Who's going to win the University Cup this year? UC??? New??? Vic???

well i personally think New is going to win, but there are many good university teams and everyone has a chance.

and in addition, everyone looks to be improved.. although i know the university teams are as per usual suffering from high turnover rates.

I'm gonna win

"Look at me! Look at me! We're training hard and we're now gonna win!"

Do it first before you start posting. You know who you are.

Wait so.. you think Ryerson's going to win?

More importantly where is the U-cup? Rumour is DBC is hosting a 2006 National University Championship with their Club Nationals this year.

Phoenix ETS.

ETS looked really good last season. They're signed up for Picking so we'll see if they still have it. They'd be wasting their time on that dog leg course in Waterloo.

Is Ryerson even a real university? Asking who will win is like asking who the winning of the losers are. Ditto the Women's races, and the 'survivor races'.

The only races that matter are the men's open.

Is anyone from our community talking to DBC about having our cup at nationals? I think this would be amazing.

ETS at Pickering.. good to know.

Duke is fielding a strong team with Redick as stroke. I like Gonzaga as well.

UCLA

UC, New and Ryerson have all stepped up this year. I think we could see UC or New hit B div this year

Pickering University Division predictions:

1)New (I predict they will just inch out UC)
2)UC
3)Phoenix ETS (about 2-3 seconds behind NEW and UC)

(The last three a good distinct behind the first 3)
4)Ryerson
5)Scarborugh
6)ViCrew

Phoenix ETS had the most impressive results last year so I'll predict them to take it

"We're Phoenix ETS - We're the best!"

"We're New College - We're the best!"

Can't both of these teams shut up?

It's a toss up between Phoenix ETS, UC and New.

The more interesting debate is if any of these teams will break the top 10 or 12 spots at the big regattas... I say.. no unfortunately.

"Can't both of these teams shut up?"

Settle down UC paddler.. I doubt either of the teams are self promoting

The poster of this thread was asking for predictions, so don't bitch that people are making predictions. Nobody out there has intimate knowledge of what every university team out there is doing, so at best it's going to be people saying what they know about 1 or 2 teams.

Phoenix 2-3 seconds behind UC and New?

Haha.

That's a good one. Way too funny.

Contain!

...because Jason is so intimately involved with all three teams..have you even been to a regatta with ETS? never mind raced them?

Based on last years true rankings:

33 Pheonix-ETS Mixed 12 02:11.5
44 UofT UC Water Dragons Mixed 14 02:12.6
81 UofT New College New Dragonz Mixed 12 02:15.9

Yeah, those are the true rankings. Right now #1 Phoenix, #2 UC, #3 New..

But New College is a different team. We literally changed our name: New College New Dragons.

So, I make it is a hobby of mine to hang around paddling pools and university gyms, and basically anywhere dragonboat teams are training and I have to say RAGE against the dragonboat is looking really good. Who are these guys, its like they came right out of nowhere. I like to follow a lot of teams, my team is ok but we wish we were as good as the mofos. I wish you forum people would get off their backs. They are a good bunch. Once at GWN when they stood the dragonboat world on their heads with a great B division final race, I ran down to the dock area where SIX OF THEM gave me a high five when I held out my hand. Oh I wish i had a pen because I know they would have given me an autograph for sure.

Anyways back to my point. I think it will be a tight race for the university cup. I know some of the Phoenix ETS crew have been dealing with some training camp injuries. Plus a few of their engine room muscle was off representing Chile at the World Cup of Dragonboat and ended up watching more races then they paddled in so they may not be in prime form for Pickering. Although the steriod scandal that hangs over a few New Dragon paddlers could be a bit distracting for this top notch crew.

I will be back throughout the season to give my unbiased input regarding who is training hard and looking good to surprise some teams at upcoming events. I will always post as annonymous so to not confuse anyone, or give any hint toward who I might be.

Beeeeeer! Yaaaaaahhh! GO TEAM!

Who gives a flyin f#ck?

Anon @ March 27 2006, 8:42 AM
If you're not interested in the topic/discussion, then f#ck off

No, I have never raced Phoenix-ETS but I can certainly tell you what strategy I had when racing New College.

Except I won't.

But here's a clue: it wasn't the same as racing in "open" or premier mixed. Racing New College, I knew that we were going to win. When time is irrelevant, you don't race for time.

