Does anyone know if there is a listing of the teams competing at this event.
Who's going?

Thanx!

Mayfair has shown they are a different level team than everyone else this year and will win this qualifier easily.

Nothing will be easy....

I think Mayfair needs a dose of reality again > insert FCRCC

Welland will show how good Mayfair is. In Pickering they had lane 6, CSDBC had lane 4 and probably not the full roster they had in Ottawa.

In Toronto, the field was weak and Scotia Beach was watered down from previous years, partly because Mayfair took a couple of their better paddlers.

In Pickering, Toronto and Sudbury, who knows if the course is really 500m so it's tough to compare times. And Chiro's are no where near Mayfair level. (Don't slag me here - they just aren't surveyed courses and it can make 1 sec difference either way).

But Welland will be deep fast water, surveyed course, everyone on their A game and fair lanes. If Mayfair rocks, again, hats off!

I think they will kill everyone and eliminate any doubt.

Welland would be a great course for the CCCWC race off, but it won't be there. The race off was moved to the new course at Marilyn Bell many months ago.

It should be close between G&G and Mayfair.

You wish, but Mayfair is dominant now and has moved away from G&G.

There's that old Mayfair attitude.

You must be one of the guys that doesn't paddle with them anymore.

I'm a Mayfair supporter and proud of it. Mayfair can act like they are the best because they are the best!

In other words, you're a bandwagon jumper. Congratulations.

clap

Mayfair's good, but for the amount of work that they put in as a crew and talent in the boat they should be way faster.

My money is on G&G. For some reason I feel they are going to pull this one off. My perdiction, G&G leads the whole race and just holds off Mayfair.

I suspect that the people making the arrogant posts about Mayfair dominating aren't either current or prior Mayfair paddlers. The race off should be very competitive and no crew is going to walk away with anything.

To the person who expressed disappointment about Mayfair not being faster, given the training we do, we're sorry! It is probably a function of our age... someday you'll find that you have to train that much harder just to maintain the same speed (or delay the inevitable decline) as you age.

Good luck to everyone in Sudbury and at the CCCWC race off.

Nice try Mayfair paddler to take the pressure off but you guys gotta walk the talk now.

"Mayfair's good, but for the amount of work that they put in as a crew and talent in the boat they should be way faster."

Dumbest thing I've read so far today, but the day is young.

How much faster do you expect them to BE? Faster than CSDBC and G&G is pretty damn fast. Faster than FCRCC? Who knows. They certainly look faster than last year, so it's possible.

But you're disappointed they're not faster. That's just plain dumb.

you are gonna have to walk the talk. Let's see how Welland goes.

And I'm assuming you are just totally writing off Chiros in Sudbury...

You are just a dumb sh_t! How many times do you need to be told that the race off has been moved from Welland to the western beaches water course?

Also knowing paddlers on all 4 teams: Mayfair, G&G, Chiros and CSNP none of these crews will take the other lightly nor will any of them boast how good/fast/slow/better they are. I yes I do realize that they are in 2 distinct age divisions.

People who think Mayfair will have it easy are poorly mistaken. I tip my hat to Mayfair for easily being one of the top teams on the water. They train hard as a team and it pays off.

Do not under-estimate G&G. They only had 2 practices in a dragon boat before Pickering and were not far behind Mayfair. I saw them practicing at Sunnyside last week; if they're training as a team they will be hard to beat.

I think both teams are going to have their hands full if they want to win this race-off. Should be fun to watch.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL CREWS RACING!

Don't discount Pickering, as I remember they were the only one of the three to actually get a medal at last years CCWC's!!!!

And they have a way of getting under Mayfairs skin, didn't they beat Mayfair in Sudbury 2 years a go?

Only Ontario team to medal last year was Mayfair - Silver in the 200M

Perhaps PDBC got a Bronze?

PDBC grabbed a bronze in the 200m last summer at CCWC:

38 #038 Premier Mixed 200m
1 4 FCRCC CAN 45.787
2 2 OHDBC Mayfair Predators CAN 46.699
3 5 PDBC Elite CAN 46.987
4 3 Sony G&G Dragons CAN 47.064
5 1 Kurpfalz GER 47.168

"My money is on G&G. For some reason I feel they are going to pull this one off. My perdiction, G&G leads the whole race and just holds off Mayfair."

You probably haven't watched these two crews race. Mayfair is faster off the line and more explosive. G&G is really good at smooth conistant power throughout the race.

Gotta say one thing, from the 200M finish last year at CCWC, Canadian crews know how to do is get the hell out of the gate.

Piranhas are racing here and in Calgary?

they'll lose at both.

Well at least they're trying and you'll never know until it is done. One thing we do know is that "Ches" is an *******.

