Anyone with Disney predictions? What teams will be there?

if manayunk does not show... TECO. wait.... what the hell, TECO over manayunk regardless.

The bus!

Mickey will kick Donald's a$$!!

I predict no-one gives a f**k.

Manayunk will have a lot more competition at Disney this year. Lots of CSDC and Hanalei paddlers will be there. How they decide to align their rosters is yet to be seen but they will be there to win regardless of who is in the boat.

Any prize money on the line?

Didn't CSDC combine forces with Manayunk in Disney last year? That seemed to work out well.

old school BMO First Dragons reunion!!

Where is the "Who Cares" guy? Why hasn't he said anything here yet?

Who gives a f*ck.

Feel better now?

The Tampa Blade Runners Red team beat out TECO in both a 200+?m race ( by 4 or 5 seats) and 2000m race (by a very slight margin) in a mini-regatta this past Sat. TECO had the best 200?m time of the day. Granted, neither team had full complements of paddlers, so neither team was fully loaded. Also TECO had practice before the regatta, so some may have run out of full steam by 2000m time.

Disney will be very, very interesting. Maybe the Red Dragons will get it together. A lot of potential.

GWN staff - tell us who is going to be there from out of Florida?

Manayunk and CSDC will be teaming up again this year.

Good luck, guys.

That BMO Reunion team will have some very strong paddlers on there - a number of current southern Ontario top 'A' level paddlers. They will definitely be a threat.

who's coming??? so far....

http://www.gwndragonboat.com/Default.asp?id=137&l=1

only 31 teams so far?

There are quite a few teams that are not listed on the GWN site yet. I think you can expect to see at least 60 teams.

"Manayunk and CSDC will be teaming up again this year."

Word is they also teamed up for the recent GWN Mercer race in NJ. How many CSDC paddlers participate in this?

There were only 3 CSDC Paddlers in New Jersey this past weekend.

CSDC (Alliance DBC) have two of their own entries for Orlando but will team up with Manayunk so that all 4 boats are filled (2 Mixed, 1 Women, 1 Open).

TECO TECO TECO

TECO TECO TECO???

Looks like a pretty weak field over all. My understanding is that TECO is a company team that has to make its boats even. You can't be that fast if you have that restriction unless dozens of fit company employees try out with some getting cut, a very unlikely scenario. If that is the best competition then a combo team of Manayunk and the CSDC should win easily. Doesn't look like there are any other competitive teams entered according to the web site. Has anyone else solid stepped up?

My prediction is this event is a bust!

Another event where GWN promises bug and delivers small.

"Another event where GWN promises bug and delivers small."

You mean, like ants? I don't remember seeing anything about ants in the brochure.

But a promise is a promise...

Have you seen the TECO team??? They are all fit. Manayunk better bring it, because not only TECO has their number.... Blade runners, RD's, Puff, and the Slayers are all coming for you!!!!

I just can't keep up with the latest street slang. I just figured out what "pwded" means and now people are promising "bug". I blame the rap culture.

Manayunk and Alliance are fit, too. What's your point? A LOT of DB teams are fit, but not all are really good. See: MOFO's.

it was a response to 2:57 PM stating that TECO is forced to balance out the boat... Both boats are lean machines so balancing them out isn't something that is hurting them.

So TECO has 40 paddlers of equal caliber? That's the only way you can have two equal teams.

"it was a response to 2:57 PM stating that TECO is forced to balance out the boat... Both boats are lean machines so balancing them out isn't something that is hurting them."

Good luck TECO, it looks like you have the right attitude, regardless it is an unavoidable fact that the top 20 would be faster than either of two "balanced" boats.

Who cares about this event.

Really.

Who cares about this event.
Really.

Mickey and Donald. Florida cares because it brings teams from afar to them so they can see how they stack up. It gets legs on this forum because there are so few other races at this time of the year.

This event is a great way to end the season. A little bit of sun, fun and racing. Also a great way to get away with the family. Travelling from Toronto. I am looking forward to it and my daughter can't wait to meet Mickey and the gang on Sunday.