I want to preface the below by saying I've been to a fundraiser with the New College team in attendance, and they were all really cool people. It's nice to get to know people off the water.

But to say the New Dragons are going to take over as #1 shows complete disregard for the fact that UC trained twice as much and spent probably infinitely as much time analyzing group and individual videos and frame-by-frame picture analysis. It was so easy to coach last year (and to the person who said I inherited a good team, you're damn right), but the truth of the matter is the team worked its ass off last year and worked for every bit of success (and failure) that was earned.

You cannot discount the experience of making the B final in Pickering, and learning how to paddle through months of frustration after a less than ideal Island, the cancellation of Waterloo only to get to NACCC to post a 2:11 in the qualifying rounds which at least, time-wise was ahead of a great team like Tempest. Granted, the team imploded afterwards, but most university teams bitch and whine at the slightest bit of adversity. But swallowing pride and focusing on themselves from June through August was an invaluable heading to China racing not only in an entirely different type of boat, but they also trained hard for that 5k. Training for the 5k - the 40 minute pieces for volume, the 2000m repeats for speed. There was some pain and agony let me tell you but they came through with flying colours.

How can you discount that experience? They trained twice as much as you, competed at high levels you can't even begin to imagine and you think they're going to drop beneath you? I don't care how much more the New Dragons can bench, pullup, erg, or run. I'm sorry but no new stroke (which you have yet to test on the water) will make up for those hours on the water that at least 14-15 of those kids put in last year. You have not done the work on the water to rationalize your ascent to the top. And you will not out-coach Rob Chang.

You may be fitter, you may have more talent, but simply haven't paid your dues to beat Phoenix-ETS this year. I can almost guarantee that the wash at the Olympic Basin kept the times close. I may not have raced dragonboat in Montreal, but I did race Junior C-15 at CCA's last year and I do know about the power of wash. Just ask Rideau.

Leave it to the races and nothing more.

Jason was a great coach, Jason is a great paddler, Jason is a good all around guy. And the same things can be said about the team he helped build, which I have no doubt will be excellent this year, and the people on it.

Just leaving all this sh#t on the water is an excellent idea. Still, how would underdogs ever surpass the favourites if they didn't honestly believe they could win.

Jason, I would assume that you of all people would at least realize that the comments posted on this forum do not reflect the sentiments of the New Dragons team. No one on this team that matters thinks we're just going to just walk away with the Cup and not one of has forgotten all the years we've be 2nd..so you get the credit you deserve. Just ignore any comments about or "from" the New Dragons and we'll see what happens on the water.

Cheers.

"Still, how would underdogs ever surpass the favourites if they didn't honestly believe they could win."

By staying humble and working on yourself. It's that simple. Good teams quietly do thier thing and then win when no one is expecting them to. The truly good teams then don't rub people's faces in it.

By loudly proclaiming to everyone you are the best you look less like a young Wayne Gretzky and more like Bode Miller.

Nobody would ever post a message pretending to be somebody they are not. That would be wrong.

After reading Jason's response to this thread, I have to say I am officially embarrased to say I am part of the dragonboat community. No wonder the sprint canoers laugh at us.

Jason, you talk like you're a national level coach and your team competes in an international level sport that the rest of the world actually gives a shit about.

You coach a 'B' level crew of wannabee athletes and are comparing yourself against others of the same pathetic level.

Well "embarrassed", yYou must be embarrassed very easily. A couple of university teams having a pre-season pissing fest is no big deal. Embarrassed for all of dragon boat racing because of this? Wow, thin skin.

But maybe if write more messages about how flatwater is cool and dragon boat racing sucks, then the flatties will let you hang around and buy them beer.

Chump.

embarrassed has a valid point.
Some people take this and themselves way too seriously, especially when their results are taken into consideration.

Gabe, it's just that no one other than our two teams really give a shit about this rivalry. It only leads me to believe at times the shit is coming from UC/New. I could be wrong, ultimately no one really knows who these posts are coming from.

Embarassed, you're also forgetting one thing: you can't read. Does it say that I coach UC? And if dragonboat really embarassing you, maybe you should leave and deny to your friends that you ever did it! In fact, maybe you should join a canoe club! It's actually pretty fun!

Ok, now back to the people who actually care about the thread.

Like Fartastic.

P.s. Embarassed, you shouldn't be ashamed of the dragonboat community, you should be ashamed of the dragonboaters who saw the light and switched over to canoeing. You know, the wannabes like me who think they know everything.