The race schedule is up

Premiere mixed

200m
RACE 1
8:00 AM
Lane
1
2 RBC Royal Dragons
3 G&G Dragons
4 SCC Team Chiropractic
5 Piranhas Dragon Boat Club

RACE 2
8:12 AM
1
2 20 Paddlers
3 OHDBC Mayfair Predators
4 PDBC
5 OHDBC Hammerheads

Who's the "20 Paddlers" team? Never heard of them. Is it a concoction of a number of teams/paddlers banding together?

The "20 paddlers" consist of all of the "Anonymous" posters of this forum. (We have lots of spares)

I am part of the team.

If you do not like the Anonymous poster on this forum, please tell us on Saturday!

Cheers

Isn't 20 paddlers the crew that was given a super cheap entry to just come out and race so there would have to be two heats for premier?

Amazed they'd show up without a drummer and cox!!!

Mayfair has stepped it up this year. I've seen them race several times in 2007 and their start is truly awesome. I would be suprised to see them lose at the CCWC in Toronto. Eat Trout looks really strong in the Grandmasters division Open,Mixed and Womens.

good luck to all teams racing on saturday. Who ever gets it, please represent with class.

http://www.gwndragonboat.com/pub/docs/GWN%20Sport%20Regatta%20Schedule_As%20of%20July%2017%20Revised.pdf

Predictions:
Premier Mixed
1. Mayfair
2. G&G
3. Piranhas
4. SCC
5. Hammerheads
6. PDBC
7. RBC
Not sure who 20 Paddlers are so I can’t place them

Mixed
1. Mayfair
2. G&G
3. SCC
4. PDBC
5. Piranhas
6. Hammerheads
7. RBC


Open
1. G&G
2. CSDC
3. PDBC
4. Rip the Fondue
5. Piranhas


Women
1. OHDBC
2. PDBC
3. Stratford
4. Cascades
5. UCC

Mixed
1. G&G (yeah, I said it)
2. Mayfair
3. SCC
4. PDBC
5. Piranhas
6. Hammerheads
7. RBC


Open
1. G&G
2. CSDC
3. PDBC
4. Piranhas
5. Rip the Fondue


Women
1. Cascades
2. OHDBC
3. PDBC
4. Stratford
5. UCC

In light of the questions that have been raised on several threads as to who is this team called "20 Paddlers" and how did they qualify for the Club Crew race-offs, DBC should shed some light.

If they are a legitimate team/club then DBC should say so and indicate what process that was used to qualify their roster for the race-offs.

If they did not follow the same qualifying rules as all the other teams then shame on DBC for allowing this to happen. This is the sort of thing that brings discredit to DBC and makes a mockery of the whole Club Crew event.

Let's hear from you DBC!!!

How about: Let's hear from you 20Paddlers!!!

G&G have many of the previous premier national team paddlers (male and female) on board and are very much MCC oriented. They have also been practicing since Pickering. A bit of a stretch to call them a underdog....

It seems you are concerned with the protocol and process, but have you stopped to think that your public hand-wringing may be a little...misplaced?

Perhaps the team is just filler? Someone else suggested they were given the chance to participate in order to fill a second heat. That sounds reasonable to me.

Are you concerned that they're going to win? Is there something that YOU will lose as a result of their participation?


To summerize the above: take a chill pill, dude.

Any team can do this regatta. But only qualified teams are eligible to win the CCWC entry. They may just be doing this a) for fun or b) as a roster qualifier for Calgary.

I think any team can do it, provided they are a DBC crew....otherwise they'd have to wear PFDs, since only DBC-registered crews can go without PFDs.

I wonder what measures will be take if one of the non-sanctioned crews interferes with a sanctioned crew (e.g. collision, wash riding)?

The non-sanctioned crews will be too slow to interfere with the leading sanctioned crews.

Look what happened at the MCC regatta.

What happened?

Wash-riding.

There were no ghost lanes at Missy.

Anyone heard any results yet??

yep - mayfair won. Edged out G&G. Congratulations and good luck in Penang.

Here all these clubs from TO area getting excited and racing off to go to Malaysia .Sounds to me like this will again be another National Team let down.The team that qualified probably won't go once they realize the cost which will be $4000+ per crew member .The flights to Penang alone are over $2000 from TO and for the western teams its around $1600 .The westies will go since they always seem to fund their own ways but the eastern teams when it comes to having to pay their own way usually bow out ......why enter when you know you probably won't go ?

you are a dumb a$$

the problem with having an argument with someone over the forum on a weekend is the lag time between responses. you only check email every so often, check your favourite websites <cough>porn!<cough> and log onto the forum to see who's slagging who.

so currently we have:

6:35pm Anon1
"opinionated nonsense"

8:01pm Anon2
"senseless namecalling rebuttle"

11:43pm Anon1 (watching Star Trek 2)
"so's your mother"

2:37am Anon2 (back from bar)
"yeah, so I jush got off yer mother, heh heh ehhh"

and so on....

