The true rankings are the most "correct" analysis of rankings, to be sure, but I miss the favoritism, self-interest and regionalism of the power rankings...ah, those were the days.

So in the interest of some spirited discussion,here is my top ten:
1) FCRCC
2) Events Alive
3) Mayfair
4) G&G
5) Beasts
6) CSDBC
7) Gorging Dragons
8) Sudbury Chiro
9) Verdun
10) Hydrophobic

Comments?

I wouldn't put Events Alive on there. They only race together for one regatta. I would rank Mayfair a bit higher and include the Imps.

No - keep Events Alive there, only raced once, but who cares, they were pretty damn good.

I would bump them down a bit - definately behind Mayfair, and maybe behind G&G.

I agree got to keep FCRCC up there based on their performance at the CCWC's last year. I think Mayfair would give them a good run though - guess we will find out on Malaysia.

I would not have Hydrophobic in the top ten though. They are a great crew, have shown definate improvement, but not winning in Waterloo is a major strike against them. (yeah, yeah, yeah the lane bias played a factor but...)


1) FCRCC
2) Mayfair
3) Events Alive
4) G&G
5) CSDBC
6) Beasts
7) Chiro
8) Imps
9) Scotia Rouge
10) Verdun

Events Alive was full of current flat water national teamers - Angus Mortimer who won the gold at Pam Games, Richard Dalton, Andrew and Ben Russell, Ryan Cochrane, Matt Raymond, Marc Singer, Brady Reardon, Rhys Hill. The only non current National teamers Scott Seaby and Adrian Richardson are both very good dragon boat paddlers and ex flatties. The women were similarly strong.

In Ottawa, the top teams race like 4 times to get to the final so everyone is trading bodies, holding back, etc. You can only judge by the final.

In the final Events Alive went 1:58 on a certified course in a moderate to strong headwind. The Beasts were at most a foot behind. That's easily 1:55 in a moderate tail wind - similar to Mayfair's very strong performance at Marilyn Bell Park in the qualifier.

Both Events Alive and the Beasts are better than G&G. Both teams would give Mayfair a good run.
You can't put CSDB team ahead of the Beasts, who beat them clearly head to head in the final. CSDB only stayed as close as they did because they were on the "V" wash between EA and the Beasts - in Ottawa - which has close lanes.

Now this is what the forum should be! I love this. My top ten;

FCRCC
Mayfair
Events Alive (who would never race anywhere but Ottawa)
Beasts
G&G
CSDBC
Gorgin
Sudbury
Scotia Beach
Imperial Dragons

Here's my thoughts on the top 10.

1. False Creek RCC
2. Mayfair (would love to see these top two teams race each other, FCRCC was better last year at CCWC's but Mayfair is way better this year)
3. G&G Draggons (full of National team paddlers)
4. Dragon Beasts (would be great if they ventured to a central ontario regatta, like GWN or Pickering to see how they stack up to Mayfair and G&G)
5. Canadian Senior DBC (not tearing things up like last year, but still very good)
6. Sudbury Chiro (have been great this year)
7. Imps (Veteran crew has stepped it up this year)
8. Hydros (great showing at the Island)
9. Verdun (fast as usually)
10. Scotia Rouge (looked good at the island, and did well in Hong Kong)


*didn't include Events Alive because in my opinion you have to paddle in more than one regatta to be a crew

I think Scotia Rouge is ahead of Hydro...look at head to head results.

yes, you have hydrophobic ranked too high. I think Verdun and Scotia Rouge are better. You think either one of those crews would have lost to new college in Waterloo? No way.

I think if you include the Dragon Beasts, you have to include Events Alive - and Philly.

Tier I

1. False Creek
2. Mayfair
3. Events Alive
4. Philly
5. The Beasts
6. G&G
7. CSDBC
8. Chiro
9. Scotia Rouge
10. Verdun
11. Imps

Among Tier II

Hydro, Big fish, pirinhas, wongs, eat trout, hanalei, collingwood, 3r, BMO Groupe Financier, Mofo's, UCC

Among Tier III

Jetstart, Chaos, Mojos, Blades, TailGaters (although it is some strange beast made up of the Jetstart, Chaos, Mojos and Blades so it they dont really count), Wahoos, Komodos, Subdury Phoenix, New College, UC.

FCRCC
Beasts
Gorgin
Events Alive
Mayfair
G&G
CSDBC
Sudbury
Verdun
Scotia Beach

mayfair 5th? haha

Now, now 12:02...let's give 10:08 a chance to explain their order.
Another question, why are the Beasts ahead of Events Alive, when the only time they raced each other, Events Alive won?