Its pretty clear that the ONLY people ALLOWED to get pasionate about their sport, are olympic or world class athletes. If anyone else shows any emotion or enthusiasm? Well, thats just pathetic and embarrasing. This includes pre, junior, highschool, varsity and heck, any other team/individual on the planet thats not at olympic level. Heck, lets discount women, because compared to olympic men, they have pathetic results too. Infact, lets face it, the only person who should be able to comment is the person who IS the best in the world. Not the person who got a silver medal. Just the gold. Cos if I ALONE were to compete against Mr Gold medal, I'd get silver too and it really wouldnt be appropriate to complain....

There is a thin line between passionate and delusional.
I'm only half kidding.

One note I'd like to make, as much as I've trashed New here..I'm going to predict all University teams in attendance at TIDBRF will be C division and above.

I'll cite improvements in both the two big U of T teams and decreased attendance from the major players.

And if anyone wants to take bets on the University Cups, I'll take wagers now

Are you just taking bets on the winner, or will you give odds for the exacta/trifecta?

Our "currency" can be in the form of ounces of liquor. Beers discounted according to percentage alcohol. A even steeper discount if its American beer.

Let's define some groundrules.

There are university cups at:
- Pickering
- Toronto
- Waterloo
- Montreal

Separate bets for each event..

I'll buy a round for the winning team if it's not UC, but if UC wins, no one gets jack shit.

Sorry, forgot to sign.

And yeah, this will be fun. The university division has been a real sleeper as of late. It's a three boat race, boys and girls. A real treat for the alumni to watch this from the shore over the summer.

But if you bring beer into this you know the Engineers are going to win then... dammit that's just the motivation the engineers needed to put up a B division team.

Is UC doing all the University Cups? Which races is ETS doing?

Pickering
Lachine
Ottawa
MIDBF
Maybe Welland in september... not sure

Those are the races for Phoenix ETS...

For credibility sake we should be racing under some sort of DBC banner at National Championships. Not to mention it is the premier race course for dragon boat. Winner at nationals takes 2006 bragging rights into the off season, no ifs, ands, or buts.

heh heh. The other day, I saw some NC Paddlers at the AC doing one arm pulls on the back row machines with some ridiculously low weights (~35-40lbs) for 40 reps? something ridiculously low like that.

LOL cut, and weak.

Really? I see NC paddlers low rowing four and a half plates.

Really? I rolled up the rim today and won a free donut!

Coffee Time 4-ever!!!!

Why do you think that it is ridiculous?

Re: University Cup
April 2 2006, 10:32 PM

heh heh. The other day, I saw some NC Paddlers at the AC doing one arm pulls on the back row machines with some ridiculously low weights (~35-40lbs) for 40 reps? something ridiculously low like that.

LOL cut, and weak.

It's like doing squats with 5lb weights. Why bother?

i bet i've eaten sandwiches that weighed close to 5 pounds

I lose 5lbs everytime I walk out of the washroom.

"It's like doing squats with 5lb weights. Why bother?"
Do a couple of hundred then come back here and tell us why.

i think the point is 5 pounds is negligible enough not to bother with. its like adding 2.5 pound plates to your bench press...some people don't even play with nickels or dimes, only quarters and up

Well, i'm sure they can pull a lot more. But do you know why they are doing it that low? Do you understand the physiology behind it? Do you know what their goal is?

2nd thing, if you watch carefully, they are not just rowing with one arm. There is another component to it.

So, next time you see something like that, instead of ridiculing it, ask why.

About your point of the 2.5 pound plate being negligible. Ever heard of the "ceiling theory"? An athletes performance plateaus out no matter what level they are at. As you reach this plateau, large increases (quarters) will overshoot your plateau making you unable to perform the rep. However, by adding small increments (pennies), the athlete is able to continue their progress, getting closer to their plateau. 2.5 is not negligible, especially when you are at a high level

sorry guys.. this is proof that new college wont win.. all bark no bite

Smuthe, Tudor Bompa, C.Staley and I all know the above as linear periodization.

my point about 2.5 pounds being negligible applied for squats or other compound lifts. that little variation in load can be easily overcome by mental focus and proper warmup such that the muscles are ready to resist heavy loads and they are not already exhausted by excessive warm up sets

plus an increment of 2.5 pounds given an average bodyweight of 150 pounds...is less than 2%, surely when attempting to make gains one would aim for a higher gain than that, at least 5-10%

"Well, i'm sure they can pull a lot more. But do you know why they are doing it that low? Do you understand the physiology behind it? Do you know what their goal is?

