Any predictions? (yes, I'm bored)

Team List:
3R
Action Sport Physio
abbynormal
Aon Turbo.22
Barbares de Québec
Big Fish
BMO Groupe financier
BMO Rising Dragons
Bombardier Venus & Mars Express
CAE & CSRC - Phoenix Warriors
cascades grand masters
CBD Desjardins Pacemakers A+
CBD Desjardins Pacemakers B+
DCH Racing Uni/HS
Descendants of the Dragon
Dragon Boat Club of Boston Ninth Dragons
Drunken Dragons
FCCP-YCPA
Hanalei
HKDBF-NY/DCH EX Racing
Hydro-Québec MTL-2
Hydro-Quebec MTL-3
JetStart
Kraken
Les vitevitevite.ca de Canoe
MAD
Maki Catta
MTDBC Lightning
MTDBC Montreal Thunder
Natural Killers
Ninth Dragons
Paparazzi Dragons
Perfect Storm
Philadelphia Mixed A
Philadelphia Mixed B
Power Wave Crushers
Rogers Dragons Sans-fil / Rogers Wireless Dragons
Ruban en Route
Ruckus Dragon Boat Crew
Ryerson University & University of Western Ontario - Tap That!
San Francisco Bay Area Dragons
Shockwave
Sinai Lightning
Super Flying Dragons
Typhon
Typhon Fun Club
University College Water Dragons
University of Toronto New College New Dragons
Wongs' Imperial Dragons
Wongs Dragon slayers

Thats not the full list of teams

http://www.montrealdragonboat.com/english/teamInfo.php#mixed

Glad to see many US teams making the trip to Mtl. Philly team should be good. Don't know about San Francisco thought.

Bump

Im just waiting for Soothsayers predictions

1. Philadelphia Mixed A
2. Philadelphia Mixed B
3. Wongs Dragonslayers
4. Big Fish
5. HKDBF-NY/DCH EX Racing
6. 3R

7. University of Toronto New College New Dragons
8. Hanalei
9. JetStart
10 MAD
11.BMO Groupe financier
12.University College Water Dragons

3R in 6th?

GG, I'm sorry but there are at least 4 or 5 teams that will place ahead of UC. And Hydophobics will not be denied.

And Hydophobics will not be denied.

Goddamnit, you can't say that! That's Riptide's line!

OK Riptide will not be denied(TM)...a place to set up again

Just out of curiosity, did anybody ever save that particular posting on Riptide's internal forums?

Just before the trade deadline last year for an undisclosed price Hydrophobics received a small number of Riptide paddlers and partial rights to the "will not be denied" phrase.

Therefore Riptide's "will not be denied(TM)" is being used under consent from Riptide? Do they get any royalties from the use of those rights?

no wong's imps on that list? how is 3R in 6th. dont believe philly B will place 2nd either

1. Philly A
2. Wong's Dragonslayers
3. Hydros
4. 3-R
5. Big Fish
6. Verdun

7. Hanalei
8. BMO Groupe financier
9. Philly B
10. DCH-HKDBF-NY
11. New College
12. Jetstart

I think you guys underestimate Hanalei.

And no knock on the Hydrophobic dragons, but it will be interesting to see if they can follow up their success at Toronto Island with a similar performance in Montreal.

Why wouldn't they? Did they lose paddlers?

Yes they did. Not as fast as uears past. They will still do very well.

Hanalei lost some paddlers, but they do this every year and still do well.

There is no reason to expect that Hydrophobic won't do as well as they did in Toronto, I'm just interested to see if they will.

ly These teams I believe are the most likely to be in A or A con. (in no order)

JetStart
Big Fish
Hanalei
Philadelphia Mixed A
Philadelphia Mixed B
Hydrophobic
cascades grand masters
UCC


And yes, I fully think Hanalei is being underestimated here. Hanalei is a solid competitor.

We'll see you at the A final finish line Hanalei!

New College is going to whip Hydro just like Waterloo

No one is biting here New College troll. Looks like this will be a strong final. Good luck everyone. See you there.

yes NC, pls Dog your way to A division LOL

Who let the dogs out?!...woof woof

"New College is going to whip Hydro just like Waterloo"

nice try troll

Back to the topic at hand, you should add Mofos to the list of 'A' contenders and possibly Phoenix ETS.

Good job anti-New Dragons troll... we've had 100 or so posts of this in the Waterloo Predications thread already. Leave them out of your haterade.

2 heats plus am final = 3 races

why do you pay tribute to those you hate.

jealousy?

im pretty sure new college is gonna beat everyone in montreal!!!!!!!

We've been training hard, for sure we'll be in the top 6 since we can beat hydro

NC what's with the love affair with hydro? I don't see them mentioning you every post. In fact, I doubt you are even on their radar.

Stop derailing the thread- grow up and get over yourselves.



ANYWAY... Montreal is going to tight this year. With so many top level crews attending both A and A con are going to be wicked races.

u ppl are so mean. and so stupid. honestly. picking on a bunch of students.

go get married or something already.

I'm the same age as some of the NC team.... and I still think they need to grow up.

wellllllllllll lllooook at you! fancy pants.

i'm sure ur mom thinks you're specialllllllllllllllllllllll too!



awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

Lots of good teams to choose from.


1. Philly Mixed A - National team caliber crew
2. Verdun Adrenaline - Best chance of bringing top honors to Montreal
3. Wongs Dragonslayers - Appear to have been overtaken by Verdun
4. 3R - Wouldn't surprise me to see them being as high as 2nd
5. BMO Groupe Financier - Fitting that the fastest BMO team is from Montreal
6. Hanalei - Know how to paddle in shallow water
7. Hydrophobics - On a meteoric rise and have a strong roster for this regatta
8. Big Fish - Rarely do they miss an A-final but this is one of those rare times
9. DCH - Fast crew with a big roster to draw from
10.MOFOS - They look healthy but somehow I picture these guys showing up half asleep and wreaking of alcohol

Other teams to consider:
Philly Mixed B
Cascades Grand Masters
Pointe Clair Dragon Flyers
Hyperactifs
New Dragons
Jetstart
MAD
DCH Uni
Isshin
BAD
Phoenix ETS
UC Water dragons
Living Root
ABbyNormal
Montreal Thunder
Boston Fusion
Shockwave
XtremeNY
Jade Dragons
Sinai Lightning
Ruckus

Don't rule out Gung-ho, they have a new look and were definitely the winners in the Bytown break-up. They were .4 sec behind BMO Fin in Ottawa. They could have a top ten finish here.

