As many feared it looks like Canada is among the minority in it's attempts to structure Worlds and Club Crews for their respective levels of paddling as seen here from the other dull forum.

Some would argue that this is why we should allow national teams and/or abolish the 2pp rules, but the reality is we all need to work towards this being the exception or else IDBF should just forget about it and only stage the World Championships. It's too bad so many simply do not get it yet.

CANADA CAMPAIGN

August 2006 is the schedule of the IDBF World Club Crew Championships.

PDBF is planning to conduct a National Open Try-outs for members of affiliated club teams that will comprise the PDBF Club Crew that we hope to send to Canada next year.

We shall be launching a series of fundraising projects in support to this cause. Your cooperation shall be highly appreciated.

I hope we remain as one boat in all our endeavors.

Best regards,

JUDITH HAKIM
SECRETARY GENERAL
PHILIPPINE DRAGON BOAT FEDERATION

Putungenamo, Phillipines!

Your profanity would have been more effective if you could spell.
Let me guess, did your Filipino friend teach you that?

ekao buckla
ekao tunga
ekao baho

Naintindihan mo ba ang Tagalog?
It's obvious that you don't so please don't bother.

if this is exactly how it reads like it is... this'll be just like the little league world series fiasco.

I actually eMailed Mr. Haslam about this and while I don't feel right about posting his exact response, let me just say that he responded saying that the PDBF did not understand the rules for CCWC yet and that this would be straighted out and countries would not be allowed to send all-star / national teams.

I am not sure how they can police this or enforce it, but just the fact that they are planning on TRYING to prevent it is a very good sign.

I think it would be safe to say that the IDBF is sensitive to the local investment here and the potential for positive press and exposure so it is definitely NOT in their best interest to have a bunch of national teams come to Canada and crush our efforts to put forth as fair a club crew as we could manage given the planning timeline DBC had to work with.

We obviously still have a ways to go, but at least we are not fielding national crews.

all we have to do is give events alive and automatic berth and have them destroy all comers.

Like they did in Rome, under their previous incarnation as Madawaska?

2nd place in the 500m is a HUGE accomplishment, but it's hardly "destroy(ing) all comers".

Not to mention the Wongs came in third.

Not to fret boys and girls.
Canadians will WIN 2006 WCCC.

Go team Zimbabwe Dragonboat Club!!!!!!

Don't think having the Canadian National team register as the representative for Zimbababwe club crews would go unoticed by the IDBF you turdknocker.

We sure would look great on one hand fielding some pretty authentic club crews while complaining about other countries that do not when we secretly have our national team make a joke of the whole thing. IT'S BRILLIANT.

Step 1. Find your head, notice it is up your ass
Step 2. Quickly withdraw your head from you ass

Holy shit, learn how to take a joke.

You know I was talkin to a paddler from FCRCC in Vancouver last weekend about the CC's and I found it interesting they plan on winning the western side and compete in the 2006 club crews but they are also going to enter the National race-offs in 2006 again for the chance to win the right to go to the worlds in 2007 .

So is this right.? .........here we have a team that swears they are a club team and are trying to show they are by racing alot of races this yr ,as they never have in the past ,and then they turn around and are entering to represent Canada in the worlds in the same yr by doing the nationals again as they did last yr .

This doesn't seem to be right to me and it's disappointing to see teams playing w/ the rules this way .It's actually kind of smart on their part and stupid on the part of DBC to allow something like this because after seeing them this weekend they appear to be more geared towards the national level .

How can you race the Nationals in 2004, lose in Montreal..then call yourself a club team and race off in 2005 and if they win compete in the club crews in Toronto and then compete again at the national level in the same yr .

Hmmm .........maybe MCC should follow what false creek is doing

I think it does sound brilliant! After all it is a .....

In the senior age group BOTH Canadian national teams are going to Berlin AND competing as club crews to qualify for 2006 this summer in Ontario. Seniors may "different" but geez, how can you be a national team and club crew at the same time? I know it is within the rules as established by DBC.

Rome Club Crews had Russian Nationals, South African Club Crews had German conglomerate teams. So the nations who try to abide by the spirit of the club crew should expect to face national teams. As surely the PDBA will not be the only ones who may send their best. It should be the responsibility of the national organizations to police this. It's obvious when you see the logos of several teams on uniforms. The correct action to discourage this behaviour and prompt better understanding of the rules, is to forfeit teams at the competition should they be representing national teams vs club crews. IDBF has plenty of time to police this since rosters are held weeks in advance. It was shameful of those national organizations and IDBF to have allowed these national teams in the club crews, and proved their inability to manage this. If this continues, more teams will look to bring all-star crews just to compete.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but I will take a step back from a few points.