Schedule is posted.
Looks like it will be between Manayunk/Alliance mixed and Manayunk Mixed, that should be interesting. Only one Open team entered, Manayunk.

http://www.gwndragonboat.com/pub/docs/2009%20Orlando%20International%20Dragon%20Boat%20Festival%20Race%20Schedule.pdf

What happened to the other Florida Open teams? Scared of Manayunk?

"What happened to the other Florida Open teams? Scared of Manayunk?"

Eh, what "Florida Open teams" are you referring to? Did Manayunk actually think there were a lot of Open teams in Florida? The place is like Canada, mixed races are the norm.

Last year there were only two other Open teams the Hydroblades and RazorBlades. Who knows who the Razorblades are but I doubt the Hydroblades are "scared" given last year's results. Likely they don't have enough men to field a boat as they mainly race mixed or the are not entering the Open because mixed is their main focus.

And shouldn't you be saying scared of "Manayunk and the CSDC" anyway? It's too bad they are bringing a boat with Canadian ringers to race nobody but it is common knowledge that Florida does not have open teams.

2008 results
Hydroblades Men 2:14.70
Manaykunk Men 2:12.35
RazorBlades 2:21.74

Those "Canadian ringers" are all well past 40 years of age. Many are over 50. If TECO is so "fit" and they have more than one entry, why no Open team?

How about the Bladerunners? Three mixed teams and no open team. And why no women's teams from the local Florida clubs either?

Don't give me the BS about "Florida is like Canada". I thought the point of having races is TO RACE. Any club that puts more than one mixed team on the water can field single-gender teams, too.

Finding women paddlers here in the states is so much easier than finding men. I agree, more than one mixed crew can probably can enter a woman's boat. then their is the issue of you best woman.....They go to a mixed boat for the best competition.
This may rob 8 or 16 ladies from the "woman;s" boat.

Also I suspect most team coaches focus much more on the mixed crew and less so on the woman's boat. Mixed will always have competition is a race.
Woman's only have fewer competitors.

Then their are the Woman only clubs. We're not overwhelmed with these clubs here in the US either.

As for TECO, They are good, they are strong. Perhaps they lack the experience against Manayunk? Or the coaching has not been from a national level coach. Who knows, maybe TECO has it all next week.

CSDC (Alliance) are using their own entries to race in the Mixed and Open. A few Manayunk paddlers will help to make up the numbers but these boats are CSDC (Alliance) entries.

Too bad nobody will "Man up" and challenge in the Open category.

Seriously, who the f**k cares?

Seriously, F*CK OFF

Next we'll have people posting sh*t about races in Houston or Denver like it matters.

Blundetto's Sore Losers vs 8 teams of Rec Paddlers ain't a real race.

RE:
"Those "Canadian ringers" are all well past 40 years of age. Many are over 50. If TECO is so "fit" and they have more than one entry, why no Open team?"

Why pay $ 1,000 so that Manayunk can win $ 400?

^^ Very poor excuse!^^

Isn't TECO a company team that only does a few races? Why is Manayunk calling them out? This team has limited drawing capacity it can not recruit paddlers from all over like Manayunk. Give them a break will ya.

No one "called out" TECO. What the heck are you talking about?

"Blundetto's Sore Losers vs 8 teams of Rec Paddlers ain't a real race."

And when the PDBA goes to Ithaca, that's a real race?

Manayunk and TECO want a race? Go to;

Alcan and race FCRCC
or
Marilyn Bell and race Mayfair
or
Lake Banook and race the Dragon Beasts

There's nothing wrong with hyping Disney, but come on get real here. Neither one of these teams is anywhere near the top level.

"Go to;

Alcan and race FCRCC
or
Marilyn Bell and race Mayfair
or
Lake Banook and race the Dragon Beasts "

....because if you're not racing with the country's best, it don't count. And it has to be on Canadian soil.

Wasn't Manayunk at the Island in 2008?

The reason the HydroBLADES men are not there this year are for a couple of reasons. Back in June the team hit a political practice issue where several teams were locked out from practicing. It put a bit of a hold on the sport in South Florida. Since then the team had to buy a boat and find a new place to practice. All funds for races for the remainder of the year, Hartford CT, Haulover FL, and Orlando FL went to purchase the new boat. So considering they have a new beautiful location and a their own boat, they will not have any issues next year...They will be there.