There were only three teams that competed out there today. Mayfair and the G&G's were strong and Chiro held their own. They were in everyones face all afternoon. Congrats to our local Mayfair for winning both the 200m and the 500m. With a stacked team like that... it should have been a cake walk however I dont think they were expecting the two others to explode like that in the finals... Good job all teams for a good afternoon of racing.

It will be interesting to see if Mayfair actaully goes to Penang.
The majority of the crew will be in Australia this fall.
Having spent upwards of $4,000, will they be willing to commit
another $4,000 next year.
My bets on Chiro's going as G&G will turn it down.
Jim just did this for kicks and to keep his Senior crew
ready to kick some ass against the Chinese.

I love sh!t like this:

"With a stacked team like that... it should have been a cake walk however I dont think they were expecting the two others to explode like that in the finals..."

Are you trying to make victory seem like defeat, or defeat seem like victory?

Personally I find the "they won, but they should have won by more" tone to be pretty weak.

They won, and in the end that is all that counts.

Both G&G and Mayfair-less Predators were stacked.
But, training counts. Simple.
No-one remembers who came second after a few years,
it only matters who crossed the line first.

mayfair is a true "club crew" they have the same team out every mondays and wednesdays at outer harbour rain or shine practicing as a team. Today they got what the truly deserved. They worked hard for it and proved that they are damn near close, if not, the best club crew in at least this side of canada.(probably the world for that matter but they will decide that next year in penang. I can say for sure as I am close freinds with one of the paddlers, and with jim, that they are going to be in attendance in penang. Why else would they work so hard)

Today was a good day to be a dboater!!!

who won in the senior and junior divisions?

i sense some sour grapes out here.

Anyways congratulations to all paddlers.

Mayfair, a well deserved win, G&G and Chiro, a few inches away. Any of those three crews would have represented our country well in Penang.

complete results anyone?

Congrats to all the teams who raced yesterday. It was a spectacular day. I want to take 10 seconds to thank GWN for a very well run event.

Where are the results???

Seniors?

Jumiors???

Mayfair-less, G&G, Scotia...etc.
Are not "club crews" - they are teams.
If they were "true" club crews then they would be able to pick
from several teams at THEIR club. No of us do. We form a team of
approx 24 paddlers and call it a Club Crew because we train twice a week.

Canoe Clubs at the paddling level form the only true club crew system.
We can almost breath a sigh that they do not enter DB.

Mayfair are truly untouchable. No question.
But, as previous paddlers have pointed out it is not luck
but hard training that go them there. They also have the benefit
of having a crew made up of 8 women that are present or former
national team members and the majority of men that are quality
additions - a monkey could have steered them down the course
yesterday..

Typical of a canoe athlete to compare dragon boat to their sport jus because it uses a paddle. Dragon Boat is not structured like canoe club for many good reasons. Might as well compare canoe to syncronized swimming where there are individuals and teams that compete. Dragon boat is a team sport.

So who won the Premier Open Division?

G&G dropped out after their first 200m qualifier. So the Seniors then won the remaining races. But after the last race, Rip the Fondue was the team that was cheering the most?

I'm guessing the Seniors weren't really in the Premier Open division, and they just threw them into that race so that they didn't have to paddle down the course by themselves?

So refer to it as the Team Championships, with coaches
selectively recruiting.

Farintosh seems to have gone against all the hype he
has placed on building home grown atheltes and simply
dropped in the paddlers he needed.

Great way to build the sport.

"But after the last race, Rip the Fondue was the team that was cheering the most? "

Whatever. If you were there to see that then you know you won. Why don't you just post it that way instead of feigning ignorance?

Fairport won a junior spot (not sure which one). CSDC I believe swept all they entered and OHDBC women took the women's spot

a monkey could have steered them down the course
yesterday

Hasn't Mayfair had a stupid looking money has a coach and steersman for years now?

I would really like to know how many teams actually had homegrown club talent represent them yesterday. There were many teams in which I noticed other paddlers in. Nice way to kill the club system by stacking National "premier" paddlers on them. What is this so called sport coming to. Isn't that the reason why the Worlds and Club crews are every other year?

Having spoke to a few of the Mayfair paddlers myself, I can tell you that it is HIGHLY unlikely any of them will be going to Penang next year. I've even heard Jimmy skirt around the issue and won't even describe it as a "twinkle in his eye"

to make sense of this.

Yes, the Senior's team crossed the line first in all 4 races (200m and 500m) in the Open division. And yes, they were registered as a "senior" team not an open team, so it's my understanding that Fondue earned the Open spot for Malaysia. Having said that I have to tip my hat to the senior men, their coach and steerer. Impressive win, and a class act all the way. Well done indeed.

As for the posts on "stacking", having an elite representation is as important as a broad grass roots/recreational/feeder system to the continued success of any sport. Soccer being the quintessential example.