If FCRCC is NOT currently the national team, then they can enter as the Club Crew race-offs, national team trials, Club Crew World Championships, etc, as they please. If you're not the Nat's then you're not the Nat's. If they are a club crew by other standards (ie. history of racing, not an all-star team, etc) then they are free to play with the other club crews.

But once you win the national team sanction, you should no longer be allowed to enter Club Crew competition. It's not a matter of playing the name game. Adding "DBC" to your name does not turn the National Team into a club crew. You've made the turn, now live with it.

So if you compete as the National team in Berlin in 2005, you can't be a club crew in Toronto in 2006. You would have to NOT be the national team for a World Championship year in order to be a club crew the next year for the CCWC.

FCRCC is not the national team this year, so they are free to be a club crew this year, and for the CCWC next year. They can also attempt to win the National team sanction next year for the 2007 World Championships, but if they win it, they can't be a club crew for the 2008 Club Crews.

Just my opinion.

However, False Creek was National team at one point, so...

We are talking about only the Premier teams right? There's no age groupings at the WCC. Just because you were once a national team shouldn't mean you should be banned from WCC forever. But there should be a numeric limit on Premier National team members on any club team competing at WCC.

Just because a team has at some point in history been the national team doesn't mean that they are forevermore excluded from the club crews. Just the next year. And it should be possible to be a club crew THIS year, then the National Team next year. Just not the reverse. Confused? It's not really complicated. A team can step up from Clubs to become Nat's, but not step down from Nat's to become a Club, unless they vacate the National sanction for a World Championships year.

Using FCRCC as an example:

2005 - FCRCC wins 2006 Club Crew sanction
2006 - FCRCC competes at 2006 Club Crew World Championships
2006 - FCRCC enters and wins National Team Trials for 2007 World Championships
2007 - FCRCC competes at 2007 World Championships
2007 - FCRCC ineligible to enter 2008 Club Crew selection race-off due to 2007 National Team status
2008 - Club Crew World Championships, no FCRCC
2008 - FCRCC enters National Team Trials for 2009 World Championships, but loses (or withdraws)
2009 - World Championships, no FCRCC
2009 - FCRCC now eligible to enter 2010 Club Crew selection Race off as they have no 2009 National team status
2010 - FCRCC competes at Club Crew World Championships

The point being that you regain your Club Crew status by not being the national team for the last world championships.

Lets say a former national level team can qualify for the cc's but what if the paddlers do not all train together and actually only come together, from all over Canada ,just to race certain races or qualifiers under the same team name .How does this apply then ?

If they can manage to do the required qualification race(s) which hopefully won't be in the same year as the race off's next time then they would be eligable even though they are not really a club crew.

Just like Pickering is doing this year. Paddlers from all kinds of teams together in their little "all-star" team. Shame on Scott who is actually on the DBC technical commitee that makes these rules. Talk about a conflict in interest. One of the worst offenders is actually representing us in making the rules... The inmates are running the asylum.

I was down at False Creek walking by when what do I see ..............gorging dragons trying out for the false creek club crew team . Nice to see some Gorging Dragons (from Victoria) jumping on the False Creek boat (from Vancouver) to go with them to Calgary race-offs .

This whole thing is a joke ..........it's such bullshit when who see a team like this doing anything they want by bringing in outside paddlers who have never even been with the team before .It's what ...........2 weeks to final roster .

I though the club crews was supposed to be geared towards teams that train together all the time not last minute pull ,whoever we have to ,to win teams .

Take it easy Paddleboy... those guys are trying out for the men's team. Not the FC Mixed team.

It's always fun to see some armchair observer make a total FOOOL of themself!
Way to go paddleboy! Yeah you must be a winner!

Heard that GWN was granted entry into the race off in Sudbury WELL AFTER THE DEADLINE. Seems like some rules apply but not all.

Which GWN team are you referring to?

Awwww...Paddleboy just jealous that he keeps getting beat by them. Too bad so sad Maybe one day they'll let you paddle with them

If it is Paddleboy, then westie, he isn't an "armchair observer."

Don't worry Paddleboy, keep training the way you guys do and you'll have your day in the sun.