Race Schedule is up:

http://www.montrealdragonboat.com/documents/Preliminary%20Race%20Schedule%20V2.0.pdf

Race 54 should be a to watch:
Cascades Grand Masters
MOFOS
Wongs' Imperial Dragons
Philadelphia
MTDBC Lightnight
Hanalei

Race 57 as well perhaps.
Dragonslayers
Hydrophobic
Big Fish

*should be a race to watch

I think either 3R or Wong's is gonna take this one. Philly is an American quality National team so I think they'll both beat them and who knows maybe even the hydros will.

US National quality team meaning?

2006 CCWC

#127 Premier Mixed 500m Grand Final
1 3 FCRCC CAN 1:57.360
2 2 Philadelphia DBA USA 1:58.874
3 5 Kurpfalz Dragons GER 2:01.302
4 4 OHDBC - Mayfair Predators 2:01.914
5 1 Sloths DBC - A AUS 2:02.246

A Final -


1. Philly Mixed A - USA National team, so odds are on them
2. Wongs Dragonslayers - Defending champs from last year
3. Verdun Adrenaline - Will do well
4. 3R - Have done well, but never over the top
5. Hanalei - done well all year
6. Hydrophobics - a surprise this year, can they keep it up
7. Big Fish - Consistent performer
8. DCH - Consistency is the key, can produce some fast times, but inconsistent.

Did Montreal's format change to only mixed teams? I noticed that Philly only has entered mixed teams. In the past, they entered some men's teams.

There are open races.

Philly A should win this category.
There might be some surprises here depending on how some
of the combine teams work out.

"Re: Montreal Predictions? July 23 2007, 9:32 AM
A Final -
1. Philly Mixed A - USA National team, so odds are on them "

This probably won't be the "USA National Team" doubt they are bringing in their West Coast contingent. From the description looks like they will mix in their seniors, should be fast anyway. They raced with mostly Philly people in CCWC last year and did well.

BMO Montreal's captain will find a way to complain about why they lost once again to the Slayers and Verdun. He will also have another arguement with the race officials about the BMO logo on his team tent and he should be paying the MIDBRF advertising money

Nice try anonymous.

what's the story behind bmo? please do share?

BMO will wake ride as usual, that's the only hope they have. The reputation of the steerer and it's members with it's bad sportsman conduct will continue. Things remain the same.

where is this BMO crap coming from?

gossip more why dont you... lets get back to the topic at hand...

Are there any known lane bias in Montreal?

Yes there is. I'm heavily biased towards lane 3.

"Are there any known lane bias in Montreal?"

Yes but its a secret, don't want you to follow our race strategy!

the basin is all about wind and empty lane.

if lane 0 is empty and west wind then 1 wins everything. if lane 6 is empty and east wind then 6 takes all.

How can 6 be empty and take all at the same time? I dont remember lane 6 ever taking anything. It hugs the shore and the weeds are especially bad there.

lane 6 is pretty much the death lane at the basin.

I'm setting the over/under for broken seats at 12.

I'll bet over.

July 23 2007, 2:26 PM
Philly will clean house!

WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT THERE IS LANE BIAS IN AN "OLYMPIC" BASIN??????
Honestly I'd like to know. I personally feel that anyone who thinks there is bias in ANY lane at the basin is just makin up $h!t to account for their failures in years past.

Just give me proof.......

No, a proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.

I'm betting 8 broken seats.

you want proof, you can't handle my proof.
the truth is that you need to do a depth measurement for all lanes and then you will have the truth.

not a depth measurement - a weed measurement.

Or perhaps they might be talking about the two giant sand bars where the walls have started to cave in on lane 6.

A weed measurement????

There's going to be drug testing this weekend?

obviously the doubters have not paddled in the Basin or has never gotten the Lane 6 drawing straw.

YES start rollin. Meet me at the finish.

long time montrealer

nothing to do with depth, everything to do with wind and water displacement.

if you are alone in lane 6 you will do fine.

if you have a crew in lane 5 beside you that is close then your boat wave is crowed by lane 5's and the shore.

here's one for you to ponder

if equal crews are in lanes 0-1-2-3-4-6 with 5 empty who is 1st and 2nd?

I agree with above poster.

I have found that that most common 'wind pattern' is one that swirls and gives lane 0/1 a push. But you don't always get that wind.

The rules of lane preferences in Montreal are very complex. Each team gets a choice of six lanes, except for the team on the starter's right, who gets seven. The second lane is faster, except on Tuesdays.

It's time....

1. Philly Mixed A - Will win unless someone throws a serving of poutine into lane 1. If that happens, the poutine will win by half a tray. (Read: Severe Lane Bias)
2. Hydrophobics - It sickens me to say it too. But they're near the point where they probably won't be denied. Unless they spend too much time at Super Sex on Saturday night. If that happens, top 5.
3. Wongs Dragonslayers - The Imps of Quebec. Aren't that great anymore, but won't freaking go away either.
4. 3R - These guys should be getting prety darn good by now. Aren't they sprint canoers?
5. Big Fish - After the midpoint of every season, Gavin starts doing his celebrity paddling thing with this crew again. Once again it won't mean all that much.
6. Verdun Adrenaline - Lane 6 sucks.

7. BMO Groupe Financier - This just in, GWN 2006 WAS a fluke.
8. MOFOS - Started the season off strong but haven't paddled competitively since the Island as the men focused on the Central Region Qualifier with PDBC. That didn't go too well....
9. Hanalei - When a good team gets really depleted AND goes on a road trip, you get a whole lotta nuthin.
10. DCH - Someone make sure their steersperson doesn't have a paddle near him. He's turned a DB into C-21 before....
11. Jetstart - Such a crapshoot with these guys since sometimes they show with good paddlers and sometimes they show up with garbage. I'm assuming Montreal will draw out most of their good paddlers...who will be hungover on Sunday after a Saturday night with frogs.
12. New College - Going for (AND Acheiveing) a university cup sweep

13. UC Waterdragons - If Waterloo is an indication, I think these guys will make me wrong about #12
14. Phoenix ETS - Will once again be shoved aside at their home regatta by UofT.
15. MAD - Too few veterans to do damage now.

Nasty, nasty today Soothsayer. Someone crap on your cornflakes this morning?

Well, at least you didn't call MY team "garbage".

Good luck to all in Montreal.

Your vision of the A final will come into fruition as they say "when pigs fly"

GO MOFOS

"If that happens, the poutine will win by half a tray"

LMAO

Speaking of, can anyone recommend a place in Montreal that's known for their Poutine and Montreal-smoked meat sandwiches? Gotta make the trip worthwhile.

"quand les porcs volent"

Schwartz's?

Schwartz's all the way!!

best in town... and know all over for being so fantastic!

Look at what's headed the other way....this can't be good...

Accurate or not, I don't care, but Soothsayer is my favourite prognosticator.