2nd thing, if you watch carefully, they are not just rowing with one arm. There is another component to it.

So, next time you see something like that, instead of ridiculing it, ask why."

Yeah.. Because they can't do more. 30 reps is by no means a lot.

With that weight, rowing with anything more than the arm is a waste of time. Why bother doing pull downs when the weight of your arms already pulls the bar down halfway?

Skinny asian pansies trying to show off.

Real men do squats and deadlifts.

well for one thing the person who was insulting new college claimed they did one arm back rows with 40 lbs for 40 reps and NOT pull downs.

Secondly... asians may genetically be weaker.. but they can still delivery power to weight ratio.

"well for one thing the person who was insulting new college claimed they did one arm back rows with 40 lbs for 40 reps and NOT pull downs.

Secondly... asians may genetically be weaker.. but they can still delivery power to weight ratio."

A nice light weight to do 40 reps for strengthening the shoulder and lats would be 70-80lbs at least. 40lbs would be good for someone who's just getting their muscles and bones started with the motion - ie new to lifting anything in repetition.

You are all pathetic. Dragonboat weenies telling other dragonboat weenies how to build muscle. The Mofos are the only team that knows how to build muscle, strength and look fit. The rest of you all shut the f-up. Go back to talking about endurance, technique and running. Weenies.

dunno man. endurance and technique are definitely useful at a victory party....

MSOG baby

Ex Mofo

It's not all about producing strength. It's all about producing power, which is different from strength. Strength is developed at higher intensities, while maxium power is developed at much lower intensities.

Settled (for now)

1) Phoenix ETS
2) UC Water dragons
3) NC New dragons

But much closer this time! The Centre Island race will be interesting to watch.

Looks like Uni teams are finally putting out some more respectable times:


ETS: 2:09.07
Water Dragons: 2:10.54
New Dragonz: 2:10.86

They've always posted those times..New stepped it up a notch though.

UofT could probably make an A division team if they were to ever collaborate...

They did. They were called the Piranhas

do the university teams still do those really annoying chants and cheers?

They still ARE. They're called the Piranhas.

It's no longer a U of T team.

The U of T Piranhas were Rob Chang's team. Multiple colleges or teams did not collaborate. It was friends that got together who then networked by word of mouth for the most part.

Today's top university teams get thousands of dollars of funding from their colleges. We got virutally nothing from Scarborough College. I recall we paid our way for everything.

Jason, your team may have started out as Rob's friends, but once you'd proven yourselves, you quickly started attracting some of the best paddlers from UC and Vic College. You even called yourselves the U of T Piranhas for a couple of years, as I recall.

Funding varies from team to team. The Iron Dragons seem to have gotten quite the cash windfall this year, judging by the matching life jackets and carbon fibre paddles! Didn't seem to make them any faster, though

Jason, from reading your previous posts in this topic, you don’t seem to hesitate to knock teams you aren’t affiliated with. Today's university teams have more money than five years ago only because leaders on those teams have worked hard to establish funding sources. Universities still do not recognize/appreciate dragon boat as a sport to put their names behind

I don't hesitate to knock teams I am not affiliated with. That is correct. I also do not hesitate to knock teams I am affiliated with either.

forgot to sign.

The Iron Dragons did not have carbon fibre paddles.

Were the Iron Dragons in Pickering? One team was all decked out in smashing jerseys and carbon paddles and couldn't paddle worth shit...but they looked good.

Too bad they don't hand out patches for that stuff.

This only goes to show you that no matter what you do you will get bashed.

Did they SAY that their uniforms and paddles would make them go faster?

Jason which team are you on?

“I don't hesitate to knock teams I am not affiliated with. That is correct. I also do not hesitate to knock teams I am affiliated with either.” - Jason


“This only goes to show you that no matter what you do you will get bashed.

Did they SAY that their uniforms and paddles would make them go faster?”

You cant be serious.

Oh, I'm serious.

I love the New Dragonz, and the New Dragonz love me.

What I'm trying to say is this - I have no problem with criticizing a particular position - provided I believe there is merit to my argument.

