oohhh I'm missing the CCWC's.. it's happening right now owww owwww.

So by now the first round of heats of the premier mixed 200m has taken place.

How did G&G do in the first heat?

Heat 2 featured PDBC vs. Jamaica...

Heat 3 Philly, vs. FCRCC vs Mayfair...

Heat 4 Shtoorm vs ScotiaRouge...


And I missed it!! Stupid crappy job!

Everyone complained about not getting results from Welland for the NTT,
but not getting up to date results from this major event. With all the sponsorship
money they could have at least provided this technical aspect.

With slow results being posted they're really dropping the ball on a big opportunity to showcase this sport into the mainstream

Did the results from the World Championships come out quicker last year ?
I thought you could actually get them online.

How ironic.
We live in toronto, yet can't get any results from the race course.

I just found out that PDBC Elite Mixed won 3rd....

Okay....how did the others do ?
If Pickering won 3rd.....G&G must have won it ?

G&G did not win it...not sure of their overall standing....waiting for more info

ok who is this person who is supplying you with a fraction of the info???? All or nothing... CALL THAT BASTARD BACK RIGHT NOW!!!!

and am I the only won who desparately keeps checking the "results" section the the CCWC website to find it is still blank... sigh.

oh I think i'm coming down with something.. cough *cough* may still be able to catch the open division finals...

Well that is a bit rude! I am just passing on what info I have. I am just as eager on knowing the results.

The results are have just been posted....perhaps soon they will be posted to the CCWC webiste

me thinks you are a tad sensitive... would it help if I put a smiley face at the end of my post .

now stop sulking and get those results.

"The results are have just been posted....perhaps soon they will be posted to the CCWC webiste"

Did you say that just to see if I would go back to the CCWC Results Page and start hitting the refresh button for the next 5 minutes?

Well I did... and still no results!!

Ok. I called a friend there. This could be wrong because you say PBDC came 3rd in Grand.
She says PBDC came 1st, Mayfair 2nd, G&G 4th in the Grand. Rouge won the Minor.

I was like: are you sure??? Is this information credible. Probably not. I think my friend is a moron.

If those were/are the results - you are going to hear more about un-equal lanes
than ever before !!!

okay I have an update...I was told PDBC got 2nd....change that here is the latest....this is from a reliable source.
Prem Mixed
False Creek
Mayfair
G&G
Not sure abour PDBC

these results seem accurate....false creek is a favourite

Unofficial 200m Grand Final Junior Mix Results

1. Laoyam
2. PDBC
3. West Rouge
4. CDBA - USA
5. DCH - USA

So we had a Canadian sweep of the top 3??

That would seem more reasonable.
False Creek would have been the one's to beat with G&G.
Mayfair loks like they got their heads in there - always a fast 200m team.

The racecourse, looks very very tight. So getting wash would be pretty easy.

Absolutley!

Those lanes looked tighter than TIDBF.
You could almost reach out and clash paddles.

Congrats to all our Canadian teams.

A sweep of the top 3 for the first of the big races is great.

Anyone hear how our Jamaican Canadian team did?

Hmmm...Scotai Rouge shut out.
Hammerheads - Jamaica not even mentioned.

Lane bias coming into play in a big way. It should be a 4 lane course not five.

I think you'll find that Ontario Place and the new course will come the same
witht he way the lanes are working out.

The Rotyal Canadian Henley Regatta has live results on their site (i.e., instantaneous). Why the hell can't we manage something similar for what's supposed to be a premier DB event?

1. Faulse Creek
2. Mayfair
3. PDBC
4. G&G
5. German team (sorry can't remeber the name) NICE RACING GEAR.
No Russian's came to the event.

Ok despite the fact that the Russians were not there.. that is a great start for our Canadian Teams.

I think Socita Rouge took the Minor final too so that is Canada in 5 of the top 6 spots.

Too bad we don't have a nice chant like USA USA USA

My name Borat. I watch CCWC at Toronto.

