Hello
a few weeks ago Steven said here he didn't know about madness in the Brazilian Imperial Family and I posted here some extracts from books on prince dom Pedro Augusto de Saxe-Coburgo-Bragança, grand son of Emperor dom Pedro II. This prince had a strong possibilty of becoming the following Emperor after princess Isabel gave liberty to slaves in 1888, despite the fact he was only 5th in the line of succession. I said here dom Pedro Augusto showed the first obvious signs of madness in the travel of exile from Rio to Lisbon.
Now, I found the following letters by Princess Clementine d'Orleans(paternal grand-mother of dom Pedro Augusto) to Queen Victoria on the book "Clementine d'Orleans, Princess Augustus of Saxe Coburg, King-Maker Inveterate" by Pashanko Dimitroff.
"25th November 1892
My dear Victoria
....Unfortunately, I have to give you the sad news about my grandson Pedro. As you know he had a horrible attack of violent dementia in Vienna and was taken to the mental hospital in Dubling.
I wrote to you that after two weeks there was an improvement, Pedro was quiet, agreed to take some food(he has the idea fixed in his mind that someone is trying to poison him, an idea he has had even before his attack of madness, just as Charlotte) and to get dressed. But that improvement did not last, another violent attack recurred. He has to be nourished by force and two guards never leave him alone, in order to prevent him from taking his life or from setting his room on fire. All this is so sad. I do not believe that he can be cured, though the doctor in Dubling and Braun havenot lost hope...."
And princess Clementine goes on and on talking about her grand-son's illness in htis letter and other letters to Queen Victoria. Interesting she mentionned Empress Charlotte. Much is said about the Wittelsbachs, but it seems the Saxe-Coburgs had a unfortunate inclination to madness(2 other grand-children of poor princess Clementine would get mad, the children of her daughter with a Wittelsbach prince, younger brother of Sissi, Wittelsbach genes, or Saxe-Coburg, or both???)
Alberto
Hello Alberto!
: And princess Clementine goes on and on
: talking about her grand-son's illness in
: htis letter and other letters to Queen
: Victoria. Interesting she mentionned
: Empress Charlotte.
Yes,Charlotte´s madness was well known ....
Much is said about the
: Wittelsbachs, but it seems the
: Saxe-Coburgs had a unfortunate inclination
: to madness(2 other grand-children of poor
: princess Clementine would get mad, the
: children of her daughter with a
: Wittelsbach prince, younger brother of
: Sissi"
Alberto, do you mean that princes Siegfreid, Christopher or Luitpold (sons of Clementine´s daughter, Amelie) were mad, as well??
Can you give me more details about this, because I never heard this!?
Thanks.
Paula
Hello Paula
: Yes,Charlotte´s madness was well known ....
But Princess Clementine had fist hand insight as she was very close to the Belgian Royal Family.
: Alberto, do you mean that princes Siegfreid,
: Christopher or Luitpold (sons of
: Clementine´s daughter, Amelie) were mad,
: as well??
: Can you give me more details about this,
: because I never heard this!?
Now I am recollecting things.....it seems both Prince Maximiien, the younger brother of Sissi(he was famous for he was considered the most handsome prince of his time, but too bad for him he was lunatic), and his wife Princess Amélie of Saxe-Coburg were mentally pertubed!!!!!!!!
And concerning their sons, it seems prince Siegfried and Duke Lepold in Bavaria(the last one of his line) were totally mad. Infanta Maria José of Portugal, Duchess in Bavaria, took care of them.
I cannot remenber though the sources apart one unreliable source: the memoirs of Countess Lasrich, but I really read somewhere else this sad story
Alberto
: Now I am recollecting things.....it seems
: both Prince Maximiien, the younger brother
: of Sissi(he was famous for he was
: considered the most handsome prince of his
: time, but too bad for him he was lunatic),
: and his wife Princess Amélie of
: Saxe-Coburg were mentally pertubed!!!!!!!!
Despite that,they had a very happy marriage ...I didn´t know about Princess Amélie´s madness !!!
: Siegfried and Duke Lepold in Bavaria(the
: last one of his line) were totally mad.
: Infanta Maria José of Portugal, Duchess in
: Bavaria, took care of them.
: I cannot remenber though the sources apart
: one unreliable source: the memoirs of
: Countess Lasrich, but I really read
: somewhere else this sad story
: Alberto
:
Thanks, Alberto, it is indeed a very sad story ... maybe,that explains why the three brothers never married.
Paula
Hello Paula
: Despite that,they had a very happy marriage
What do you know about their marriage?
: Thanks, Alberto, it is indeed a very sad
: story ... maybe,that explains why the
: three brothers never married.
But prince Christoph got married! As for the sources I cannot remenber right now, but I will try and find out. Anyway, even if Countess Lasrich made up things often(like saying Sissi had an illegitmate daughter) she would not make up this story in the 1930s as both Siegfried and Leopold were alive, and Infanta Maria José too.
9a) Maximilian Emanuel (Munich 7 Dec 1849-Feldafing 12 Jun 1893); m.Ebenthal 20 Sep 1875 Amalie Pss of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Coburg 23 Oct 1848-Schloß Biederstein 6 May 1894)
1b) Siegfried August Maximilian Maria (Bamberg 10 Jul 1876-Munich 12 Mar 1952)
2b) Christoph Joseph Clemens Maria (Schloß Biederstein 22 Apr 1879-Munich 10 Jul 1963); m.Munich 14 May 1924 Anna Sibig (Ascholtzhausen 18 Jul 1874-Munich 1 Jan 1958)
3b) LUITPOLD Emanuel Ludwig Maria (Schloß Biederstein 30 Jun 1890-Kreuth 16 Jan 1973)
Hello Alberto
What do you know about their marriage?
Not much.In the early 1870´s, Maximilien fell in love to Amélie of Saxe Coburg. Prince Leopold of Bavaria intended to marry her ( I even think they were engaged, but I´m not certain), but Leopold later married Archduchess Gisele, who was the eldest daughter of the Emperor. Then Maximilien proposed to Amélie and was accepted and they had a happy marriage. Alberto, don´t you agree they were happy? Did you read the contrary? Of all Bavarian siblings,I believe only Helene, Karl Theodor and Maximilian had a truly happy marriage. I never read or heard anything about the madness of Princes Siegfried and Luitpold, nor of Princess Amélie´s mental illness... I knew that Maximilien suffered periodically from melancholia, just like her sisters, but I didn´t know that he was a lunatic!
But prince Christoph got married!
Yes, Alberto, you are right.
As for the sources I cannot remenber right now, but I will try and find out. Anyway, even if
Countess Lasrich made up things often...
She isn´t a very reliable source, but on the other hand, I believe she didn´t invent everything she wrote.
Paula
: Not much.In the early 1870´s, Maximilien fell
: in love to Amélie of Saxe Coburg. Prince
: Leopold of Bavaria intended to marry her
Interesting, thank you!
: Then Maximilien
: proposed to Amélie and was accepted
BUT....are you aware Maximilien delayed the official annuncement for ages???? Empress Elizabeth(Sissi) received the umpleasant (so Sissi said) task of talking to her brother and mother. I read it on a biography on Sissi.
: She isn´t a very reliable source, but on the
: other hand, I believe she didn´t invent
: everything she wrote.