On the other hand, criticizing Iron for getting new uniforms and paddles and mocking their performance is just a plain cheap shot from my perspective.

We can agree to disagree, but for those who take all my posts literally (ie like the one above, I'll clarify it for the wee undergrads just this once.

shut the fcuk up already! bunch of arrogent tards the all of you, just paddle and prove it on the water already.

easy there killer

It's an easy question... Phoenix (ÉTS) will win the University Cup... After Pickering... who's can predict anything else?!?!?

Phoenix Paddler's

Settled (for now...until Waterloo)

1) University of Toronto New College New Dragons 2:11.34
2) University of Toronto University College Water Dragons 2:11.55
3) 5 Ryerson University Rye-D-Boat 2:18.67

Unless your "university cup" is a T-dot only affair, I give it to Pheonix ETS hands down.

Honestly, the rest of you are nowhere close.

Alright already. New Dragons, you've started posting about this since the winter and none of us really care. There was no hype before and no one cares that you can squeak out a win over a traditionally stronger crew. Enough about this

Well, the score is settled until Waterloo, now is it. I'll give credit where credit is due. Their university cup finish in particular was definitely even more exciting since at least 2001.

New brought it. UC didn't.

I was also impressed by their class. They were very cordial at the award ceremonies - and were basically the same as when they didn't win. Some teams should learn from that. (Hint hint)

The only jackass** was that Alan guy, what's up with him?

**That was a joke

Oh and I just checked the B division results - congrats to both for taking on those impressive Engineering Alumni.

No where close?

Pickering uni-cup results 2006:
ETS: 2:09.07
Water Dragons: 2:10.54
New Dragonz: 2:10.86

These teams race again in Montreal. Should be fun to watch


If you dont care about the Uni cup, then dont post in this thread (June 26 2006, 9:36 AM )

I don't care either, but the first post of the day sounds alot like gloating. No one likes a gloater.

"Alright already. New Dragons, you've started posting about this since the winter and none of us really care. There was no hype before and no one cares that you can squeak out a win over a traditionally stronger crew. Enough about this"

University teams care about the university cups the most. Thanks for letting them know that YOU don’t care. How about you let them have their fun and stop being butthurt that they are not talking about whatever insignificant team you paddle for..@sshole

For people not respecting university team, ETS-Phoenix do a time of 2.02.44 to finish 6th overall in Ottawa this week-end... Who said the University team cannot race against normal crew?? You must watch out yourself a day this guy will maybe took your place :p and maybe make your team better :-O

Good work, ETS..

You guys should combine with UC and New to put togehter mens and womens teams for Montreal..

Just a thought. Phil? Jeff?

We prefer to focus on beating our competitors rather than combining with them. Don't get me wrong, both are very strong crews but our goal is to be at the top.

New Dragons should not be posting on this forum.

We prefer to focus on beating our competitors rather than combining with them. Don't get me wrong, both are very strong crews but our goal is to be at the top.

Can you tell me if Water Dragons and New Dragonz will be at Montreal Festival?

I think Jason mean to built a men team and a women team... Not combined mixed team...

Yes. Both teams will be at Montreal.

Organizing a university all-men/all-women's team amongst the three teams would be pretty interesting...we can see how they stack up relative to the community teams.

I think they've got it.

I would appreciate it if people refrain from posting under the name of the UC Water Dragons. They do not post on this forum.

I wish there was some kind of log on system so that we could tell who really does the postings! Otherwise, please stop posting. People like that are bring this forum down and shouldn't even come to this post if you don't even care.

Yeah Rob just because you've told not to post here, you think they don't when they can hide under Anon?

But things are looking good when you have mutiple university teams contending instead of just one dominant one. Would love to see a full men's/women's team of the universities take on the top teams, youth/light vs experience/strength.

Man.. the most impressive examples of youth/light are Mowat and the SRS Rouge team that went to the island. Dammn...

Just wanted to congradulate the New Dragons and Water Dragons for an awesome race. We may not have won the race but we're getting there. It was our very first University A final race after 4 years of our team being in existence.. not too bad.

We'll see ya all in Waterloo!

Good luck Ryerson!

Keep up the good work rye. Your gains this year were not unnoticed by the top uni teams.

"Keep up the good work rye. Your gains this year were not unnoticed by the top uni teams."

Who posts this crap?

do you french kiss your mother with that mouth?