200m Mixed final very close, except for FCRCC who was fast as my donkey. They win the other teams by 0.9s, but Mayfair, PDABCDEFG and G&G very close. Maybe 0.2s between 2nd and 4th. I like Dragonboat, do you?

What were the lane assignments?

The last poster was correct.

False Creek -
Mayfair -
PDBC -
G&G -
Germans -

False Creek was the only crew t ogo sub 46 sec. Everyone else was clumped in and around 46 seconds.

The lanes seem fair and are not as tight as they appear. They've pushed it as close to the wall a possible.

False Creek won in Lane 4 and Mayfair came second in lane 2, PDBC in lane 5, G&G in lane 3 and the Germans in lane 1

I very much proud of sister for best sex in mouth.

Best swimsuit, bar none.

Are you gypsy who touch my horse in very bad way?

Many Canadian woman I wish to make romance inside of.

Why other people use my name? You no like me?

I also see the Senior races. Finals were tight like a man's anus. The Canadian Senior Dragonboat Team beat Eat Trout by a little bit. Was fun to watch men in tights on little boat race.

Canada very civilized country in the world. Women travel on inside of bus, homosexuals no have to wear blue hats, and men can wear funny tights in boats.

before this thread goes in a direction other than the CCWC results, I think Borat should start his own thread and then if anyone thinks he's funny, they can read him there. What do you guys think?

^^^ are you man who makes with other man?

Where did you find results?

Anybody know the final resuld for the premier women?

Photos are being posted daily at www.jrdragonboat.ca/gallery1. Free for all.

False Creek took the Open 200m as well, doing it in 44s.

Senior Mixed-Canadian Sr. DBC
Senior Open-Canadian Sr. DBC
Senior Women-Canadian Sr. DBC

Premier Mixed-FCRCC
Premier Women-Montreal
Premier Open-FCRCC?

Junior Mixed-Laoyam Eagles
Junior Women-Laoyam Eagles
Junior Open-WRCC?

Strange results from the Senior Women...Mac's crew gets beaten
in Welland and then wins in CCWC's

Whats so strange about that? Its what racing is all about.

Can anyone tell me how the Philly and MAD teams placed on Friday? Thanks in advance.

Not sure about Philly but MAD Open finished 13th

I may be off occasionally but it should be pretty accurate

Premier Mixed

1. FCRCC
2. Mayfair Predators
3. PDBC
4. G&G Dragons
5. Kurpfalz Dragons

Premier Open

1. FCRCC
2. Kurpfalz Dragons
3. Macau
4. Scotia/G&G
5. Philadelphia

Premier Women-Not Sure
1. Montreal
2. FCRCC
3. OHDBC
4. ???
5. ???

Senior Mixed

1. Canadian Sr. DBC
2. Eat Trout
3. PDBC
4. FCRCC
5. Schwerin Uhu's

Senior Open

1. Canadian Sr. DBC
2. G&G Dragons
3. Philadelphia
4. Schwerin Uhu's
5. Brisbane River Dragons

Senior Women

1. Canadian Sr. DBC
2. OHDBC A
3. Currumbin Dragons
4. ???
5. ???

Junior Mixed

1. Laoyam Eagles
2. PDBC
3. WRCC
4. CDBA Youth
5. DCH Dragons

Junior Open

1. WRCC
2. PDBC
3. Laoyam Eagles
4. CDBA Youth
5. Philadelphia Youth

Junior Women

1. Laoyam Eagles
2. WRCC
3. PDBC
4. CDBA Youth
5. Stratford DBC

: )

Mixed 500 final from Sunday afternoon

1. FCRCC
2. Philly DBA
3. Kerplunk - Germany
4. Mayfair
5. Sloths A

I think you meant Saturday.

FCRCC was fast. They consistently clocked 1:57. Fastest time of the day however went to the Canadian Geezers at 1:56. That's with a slight head wind too!!!

Is this the same False Creek Team that lost in Welland?

Or is it watered down for the Club Worlds?