"Blundetto's Sore Losers vs 8 teams of Rec Paddlers ain't a real race."
And when the PDBA goes to Ithaca, that's a real race?

Nice insult of the NY teams.

When does Philly lose to NYC teams?

Hey, if you are not going to Orlando nobody cares about your opinion. The people who are going are looking forward to some fun in the sun.

Nobody gives a f*ck that you don't give a f*ck.

Re: Disney Predictions?
October 12 2009, 8:41 PM

Question: When does Philly lose to NYC teams?

Answer: When PDBA races in the Flushing Toilet Race.

Aside from losing an occasional single race, has Philly ever not won the overall championship at Flushing?

2005

Hey Hydrobaldes, what kind of boat did you buy?

In case you didn't notice, Philly is not going to Disney. Philly respects the NYC teams and enjoys competing with them. We see NY as a key center for US dragon boating. A MAD paddler was very close to making the Premier Open boat for Prague and one of our long time core Premier paddlers came from the NYC programs. From a national team perspective we believe more and more US teams members will come out of NYC and are encouraged by the sustained ability of the NYC teams to attract good young talent to the sport. Finally, you only have to casually watch these teams to know that they are doing it right as they have great team spirit and are enjoying the sport.

The Ithaca race is a nice event, it's not the worlds or Montreal but a good race with excellent competition and a viewer friendly venue. We go to this event for several reasons: it is within driving distance, the competition is strong because of the NYC teams, there is prize money and it gives those in our program who do not make the boats for worlds or nationals a chance to get in a competitive race.

Disney seems a lot like Ithaca, nice venue, good place to travel to, strong competition because of the steady surge of the Florida teams but it is just out of cycle for our team's focus. We have friends on all the top teams including Manayunk. Enjoy the competition.

Hey, you can race 7 races on Saturday

3 x 500m Mixed
1 x 2000m Mixed
2 x 500m Open/Womens
1 x 2000m Open/Womens


Example, for a woman on a Women's team and Mixes

08:00AM - Mixed Heat 1
09:36AM - Women's 500m qualifier
11:24AM - Mixed Semifinal
01:36PM - Women's 500m final
03:00PM - Mixed 500m Final
03:42PM - Women's 2000m
04:42PM - Mixed 2000m


How much can the body take and a team expect to win?

come on that's an easy practice. only the 2000 should be first.

I think they bought a dragon boat.

Look out Minnie! I'm coming to get ya!

"TECO over manayunk regardless."

No way, Jose!

RazorBlades were Tampa Blade Runners

cold front coming in this weekend..... brrrrrrrr

A high of 76 degrees is "brrrrrrrr"? Sure, it's below normal for Florida. But it's PERFECT weather.

I think the poster was trying to be clever......ie the Canadian contingent coming into Florida.

Because apparently, all that matters in dragonboating, is us Canadians.

Bow down before us, you lowly Americans!.

Below-average temps can only help those from up north.

Rain today. Cooler. Weatherman says high winds Sat.

Semi-Finals = 1 Manyuck CDSC
2 TECO (@ 2 secs behind)
3 Tampa Blade Runners (only .4 secs behind)

Finals will be interesting for 2nd place! Or can a Florida team with only 4 or 5 years experience beat out Manyuck with decades of experience? TECO or Blade Runners?

Cold & Windy

How cold so we can have some perspective. Was TECO in the same semi as Manayunk? What kind of times?

All in same heat. do not know lanes.

From Disney -

TECO spun out in final. 5 boat lengths behind.

Manyuck won.

Either Manyuck/Canadian team or Tampa Bladr Runners 2nd or 3rd. Photofinish.

No info on 2000m race yet.

Correction to semi-final time seperations:

Manyuck over Tampa Blade Runners by- .4ths seconds.

TECO over Tampa Blade Runners by .2ths seconds.

Rumor -Manyuck coach went up
to the Tampa Blade Runners coach
after 500m finals,
looked over team & fitness levels,
shook his head,
and said
'Don't know how, but you almost did it today'.