Anyone know about the advancement rules yet? Best time on Saturday places where you race on Sunday? What about the 500m Sunday morning? Only for lane placement for the 250 final or is it actually a final by itself? Teams could get 2 awards?

word on the street is that the mullet man will make an appearence on the main stage during the awards ceremony.

Philly will sweep all the races easily. They may not be bringing their full USA national team, but more than enough will be there to make them unbeatable.

The rest of the Canadians will be racing for second & third

They will be racing in NYC next weekend and will bring their full National team there to compete with the local teams and take all the prize money to Australia!!!

BAN SCHWARTZ'S!!!

Unless you want to stand in line for over an hour with your team and get major attitude from fat butchers who could care less for your business, this is warning to STAY AWAY.

I went with my team a few years ago. Waited in line for over an hour for take-out and when I got near the front of the line, I heard one of the fat butchers utter.. "let them wait, they'll come back anyways." Any business that is that arrogant does not deserve anyone's money. Bad service is one thing, but being utterly rude to your customer's is another.

Consider this fair warning...

philly may win in open and mixed, but the mtl women should beat their women handily.

why get so violent about things.

Sunny will be awarded the order of Montreal for his work in promoting the Dragon Boat sport in Montreal.However due to the red tape and the city workers being on strike the award will be presented some time in November.

FINAL A

MOFOS
Wongs Dragon Slayers
Philly

"MOFOS
Wongs Dragon Slayers
Philly "




Hahahahhahahhahahahhaahahah

(breath)


Hahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahhaah

strike?

did someone say free parking?

No free parking believe it or not they've actually installed Parking meters at the basin. Which are strickly enforced

Looks like Laronde wins the prediction game. Philly appeared unbeatable today. Our only hope is if they go out drinking tonight and stay up late at the strip clubs.

In years past, Philly has always placed first or second -- but they have always been close races. Sounds like they're getting no real competition this year. Has Philly gotten that much better, or has the level of competition in Montreal gone downhill?

BTW, many of those Philly guys are notorious for going to Montreal strip clubs and drinking (as are other teams, to be fair), but it never seemed to slow Philly down in the past. So it seems that something far worse than partying will be needed to stop Philly!

Philadelphia Mixed A 2:02.29
Verdun DBC - Adrenaline 2:05.08
Hanalei 2:06.02
Philadelphia Mixed B 2:07.12
Outer Harbour Dragon Boat Club Hydrophobic Dragons 2:07.29
Wong's DBC Dragonslayers 2:08.13

Big Fish 2:08.14
BMO Groupe financier 2:08.25
DCH Racing/HKDBF-NY 2:08.26
University of Toronto New College New Dragons 2:09.00
Gung Ho:Barrhaven/Eagleson Dental Associates 2:09.05
Les Hyperactifs 2:09.13

Pretty good top 2 divisions and pretty close racing except for Philly. Haven't seen such dominance in a top division for a long time.

Results of Sat. was up online already as of 7:30pm: http://montrealdragonboat.com/documents/Saturday.pdf

Rankings of Sat. link: http://montrealdragonboat.com/documents/Saturday.pdf

Sh*t: That LST youth team beat a 3R team!

Double Sh*t: They also beat MOFOS! lol

Triple Sh*t: I gotta be racing in 3hours! <Yawn>.

Was on schedule, couple of broken seats, ended up total delay of 30mins which got caught up by end of day

Looks like a very strong Final A-B-C today.

Good luck all!

Americans win majority of the divisions in Montreal

A Div Mix 500M - Philly A
A Div Open 500m - Philly A

A Div Mix 250m - Philly A
A Div open 250m - DCH Racing

A Div Women 500m - Montreal Elite
A Div Women 250m - Montreal Elite

Philly will take all divisions in NY next week.

Philly was the class of the field. no question.
Verdun proved they are the new team to beat in Quebec, but are a ways off from competing with the likes of mayfair, False creek and the beasts yet.

god those boats are crap....

"Philly was the class of the field. no question."

That's not saying much. No disrespect to Philly -- who always shows up strong in Montreal -- but the quality of Canadian teams showing up in Montreal continues to diminish. Philly made a smart financial choice: go to Montreal knowing that they were highly likely to win some prize money.

"A Div Mix 500M - Philly A
A Div Open 500m - Philly A

A Div Mix 250m - Philly A
A Div open 250m - DCH Racing

A Div Women 500m - Montreal Elite
A Div Women 250m - Montreal Elite

Philly will take all divisions in NY next week"


Likely, but it looks like DCH wasn't half bad. Since the NY races will be in DCH's home swamp, expect (as always) for the fix to be in so that DCH can beat Philly. Of course, Philly usually overcomes the shennanigans pulled by the NY officials (aka, DCH insiders). But if DCH is truly competitive, things could get interesting at the swamp.

"That's not saying much. No disrespect to Philly -- who always shows up strong in Montreal -- but the quality of Canadian teams showing up in Montreal continues to diminish. Philly made a smart financial choice: go to Montreal knowing that they were highly likely to win some prize money. "

Not so fast. Philly men won the 500 by just .03 seconds (love to see the photo finish on that one!). They lost to DCH in the 250 by .96 seconds, with Rip the Fondue just .01 seconds behind Philly. Looks like the races were quite close after all. The DCH/Philly grudge match in NY next week will be interesting.

a) I'm pretty sure there is no prize money.
b) Verdun was stacked with paddlers from Plan B/Telus/Thermolec/whatevertheirnameis.

46 of the 66 races held on Sunday resulted in a sixth place finish for those racing in lane six.

My crew raced twice on sunday from the lane 6... URGH ! water is so heavy there !
As for Philly being dominant... not too sure about that.
True they won the mixed and premier division, but if you look at the time and especially if u were AT THE RACE SITE, you would know that as much as they were dominant on the saturday, their dominance faded on the sunday. Verdun held them untill the finish on the 500m and the Montreal Men (called Manjohng or something along that road) lost by a mere 0.03 seconds...
In the women's heat they lost to the Women's elite crew, who don't lose often.

3R A team is actually "Michel Pellerin Architecte" which finished a bit in front of LST.

"46 of the 66 races held on Sunday resulted in a sixth place finish for those racing in lane six"

well, that's supposed to happen - teams in lane 6 are the lowest ranked teams of each finals heat. If anything, the results would suggest that lane 6 wasn't that bad...

"Likely, but it looks like DCH wasn't half bad. Since the NY races will be in DCH's home swamp, expect (as always) for the fix to be in so that DCH can beat Philly. Of course, Philly usually overcomes the shennanigans pulled by the NY officials (aka, DCH insiders). But if DCH is truly competitive, things could get interesting at the swamp. "

There isn't a DCH - Philly grudge at all. Both teams congratulated each other after the last final.
Expect an outside crew being brought in to compete against Philly for the prize money, organized by Honey Bear.