Interesting to see the results from Welland turned around for some of the teams.
Pickering look like they were half a step ahead of the West Rouge Canoe Club,
and this has shown all year.
Mayfair really looked to have done well, but interesting to see PDBC, G&G
(who appeared on paper as favourites), Scotia not even place. FRCCC look
very very strong
If Jim's Senior Teams had turned up, then they would have pushed Mac's Crews to second, although Mac's Senior women seem to be putting the fight back in that division.

Same False Creek team as Welland. They are good. Our winners from Welland have been split apart nicely into a couple of clubs and a bunch of non-participants, which is exactly what everyone wants, right? No all star teams at the CCWC.

So how many people have actually watched the event ?
To give you a clue - 1000 people standing 1/2m apart, 25 deep would give
25,000.

in the senior 500 it was

- Cdn Senior
- FCRCC- Roli
- Eat Trout
- Pacific Reach

in the 200 it was

- Cdn Senior
- Eat Trout
- Pacific Reach
- FCRCC - Roli

3rd in the 200 was so close hard to tell who won

From my memory:
1. kurpfalz 1:44.9
2. FCRCC 1:44.9 (inches)
3. Macau
4. Sloths
5. Philly
6. Scotia-Rouge
7. Kingston
8. Montreal
9. Dongguan
10. PDBC
11. SF Dragonwarriors
12. MAD

CSDB sweeps all categories
Macau wins the mixed 2k

#150 Senior Open 500m

PDBC - Sony G&G Dragons CAN 1:58.543

===============================================

Junior Open 500m Final Results

Laoyam Eagles CAN 05:58.902

===============================================

#162 Grand Dragon Open 500m

PDBC - Eat Trout CAN 2:03.

the timing thing on Layoam was obviously a typo, but those othter two entries are correct. both crews were entered under the PDBC umbrella.

Thanks Scott.

Really, who cares. Yet again you guys prove why no one likes PDBC

who's scott?

1:41 am...

chill a little.

Poster A was saying there were three errors, which were in Italics.

Poster B simply said there was only one error with the timing and indeed G & G and Eat Trout train out of Pickering.

I hate this forum.

The Laoyam result was not a typo. For whatever reason, the organizers decided to aggregate the results to determine the final result for the juniors.

2:00.875 was the time for the Laoyam Eagles in their last race.

It's over, and today, I'm proud to be Canadian - last nights party was a blast and all anyone could talk about was how amazing it had been. Thanks Toronto

What happened to PDBC in the minor final? It looked like they stopped paddling .....

They were shoring up energy for the 2000m and didn't want to bother going hard since the team was out of medal contention

What a weak excuse. So Pickering once again dogged a race?

Where was the after party, who was there and how was it?

From the lack of responses over the past few days, it is painfully obvious
the only people reading or contributing to this forum are those from the boats
paddling over the weekend. So all the back biting and general animosity levels
reached by childlike comments - we know know where they come from.

"From the lack of responses over the past few days, it is painfully obvious
the only people reading or contributing to this forum are those from the boats
paddling over the weekend. So all the back biting and general animosity levels
reached by childlike comments - we know know where they come from."

Right... ok, whatever

"They were shoring up energy for the 2000m and didn't want to bother going hard since the team was out of medal contention"

"What a weak excuse. So Pickering once again dogged a race?"


It's a shame that a club with as much talent as this, that obviously works very hard to be as good as they are feel that it is necessary to behave this way.

I can understand shutting it down during a heat, rep, or semi when you have already lost the race and there is no reason to continue to go all out. But in a final race, even if it is only the minor final I think it is disgraceful to walk it down the course like that.

Give yourself a shake, PDBC. That is not sportsmanship.

How the heck do any of you know what PDBC did?

Well, watching the race, I can tell you that they definitely weren't their normal selves. They posted a 2:15 in a championships - what do you think they did?

But then again, maybe that's as good as they are.

Don't ask me, ask PDBC. I am not going to guess like everyone else.

It would be nice if an overall winner was crowned based on results. I guess that would be False Creek, right? Good job FC.

The Canadian Geezers should go into the Premier categories. They'd do pretty good.