About the club comment, yes it would be great to have a club consisting of numerous teams, with a clubhouse, and all the amenities. And then to be a coach in that organization that could pick and choose the cream of the crop for a "club" team. Having said that, I doubt that many (if any) other paddlers out of the OHDBC could crack the Mayfair team, so perhaps by default Mayfair is truly a Club Crew.

Times

Mayfair and G&G in the 1:55 range, Chiro around 1:56, Pickering at 2:01

Slight side wind

Anyone in that 1:55 and 1:56 range would medal at the worlds

crack the Mayfair crew ?
That I doubt in a big way...the only other crew would be the Hammerheads.

Club Crew involement is not about producing a race-off crew for one
year - and even the club crew event. It is about forming a crew that
remains intact for several years rather than looking at whole scale changes.

Mayfair for all their ability which is un-questioned, how many of their
paddlers were on board the crew last year ?
As far as the women - it look like as many as six were changed.
The men added 4.
How many other crews could withstand a turnover of ten crew members
and still compete let alone win every race they enter.

official times?

The definition of club crew continues to be the most boring debate out there. If a crew meets the roster requirements laid down by DBC they are a club crew. Case closed. It gets tiring hearing indignant anonymous posters on this forum complain that their own interpretation of what constitutes a club crew is not used.

From the perspective of a casual observer it seems to me that there has been a lot of grass roots development in a crew like, for example, Mayfair. Who cares if they drop in a few older, 40+, sprint canoe athletes and incorporate them into the crew over a couple of years. Good for them. That is smart not only from the perspective of immediately improving your crew but also for helping your "grass roots" athletes in the boat develop.

People on this forum should stop complaining about the composition of other crews and get busy building/training their crews intelligently and comprehensively instead if they want to compete at this level.

Grass roots development in Mayfair...that was five years ago.
Now we have hired guns.

The answer is that Mayfair lost a lot of the grass roots members
over the past two/three years.
Jim, has slowly and selectively added Senior Crew members to "bolster"
the crew rather than add members from the Warriors crew.
This year it was wholesale changes to the womens dept.
Are they still a "Mayfair" crew...only by name - the same
as MCC or the IMPS, or any othr crew.
If a coach can add selectively - good luck to them.
But, it does nothing to develop the sport other than say
this is how you win events.

The Chiro team - now that is a Club Crew.

I appreciate your opinion, but I think it's wrong to assume too many things without questioning them.

You find the club crew debate boring, but it's at the very heart of things over the last 6 years in dragon boat racing.

What is a "club crew"?

On one extreme you can define it as any 20 guys or girls that jump into a boat on any given weekend. No restrictions, no requirements, no qualifications. Just jump in and paddle, anything goes.

On the other side you have a hard line definition that would require a stable crew over a number of years with little, if any, changeover. A consistent identity, a consistent roster, a provable long term history of racing.

Somewhere in the middle there are allowances for changeover, some validation of status through history or participation, etc. But where do we draw the line?

"If a crew meets the roster requirements laid down by DBC they are a club crew."

Okay, DBC decides the rules, but these rules are not set in stone. They could go the loosy-goosy anything goes route, or they could go the hard-line route.

We can influence DBC about how they set up these rules. If we care enough to do something about it.

Some of us might, others don't really care all that much. Some of us might decide to care a little too late to do anything about it. I think that includes a lot of us.

One thing that seems clear to me, JUST MY OPINION, is that the whole definition of club crews as it stands is a poor fit for the current dragon boat paddling community. So we try to overlay a definition that doesn't quite fit, and this forces teams to play a bizarre game. We create "clubs" in order to meet requirements, whether or not the clubs make any sense in the real world, or compared to the regular season of competition. Some of these "clubs" wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the need to meet club crew definitions.

There is a LOT more that could be said in this debate, but maybe some of you like Geoff find it "boring", so I'll leave off for now.

All teams lose members over time. At the end of the club crew championships last year, and after a win at the GWN festival, some long time Mayfair members opted to retire. One (a grandmother) opted to spend more time with her grandchild. Two others decided to try out masters flatwater paddling. A couple have refocused on outrigger.

Contrary to the "oracle", 5 of the women on this year's team also raced with Mayfair last year... not quite a wholesale change.

There were 3 new men... one from the Mayfair Warriors, and 2 from Jim's senior men's team.

Anyone is welcome to come and run the Riverdale hills in the fall, lift weights at Variety Village or the Mayfair club, and run Jim' "7 hills of the beaches'" in the winter and early spring.

Good team who have vacancies catch the interest of good paddlers.

Re the comment "The Chiro team - now that is a Club Crew."

I noticed a Collingwood paddler, 2 Hanalei paddlers, and a North Bay Canoe Club flatwater paddler in the Chiro boat yesterday... tell me again your definition of a true "Club Crew"?