DCH insiders - NY officials?? are you sure or you just another low life sh*t stirrer??!! last we heard the organizer banned the kneeling technique so that DCH cannot use that style during the races. looks like it's being set up for Philly to take all the money to Australia

" looks like it's being set up for Philly to take all the money to Australia"

"All the money"? Looks like the amount of money being offered in NY is at an all-time low: http://www.hkdbf-ny.org/home.php?choice=cashandprizes

If those figures have not been increased, a men's team can win $4000 at most. That won't even pay for two people to go to Australia. Even if one club (Philly?) wins all the men's, mixed, and women's races, they take home $10,000. Divided by 44 people (men's and women's teams), that's less than $250/person. Not a whole lot, but it's something.

"Not so fast. Philly men won the 500 by just .03 seconds (love to see the photo finish on that one!). They lost to DCH in the 250 by .96 seconds, with Rip the Fondue just .01 seconds behind Philly. "

Well considering how 2 of the crews brought in additional help, I think Philly did quite well. They used the same people all weekend. You didn't see 2-4 new heads pop on on Sunday all of sudden for the finals.

Not sure if you can draw any conclusions by who was in a team's boat on Saturday versus Sunday. Maybe some crews had extra people and wanted to let everyone get a race. Maybe some crew members had prior commitments on Saturday.

Like always, there is a lot of inaccurate information in this forum. Also a lot of sore losers.

Congratulations to all teams this weekend.

The New York Race is not really a race, just a game of surviving. You don't get to use your own equipment, the lake depth varies all over the place, and they use all different boats. There is no accurate lane lines, all the rules are ambiguous, and the organizers have no dragon boat paddling experience. You can win up to 10,000. 2,000 for first place for each distance. another 2000 to 4000 for overall winner.

There is no big grudge or bad blood between Philly and DCH, they did congrat each other after the race. Philly is a Nationa Caliber team, DCH is filled with weekend warriors/students.

DCH is not racing in the Men's Division, but rumor, and I stress rumor, a disgruntle former Philly men's paddler is bring down and paddling with the Canadian national team to race in NY. So it will be Philly, MAD and the Canadian National Team. DCH did not enter because of the organizers.

Unlike other NY teams, DCH has never seeked outside help. It's unfair to say that, a roster check could been done anytime. Their team has good philosphy and they develop their own paddlers. I've paddle with the other teams in NY for Montreal.

The Canadian National Team ?? Funny I thought the Canadian Premier National Team was out west.I doubt you will see them unless it's the senior team

It's a rumor. No one knows who the third team racing in the Men's Division. No one knows who is racing until the schedule comes out. That's how ridiculous the NY organizers are. The may it secretive.

"Not sure if you can draw any conclusions by who was in a team's boat on Saturday versus Sunday. Maybe some crews had extra people and wanted to let everyone get a race. Maybe some crew members had prior commitments on Saturday."

Yes you can, rosters allow for 6 spares, if you see crews with changes up to 7-8 paddlers, something isn't right and it's always the same 2 crews. Certain people stand out, especially people on this forum who often complain about fair play, you can't miss them.

If your club members are present, race your club, don't go and get outsiders to race while your own bench...it's only Montreal...not a race, not the Worlds...not by far...get a grip!

MOFOS - 32nd in 500m and 34th in 250 - too much beer and strippers
Big Fish - last years bronze what happened 8th and 11th?
Hanalei - Wow ride that free pass to the podium, not once not twice but 3 times
3R - Where were you?
BMO Montreal - Yes best BMO but not much to brag about
Last years podium - what happened to all 3 teams - Wongs from 1st to 6th, 3R from second to what like 30th and Big Fish from 3rd to 8th

Let's be fair, Wong's knocked out Big Fish by 0:00.01 for an A final spot. Hanalei was ranked in the 30s before they rode the Philly mixed bus to the 3rd seed. I heard a paddler on Fish snapped his CF paddle in the 500m final too. BUT, I think these guys should have done better based on who was in their boat. Former Olympian Coach + 3 well known multi-A Final Championship paddlers. These guys never seem to do well even when they stack.

Here's my annual on Montreal:

Announcer: Same girl as last year; have to admit she improved but organizers: Go get a pro
Race Scheduling: Wonderful, out of town crews get to race later, 500m AND 250m finals with buttloads of nice hardwares KUDOS!
Porta-Johns: Get more!, alot more! With the blue collar strike it made things worse, perhaps getting more at the last moment wasn't possible, but you get the point. Cleaning not at 7am on Sun. was a big plus this year! Increase teams=Increase potty usage.
Weather: Held up, a little rain on Sat. cooled things a bit, but overall great DB racing weather
Boats: Saw two broken benches, spent too much spare time around the Wii area lol, but racing was on schedule so that was nice.
On Schedule:With a registered 205 teams on Sat. & 199 on Sun. using only 2 sets of 6 SRS with 1 spare, and 8 mins/race the organizers ended up with only 15-25mins behind on Sat. and 25mins on Sunday. Wow. Great job.
Volunteers:We weren't allowed to get into the boats until it was all bailed out. Talk about service! When it poured on Sat. the kids didn't vanish as other Festivals did. Wow. I overheard over 180 volunteers showed up. Holy sh!t, now if we can get them all to start learning to paddle, hmmm....
Team Services: COLD water for teams!, tents in the marshalling area so we don't bake or get drenched!, hosing for public on Sunday's hot Sun: 5 stars.
LST: You young 'uns truly improved, renewed my faith of dragon boat paddlers. You finally made it to Premier after 3 years. Final A,B, or C next year perhaps? You're our future, don't read this Forum and you'll be fine. Organizers: Whatever deal you've made with this kids, keep it up. They will be a force to be reckoned with, don't kill the spirit.
Performances: Japanese drums came back this year. Yeehaw. Sorry big fan of Taiko drums.
Award ceremonies: Excellent, handing out awards throughout the day. No waiting at all.
Overall impression: A big improvement considering that this true "Festival", unlike many many other regattas stamped with a "Festival" name, made not only spectators feel welcomed, but also welcome a broad diversity of teams from around North America. Where else would you see such a strong attendence of New York, Toronto, Miami, San Fransciso, Boston, and Philly crews?, and we're talking about competitive crews too not your run of the mill totally rec crews.

Stars: 4 1/2 out of 5.

Visiting this trashy forum again next year. Hope attitudes will be cleaned up by then.

Have a nice year everyone, it was great to see so many old friends and made new friends at this Festival. For those who know who I am, I'll see you again at next year's Montreal International Dragon Boat Race Festival

"DCH is not racing in the Men's Division, but rumor, and I stress rumor, a disgruntle former Philly men's paddler is bring down and paddling with the Canadian national team to race in NY. So it will be Philly, MAD and the Canadian National Team. DCH did not enter because of the organizers."