No, but I do french kiss YOUR girlfriend with it.

"Yeah Rob just because you've told not to post here, you think they don't when they can hide under Anon?"

No I don't think they do. I have always told my teams to stay off the forum ever since I saw it begin to get ugly a few years back. We have a culture of respect and family that gives me this trust.

If you want empirical proof that its not UC consider this. For the three years that I have coached UC (over the last 4), there has never been trash talking regarding the University division. Something has changed in the landscape and I am sure it isn't UC.

If for no other reason people who trash talk should remember this: "Some days you're the dog and some days you are the fire hydrant"

Sorry Rob, I'll stick to what I see with my own eyes (see university cup award ceremony) to judge team sportsmanship and not some anonymously based forum full of people trying to get a rise out of each other

Just to clarify regarding that. We did not know the awards ceremony was immediately after the race. Those on UC who did make it to the ceremony happened to be there because they were checking to see who won. I found out the result when I was walking to the scoreboard and heard the awards announcer announce the winner. I immediately told my camp to go to the ceremony but it was too late as everyone was walking back. For this I apologize.

I understand this forum is a great place for people to cause trouble. However, those who know me know that I have very strong feelings towards sportsmanship. New College's performance this year has been impressive and I am glad the University division is one in which a crew can be proud of winning it.

However, I believe that I have been in dragon boat long enough for people to know what I am about. This is a sport of friendly but intense competition. The sooner people realize this the sooner they will realize that trash talking and libel are ridiculous endeavours that only serve to boost immature egos.

I've known and have had the pleasure of paddling with Rob. He's an upstanding guy with a fantastic coaching and paddling resume. I wouldn't put much weight in what the trolls of the forum have to say. Facts are facts, this is the first year I have seen trash talking in the University division and Rob has been in the University scene for many many years (UofT Piranhas and UC). Let's just let this all die because most of us who have been around here know its not coming from Rob because it really isn't his style

No one is saying its from Rob. Sure there are people here just stiring up sh*t, but I'm sure there some of the people posting under Anon are from those very same teams, probably a really small minority, maybe 1 or 2 but its easy to bait people here and get a reaction.

PON D RIVAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Rob, do you want me to give you a ruler?

PON DE BOAT!!!! STROKE IT FOR ME!!! STROKE IT FOR ME!!!!

New College did a great job in Montreal this weekend.

Funny how this thread keeps popping up after New College does well. I guess we now know who all those "annonymous" people are

yeah no kidding!
get over yourselves already!

notice when New doesn't get the cup, there's little discussion at all? (i.e. @ Waterloo).

Yeah, bunch of show boaters.....

I'm so outraged that someone posted something about New Dragonz doing well in Montreal.. oh my gawd I bet it was probably a new dragonz peddler too!!

They should be BANNED from all sports

It's about sportsmanship young new colleger. You squawk like a bird when you win but you fall deafeningly silent when you lose. Your most recent "victory" was based on best overall time in a festival known for unfair boats and uneven lanes. Perhaps you should take a page from your competitors and celebrate amongst yourselves when you win.

LOL......dumb punks just got told.

bahahaha, these posts are so ridiculous it's impossible to tell who's sarcastic or who's being serious.

Put UC and NC against each other on a perfectly even course and the squawking birds will lose every time. NC knows it too, they just always get lucky

The overwhelming majority of UC is still in Montreal right now (or in transit coming back) and they likely do not have internet access.

Congrats to Phoenix ETS and New College for a fantastic season. Together we have made great strides in making the University division competitive again.

All this bullshit about Fucking New College and the New College fucking haters is waking the Angry Dude.

If Angry Dude sees ONE post from a New College Fan, he is going to fucking lose his mind.

i thinks i already too late for that!

Angry Dude, if you were a university team which team would you be?

P.S. Angry-Dude-Fans.com coming soon! W/ Angry Dude blog and Angry Dude mercahndise shop.

Angry Dudehas already trade marked his name so don't even fucking think of starting up Angry fucking dude merchandise without a BIF MOTHERFUCKING ROYALTY OFFER!!!!

Angry Dude hates fucking university teams so why would he want to fucking be one?

Don't ask the angry dude stupid fucking questions.

Lucky! No real university paddlers post on this shit topic! Just a bunch of haters making me laugh. You probably don’t even know what the trill of competition is really like. You just the trill of starting shit up and making stuff it up. Feeling good about yourself?