So how close was the final?

GWN needs to post results!

500m (photo finish)
Manyuck 1
Red Dragons Ice 2
Tampa Blade Runners 3

"Rumor -Manyuck coach went up
to the Tampa Blade Runners coach
after 500m finals,
looked over team & fitness levels,
shook his head,
and said
'Don't know how, but you almost did it today'."


Way to spread BS rumors, numbskull. Your rumor makes NO sense because the Blade Runners look very fit. So would anyone look at them and shake their heads?

That cold front was stopped by a high Florida and Pennsylvania system.

Facts are facts. Witnesses.

Manayuck should savor this one as there won't be many more. They are old and won't get any faster. The Florida teams are taking them over.

Please. Manayuck had two teams entered and had plenty of top paddlers in both boats. If the competition from Florida ever gets tougher, all Manayuck has to do is put its best 20 paddlers in one boat and it's game over.

"Facts are facts. Witnesses."

Really? Then why was it posted as a "rumor"?

"Manayuck should savor this one as there won't be many more. They are old and won't get any faster. The Florida teams are taking them over."

And maybe after that they can beat up on the team from Iowa?

when is GWN going to post the result???

I think the biggest accomplishment on the weekend from the Florida perspective was by the Red Dragons.

Interestingly, their boat went wayward in Tampa, while TECO's did in Orlando. I'm sure 2010 will show

Great job to the Dragons in making the bar higher each year.

If Florida DB keeps growing TECO will be overtaken by the clubs that recruit external talent. It doesn't take too long for a dedicated crew to reach the 2:06 to 2:10 range, and TECO aren't the first to misinterpret this as evidence of imminent ascendancy, but the arc of their performance curve is about to get a lot flatter.

MIXED A DIVISION GRAND FINAL
TECO Tan Anou - Red (+5 sec Penalty) 5th 2:26.91
Out of the Blue BMO Dragons (-2 Sec Bonus) 4th 2:17.75
Manayunk Mixed 1st 2:15.45
Red Dragons Fire 2nd 2:16.86
Blade Runners Red 3rd 2:17.14



A DIVISION SEMI FINAL 2
The Dragon Slayers 5th 2:20.35
Manayunk / Alliance Mixed 4th 2:19.11
Manayunk Mixed 1st 2:18.21
Blade Runners 3rd 2:18.71
TECO Tan Anou - Red 2nd 2:18.45

Too bad TECO spun out in the final, it looks like they put a heck of a scare into Manayunk in the semifinal, just 0.2 behind. The winning time from this year was basically the same as last year but the Florida teams came a little bit closer.

Don't read too much into the times. The wind was gusting like crazy all day, but it wasn't consistent. Look at the difference in times between the semis and the final.

Since GWN does the course we can assume the 500 meter distance is accurate, the winning time this year and last year was 2:15, why so slow? Is the course shallow or is the competition shallow?

I think the biggest accomplishment on the weekend from the Florida perspective was by the Red Dragons.

Interestingly, their boat went wayward in Tampa, while TECO's did in Orlando. I'm sure 2010 will show

Great job to the Dragons in making the bar higher each year.

_________________________________________________________________________

The RED did really well, they are the team to beat in FL for sure. I would have to say they are the quickest at this moment..those RDs kids are pretty darn good too.

RDs hit Blade runners in Tampa and Teco did almost the same, an experience steersman is very important.

5 Blade Runners Red from May were not on the boat Sat due to work & injuries & moving.

2010 will be a different boat altogether.

TECO steer is experienced. Perhaps not enough strength to handle the TECO power in gusty, windy conditions

93 entries on a race where the winner goes 2:15? You guys are nuts.

Were you there ding-dong? 2:15 is a good time for the conditions.

Go crawl back under your rock.

Shallow course.

Why are the times so slow??? they're not. The average winning times in Florida seem to be 2:12-2:15. when they travel up north I have seen them reach as low as 2:02 and that wasn't the fastest southern team. If you take TECO or the Blade Runners up north, they would be under 2mins.

Why? I don't know maybe because all the festivals here in the south except for the Tampa venue is against current.