Why would DCH not race at Flushing? What do the organizers have to do with it? Just curious because if DCH could get a full men's crew up to Montreal, why not Flushing?

And please stop spreading stupid rumors about some secret former-Philly/Canadian connection. Geez.

Yes another expert armchair athlete with nothing better to do than comment on a sport he/she only wishes they can participate in. Very unfortunate that one must watch from the side lines and not make a team at this level. It's a bugger to be picked last huh!

I cannot believe the morons on this forum... and me for actually wasting my time responding. However it does give these losers something to look at when they are standing in front of a mirror wondering why no body wants to play with them!

The local competition in quebec is actually stronger than it's ever been. teh average bar is much much higher

"Yes you can, rosters allow for 6 spares, if you see crews with changes up to 7-8 paddlers, something isn't right and it's always the same 2 crews. Certain people stand out, especially people on this forum who often complain about fair play, you can't miss them."

Isn't every team trying to put its best 20 people on the water? So what if Philly/DCH/whoever used the same paddlers Saturday and Sunday while others didn't. How does a team get an advantage by paddling different people on Sunday than on Saturday? Are you going to tell me that the Philly/DCH paddlers were more tired on Sunday because they had to race a few races on Saturday? I assure you that any team that can perform at that level will not be fatigued in the least bit come Sunday if they race a few times on Saturday.

Leave Fish alone. The lanes are ridiculous and a lot of teams got f'ed. In fact, F division final should have been B or C final, but for some crappy lanes.

Isn't that why teams were given lane assignments of 1/6 or 2/5 for their 2 races on Saturday?

"Isn't that why teams were given lane assignments of 1/6 or 2/5 for their 2 races on Saturday?"

Not quite. Look at the sched again and it looks random. Fish (for example) got lanes 1 and 3.

That didn't happen. It was purely random as far as I could tell. And your placement depended on your best race time, not your combined times.

"Philly is a National Caliber team, DCH is filled with weekend warriors/students."


DCH beat Philly in the 250 in Montreal. So you just insulted both Philly and DCH.

Was lane 6 the only "slow" lane? How about lane 5?

"You can win up to 10,000. 2,000 for first place for each distance. another 2000 to 4000 for overall winner."


Can you substantiate that? The Flushing race's website says $1,000 per race, with another $1.000 to the overall winner.

Shorter distance is a crap shoot. Anyone than raced in the Basin over the past decade knows about Lane 1 in the afternoons. Good win for DCH in the 250 so enjoy it guys.

"Was lane 6 the only "slow" lane? How about lane 5?"

Lane 5 was pretty good, didn't notice much difference from Lane 2,3 or 4

Once again the Montreal festival was a blast with really good teams from out of town coming in to race the locals. Well done Montreal organizers and many thanks to the volunteers who managed to keep smiling while having to bail boats all day in the stifling heat and humidity. As far as the level of competition is concerned it looks to me that it was overall the toughest regatta this year in terms of quality teams. Too bad Mayfair and the Chiros did not come out to play. Some interesting overall placements from the Toronto teams to measure the level of competition at this festival:

Overall 500m Placement:

3rd - Hanalai
4th - Hydrophobic Dragons
8th - Big Fish
20th - Quicksilver
21st - CN Aquatrain
31st - Jetstart
32nd - Mofos
33rd - UC Water Dragons

Low blow of the weekend was the protest in the Mens "D" final race where Lets Sink Together had the winner BAD/Jetstart disqualified because they had a couple of gals paddling. Go buy yourself some balls gentlemen or at least implants.Your protest gave you 2nd in a meaningless race. Congrats!

'The local competition in quebec is actually stronger than it's ever been. teh average bar is much much higher'



eh! thanks to wash riding and Philly teams in lane 3.

To see CN Aquatrain up ahead of those other teams is quite the head scratcher, but good for them

July 22 Prediction
"I think either 3R or Wong's is gonna take this one. Philly is an American quality National team so I think they'll both beat them and who knows maybe the even the hydros will."

Philly used the above to motivate them, their B team, which was mostly a mix of seniors and grand masters, beat last year's champs. BTW, it was far from the "national team", Philly had less than half of the men who will race in Sydney.

Premier Mixed 500m Final
Lane
1. OHDBC Hydros 2:06.29
2. Hanalei 206.24
3. Philly Mixed A 2:05.26
4. Verdun 2:206.17
5. Philly Mixed B 2:08.19
6. Wong's Dragonslayers 2:09.19

"Philly used the above to motivate them"

Please. Philly doesn't need that kind of crap to motivate them. Philly's been racing as a club for 20+ years. They win because they practice hard, not because somone makes a prediction here.

'The local competition in quebec is actually stronger than it's ever been. teh average bar is much much higher'
eh! thanks to wash riding and Philly teams in lane 3.

In the mixed at least, all results have to be judged by the above. The officials were clueless to wash riding. Hanalei did a 2:10 in the first race (race 12) finishing second to MAD in their heat. In their second race they rode Philly wash to a 2:06 jumping over numerous teams to a lane right next to Philly in the A final. Teams didn't even have to try and disguise it, they were setting up right on the buoy line next to Philly at the start. Verdun had two legitimate fast times on their own before the finals and had to squeak by Hanalei for second.

"Lane 5 was pretty good, didn't notice much difference from Lane 2,3 or 4"

Idiots. Explain then, why the results generally looked like this:

First Place : Lane 1 (sometimes 2)
Second Place : Lane 2 (sometimes 1)
Third place : Lane 3
Fourth Place : Lane 4
Fifth Place : Lane 5
Sixth place: Lane 6

It gets gradually worse the further out you go.

leave 6 open and race in lane 0 and lane 5 will win everything. it's all about having the empty lane beside you where your boat wave can propagate freely.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA!!
Thanks for the laugh. I needed that on a Monday morning while suffering from severe sleep depravation. It seems no team can do well on the merits of their hard work, without being accused of stacking the boat.
You people amuse me immensely...

The stacking included one guy from telus...

Congrats to all who participated in this event

Philly did a great job of paddling this weekend.
They showed why they are a class by themselves in the USA.
DCH has no problems with Philly and more than likely they don't have
any issues with DCH, though 1-2 people have tried to put a wedge between the two teams the past 8 years.

Coach Mac if he remembers coached a few of the DCH veterans about 12 years ago.

In regards to the other ridiculous statements, it's better left unanswered.

Addressing the HKDBF-NY races, well, look at the rules and you can see why DCH can only enter certain teams this year. We look forward to seeing Philly there every year because
they bring the level of competition to the highest ever. We wish them the best in Australia and if it means stopping by NY to pick up a few dollars to help send a few people on the National team there, it's good for the whole community.