Congrets to all the University teams making it exciting to watch them race.

right we have no idea what the "trill" of competition is like. Please, enlighten us oh wise one.

The University competition is good this year. It's been back and forth all Summer with New College holding the most recent victory.

As far as I can remember, there as never been a season like it.. good job to two excellent teams. With ETS beaten in Montreal I'm sure they'll be in Toronto again next year

"with New College holding the most recent victory."

Hahaha....soooo transparent....

It was a fantastic year of University racing.

You have to hand it to New College for an impressive year-over-year improvement.

Good luck in China

New dragons and Water dragons did a god job in Montreal. I'm with Phoenix and unfortunately, we didn't do it! It was not our competition this year! But we'll do better in Welland! It was fun to have a challenge with other university teams ! Maybe we gonna see you in Welland on maybe just next year in Pickering!

This was a good competition, it's could be interesting to have a kind of championship. For the moment on 2 events where the 3 big team was there it was:

Pickering:
1- ETS-Phoenix 2:09.07
2- Water Dragon 2:10.54
3- New Dragon 2:10.86

Montreal:
1- New Dragon 2:10.12
2- Water Dragon 2:11.22
3- ETS Phoenix 2:12.02

Waterloo not sure, but ETS wasn't be there.

Toronto not sure, but again ETS wasn't be there.

With some position points we can have a better view of the season. If we include Toronto for next year with ETS in it, we can have 3 or 4 events. It could be interesting... What do you tink about it... Someone have already try to do something in this way??

University Cup can became true, not just a forum title... And with a real results.

For speciality cups the Montreal event awarded them based on time and that doesn't mean anything with two sets and boats and lane biases (to a lesser extent).

I just want to say how impressed I am with the Phoenix crew. I truly believe that a true sportsman/sportswoman needs not only to know how to win, but also to lose. And you do both gracefully. You have my utmost respect.

I'm sure there were reasons why Phoenix was not able to do as well as usual - but you don't see them making excuses for themselves.

Except for that one, "Ontario Coach"

Ok do you want me to sign my name?

Then I will.

I am impressed with Phoenix-ETS. I love the UC Waterdragons, I'm probably their #1 fan - but I really respect what Phoenix brings to the table. I don't say it a lot on the forum, but I do say this in person when I speak with others about University racing.

I'll bet you any money most of the shit-disturbing comes from Ontario.

Champions know how to be gracious in victory and defeat. Even though Phoenix lost the most recent head-to-head battle - I'll say this year's team would have beaten both Ontario teams 4 times out of 5. As for last year we'll never know. As for future years, there's only one way to find out who will be better.

"Even though Phoenix lost the most recent head-to-head battle..."

Where?!? Montreal aren't a head-to-head university battle... We can't tell that... Many factors can affect the course but i recognize Phoenix wasn't good...

They lost to the Water Dragons head-to-head on Sunday, but they were still very good sports and gave them high-fives coming off the dock.

You have to wonder what ETS teams did they brought to Pickering and Ottawa races. They were 10th overall at Pickering and right behind Big Fish in Ottawa placing 6th.
20th in Montreal and not even close to the top.

Montreal showing was a mystery? Where was there strong paddlers? What happen ETS?

Perhaps their paddlers went back to their normal crews

ETS have the same crew they have to pickering and Ottawa.

Just not a good week-end for the team.

UBC is coming to DBC national championships. Will we see any other U crews there?

ubc sucks

don't be hatin'... they're coming all the way over here... that's cool.

Unfortunately, UC's official summer season concluded with Montreal. If the info for the nationals were put up earlier I am sure many top university crews from Ontario and Quebec would have attended for a National University Championships. But I speak only for UC, so perhaps some of the other crews will go.

"ETS have the same crew they have to pickering and Ottawa."

I don't know who wrote this... but it's false... we had 2 new paddlers and for Montreal, 2 nice paddlers was missing...

It would be nice to have more chances to actually race university teams head-to-head. Perhaps if more university teams went to Montreal (which I know may be difficult because of funding restrictions), maybe the organizers could be pressured into making a more "official" school division.

At the same time, it is nice to also be able to race in the open division . . . I think Centre Island does a good job of balancing both of these, while Waterloo and Montreal don't.

On a side note, I wonder if dragon boat will ever become a recognized university sport . . . hahah.