"If you take TECO or the Blade Runners up north, they would be under 2mins. "

If I tried out for the high school basketball team I would have made it.

If we went to Prague we would have done this

I would have passed if I tried

And if you came down to Florida your time would have been over 2 and a half minutes. Great arguments.

You don't know what you're talking about. TECO and Blade Runners are good teams, but sub-2:00 is more than good. It's an elite standard. Canadian teams that regularly play sub-2:00 include FCRCC, Mayfair and Dragon Beasts (there are others, but those are the big three). Remember what happened when Dragon Beasts came to Tampa? The gap may have narrowed since then, but it has by no means closed. These elite programs were built by attracting the very best athletes from a broad base of competitive paddlers. You're not going to match that standard with a company team.

"If you take TECO or the Blade Runners up north, they would be under 2mins."

No, they woudn't. But I suspect this post was just bait anyhow.

"If you take TECO or the Blade Runners up north, they would be under 2mins."

Does this mean y'all are finally going to travel to a real race?
I'm looking forward to it...
Rec A Finals here we come!!!

in Tampa the US trial times were almost 3 minutes for 500 meters on an OC1. those same guys were getting almost under 2 minutes for the 500 when they went up north. That's a huge difference.

What?! That is ridiculous. Conditions are a more likely reason for this huge time difference, not paddling ability.

"in Tampa the US trial times were almost 3 minutes for 500 meters on an OC1. those same guys were getting almost under 2 minutes for the 500 when they went up north. That's a huge difference."

Nobody picks up one minute going north to south over 500 meters, you are reading this wrong. From the prior thread on time trials it was stated that the distance in Philly was much shorter than 500 meters. The Philly distance was not measured to 500 meters but chosen based on wanting times around 2 minutes. The 500 meter distance was a screening tool as a fixed distance that could be somewhat compared to other areas like Houston where a time trial was also held with times around 3 minutes also. The 3 minute time is half way between the time for 500s and 1000s in dragon boat making it a good distance to screen folks at.

Gee, I thought that everyone in here knew what the hell they're talking about , but some of the comments are clear displays of ignorance, bias or both.

You can't compare one course to another other than by comparing times of the exact same teams from one event to another. The course in Orlando is shallow and had consistent head winds. Manyunk had many of the same paddlers that ran a sub 2 minute 500 at Sydney.

TECO spun because they got blown off the line and got caught in the wash. Blue BMO got a bonus because they had to come into Manyunk's lane to avoid TECO. Manyunk won by 1.41 seconds over Red Dragons Fire.

RACE 37 SD LN PREMIER MIXED A DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL
1 TECO Tan Anou - Red (+5 sec Penalty) 5 2:26.91
2 Out of the Blue BMO Dragons (-2 Sec Bonus) 4 2:17.75
3 Manayunk Mixed 1 2:15.45
4 Red Dragons Fire 2 2:16.86
5 Blade Runners Red 3 2:17.14

In the Open race Manyunk Mixed (men) won by 1.48 seconds IN 100 METER RACE.

Red Dragons Fire 6 0:30.06
Blade Runners 4 0:29.52
Manayunk Mixed (men) 1 0:26.61
TECO 3 0:28.88
Manayunk/Alliance (women) 5 0:29.99
Puff 2 0:28.09

All you have to do is look at the Disney venue on a map and you'll see that there was no significant current. Now, we all know what wind and conditions can do to times, but you can't expect anyone to believe that the current and conditions always happen to be unfavourable (to the extent that it adds 12-15 seconds) every time a Florida team races. The idea that going up north miraculously brings these teams to sub 2 mins is even more ridiculous. We don't have magical water up here, after all.

The teams down south are working hard and getting better, but don't make silly assertions that I'm sure your fellow paddlers do not agree with.

"Manyunk had many of the same paddlers that ran a sub 2 minute 500 at Sydney."

Their site lists the roster from Sydney. If memory serves the following (from that list) were NOT in Florida:

Tom Weitz
John Edwards
Tim Browning
Bill Byrd
Les Hopper
Taz Lee
Mike Johnson
Chris Tacy
Nick Chekmizoff
Steve Jewel
Glen Whitehurst

That's a lotta paddlers...

