, or for its own
commercial 'spamming' otherwise known as advertising? What is the
precise nature of AOL's involvement in politics and the education of our
children? Is AOL exerting self-defined 'parental controls' on the adult
global community? Whatever the case, AOL continues to claim ease of use,
convenience and unique content, whilst at the same time it clamps down
on a free newsletter promoting Egypt to an entirely voluntary membership.

BOOK LAUNCH

Despite such experiences, both Egypt News and the Stargate Assembly
continue to support The Stargate Conspiracy. Although AOL UK returned
the email facility of Egypt News on appeal, the newsletter feels
compelled to email their 600 subscribers in batches of only 10. Chris
Ogilvie-Herald has been looking at the possibility of reestablishing his
facility on an alternative service, reasoning that "AOL told us that if
we continue operating Egypt News in the same manner, we would again be
censored and eventually the account would be terminated". Similarly, the
Stargate Assembly continues to host information, lectures and debate in
connection with the The Stargate Conspiracy. Further details on the
unusual circumstances surrounding this book, including a forwarding
address for Egypt News, a copy of their offending email, and details of
the Stargate Assembly are available on the Internet at:
http://www.templarlodge.com/assembly.html.
(GOOD)

Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince will be celebrating the official launch
of their book by signing copies of The Stargate Conspiracy at the
Templar Lodge Hotel, Gullane, near Edinburgh on Saturday 17th July [1999].

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