I hope this was the Final, Final, but now seriously final year for the dumbtwat announcer.

Dude is right, i can still hear the darn voice in my head!

We got the message, ok?

1. MIDBRF announcer.
2. Voice me no like.

Anything else you add is purely redundant, and quite frankly speaking, totally subjective.

"Low blow of the weekend was the protest in the Mens "D" final race where Lets Sink Together had the winner BAD/Jetstart disqualified because they had a couple of gals paddling. Go buy yourself some balls gentlemen or at least implants.Your protest gave you 2nd in a meaningless race. Congrats!"

Wonder what team you're on.

Was wondering if anyone in Montreal happened to save a copy of the front page of the Gazette on Sunday and would be nice enough to save it/send it upon receipt of payment from me.

Thanks.

>>Was wondering if anyone in Montreal happened to save a copy of the front page of the Gazette on Sunday and would be nice enough to save it/send it upon receipt of payment from me.

Thanks.<<

You got mail.

Sweet..thanks man.

cool, so your gay pride float made it to the front page!
(not that there's anything wrong with that)

gay is the way...bitch!

"Let's be fair, Wong's knocked out Big Fish by 0:00.01 for an A final spot. Hanalei was ranked in the 30s before they rode the Philly mixed bus to the 3rd seed. I heard a paddler on Fish snapped his CF paddle in the 500m final too. BUT, I think these guys should have done better based on who was in their boat. Former Olympian Coach + 3 well known multi-A Final Championship paddlers. These guys never seem to do well even when they stack"


Hmmm, what to say about this? Yes, we got "pipped" out of the A final by 0.01 second. Our fault for not racing faster in our first heat. Times were wildly variable in the afternoon with a swirling wind. Headwind, then tailwind, no, now it's a crosswind. It varied from one heat to the next. So it was up to us to lay down a fast time while conditions were nominal, and we didn't quite do it. Our second race was right into a headwind, which the times for all three teams clearly reflects.

As for Hanalei, I always say these guys are one of the most underated teams out there. They are quality paddlers who know what the deal is. If they rode the bus (and yeah, they did) then it's only because they were smart enough to do so, and good enough to make it work. Good for them, and congrat's on the 3rd place finish. Well deserved.

"Former Olympian Coach + 3 well known multi-A Final Championship paddlers."

Well, yes our coach is a former Olympian and a great paddler, and we have a lot of experience in our boat. 3 well-known, yadda hoo-hah wha? We have good paddlers, but I don't think we're unusual in that regard. Should we do better? Yes, and we strive to.

And yeah, the paddle-snapping thing actually happened. First stroke of the start, but the aforementionned ex-olympian coach and paddler. We had a mental brain-fart and hadn't brought a spare in the boat so it took a while to get him some new lumber. Then we had to fight like hell with 19 paddlers to get back in to the race. It was one of the toughest races I have ever been in, and I am supremely proud of the crew for clawing our way back to second place, just barely "pipping" DCH in the process. Wow, what a race. That's one I'll remember for a long time.

Congrats to everyone who paddled so well in Montreal this weekend. It was fun.

"Addressing the HKDBF-NY races, well, look at the rules and you can see why DCH can only enter certain teams this year."

Care to elaborate?

Jason, I found your picture…
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Did anyone watch the 100m race?

Wow was that crazy !

I liked the system in Montreal, just move the whole dock system down for the 250m races, cool !

Hey Waterloo winners no Lane 9 this time eh! You got your ass kicked big time !

Welcome to the real show and relatively fair lanes !

I didn't attend the New College after party! I swear!!

Sam Tirgari and Nick Miladinovic, stop spreading rumours.

"DCH has no problems with Philly and more than likely they don't have
any issues with DCH, though 1-2 people have tried to put a wedge between the two teams the past 8 years."

Get your story straight. While the DCH paddlers were not to blame, the wedge was caused by the repeated biased calls against Philly by race officials over the years at Flushing. Because DCH was (still is?) sponsored by the same company that sponsors the Flushing races, there was always a suspicion that the race officials were doing their best to give DCH an unfair advantage.

ering a m"Addressing the HKDBF-NY races, well, look at the rules and you can see why DCH can only enter certain teams this year. "

I checked the rules but saw nothing that would prevent DCH from entering a Men's team at Flushing. Seems odd that there won't, especially after seeing them beat Philly in the 250 in Montreal. Having DCH's men race in Flushing would make the races more competitive.

Check the entry fee price for the men's division. It's $1200. That's one reason. Would you pay that type of money for a crappy race course? I wouldn't, and you wouldn't either, and that's why you're not going. Any team could win by pure luck.

hehehe, I thought that pic was from your birthday party Jason? :P

> As for Philly being dominant... not too sure about that.
> True they won the mixed and premier division, but if you look at the time and especially if u
> were AT THE RACE SITE, you would know that as much as they were dominant on the saturday, their
> dominance faded on the sunday. Verdun held them untill the finish on the 500m and the Montreal
> Men (called Manjohng or something along that road) lost by a mere 0.03 seconds...

I'm a Toronto based paddler and I must say that the above poster isnt especially accurate. I did watch the final 500m race, and it was painful to watch. As soon as the race got started, it seemed verdun (lane 4) and hanalei (lane 2) hopped on the Philly (lane 3) wash, and hung on for as long as they could. Every stroke Philly took seemed painful and dragged the two other crews along, and philly just couldn't break free. When Verdun decided to shoot off the wash near the finish, Philly suddenly (and quite easily explainable why) seemed freed from an anchor and were able to energize up their finish. Given fairer conditions, you may have observed a more "dominant" race.

"I'm a Toronto based paddler and I must say that the above poster isnt especially accurate. I did watch the final 500m race, and it was painful to watch. As soon as the race got started, it seemed verdun (lane 4) and hanalei (lane 2) hopped on the Philly (lane 3) wash, and hung on for as long as they could. Every stroke Philly took seemed painful and dragged the two other crews along, and philly just couldn't break free. When Verdun decided to shoot off the wash near the finish, Philly suddenly (and quite easily explainable why) seemed freed from an anchor and were able to energize up their finish. Given fairer conditions, you may have observed a more "dominant" race."

Great report! Thanks.

The last poster is right philly was amazing and if not for the wash rideing would have won by more. What actually happened though was philly stayed to the right for the first 250 allowing verdun to grab wash. This was a resault of what hanalei did the race prior which was grab a ride to the "a" final. At about the 250 they moved over to the left and hanalei was able to grab for 200m of the last 250. But really it shows how good they are because any team that could ride and got next to them was going to medal. Grat job philly. Just for the record hanalei only got a ride for the 500m races. They didn't ride the 250's. Yes they were not in the middle of the lane but there was no wash rideing going on there. They are a good team and desrve respect for what they did on the weekend.

damn why is this guy writing about the same crap 3 times and pretending to be 3 different people?!
Give credit where it's due and not to just one team. Come up to Toronto race and see how dominant you can be then.