I feel like everyone out here is kind of jumping all over mayfair. I don't think they have done anything wrong. Yes the crew has changed over the years, but name one team that hasn't? You think the chiro team is the same team that won at GWN 2 years ago? If the same paddlers who joined mayfair over the past 2 years wanted to join chiro, would they have been turned away? I highly doubt it.

"I feel like everyone out here is kind of jumping all over mayfair."
Starting with anon 2:34pm, it obviously is personal...sad, to say the least.
Interesting that there is no discussion of how G&G builds their club team....

Everyone jumps all over crews that win.
Mayfair has had their critics in the past and will obviously continue
to do so in the future.

Anon 10:59 PM
Thanks for the update from the Mayfair perpsective.
We all know who was in the boat yesterday - and you are way off
on your own numbers.

...in the Open, Women's, and Mixed divisions, what does that say about the non-Senior teams that lost to them??? Are all the other teams that weak?

No disrespect to the Senior team that comoteted on Saturday, btw. That Senior team is a kick ass team. But how on earth do they beat EVERY club of seemingly buff, experienced, and YOUNGER paddlers? Amazing. The team that celebrated wildly after finishing second in the Premier final was laughable. Yeah, you "won" a bid. But you got beat by some men who are old enough to be your fathers!

OK Anon 11:43 - Tell me how the prior posting detailing Mayfair turnover is wrong.

In fact, the detail was correct. Turnover with this crew has been usual - a few a year.

You are implying wholesale change to make this crew win.

You are wrong and trying to bring down a very good crew's accomplishments.

21 and 0 for 2007 - not bad.

This thread has lost it's way. We want to know results, not cry and try to make excuses why teams won or lost.

This was a race off to represent "Canada" in Malaysia next year. We should want to send the best possible crew we have to do that. Ofcourse teams are going to recruit the best paddlers they can find to do this...you would be stupid not to.

It was awesome watching Mayfair and G&G going head to head. Both these crews will and would have represented our country well.

Way to go teams!

Who has actual times & full results?

Any team that put a time under 1:57 would represent Canada well. All three Mayfair, G&G and Chiro would definetly place at the worlds with teams and times like that. All this bickering about stacking... those three teams proved that they are ahead of the pack and have stepped it up another level. Congrats to Mayfair for their wins and for G&G and Chiro for pushing them. Without fierce competition you wouldn't develop winners.

I would also say that all the premier mixed teams showed great class and sportsmanship after the final at the docks...wonderful to see.

"Since the Seniors actually won every race... July 23 2007, 12:05 AM
...in the Open, Women's, and Mixed divisions, what does that say about the non-Senior teams that lost to them??? Are all the other teams that weak?

No disrespect to the Senior team that comoteted on Saturday, btw. That Senior team is a kick ass team. But how on earth do they beat EVERY club of seemingly buff, experienced, and YOUNGER paddlers? Amazing. The team that celebrated wildly after finishing second in the Premier final was laughable. Yeah, you "won" a bid. But you got beat by some men who are old enough to be your fathers! "

What's wrong with beng beat by someone better then you? Does age really matter? What are you really trying to say?

interesting reading this thread.. is the reason people are not jumping on G&G because they didn"t get a berth?

Offical results are posted:

http://www.gwndragonboat.com/pub/docs/GWN%20Sport%20Regatta%20Schedule_Final%20Results.pdf

"What's wrong with beng beat by someone better then you? Does age really matter? What are you really trying to say?"

It's funny reading all these congratulatory comments about the "winners" who really came in 2nd place. Has anyone considered those alleged "winenrs" aren't that good if a Senior team can beat them? Age DOES matter -- that's why there is a Senior division. Senior teams should not be beating Premier teams in a qualifier. Unless they don't give themselves enough credit, that Senior team is competing in the Senior division in Malaysia because they know that they won't be in medal contention in the Premier division. So how on earth can anyone posting here expect any Premier team that lost to the Seniors on Saturday to compete well in Malaysia?

Say what you like about G&G, the bottom line is they have raised the bar and pushed true DB teams to perform...and hats off to them and all the other crews who greeted Mayfair at the docks - it was a class act moment in a sport that is all too often about sniping.

Great day of racing, well run event.

"It's funny reading all these congratulatory comments about the "winners" who really came in 2nd place. Has anyone considered those alleged "winenrs" aren't that good if a Senior team can beat them? Age DOES matter -- that's why there is a Senior division. Senior teams should not be beating Premier teams in a qualifier. Unless they don't give themselves enough credit, that Senior team is competing in the Senior division in Malaysia because they know that they won't be in medal contention in the Premier division. So how on earth can anyone posting here expect any Premier team that lost to the Seniors on Saturday to compete well in Malaysia?"

Fair enough statement, maybe we don't have enough dedicated and/or talented young'uns, but then again maybe the seniors are really that good.

Why did G&G pull out?