A mistake was made in the senior 2000 and they made a mistake and gave the aussie team third when it was in fact FCRCC-Roli that was third .They tried to get the medals back but seems some of the sussie had already left so they issued genric bronze medals to The FCRCC-Roli team

So it was

CDN Seniors
Eat Trout
FCRCC-Roli

Yeah they really messed up. It had been predetermined that Brisbane was not to win any medals (apparently someone complained that while Brisbane composed their team in accordance with the rules, they posed too much of a threat). They attempted to ensure that they did not medal by placing them in lane 0 for all finals and semis regardless of how they placed in the heats. Unfortunately it is much more difficult to disadvantage a team in a 2000 and obviously someone messed up because when the aussies came third, they were given their medals. It was only later that they realised their mistake and came up a lame excuse to try and take it away.

I don't get it.I did not see any lane disadvantages and we did well in any lane they gave us so not sure what you mean they were treated unfair ....the lanes were more than fair

Bull****. Did you not see the weeds outside of lane 1. It was really shallow. I saw the Aussies hugging the bouy lane all the way down the course. It looked like they were almost hitting each bouy all the way - the paddlers were definitely hitting the bouys. It was something to see. Its too bad they got screwed by the officals - even if they did have some canadians.

Hi, this is Borat. I watch dragon boat races this weekend.

I miss seeing officials making with the Australian team.

What is the meaning of the hitting and hugging of boys. We have similar sport in Kazhakstan, but in a field.


"Bull****. Did you not see the weeds outside of lane 1. It was really shallow. I saw the Aussies hugging the bouy lane all the way down the course. It looked like they were almost hitting each bouy all the way - the paddlers were definitely hitting the bouys. It was something to see. Its too bad they got screwed by the officals - even if they did have some canadians."

The lanes may have been fair (subject to debate), however the aussies were not put in a lane, they were placed outside of lane 1, it was not marked as a lane, they even had a race without the benefit of someone holding the front of the boat (I was watching on the screen and it looked like the starter even started them while the drummer had their hand up signifying they were not ready). If all the lanes were fair, including the lane zero, why did they always put the aussies in it, when according prepublished lane assignments, they should have been in another lane?
for instance:
Race 150 Senior Open 500m results
1st G&G 1:58:54
2nd Brisbane 1:59.97 (well done by the way)
3rd Schwerin 2:00:432
4th Wallstreet 2:05:27
5th Arafura 2:07:70

Race 151
1st Cdn Snr 1:55:96
2nd Philly 1:56:9
3rd Wascana 2:09:6

Brisbane had the 4th fastest time
According to the pre determined seeding for the Grand Final:
lane 1: 1st in Rep (won by Wallstreet)
lane 2: 3rd in heats (Philly)
lane 3: 1st race 150 (G&G)
lane 4: 1st race 151 (Cdn Snr)
lane 5: 4th in heats (Brisbane)

The actual seeding was:
Lane 0: Brisbane
Lane 1: Wallstreet
Lane 2: Philly
Lane 3: G&G
Lane 4:Cdn Snr
Lane 5: Schwerin
Why was Scherin in there at all? they didn't win a heat, they weren't one of the two fastest losers and they didn't win the Rep (didn't even race it). The exact same thing happened in the 200m. Either the officials decided to go after Brisbane or they took a fancy to those unitards

Joined this thread late - didn't hear anything official on the weekend about the Aussies - but having said that my understanding was that there was a clear contravention of IDBF rules since the Canadians that joined the crew had not been club members for 3 months...not sure if someone complained or protested that

really who cares? they came, had a great time and if the Canadian team members had fun and helped them out then that's great for dragonboating especially since next year the Canadian teams will be going down under!

poster above, I talked to several of the Sloths, an Aussie team from Queensland. The Brisbane team was loaded with Canadians, to the point they were being called "Canada River" (you had to be there). The Sloths believed that there was an uneven playing field, and perhaps there are small competitions within the competition, one to see which Aussie team ranks highest. To have one team stacked with non-club members seems to go against the spirit of the event.

The Australians on the Brisbane crew seemed very glad to have the chance to paddle ansd acted with good sportsmanship all week. I assume that since theybroke the rules, they were told in advance, but allowed to race as an exhibition crew. Lane 0 for the finals was generous in that case.