Is Philly coming to GWN?
I'd love to see them up against Rip The Fondue, G&G and the CSDBC for that matter.

Philly would get their butts whipped by G&G or Mayfair, maybe even Chiro's and CSDBC.

Rip the Fondue was already in Montreal and they did face off against the Philly Men...check your results

Philly did go up against Rip the Fondue in Montreal...

For the lazy ppl.

500m Top 20s
1. Philly A
2. Verdun
3. Hanalei
4. OHDB Hydro
5. Philly B
6. Wongs
7. Gung Ho
8. Big Fish
9. DCH
10. BMO
11. UofT
12. Les Hyperactifs
13. MAD
14. RBC Comets
15. Half Row
16. Les Pics Bois
17. Montreal Thunder
18. DCH Uni
19. Michel Pellerin
20. Quicksilver

250m Top 20s
1. Philly A
2. Verdun
3. Hanalei
4. OHDB Hydro
5. Wongs
6. Philly B
7. DCH
8. UofT
9. Gung Ho
10. BMO
11. Big Fish
12. Les Hyperactifs
13. MAD
14. RBC Comets
15. Half Row
16. Les Pics Bois
17. Montreal Thunder
18. DCH Uni
19. Adrenaline
20. Michel Pellerin

Not many position changes in the 2 distances.

I think NC dogged their 500 so they could get lane 1 for the 250, j/k

What happend to the mofos?

500m Finish
32. Mofos

250m Finish
34. Mofos

The reason why there few placement changes in the 250/500 was because we were slotted in the same divisions for both.

"Get your story straight. While the DCH paddlers were not to blame, the wedge was caused by the repeated biased calls against Philly by race officials over the years at Flushing. Because DCH was (still is?) sponsored by the same company that sponsors the Flushing races, there was always a suspicion that the race officials were doing their best to give DCH an unfair advantage."

Man, you need to get a grip on reality. Your Mom forgot to tell you the tooth fairy and frosty the snow man isn't real. This conspiracy theory
is such a joke.

I was a paddler for several of the clubs and also worked for the HKDBF for a few years and witnessed a lot of the so call atrocities you're mention. Almost every club, corporate, non-profit team has felt they have been cheated at one time or another at that New York. If you think DCH or any other team has favoritism or is "fixed" to win, You're dead wrong. For instance why are all the top NY crews have to perform a time trial every year for lane selection even though it is only a 3-4 team race and Philly is always given the middle lanes? HKDBF goes out it's way to bring Philly up to give it the level of credibility it needs to be an national level festival. they'll be stupid to try to "fix" the race every year so Philly loses. It's totally absurd.

Corporate teams makes allegations about each other as well, Chase thinks HSBC gets preferential treatment, etc.

It's managed poorly with little or none foward thinking to making bigger or better. If this race was a corporation, it should have went under long time ago, but it's the only show in town, so it's surviving, barely. If the Liberty sink fest a few years ago were able to grab a few more of the top NY teams and 1-2 more sponsors they would have had a chance to take over the the city.


This Festival used to get fairly large size sponsorship from a few companies but as with anyone who's raced in NY, everyone always get screwed at one time or another. So the corporations that you used to see 10 years ago have long gone and those who hang around or tied through the Chinese business organizations.

Miss that race Ed. Bring it back!!!

Au contraire, last time Philly raced Mayfair they didn't get their butts whipped. The teams at Montreal were closer to them . Maybe Mayfair would get its butt whipped in Montreal?

2006 CCWC

#127 Premier Mixed 500m Grand Final
1 3 FCRCC CAN 1:57.360
2 2 Philadelphia DBA USA 1:58.874
3 5 Kurpfalz Dragons GER 2:01.302
4 4 OHDBC - Mayfair Predators 2:01.914
5 1 Sloths DBC - A AUS 2:02.246

I hate Mayfair, but they are significantly faster than before.

LOL at comparing Montreal times to anything.
The only reason times in Montreal are close is the race course. The only reason. Unless you're totally outclassed you should be within a sec of winning crew in any final as you get carried down the course.
Nothing against wash riding, it's just the way the course is.

Yo Anon July 31 2007, 11:25 AM

Mayfair is not quite the same team in 2006... they got faster!

11:28...why do you hate Mayfair?

Philly is a good crew, Mayfair and Philly shared silver medals in the two finals last year. Mayfair did well against Philly in Welland in NACCC in 2005. Those are the only times they have raced each other recently.

LST mens team is a bunch of crap...they disqualified Bay area dragon/Jetstart team beacause they had some women in the boat...boohoohoo...little babes got whipped by some women paddlers and they go crying to the organizers. this team deserves no respect and..and their pink shirt suits them well as little girly men.

rumors are not right about canadian national team showing up to NY...who thinks up these things?!!?!?!

Predictions!
Philly dominate this weekend.
MAD..this team is notorious for stacking with outside help so???
DCH..strong but not MEN?!?!! that is crap..I hear they were practicing all year round with the high kneel but organizers denied their mens team so they withdrew their entry because the event is set up for a philly dominance.

You're making predictions about an event that already occurred?

Man I love this forum! There are so many creative minds here that can't separate reality and fantasy. I love how people make stuff about other teams and have no clue to what is going on. We should get them together to write a Harry Potter book.

National team to NY - HAHA!
Philly Conspiracy - HAHHAHA!

"DCH..strong but not MEN?!?!! that is crap..I hear they were practicing all year round with the high kneel but organizers denied their mens team so they withdrew their entry because the event is set up for a philly dominance."

The dragon boat west. net forum stated that DCH is practicing the high kneel for Asia and not for NY. That was in June during the Vancouver Festival. You would think that they've been around long enough to be able to plan this ahead. So I would tend to think if they didn't have a mens team in NY it would be another reason. Fantasy writers can chime in now....

so Rudigar lifted his broadsword high in the air...

congrats to hanalei and verdun for excellent racing tactics in both finals!

I can't tell whether or not you're being sarcastic.

I just LOVE sarcasm.

No sarcasm, I was being serious. They had an advantage in that, they were both beside philly, and to that they executed their game plan flawlessly. Its not easy to do what they did. It takes experience and hard work by the crew and cox to keep a team like philly from breaking free! So congratulations.
If I were in their shoes I would have done the same!

"Its not easy to do what they did. It takes experience and hard work by the crew and cox to keep a team like philly from breaking free!"
Not in Montreal. There needs to be a major difference in crew levels for any breaking free on that course.

