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The Europeans have European Club Crew Championships - would a North American equivalent work? I'm guessing the countries still need National races to determine CCWC berths, so we would still have Nationals and this NACCC. Just throwing out ideas.. would it work? Why or why not?

both countries are so big. comp crews have to travel to compete at nationals to get a ccwc berth, so itd be tough convincing them to fly out again to compete at a north american club crews, especially with nothing to gain except bragging rights

we were supposed to have Pan Am's last year. Didn't work out

NACCC's have been happening since 2003. Once Brazil and Trinidad joined the IDBF the event switched to Pan Am Club Crew Championships as per Tampa last summer but it only took place in small boats. Since there is no Pan American Dragon Boat Federation up and running yet the IDBF has an advisory committee looking at the possibility of hosting again in 2013.

Thanks Mike for the info.

too expensive.

The Pan Am Club Crews were VERY poorly attended in Tampa last year. It's a nice idea but nobody seems to care.

Because they're in 10 man boats and right before Worlds. Why would anyone think that is a good idea. Do it on the year World's aren't scheduled

"Do it on the year World's aren't scheduled"

Then you would be directly competing with the World Club Crew Championships. If I am with a top crew in 2014 I am going to Italy to race. Forget this Pan Am farce.

Actually there was a previous NACCC held concurrently with Worlds in 2001 in Philadelphia. The top crew from Canada at that competition was a top crew at the time, Stratford's Hunter Steel Dragons of Steel. I believe they swept the podium (correct me if I'm wrong) with times in the sub-2:00s on the current of river in Philly where races were held.

The IDBF CCWC's are currently far more attractive to paddlers than Pan Am is. The only clubs that would attend Pan am are those that did not qualify for the IDBF CCWC's, or, clubs that did qualify but cannot afford to travel abroad, depending on location.

NACCC were held in Philly. With about six crews.
Don't glorify it. Hunters were a good team, certainly not elite though.
GWN also ran NACCC in 2003.

Also in 2005.

Well, face it, with the IDBF Worlds and CCWCs alternating every year, there's not really going to be a good year to have NACCCs. Unless, you combine the respective national competitions for Canada/USA into a single NACCC?

Are European teams as involved in CCWCs as Canada/USA? The IDBF site is down so I can't check past results. Do the EU countries consistently send the maximum possible number of teams? If not, that might be why the Euro CCCs are successful being run every year, because instead of travelling to CCWCs, they compete on their continent. Whereas the top North American teams will always go to CCWCs, so NACCCs would just become a second-tier competition (if run every year), as someone else previously mentioned.

Bring back the model where every region in Canada awarded a CCWC sanction based on region, with two spots remaining up for grabs, and award those at the NACCC. Alternate between U.S. and Canada, in reasonable location (Welland or a U.S. city not too far south).

Nationals held in Canada and U.S. respectively every non-NACC year (ie. every CCWC year), and these should be scheduled around the CCWC's so as not to conflict or make it too hard for the CCWC teams to attend. Yeah, you will lose some but not all. That still happens today.

When the NACCC happened in Welland it was awesome. I would love to see it return.

NACCC was a cash grab by GWN at the time. A bizarre concept that featured Canada's best against Philly.

NACCC will only work when the US club system evolves. Otherwise, it's just Canadian Nationals plus 1-2 crews with the profits going to a company.

rather see the money go to DBC or USDBF through nationals.

"The Europeans have European Club Crew Championships - would a North American equivalent work?"

No. The analogy doesn't work. There are many countries in Europe that have dragonboat teams. How many North American teams have dragon boating?

NACCC was a cash grab with GWN when Mike was running it and it was a joke/cash grab with PanAm and Mike running it in 2011. I think we can all figure out the common denominator and likely a good reason it has not worked in the past.

We don't need more championships. Tons of great events. We need more teams to travel to those events. Many of the big events get a few teams from far away, but they are always the same teams. It is time for regional powerhouses to start travelling to Vancouver, the Island, 911, etc. so we can battle it out. When was the last time a western US team came to an east coast event? Lots of teams head west each year. I would rather win any of those events than a bogus NACCC.

My two cents....

One reason why people came to NorAM 2003 in the first place (at least from Canada) was because the top finishers were awarded places at the 2004 CCWC in Cape Town, South Africa. It was a competitive regatta. It was also a chance to have teams go head to head that normally didn't - Mayfair, Scotia Rouge, Imperial Dragons (GTDBC Mixed at that event), Wongs Dragonslayers, Verdun Pionniers, Bytown Paddlers, Philadelphia DBA, and the best of the rest such as U of T Piranhas. I still have the results on my hard drive.

NorAM 2005 was similarly competitive. But as it was really more of a Canadian event, Nationals took precedence, the US didn't really miss it and the event just went away.