It msut be some of the Canadians in the crew that are making the fuss - who else would know so much about the lane placements and also post on this forum? Hmmm ... was it a back door to a "world" medal for those people?

Many people commented on how clear and clean the Lake was. Why stir up the sediment now?

Hats off to the CSDB for their consistent good races.

The energy of the junior teams was contagious, the starter gracious and getting on and off the docks a world event in itself. A rainy day would have turned the site into a mud bath, but it was sunny all week.

By the way, how wide are the lanes on that course?

No fountains.

There seems to be a few presumptiuons being made. The first is that the Canadians were not club members. Did the organizers have proof that they were not members? If they did why not disqualify them?, and shouldn't the issue of club membership fall under the Aussie DB Federation? The second is that the team was stacked with top Canadian paddlers. If these Canadians were so good why weren't they snapped up by the Canadian teams?
How many canadians were on the Jamaican team? What about people from the Cdn Snr team paddling for MAD?

At the end of the day, if the host country is capable of supplying paddlers to teams that otherwise wouldn't come because they don't have enough people that can afford it then why not? The event would be better for it.

You're too funny.

I like you. When do we get to have sexy time??

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This thread is too funny. This is supposed to be the Club Crew Championship. Who cheated - most top crews. The Canadian National Team was there - a club crew NOT!!! The chinese sent their national team. Same with Philly. G&G was loaded with Premier Paddlers. Kingston was all Canadian. There was a jetstart guy on the phillipean team for sure.

"This is supposed to be the Club Crew Championship. Who cheated - most top crews. The Canadian National Team was there - a club crew NOT!!! The chinese sent their national team. Same with Philly."

I thought Philly's excuse for not placing in any Premier Open races was that they were the only top team who didn't cheat. How many non-Philly guys did Philly have on its team?

It was interesting, if a little disheartening, to see the BRD being singled out in this way. Especially considering the blatant disregard of the rules shown by a number of other teams, some of whom have already been named in this thread. Clearly, many teams were "outside the rules" - maybe they should have set up an entire course of Lane Zeros where all the "cheaters" could race each other and take home the Cheaters' Cup at the end! Something to consider for future Club Crews....

Rules state that you can only be a member of one club, but can participate in various racing classes for that club. So a NY paddler can be a part of the Philly crew if he/she paddles for no other club in that, or any other racing class.

Also, you do not have to be of the same nationality as the club you are paddling for. Not relevant to this year, but Hong Kong is a good example. Many non-Hong Kong nationals could (and did, in Cape Town) paddle for their club crew.

Residence is also not required. For instance, local Canadian Clubs could, and did, fly members into the Club Crew championships. Again, not against the rules.

If you want to argue about who broke actual rules, read the rules first.

If you want to argue about the "spirit" of the rules, then this argument could go on for a long, long time, and few would be absolutely free from some transgression or other.

But all that aside, the Club Crew World Chamspionships is still an event worth having.

When the coach of the BRD contacted us and invited us to paddle with them at CCWC, we were only too happy to oblige. The cost of bringing an entire team here was prohibitive and he wanted to give his people a great racing experience by having a full complement in each boat. The BRD are a fairly new club and were looking to come here and learn more about racing at a high level. Members of a number of Canadian teams were represented on the BRD this past weekend, and the collaboration was very rewarding for all of us. We shared valuable information about drills, technique, starts and how to organize a large club with several rosters at an event. Gary, their coach, is an old (well, not THAT old)flattie from way back, and is full of knowledge that he was only too willing to impart. We learned "heaps" from him and from the other BRD coaches who work in the club.
True to form, when the going got tough and the Aussies realized that they could not medal, they responded by racing even harder and placing even higher. We, in turn, raced harder with them and for them and made a really great race weekend out of the whole initiative. For us Canadians, it was certainly not "a back door to a medal at the Worlds" - what a ridiculous suggestion - that was, in fact, the last expectation we had for CCWC's. What we did expect, and got, was the satisfaction of bringing together people from different cultures and backgrounds and working together to make a really great sporting experience happen - which is what this is all about when you get right down to it.
AUSSIE, AUSSIE AUSSIE!!! OY! OY! OY! We had fun, Mates, thanks for the memories!