It would be interesting to see FCRCC and Mayfair meet again .Mayfair may be stronger this year but so is False Creek.Maybe you all didn't watch the video of the Alcan win ,that I saw, regardless it would be a good race but my money would be on FCRCC .

Mayfair has what ?,maybe 12-15 of the seniors on the team ? Not really a pure Mayfair team by the sounds of it .

False Creek has maybe 16-18 of the premier national team on their squad...not a true FC club team...
Good paddlers have to paddle somewhere, why should Mayfair be any different?

Chiro beat CSDBC in Toronto in both the 200 and 500. I would now put them ahead of CSDBC

FCRCC
Beasts'The Beast racing in their backyard'
Gorgin
Events Alive
Mayfair
G&G
CSDBC
Sudbury
Verdun
Scotia Beach

All these great teams should race at the Quebec Cup.

All these teams should be raceing in the Que Cup?

I guess that's the only way to get some quality racing in Quebece - import crews from other provinces.

Oh what a couple of years can do.

Was that my outside voice?

FCRCC
Mayfair
Beasts'The Beast racing in their backyard'
Events Alive
G&G
Gorgin
CSDBC
Sudbury
Verdun
Scotia Beach

Gorging was a little too high. Look for verdun to keep climbing. After a few years of jockeying following the fall of the wongs all of the elite in mtl seem to have settled now on verdun. I'm sure the funding they get from the city helps...

I have to agree with the last post. Look for Verdun to dominate in 2009. 2009 is the year of Verdun. So it has been written. So it shall come to pass.

Ya OK frenchy 2009 will still be in the era of the Mayfair not Verdun

Quebec wil be the dominant DB force in Canada thanks to Verdun in 2009. You Toronto English types can go boil your bottoms. You empty headed animal food trough wipers.

Yes, stupid English. We fart in your general direction.

Mayfair is by far the best crew in canada! end of story.
Watching every one of their races this year, they always know how to finish. No matter how close any of their races were at the finish this year, they always found a way to get the job done. This calm, collected, race presence in the crunch is what sets this team apart from every other in Canada, and probably the world!! You will all see the results at next years CC's in penang.

The reason... Canada's Top coach, Jim Farintosh. This crew puts their unquestioning faith in whatever Jim asks of them, and the results speak for themself!!

Ok Mayfair paddler. But have you seen everyone else? Have you seen FCCC, the Dragon Beasts, etc. Why don't you guys get on a plane like those crews do and go race False Creek in Vancouver, or go race the Beasts in Halifax. Go travel, beat them at home, and then say you are the best - after you've proven it.

Lol! The Beasts were not that far ahead of the Seniors, not to mention being beat by Events Alive.

Egos aside, Mayfair is clearly a faster crew than the Beasts.

FCCP or possibly a pulled together MCC crew are the only ones who would likely be able to touch Mayfair.

actually I am not a mayfair paddler. But I may have bias as I do paddle out of the same club as them... But lets not forget what happens when you "ass-ume" I am a predator...

FCRCC does not have any premier paddlers that I know of on that team . After they come back from Australia then you can say they have premier paddlers on board .Head to head FCRCC vs Mayfair ,FCRCC would win without question . If anyone knows how to finish a race it is FCRCC ,go back and revisit that video in case you may have forgotten

"FCRCC vs Mayfair ,FCRCC would win without question"

Why are so many people questioning it then? Do you mean that you think FCRCC would win - because ....?

1. FCRCC
2. Mayfair
3. G&G Dragons
4. Dragon Beasts
5. Sufbury Chiropractic
6. CSDBC
7. Imps
8. Scotia Rouge
9. Verdun
10. Hydros

5. Sufbury Chiropractic
6. CSDBC

Apparently you didn't make the trip out to Ottawa.

Don't forget Gorging Dragons!

That was one race in Ottawa and it was close, less than a second.In Sudbury the Chiros were second only to Mayfair with an awesome time. I think if they raced head-to-head again Sudbury might take it.

Not one race, the Seniors were well ahead of Chiro all weekend, and only on their wash was it as close as 1 second.

Chiros were close to Mayfair in the first Sudbury race, but then got blown out of the water in the final. Don't use the first race as your indicator, as there was a good chance Mayfair wasn't bringing the full goods. In the final, Mayfair was well ahead.

Imps are **** and are a shadow of their former past. They got asses kicked in Pickering and have gotten worse as the season has progressed. Everyone knows their time has passed. Get a life and why even bother posting anonymously to those who posted them as top 10. So obvious you are all on the forum.