"It's funny reading all these congratulatory comments about the "winners" who really came in 2nd place. Has anyone considered those alleged "winenrs" aren't that good if a Senior team can beat them? Age DOES matter -- that's why there is a Senior division. Senior teams should not be beating Premier teams in a qualifier. Unless they don't give themselves enough credit, that Senior team is competing in the Senior division in Malaysia because they know that they won't be in medal contention in the Premier division. So how on earth can anyone posting here expect any Premier team that lost to the Seniors on Saturday to compete well in Malaysia? "


Well, to start off they probably won't be competing against National teams in Penang, but actual Club Crews.

The SDBC is the Senior NATIONAL team. They compete at the IDBF World Championships, and keep their crew together in off years to compete as a Club Crew. Being a National team gives them drawing power that most Club Crews can only dream about. It's a stacked deck, age be damned.

I think the Seniors better think hard about the idea of representing in the Premiere division. It may just force DBC to think aboout the rules that allow a National team to compete as a Club Crew, even if it is a Senior team. At the Premiere level they made up the 2PP rule to try to deal with just that circumstance, but the senior division was not included. There is no restriction to Senior National team members on a Club Crew.

Should there be? Maybe not, but if it is their intent to try to race Premiere instead or in addition to the Senior division then maybe the answer is "yes".

And besides, what a crappy thing to do! It's one thing to race and beat the premiere crews here in Canada. Hey, good for you. But why deny another 20+ paddlers the chance to race at a Club Crew World Championship regatta when you could race in your own division?

But much of this is just rumour at this point. Anyone from SDBC care to comment?

As a long time mayfair paddler, returning to the dock to be appaluded by G&G paddlers was a very special moment - truly a classy classy gesture that all mayfair paddlers appreciated!

good races for sure on sat!
G&G and senior and mayfair put on a great show!
yes senior was not regsiter under the mens team, they enter as an exhibition race
they did win all 200 and 5oom races, however don't discredit the other mens team as they did a good job regarding to times

rip the fondu pull a 1.57 and 1.56 for their 500m, which is really impressive, as they lost only by a dragon head... not even..

compare to the top times in the events, as mention above previously
any team that can pull a 1.56 or 1.57 have a good rating to represent canada, plus all the teams have now till next yr to work on their skill to improve!

good jobs to all the team!

G&G pulled out of the Men's race to focus on the Mixed races.
They only raced the 200 heat and that was a joke, they were all sitting up right and looking around during the race.

Seniors did not beat any premier teams. That seniors team will compete at worlds and should beat regular club teams. They did not beat a premier team that is also at world level. People need to realize there is a clear difference between premier / national teams and teams that train to race at the Island or GWN.

"The SDBC is the Senior NATIONAL team. They compete at the IDBF World Championships, and keep their crew together in off years to compete as a Club Crew. Being a National team gives them drawing power that most Club Crews can only dream about. It's a stacked deck, age be damned.

I think the Seniors better think hard about the idea of representing in the Premiere division. It may just force DBC to think aboout the rules that allow a National team to compete as a Club Crew, even if it is a Senior team."

There is no "National" team in Canada because there is no National Program.
Rather than establishing a national program, DBC's approach is to solicit applications from "Program Directors" (read club crew coaches or captains)to form the National Team. If more than one group applies then there is a race-off. Take a look at last year's National Team race-off participants:

(Partial List)
Eat Trout
False Creek
Outer HArbour
WRCC
PDBC
Toronto MAsters
CSDBC

So if DBC's approach is to have a club crew represent Canada at the IDBF Worlds, it is only natural to have these same club crews also compete to represent at CCWC.

Also because of this approach they had to have a good team "before" becoming the so called national team thus negating your comment about drawing power.

By the way
Outer Harbour is also representing in the Senior Div and the qualified above the SDBC

Well then blame G&G for not giving their all for having chance to represent. But to to knock the "second best" open team because of the other teams is pretty lame.

agreed to above comment

there are obvious distinction between national and premiere teams
regards to training and skill level

all teams who compete in cccwc are great teams and are top teams and should be be discredit for their skill and strenght. going there for the spot for 2008 representing canada, all the above teams have the power and and speed to compete for it.

as i mention above, the differences in times when compared, are all very close

"rip the fondu pull a 1.57 and 1.56 for their 500m, which is really impressive, as they lost only by a dragon head... not even..

compare to the top times in the events, as mention above previously
any team that can pull a 1.56 or 1.57 have a good rating to represent canada, plus all the teams have now till next yr to work on their skill to improve!
"

How much you want to bet that "racer" is on fondu?

i am not a fondu, i am on a team that race against them.
overall we all race a good race, everyone including my team put out all the effort to get the # 1 spot

don't hate and start up **** just because i comment on other teams result

everyone did great on sat

"What's wrong with beng beat by someone better then you? Does age really matter? What are you really trying to say?"