Not that Philly is complaining since they do the same.

to poster August 2 2007, 11:40 AM


you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Look at phillys times on saturday when they were by themselves with no competition around them. No comparison to the closest teams. As soon as you get into the finals, and you watch verdun and hanalei line up on phillys lane buoys, during the race, philly can only get ahead by a nose.

In the mens race the dude from philly in the red hat was complaining to the starter (actually standing up) that the crews beside philly were not in the middle of their lanes.

Anyone who ACTUALLY KNOWS anything about racing knows that philly was contained by the squeezing verdun and hanalei, who were looking for any kind of ride

That is not an easy task, and as such is why i congratulated both teams for excellent racing!!

"In the mens race the dude from philly in the red hat was complaining to the starter (actually standing up) that the crews beside philly were not in the middle of their lanes."


If that is so, he's a hypocrite. The Philly team won its only medal (bronze) at the 2003 Worlds in Poznan by riding the wash of the first-place team the whole way down the course!

then he is a hypocrite cuz he was doing it. ask and of the hanalei or RIP boys.... it was actually quite funny!

To his credit he came around after and apologized!!

Verdun did solid times, including a 2:05 in the heats. The only other crew that broke 2:07 was hanalei in their surf central heat.

They both rode in the final. I don't think either steer will hide that fact.

I don't mind verdun second, but hanalei vaulting from 2:10 to 2:06 is a little suspect.

1 Outer Harbour Dragon Boat Club Hydrophobic Dragons 2:06.29 4
2 Hanalei 2:06.24 3
3 Philadelphia Mixed A 2:05.26 1
4 Verdun DBC - Adrenaline 2:06.17 2
5 Philadelphia Mixed B 2:08.17 5
6 Wong's DBC Dragonslayers 2:09.19 6

Suspect of what? Performance enhancing substances?

a true reflection of their performance, obviously...

Interesting however that Hanalei lost to MAD in their first race but ended up in the A final. The event needs semi-finals.

I guess Lane 1 wasn't the help everyone thought it was. it certainly didn't help the Hydros.

Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Hanalei

HAHAHAHAHA

This is getting ridiculous with all these ineunendos, listen if you're not in the "A" finals, those are the breaks, it's not like you only have one chance to get into the "A" finals. If you need to complain one team got in and you didn't, it's because your other heat was slow too.

Those who complain about lane 6, yeah it seems slow, but in fact, it's slow because you're placed there because you're the slowest qualifying time. Do you expect to beat any of the other crews who qualified with a faster time?

Train harder...

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I want to hear more about Rudigar...

the only reason why lane 1 is any help is because it affords the team the ability to cling to the left and allow its bow wave to dissapate undisturbed by other crews next to them.

Interesting...so the teams will cling to the left towards shallow water...I don't think so. From my view most teams I saw line up in the middle or towards the right to get into deeper water.

actually, there were only 4 or 5 teams at the festival competant enough to use lane 1 to an advantage, so most the teams you probably saw were not of that calibre. If indeed it was one of those 4 or 5 teams that you saw hugging the right side then they probably had a significant team beside them from which they were trying to grab wash. either that or they knew they were going to blow out the team in lane two, and decided that the best race strategy was to stick to the centre to avoide wash or rebound waves off boats travelling to the start in lane zero

And heres another reality check for you, the bottom of the basin is FLAT, so your argument about lane 0 having shallow water is a bunch of bs!!!
Ask any of the top teams steersman how they would use lane 1 to their advantage....

Lane 0 has straight vertical walls? the bottom of the basin may be flat, but the walls taper towards the bottom, so your theory is BS.

Also 4-5 teams know how to take advantage of them is a bunch of pooh also.

"bunch of pooh"

what are we in grade one?!

1:46 pm

final times are skewed because everyone gets pulled down by fast crews.

for real times look for teams that pulled them off in the heats without the benefit of a fast crew to haul them down.

Wouldn't slow crews be pulling them back then - thus this also wouldn't be a good indication?

I think he means that slow crews are getting hauled along by faster crews and faster crews are getting slowed down by other crews riding their wake so the times are skewed. The only way to see a "fair" time is to look at heats where they were paddling by themselves.
If you take average time (as was done last year) for men's and mixed you'll see some shift in divisions for some teams.

Ok how are the times skewed? If team x does a 2:06 it's 2:06 regardless of who they're dragging behind them. Yes it will slow down thier times but to use the term skewed means the timming was wrong. That's not the case they just put in a slow time due to other crews. No offence out there to other steers people but at the end of the day if you're getting your wash road in a freaking ten foot wide lane, it's because you fail to be a good steers person. It is possible to keep teams from grabbing your wash without breaking away from the pack. So the fact that x's steers person could not get either team off thier wash is a reflection of his ability. Hint next time stay in the very centre of your lane. It makes it much harder to grab a wave and if anyone does it's so far back at that point it doesn't matter. Or you could always just cry and complain to the officals. But hey who listens to them anyway. Not this cowboy!

I'll refrain from calling you an idiot, but you're wrong, wrong, and wrong.

In Montreal it is almost impossible to stop a team from riding your wash when the course marshal doesn't order the team next to you back into the centre of their lane. Last weekend they were riding down the lane markers like Pac Man gobbling down the little white dots. And although I don't fully understand the mechanics of it, having a team latched onto you like a remorah DOES slow you down.

It's part of the game at the Basin, and everyone knows it. But it is no error on the steersperson to not be able to shake a crew.

I second that.

If you could avoid wake riding by staying in the center of your lane, philly couldn't have had two teams on thier wake, which they did have all of sunday.

Repeat x2]
My wash it brings ****ty crews near my lane,
And their like
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge

I know you want it,
The thing that makes me,
What the guys go crazy for.
They lose their minds,
The way I wind,
I think its time

[Chorus x2]
La la-la la la,
Warm it up.
Lala-lalala,
The boys are waiting

My wash it brings ****ty crews near my lane,
And their like
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge

I can see youre on it,
You want me to teach thee
Techniques that freaks these boys,
It can't be bought,
Just know, thieves get caught,
Watch if your smart,

[Chorus x2]
La la-la la la,
Warm it up,
La la-la la la,
The boys are waiting,

My wash it brings ****ty crews near my lane,
And their like
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge

Oh, once you get involved,
Everyone will look this way-so,
You must maintain your charm,
Same time maintain your halo,
Just get the perfect blend,
Plus what you have within,
Then next his eyes are squint,
Then he's picked up your scent,

[Chorus x2]
Lala-lalala,
Warm it up,
Lala-lalala,
The boys are waiting,

My wash it brings ****ty crews near my lane,
And their like
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge

way to kill this thread

Can someone tell me where to find the results of montreal? Mixed, womens, and mens?
thanks!!!
Love,
westcoast

Here you go: http://www.montrealdragonboat.com/english/2007_schedule.php .