Imps still proved they are a top crew this year - just based on the results puts them in the top 10. Why the personal vendetta?

http://www.dragonboatcanada.org/rankings/2007_Top250.htm

I don't think anyone needs to explain why FCRCC would win .They answered that quetion last year at the World Club Crews and not 1 other canadian team nor any team from around came close .Its not FCRCC that needs to prove anything but rather the rest of you that need to prove to FCRCC that you are better .Until you face FCRCC head to head stop assuming things .

I think we are trying to speculate who is fastest this year, not last - and Mayfair is an improved team.

The crazy part is Gorging Dragons are not too far behind Fccc.

As opposed to their present past? Or maybe their future past? No -their future past would be now -but their former past wouldn't be their past now. Maybe their former past wouldn't include their immediate present past.

Now I get it.

Wait, what was the question?

cue the name callers

"The crazy part is Gorging Dragons are not too far behind Fccc."


I think you need to watch that video again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ3b7PlyiGI

This is to help those of you that apparantly can't seem to remember what a big win is and what a big finish is. Take a close look ,thats is open water folks , not 3 seats,not 6 seats,not 10 seats but an entire boat and some .Did Mayfair win by this big ? Not from what I saw .

If Gorging is about as fast as the Imps, then by the True Rankings:

Imps: 02:03.9
Mayfair: 01:59.1

There's your open water!

Open water against Gorging doesn't mean anything per say.

Did mayfair win by boat lengths as any of their festivals this year, no, but that is not a reflection of how strong they are as a crew, rather how much stronger the competition is here in Ontario.

What was the margin of victory at Sudbury?

It seems to me we were all cocky last year about how good the TO teams were and they would pretty much dominate .Then came the club crews and the TO teams lost .

For some unknown reason it seems people here think FCRCC got slower ,wishful thinking .In fact they are faster then they have ever been I would say .Until you go head to head with the top ranked club team in N America ,who has proven themselves over and over don't be saying that you are better or faster until you make the trip to prove yourself .You have to hand it to FCRCC ,at least they travel to prove themselves .So far we have yet to see any TO team prove themselves other than in their own backyard .

To me it seems that most of you are probably Mayfair paddlers patting themselves on the back .Like I said until you go head to head don't bother comparing yourself or even bettering yourself to the FCRCC team .

"To me it seems that most of you are probably Mayfair paddlers patting themselves on the back ".

You obviously (or probably?) don't know anything about the Mayfair program or the people involved.

I would imagine the people on this forum supporting Mayfair are from the east and the people putting Mayfair down are from the east. Every team has its supporters and detractors. I'm sure it would be the same for FCRCC if this forum was subscribed by more people in the west.

Such is human nature.

I haven't seen a ranking on this thread that hasn't had FCRCC in top spot, so relax...it's ok.

Chiro was about 1 sec behind Mayfair in Toronto in the 500s and 1/2 sec to G&G in the 1:56 time with a side wind. The Calgary raceoff final will put all things in perspective wrt False Creek, Gorging and Pacific reach if they put the same team on the water.

I'm watching this with interest

FCRCC is only sending their B team as mentioned before , the A team is staying in Vancouver to train for the worlds.The B crew is no slouch though and will hold and give a strong performance

It's too bad that DBC power rankings isn't able to include the "Rest of Canada" crews yet.

I would include in the top 10 Gorging Dragons and Calgary Race Club.

Every year, top teams should meet at the Welland race course.

And who's paying to go to Welland every year? The teams from the West, like FCCC and from the east, like the Dragon Beasts, have to pay a lot of money to go to Welland, (or in the Beasts case - Ottawa and Montreal) to race.

Last year, FCCC had to really work hard to get the full crew to CCWC. I imagine the Beasts have less than a full roster when they go to say Ottawa, which is hardly the worlds.

My point is, if you want to compare, go to Vancouver and race FCCC or go to Halifax and race the Beasts, the full roster. For Mayfair to race continually in their back yard and then to brag on the forum that they can beat people - well, back it up.

See you in Vancouver? or Victoria? or Halifax?

PD can we get a ranking of all canadian teams?
I'd like to see that as well.

You might be able to see a Canadian ranking after the Calgary race off... there will be a diversity of team from the east and west.

Calgary won't show true as some of the top teams out west or infact all of Canada are not going ,What you will see is some very good A teams but far from the best that is out there

If you want to race FCRCC is Wellend then I assume the next time we may see them here is the next NTT's .So if you think that your team is all that and then some I suggest you look at who's entered in the NTT's next year and then you may get your chance again to face them head to head . It seems to me ,from past years ,that the majority of the TO teams were/are afraid to face the National team and the only one who entered in the past was FCRCC who took a very good shot at it . So again if you want to race FCRCC watch next year to see if they enter ,my feeling is they will .

you cannot say FCRCC 2008 is our true club, so 2007 should not count....

if FCRCC 07 doesn't have a great crew then they are not number 1 in 2007. Further, NTT should not count towards ranking clubs.