Trout won every heat and final in over 50 class in Welland and CCWC in Mixed and Open.

"This is supposed to be the Club Crew Championship. Who cheated - most top crews. The Canadian National Team was there - a club crew NOT!!! The chinese sent their national team. Same with Philly."

"I thought Philly's excuse for not placing in any Premier Open races was that they were the only top team who didn't cheat. How many non-Philly guys did Philly have on its team?"

Ah, one wondered when the Philly bashing would start. Its probably from an American who hates to see Philly do well.

Philly does not live by the Canadian PP rules, regardless, Philly sent their club crew, which just happens to be a good team. All of the women live in Philly, and of the few men who do not live in Philly all of them have been racing with Philly for at least 2 years some for over 10 years. They did not bring in any of the Olympic guys from CA they had in Shanghai or Berlin. All you had to do was watch what they had to do to get boats out. They were making sure of their finish positions to avoid the third Premier Open semi so they could have enough time for the dozen or so seniors in their Open boat to jump in to do the Senior final.

Philly won the silver in the 500 Premier mixed, did you happen to see who they beat along the way? They made it to the Premier Open finals ahead of some really fine boats. Their seniors took 3 medals behind two stellar Canadian boats, look at the times, they rivaled the Open times. This was their first race of the season and they were using it as a warm up to Tampa and they are pretty happy with the results. The Philly Tampa boats will be stronger as they are bringing in some of their outside talent to get the Sydney bid.

"Its probably from an American who hates to see Philly do well. "
That Philly American raced with MAD. His club membership, as well as the other Philly paddlers who paddle for MAD club is questionable.

I heard that there was a timing mistake and that FCRCC Roli were 3rd when they recalced the times.

I also heard that Brisbane had contravened the rules and that they were racing exhibition, that is the reason when you look at the results you do not see any country beside them, since no one knew which country they really were from (I guess).

Overall, it looks like Canada sent a strong contigent of teams in all divisions. Will they do the same at the next club crews? We shall see in 2 years!

Re: the Senior Mixed 2000. There was no timing mistake. You heard wrong. BRD was third and FRCCC was fourth. The results on the CCWC site show this.

"August 14 2006, 11:20 PM" makes sense now that I think about it... kinda like how many/most Canadian track & field athletes are not even from Canada. Then we have the Lennox Lewis thing where he was born in Canada, moved to the UK, rep'ed Canada at the Olympics and rep'd Britain as a pro.

I think it was good that there was a Jamaican team even though from the whining from the haters that the team consisted of people born outside of Jamaica (I'm only assuming this). That potentially gave Jamaican Canadians a team they could cheer for and maybe introduce them to dragon boating and potentially have their own team in the future. Dragon boating seems a more practical sport for Jamaicans than bobsledding...

Anyhow, the more countries being represented the better, IMO. Make this more of a World-type event instead of a Handful-of-Countries-type event.

"I think it was good that there was a Jamaican team even though from the whining from the haters that the team consisted of people born outside of Jamaica (I'm only assuming this). "

No, the whinning is because team Jamaica tried to qualify as a Canadian entry (Hammerheads), failed and then came up with this "Jamaica team" stuff. Oh, and four people on the team were born in Jamaica and came to Canada as kids.
If they just did the Jamaica thing from day one nobody would care.

"I heard that there was a timing mistake and that FCRCC Roli were 3rd when they recalced the times.

I also heard that Brisbane had contravened the rules and that they were racing exhibition, that is the reason when you look at the results you do not see any country beside them, since no one knew which country they really were from (I guess).