Until one of these Florida teams actually travels to a real race, with real competition, how 'bout they all stop talking ****?

I mean, the last time any of them raced against real competition that I know of was 2006 (US Nationals in Tampa) when they chose to race in the Club regatta rather than in the Nationals. And what happened? TECO took third, behind a rec team from DC and a Wasabi team from Portland that finished LAST in the Nationals comp (and Blade Runners didn't make the A finals).

So... it's time to put up or shut up.

I think everyone can agree that we haven't seen the best of Florida yet, and that there's some good paddlers there. The question is - how good are they and will they ever be good enough to make an impression?

So far, lots of novice thinkers from Florida are posting here. The sport is still very young in Florida, but can it be said that it's growing the fastest there within the US?

GWN 2009 - Abby Normal was a motley crew from Florida. They did pretty well.

6th in the A consolation, 4 seconds behind the 5th place crew.

So 821 PM, knowing the names means you are from Manayunk and are you saying the paddlers you had at Disney were not as good as your regular roster? Do the "new" guys or the canucks you added agree with that? Are they happy with your calling them second rate?

"Manayunk" mixed crew were 50% Manayunk and 50% CSDC.

It would be good to see Manayunk go head-to-head with CSDC.

I know which crew my money would be on.

"So 821 PM, knowing the names means you are from Manayunk and are you saying the paddlers you had at Disney were not as good as your regular roster? Do the "new" guys or the canucks you added agree with that? Are they happy with your calling them second rate?"

No. Read that 8:21Pm post again. The names are on the Manayunk website.

"Their site lists the roster from Sydney. If memory serves the following (from that list) were NOT in Florida:

Tom Weitz
John Edwards
Tim Browning
Bill Byrd
Les Hopper
Taz Lee
Mike Johnson
Chris Tacy
Nick Chekmizoff
Steve Jewel
Glen Whitehurst"


In that case, you need to get your eyes/memory checked. Some on that list were in Disney.

i quote from carl lewis' rendition of the american anthem

annnnd the rockets...red glare

uh oh!

theboombs bursting innnn aiir

gave proof..

to the niiiiiiight
thhat our flag was still therererererere


i'll make up for it now!

Seriously. Enough. If masters age paddlers can win the "premier" division of this race, the race doesn't even deserve to take up space on this forum's server.

CSDC participates in several Premier races every season.


what's your point?





















;

It may be Disney but no one really cares for Disney in Florida especially so this race is destined for lameness kinda like Tavares. Its way too expensive for Florida teams to take seriously in the future.

Oh for f*cks sake you guys sure waste a lot of time arguing about a race that you "dont care about"...

This forum has probably only a few cry babies! Many good posts with childish replies on occasion.
I would like to think it's only a few immature ones are posting the silly replies.

Who cares? Participants care.
Non-competitive? that's relative.
Two minute teams? When conditions permit.
ect....ect.....ect....

CSDC routinely beat most "Premier" crews.

Always in the A Division of any race they participate in. Some of the best paddlers in the country.

The Florida crews need to man up. This year they didn't enter any men's teams so that they could be fully rested to beat manayuck in the mixed races. Didn't work.

The Florida crews need to man up. This year they didn't enter any men's teams so that they could be fully rested to beat manayuck in the mixed races. Didn't work.

Manayuck needs to man up and stop using top Canadian paddlers to race Florida teams

hahaha nice.....

A team is a team. One of the Florida teams had Philly paddlers and there was also at least one other team made up of a mix of Canadians and Americans. So why no men's entries again?

So why no men's entries again?

We are waiting until GWN starts testing for steroids

The Florida crews need to man up. This year they didn't enter any men's teams so that they could be fully rested to beat manayuck in the mixed races. Didn't work.

I don't recall a mens division..but us the Red Dragons didn't think we would stand a chance against Manayunk, I am pretty sure the rest of the Florida crews feel the same way, we can't compete with a team with that many years of experience and training..they probably can beat us with their eyes close. The Florida teams never claim the fastest or the best, we are just trying to enjoy and to get better for the sport we love so much, but don't take the Florida teams light tho, we are getting better and faster.