It's funny reading all these congratulatory comments about the "winners" who really came in 2nd place. Has anyone considered those alleged "winenrs" aren't that good if a Senior team can beat them? Age DOES matter -- that's why there is a Senior division. Senior teams should not be beating Premier teams in a qualifier. Unless they don't give themselves enough credit, that Senior team is competing in the Senior division in Malaysia because they know that they won't be in medal contention in the Premier division. So how on earth can anyone posting here expect any Premier team that lost to the Seniors on Saturday to compete well in Malaysia?

Why don't you tell us how you really feel. Don't you realize when you say something like this you are really discreting all of the hard work that the seniors have put into preparing for the raceoff? If you think that there are better more qualified premier men out there, then why didn't you put a legitimate team together to race off against the other teams that raced that day?

Don't make me ask again...what are your true motives?

Wow, this thread is really getting stupid.

Let's change topics shall we?

I thought Mike & company did a great job with the course. Moving it closer to the shore seemed to help with the lane 5 lane bias.

One thing I would recommend is, widen the lanes a little. Even with the ghost lanes, there was still wash riding.

Sounds to me like G&G should be considering Calgary if they want to get back in. 2 spots to awarded there and the western rep

Teams heading for Calgary so far :

FCRCC B
FC Masters
Imps
Piranna's
Gorging Dragons
Pacific Reach

Two problems for G&G going to Calgary.
1) Schedule conflicts with CKC nationals for most of their team
2) Money

Isn't there a berth up for grabs there at the Quebec Cup in September?

"Isn't there a berth up for grabs there at the Quebec Cup in September?"

Nope.

New rules this year. You can only race off in your own region, or at the National Championships.

Go ahead and ponder why this was changed.

This qualifier won't be easy. You are going to have to race the good Montreal crews and of course the Dragon Beasts.

very well run festival, efficient and friendly staff. Times were posted very slowly though, only complaint. Other then that, all was well.

I thought the starter did an excellent job. Very calm and professional. It seemed like the steerspeople took her instructions very seriously, which doesn't often happen at other festivals!

GWN runs solid festivals. Start to finish.

This is no slight on the officiating, but it is much easier to run a regatta when all the crews are professional about it and know what they are doing.

All in all, it ran like clockwork

"I thought the starter did an excellent job. Very calm and professional. It seemed like the steerspeople took her instructions very seriously, which doesn't often happen at other festivals!"

Thats great to hear, but in all honesty I would've expected that from all crews at this level. You really can't compare race-off for CCWC berths vs the local community festival.

Go ahead and ponder why this was changed.

Because G&G went to Quebec to win CC berth for last year?

Oh and by the way, for CC's you represent your CLUB not your country. The World Championships is representing CANADA.

So Rip the Fondue is representing their club if they go to Malaysia. Why is it them anyhow? Who are they?

Rip the Fondue is a mixture of Riptide and Hydrophobic. On race day they also added a few Jetstart, Shogun and some Uni guys. Looks like Outer Harbour cleaned up at the raceoff.

20 paddlers was supposed to be a group of 20 people from various teams as a throw together at the last moment, UCC, Rip the Fondue etc then they bailed last minute because of schedule conflicts. awww.

They probably pulled to focus on the Open crew. Good move since their competition each had 8 races that day versus their 4.

Good move???...they got cleaned in the 200...the sitting up and looking around was their shocked reaction after losing the race...the strategy to conserve their energy didn't pay off too well either as they lost the 500 as well...Let's make sure the Seniors get no credit for winning all their races, having the fastest time of the day and making the open guys look bad because none of us like to think about losing to old people...

Ok buddy. Relax. The seniors won. Good for them. The point is to qualify not to win. Fondue was going for the qualification and that's what the other three teams were there for too. I and likely the didn't give a sh!t about where the seniors placed. SO SHUT UP ALREADY!

I'd like to beat you with my paddle

http://www.gwndragonboat.com/pub/docs/CRRBulletinApril22.pdf

GWN Sport Regatta awards will be presented to all winners in each racing class in each racing distance.

I left early, did this happen?

FYI
The team is made up of Hydrophobic, Jetstart, and UCC.

Just causing some @#$% but is RIP the fondue actually part of OHDBC?

what awards?? I definitely didn't see anything...

To the comment about the seniors.....

All the open teams new that they were not racing against the seniors in the open so they did not worry about them in any of the races???

Why would they? If G&G lolly'd there way down the 200m that is there problem. The lost to Mayfair in the 200m so they supposedly pulled out of the open to focus on the Grandmasters....some of those hired guns from all over Canada were signed up to race 16 races....sure they are great paddlers but they do not necessarily make the best team and were shut down all day except for ET.

Anyone who races off for a spot at least has the balls to try which obviously confirms why some losers on here post emails while others paddle hard to try to represent this great team sport for Canada. I think anyone who wins and goes, will do there best to race hard and represent.