Overall, it looks like Canada sent a strong contigent of teams in all divisions. Will they do the same at the next club crews? We shall see in 2 years"

If there was a timing mistake why did it take 24 hrs to discover it? There is nothing in the rules that say you have to be a citizen of a particular country to race with a crew (look at the Hammerheads... I mean the Jamacians). All you have to be is a member of a crew which as I understand it, all the Canadians paddling with Brisbane were members of BRD. There are a number of teams comprised of members that don't regularly practice together (Cdn Snr team is an example). The AUS beside their name in the results stands for Australia, however there are a couple of races where there are no countries listed for whatever reason.

Absolutely Canada had a strong contingent of teams, unfortunately because of the BRD controversy, you have to start questioning a few other issues such as:
People paddling for more than one club
PDBC seemed to have a huge club and didn't seem to try and hide the fact that they where other crews:PDBC-Eat Trout, PDBC Scotiabank Rouge etc. Clear contravention of DBC's rules for competing at Club Crew as a Canadian team.
And of course the whole Kingston Jamacia sham.

to clarify re Brisbane - my understanding is that yes they were members of brisbane club- but not for 3 months which is the IDBF rule - apparently many were asked in Ottawa (end of June) so if that's the case it's clear that the 3 month rule did not apply - think that's the issue... if Brisbane had asked them a while ago then less controversy would have ensued...

having said that while they were a calibre team they weren't really challenging a lot for medals so what's the big deal. Though maybe if you;re the sloths or another Australian team you could find it annoying.

Yes Roli was third in the 2000 and yes they have been awarded bronze medals. On the result list they had FCRCC-Roli 5 seconds behind Pacific Reach when in fact they actually crossed the finish line beside Pacific Reach and after review of the race that was found to be correct which meant that Roli had made up 20 seconds as they started 2 back from Pacific Reach .

The medals had already been handed out and apparantly some of the bribane team had left so they were not able to get them back.The Brisbane team was told the following day the mistake that had been made so they are aware

FWIW, I was the one who spotted the timing discrepancies and I brought it up with the officials. The reason it took a while was the results were not posted until the next day. The officials indicated they will update the results but give them a break they had a busy weekend so wait awhile before the times are adjusted on that race.

And yes Brisbane was there for exhibition also so no medals were to be awarded to them (from what I heard).

For the PDBC thing with all the teams. It wasd done so that a couple of mixed teams could join together for open (mens) races. Rules say that if two teams want to make an open team they must be from the same club

Anon Aug 15 1:47. I was at Ottawa and didn't see Brisbane there. The question is did the officials (or anyone else for that matter) have any proof that these Canadians didn't join 3 months before or was an assumption made.

Eagle Eyes good catch, but did the officials actually review the tape or just take your word for it (not questioning your integrity, its just that eye witness accounts are seldom 100% after such a delay). If Brisbane was just there as exibition, then nobody told them. I was talking to a few and they were pissed by how they were being treated.

3:37 15 Aug, So PDBC broke the rules (DBC says that Canadian teams have to have competed together in the qualifying year).

Does anybody know you actually qualified from Canada anymore?

"3:37 15 Aug, So PDBC broke the rules (DBC says that Canadian teams have to have competed together in the qualifying year)."

They have competed together last year. Nice try though.

When they say competed together I don't think they mean competing against each other. Lets face it these teams put PDBC in front of their names so they could sneak into the event.

I paddle with the OHDBC. With respect to at least the men's crews, the PDBC team did paddle together last year at the trials. I'm sure that there were guys from the G&G, PDBC, and Scotia-Rouge mixed gender teams who did race together in the men's races.

I don't think that what PDBC did for the single gender races was a violation of the CCWC rules.

How were the officials able to get copies of the membership forms sent to them from Australia so quickly? The Officials had already started screwing with BRD by race 27 when they sent their senior mixed crew to a Rep when they qualified to go straight to the semi. Presumably the officials would want proof of an infraction prior to acting on it. Of course that would imply there is integrity in Canadian Dragon Boating. For all we know these canadians could have been members since Christmas or whenever Brisbane decided to come. If we as Canadians want to start punishing crews that made a huge commitment to come, then lets clean our own house first. Of course if you went after every team that broke the rules it would be a pretty quite event

It's some loudmouthed Canadian who paddled for Brisbane that is causing all this crap.