We will man it up, give us another year or 2.

Dennis
RDs

There was a single open entry.
But the races for open were cancelled because there was only the one crew.

Thanks for stating the obvious.

I wonder if any of the crews at the Disney race would make it into the Comp A Division at the Alcan race in Vancouver.

October 26 2009, 3:41 PM

clearly the guy before my previous post did not know.
no need to be a douche

"I wonder if any of the crews at the Disney race would make it into the Comp A Division at the Alcan race in Vancouver."

I think that a stacked Manayunk crew could make it into Comp A. Jetstart and LARD made it in this year - so they'd have to outperform one of those crews - which I think is possible for them.
Now... if their semi-final was in a Gemini, I'd bet against them making it.

The interesting thing is their "stacked" team is merely a composite team comprised of paddlers across the US and Canada. LARD & Jetstart, on the other hand, I believe are truly club teams.

"A team is a team. One of the Florida teams had Philly paddlers and there was also at least one other team made up of a mix of Canadians and Americans. So why no men's entries again?"

What team was that because the teams that made the big boys race had 3 from florida and of those 3 teams none of them had paddlers from outside their team.

"Puff" from Miami had non-Florida paddlers. "Can-Am" was another team comprised of Canadians and Americans.

For an event that maybe had 30 mixed teams...... this thread is sure dragging on.

Does not surprise me they probably kicked some of their own off that boat to bring in ringers. 2nd in consolation wasn't what they probably had in mind.

Word is the Red Dragons had a lot of New York Dragons on their team. Go to their Facebook site for proof.

TECO and Tampa Blade Runners were all Corporate and/or Club team memebers. NO ringers from the outside.

So now, who do you think was best in Florida? Has to be the Blade Runners!

Bladr runners have done close to a 2 min in practice. Depends on current & wind & who's on the boat. Several good paddlers from the Blade Runners were not on the boat at Disney.

"Bladr runners have done close to a 2 min in practice."

You cannot hope to retract that fast enough. OMFG! That has to be at least tied for the dumbest thing ever written on this forum.

"Bladr runners have done close to a 2 min in practice. Depends on current & wind"

Are you saying that 35KT tailwind and 6KT current behind you gets you to 2:05?
That would make you competitive with the good women's teams... when they have no wind or current at their back.

Word is the Red Dragons had a lot of New York Dragons on their team. Go to their Facebook site for proof.

TECO and Tampa Blade Runners were all Corporate and/or Club team memebers. NO ringers from the outside.

So now, who do you think was best in Florida? Has to be the Blade Runners!

Yes Red Dragons ICE are mixing in with the Wall Street that won Div B, whats the problem mixing with our sister team? RD Fire who got 2nd place are all RDs, we are the same crew that was in Tavares, Tampa and all the other races check the disney roster or look at the GWN team photos..if you think you are the fastest in FL, you can have it.. we are still way slow compare to top teams.. nothing to brag about it, if you want to be the best, race against any of the top 10 ranking teams.

So now, who do you think was best in Florida? who cares really, it is no big deal at all.

Dennis
RDs

Yup, I am from another team and we see these guys all the time, I did not see any other paddler's on the RD team that were not RD's from their South Florida team in that final. give them the credit they earned... great job on that race guys/girls, I thought you were going to win it. hope everyone's holidays are good!

That last post is funny, NY ringers!!!! Winning a B division is not using ringers!!! Especially with paddlers from NY LOL!

i think that's what he was trying to say, that the "ringers" was more for fun. he boat that almost took Manayunk was all RD's.

But everybody knows...almost doesn't count.

We were 1 full boat behind Manuyunk with 200 meters to go, we caught up about half a boat and we locked all the way to finish. Same with our first heat against them.

Dennis
RDs

We are in November! Time to move on. Bring it next year.

Uh, Manuyunk sent two teams. So the Manuyunk boat that beat you by 1/2-length would have beaten you by a lot more if Manuyunk had put their best 20 paddlers in one boat. So calm down.

dennis you ever hear of wash riding you moron