"For Mayfair to race continually in their back yard and then to brag on the forum that they can beat people - well, back it up."

Please read August 7th, 9:49pm and replace quotes .... sigh....

^^^^^^^^^^ I agree . FCRCC is the top crew ,no question ,in my opinion as well and the Mayfair well-wishers are only dreamers at this point and this is a forum for keyboard racers at best . Until Mayfair takes a shot at FCRCC head to head ,as some have suggested ,then they will never replace them as the top crew so continue dreaming and all the best to FCRCC in Australia .You guys have shown what it takes and continue to prove the haters wrong ,keep it up FCRCC !!

"you cannot say FCRCC 2008 is our true club, so 2007 should not count....

if FCRCC 07 doesn't have a great crew then they are not number 1 in 2007 "



Does this make any sense ? The FCRCC 07 crew is the same crew as '06 from what I have seen .

Well, since MCC has never lost to anyone since they kicked tail and took names at NorAm 2003, they're still the best team until FCRCC can coax them out and race again (outside of NTT's of course where pretty much the same team beat FCRCC in several close races in 2006 just before CCWC)

Yawn ...this is getting boring ! Give it up .....

I think the best looking team is definitely the mofos

Debating if Mayfair or False Creek is faster here is pointless. It's all speculation until we meet head to head on the water. Unfortunately the logistics, financial and otherwise, mean that's not going to happen any time soon. I think it's fair to say both teams are fast, respect each other highly, and would love to race each other head to head.

However, we do seem to be winning the forum troll battle with Paddleboy single handedly posting no less than 8 semi-coherent messages on this thread touting the greatness of False Creek while slagging Mayfair. Come on Mayfair, are you really all too busy training to write crap on the forum? Step on up and embarrass yourself like Paddleboy.

Are you sure it was paddleboy, or my alter-ego?

Besides, I've seen you FCCRC guys in practice, and I will have to say, the FCCRC women's team is way better looking that you fugglies

On a serious note, hope to see your top crew race against the other top crews at the nationals or quebec cup sometime soon.

Just to let the readers know, a Mayfair paddler actually went out to Vancouver this past weekend and tried out for the FCRCC premier open entry for Oz. He was accepted into the team and is very excited about the opportunity to paddle with such a great program.

Thought everyone might like a taste of reality...

Well I am surprised & honoured that my team mate has given me credit for alot of the bashing but unfortunately I can't take it all this time because I can't access this site from work ..too bad .

There will always be supporters and non-supporters for both the east and west and Mayfair is a very very good team amongst others out east .As the other FCRCC paddler said ,it would be awesome to go head to head with Mayfair and the team always enjoy a good race ,win or lose ,as long as you gave it all you had ....thats all you can ask for.

As for the Mayfair paddler heading our way to join us ( you know who you are ) ......Welcome to the team ! It was great going head to head with you in the oc1 time controls ....I think you may have been a little overwelmed by what you faced that morning ,lol ,and I think you left having a different perspective . It took alot for you to pay your way out here to try to make the cut knowing there was a chance you may not have .Not alot of paddlers out there would have done that and we all respect you for taking that chance .Anyway I / we look forward to having you join the crew and hopefully together we can all make it happen in Australia .

"However, we do seem to be winning the forum troll battle with Paddleboy single handedly posting no less than 8 semi-coherent messages on this thread touting the greatness of False Creek while slagging Mayfair. Come on Mayfair, are you really all too busy training to write crap on the forum? Step on up and embarrass yourself like Paddleboy. "

That was hilariously awesome

"Just to let the readers know, a Mayfair paddler actually went out to Vancouver this past weekend and tried out for the FCRCC premier open entry for Oz. He was accepted into the team and is very excited about the opportunity to paddle with such a great program."

"Thought everyone might like a taste of reality..."

A little full of yourself and your program eh?

Out of curiosity how many paddlers are part of the False Creek club? I have heard that there is a very large pool of paddlers, of all levels that thier premier crew can select from.

"A little full of yourself and your program eh? "

I have a feeling that was the Mayfair paddler commenting

Maybe it was a Mayfair paddler making the original statement, complimenting False Creek on their program...like the True Paddleboy did for Mayfair in his post...

Correction, it was the FCRCC Paddler at 8:28...you get the point, I trust.

"A little full of yourself and your program eh? "

I have a feeling that was the Mayfair paddler commenting

NOPE