Look, at this year's CCWC, Brisbane was not a big deal. If Canadian dragonboating wanted to screw with someone, it would be a contender in a division that was up for grabs. Like Premier open or mixed. What incentive would they have to screw around with Brisbane?

Also, you should check with Brisbane to find out exactly why they weren't allowed. Jamaica was allowed to race because they had all their ducks in a row before going. The Philippenes were allowed to race with only 12 people showing up (probably also a exhibition crew only). They aren't complaining to high hell. YOU are complaining because there is a CCWC medal that possibly would have been hanging on your bedpost/doorknob/faucet/eavestrough if the IDBF officials (YES IDBF not CANADIAN) didn't notice your ineligibility.

It wasn't hard. You guys didn't get it. Deal with it and move on.

if I'm not mistaken all rosters had to be submitted and cleared through dragonboat Canada since they were the ones who organized the qualifying events last year. Deadline for that was midnight July 31st. So maybe DBC picked up on this at that time and reported it? I'm not sure what happened but the fact that the Brisbane team accepted the treatment means they knew they were violating the rules doesn't it???
I think they showed great commitment coming and am glad they got to race - but I dod see that if you were another Aussie team like the Sloths or Currumbin you might be ticked...

Great racing, wonderful sportsmanship, perfect weather, an almost flawless event, and most of the discussion centers around a few marginal hiccups.

I am glad to see as many crwes participating as possible. Sport should be as much about inclusion as it is about competition, performance, etc. Push out enough crews and you'll be competing aganist no one!

Thanks to everyone who administrated, organized, participated and spectated - a truly memorable event.

"When they say competed together I don't think they mean competing against each other. Lets face it these teams put PDBC in front of their names so they could sneak into the event. "
You know nothing. Did you race for the spot in Eastern/Central Canada last year?
If you did, you got beaten by one of the crews you're talking nonsense about.

Actually not all teams competing in CCWC had to beat someone to get in. There were some that got lucky and landed a spot simply because no one else showed up.

What was the story with the PDBC crew in the 500 meter open? I was told they stopped paddling but can't say I saw it myself.

The story I got (rumors) was they were saving themselves for their 2000 meter race. But I understand that the 2000 was a mixed crew so only half of the boat (max) would have been doing both races. I don't buy it.

What gives? Please PDBC speak - Defend your selves or forever be shamed....

A good team never stops paddling hard.
You guys remind me of Michael Johnson pulling lame against Donovan Bailey in the fastest man competion.

Give PDBC a break. Shutting it down to save yourself for a more important race or to get into a certain draw is part of the game of racing. Maybe the "good" team that always paddles hard would be a great team if their coach knew anything about racing strategies. This criticism is without merit. For example, why would anyone paddle as hard as they can when winning a heat by a comfortable margin?

But this wasn't a heat this, was the minor final! PDBC - shame shame shame. For G_ds sake this was the Worlds we are talking about.

For Anon @ 4:04 PM, yes they reviewed the tape. It took them 2 hours to review, very methodical. The officials were great in handling the whole thing (in that I mean the whole 4 days of racing). It is not easy dealing with whiners and still smile but they did. They also worked with integrity based on everything I saw...which was a welcome change to previous Club Crews that I have been to. I take my hat off (and I have way more respect for the officiating than I had before this event) to the officials it ain't easy.

It was actually the tail final.

"pdbc August 15 2006, 10:03 PM

It was actually the tail final."

No, it was the minor final.

Major (Grand) - places 1-5
Minor - places 6-10
Plate - places 11-15
Tail - places 16-18, etc.

PDBC walked it down the course to place 10th overall in the Premier Open division.

my mistake, i was ill-informed

August 15 2006, 7:46 PM

"Give PDBC a break. Shutting it down to save yourself for a more important race or to get into a certain draw is part of the game of racing."

How did things turn out in that "important race"? Ya Ok, when you are the middle of the pack it may be smart to do as well as you can in any race you are lucky enough to be in. To bad, maybe they can try hard next time they are at a CCWC event.