If you look at all the times and compare them to generally good racing times we are doing alright and in a years time we will present a strong contingency in Malaysia.

Remember in most country Club Crew is the National team in Canada we are still confused on what kind of structure we want ??

Any good on Mayfair, Fairport/PDBC/Can Seniors/RTF and all the other teams who will push hard in 2008

"Any good on Mayfair, Fairport/PDBC/Can Seniors/RTF and all the other teams who will push hard in 2008"

I know this is just a forum, but could people please check what they write (at least skim) to make sure that the general public can figure out what you are trying to write without using the Rosetta stone.

Re: G&G.
They lollied in some heats because the heats were meaningless , you raced the same teams in the finals.
G&G was not concentrating on GrandMasters but Premier mixed and Senior mixed. The Grand Masters , Trout , didn't need any help.

whats a Rosetta stone?

A - You really should learn how to spell, and to write in a coherent manner.

B - Before going on a rampage, make sure that your post is decipherable... because yours is really quite irrelevant now.

C - Good luck next time.

Please come again...

"FYI
The team is made up of Hydrophobic, Jetstart, and UCC."

Technically, not quite correct

what does "technically not quite correct" mean ?

they are or they arn't... what is it?

still waiting for an answer about the Rosetta stone...

anyone...?

You're kidding me about the rosetta stone? right?

It is only one of the biggest archaeological find ever. it was a stone that translated egyptian hieroglyphics into greek (I believe, if not some other western language) thus allowing scholars to decipher all of those paintings in ancient egyptian tombs and such

thank-you Mr. Muff and I was also making a point about how some of these posts are difficult to decipher, even the one that claims to be for me (general public)...see 8:38

"General Public" usually has a post secondary education.

http://www41.statcan.ca/1821/ceb1821_000_e.htm

From 1991 to 2001, the number of students who obtained a postsecondary diploma increased substantially. The proportion of persons aged 25 and over with a university degree expanded from 15% to 20%. The percentage of college graduates grew from 12% to 16%, whereas the proportion of trade school graduates remained stable at 12%.

Most people don't go on to post-secondary school.

and your point is?

The Rosetta Stone was the key that unlocked the mysteries of Egyptian hieroglyphics. Napoleon's troops discovered it in 1799 near the seaside town of Rosetta in lower Egypt, and it eventually made its way into the British Museum in London where it resides today. It is a slab of black basalt dating from 196 BC. inscribed by the ancient Egyptians with a royal decree praising their king Ptolemy V. The inscription is written on the stone three times, once in hieroglyphic, once in demotic, and once in Greek. Thomas Young, a British physicist, and Jean Francois Champollion, a French Egyptologist, collaborated to decipher the hieroglyphic and demotic texts by comparing them with the known Greek text. From this meager starting point a generation of Egyptologists eventually managed to read most everything that remains of the Egyptians' ancient writings.

but what if something was "lost in translation", afterall its all greek to me

For sure that person needed some coffee or something before writing that email.
Wow I understood what they were saying but I luckily my Dad has this stone that helps to translate dragonboatish into Greek.

Lucky for me I live on the Danforth where I can have it translated into Chinglish.

I think what was being said was "Bite my butt, I did dragonboat chicks and bring it on cause Canada rocks"

Okay, might as well close this thread. Discussion on the original topic has degenerated into the usual useless babel. (or is it babble?)

Ironci that the Waterloo thread lasted MUCH longer.

"New rules this year. You can only race off in your own region, or at the National Championships.

Go ahead and ponder why this was changed."

And what are your theories?

How else are they going to get people to attend this 'national championship'? Changing the rules for qualification was the best and easiest way to force teams to consider racing here.

that that rosetta stone and shove it up where the sun don't shine

Here's the next rule change coming...and you can ponder how this would have effected Club Crews this year.

If the past 2pp rule had been inforced at the Race-off.
Mayfair would have lost 2 women off their current roster.

If they add the Senior Level paddler to the 2pp rule.
Mayfair would have lost 8 male paddlers and two women from their current roster.

So the Mayfair/Club/Team first of all would have had a tough time finding
a crew for this year. yah yah we all know every paddler wants to be on your
crew, but Farintosh is selective, and didn't look at the current rules this year ?

This rule change would also have effected CSDBC as well.

Time to bring the rule book out IDBF.
Time for real Club Crews.

if this is the case then it would have affected G&G as well, wouldn't have

My recolection at last years agm was that dbc would follow the idbf lead on pp rules. When idbf didn't do anything at ccwc dbc scrapped the old rule.

Even more interesting, why is DBC hosting National Championships on the same weekend as Canoe Kayak Canada!!!!!

for exactly the reason your thinking ,to level the playing field !

That's right - DBC aspires to mediocrity on the racecourses of the world.