Koi Ponds Forum

This forum deals with ponds which have been built mainly for koi similar to those featured on the KOI Cymru website. Even if you have not built your pond yet then your views are welcome. This is a chance to discuss your ideas and views with other koi-keepers.
Please mention the country,and state or county,as in different parts of the World we have different methods and climate.
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Baby Koi

by John

Can anyone help me i have lots of baby Koi approx 12 weeks old and 20mm big when should they start displaying there final colours

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koi flags

by jason

hi can anyone tell me where i can get hold of some koi flags of a desent size 5'*4' or somewhere near to that size i have a semi partial indoor pond and want to put them up on the walls to break up the bare walls

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Koi nobori

by Mark

Jason, they are called koi nobori and are freely available in the UK. Just type it into Google. Good luck

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Koi Nobori

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Koi Nobori are traditionally given to boys on My 5th to celebrate Boys Day. The gift of the Carp windsocks represents the young mans upstream struggle through life. Of course, the more the parents/grandparents spend on the Koi-nobori, the greater the success the child will have (a nice marketing ploy!!). Therefore small shops miraculously appear all over Japan in April selling boxes of these (including a number of variously sized Koi Nobori, a long mounting pole and lots of noisy things to go on top). Beleive me, some of these boxes cost thousands of pounds!! Most of the Koi Nobori sold are screen printed nylon and probably are made in their tens of thousands. The really nice ones are hand painted are are beautiful.(These are the really expensive ones!!).
They are certainly a stunning sight to see if you ever get the opportunity to visit Japan in May.

I brought a number back from Japan (I lived there for a couple of years) and my parents now use them as "line-litter" when flying their enormous kites at festivals throughout Europe.



As far as the little girls, they get dolls on March 3rd "Girls day" - Hina-matsuri (Doll Festival.) , which are usually limited to an Emporor and Empress and maybe a couple of servants (although the really rich get an entire Royal Household of up to 100 dolls). The Kimonos are up to 20 layers, all hand stitched and are works of art in themselves. Again, thousands of pounds may be spent.







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flags

by jason

thanks for your help guys i didnt know that is what they are called although i was thinking of something like a more traditional flag with a good quality pic of one of our jewels on and maybe a little bit of japanese text on one side i have seen these on ebay once and didnt take the opportunity then and i havent been lucky enough to find them since but thanks anyway much appreciate it i am looking into it

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UV's again

by Andy

Adding a UV that is well over the top for you size of pond be harmful. My pond is 1500 gallons but i have the chance of a UV for a 3000 gallon pond. Should you take the manufactures guild lines for size or just go the next size up to be sure

Andy

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Re: UV's again

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This will not be a problem. I assume you are talking about a 30 watt unit.
In any case for large ponds you only have general sizes so use the one that is larger than what you need.
For a 4,000 gallon pond many people use a 55watt unit

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UV's

by Tony

Hi,I have a 5000 gallon pond and have a 55 watt uv but am changing it for a uv suitable for 15000 gallons because my pond is in full sun all day and my current unit can't cope. An oversized uv will also lower the bacteria level in the pond which has a benificial effect in that it will reduce any bad bacteria in the pond,your good bacteria in the filter will be unaffected.


Tony

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Safe Stone

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Hi folks I,m building a waterfall at present and want to know how to test the stone and slate I,m using to see if its safe, also must I divert some of the output from my pump away from the turbocleaner as it seems to be too powerfull, can there be too much flow, thanks.

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Re: Safe Stone

by Anonymous

NO expert but I read somewhere that you can chip a piece of waterever off then boil it in some water. Then after the water cools to say room temp. Put an experimental fish in it and see if it survives. The fish should be one that is very "delicate" like a canary in a mine. Boiling the water concentrates whatever might be coming out of the stone in it. Like I said, I read it somewhere so I don't know how accurate this is but seems logical.

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Re: Safe Stone

by Sean McKinney

Do you know the origin of the stone? If so you may be able to find chemical break downs via web searches or if possible ask the quarry. Quite a bit of my rock seems to contain some iron ore and I also have pebbles of flint, granite and probably some chalk, so far no problem. The geology department of the nearest university might also be able to help if you ask nicely.
The only one I have seen questioned so far is a 'slate', that was on a US board and "slate" probably isnt slate of the type that comes from Wales etc, that contained yellow flakes thought to be iron pyrties?? and there was a question about it releasing sulphur, I dont know the out come.
Proper "ores" are probably best avoided.

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Safe stone

by John

Slate is fine for ponds in fact it is not uncommon to find water tanks made from slate,Slate can contain impurites such as iron pirites but theu will not leach out hope this helps

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oxygen in filter

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My brother in law and I have been having a disagreement about oxygen in the filter. We have two different reference books which tell him one thing and me another. The debate is based on where to place oxygen within the filter; should it be placed in the transfer ports or in the media chambers themselves? Would be interested to hear comments. Thanks - John

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Oxygen Filter

by Shazz

I have mine in the transport section, I was told that it was the best place to put them. It stops the sediment from being disturbed and sent back to the pond. I believe that some keepers will put oxygen directly into K1 but it has to be safely contained and backflushed in a special way.

Hope this helps.

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Re: oxygen in filter

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If you have transfer ports then that is the best place to put the air stones, but many filters do not have transfer ports especially vortex filter units.
If you have Japanese matting or Kaldnes K1 as the media then you should have the air coming from under the media. This is usually done with a ring of plastic pipe with small holes drilled in it.

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Oxygen in Filter

by John Sutton

Thank you very much. You confirmed my understanding of the situation.

Regards. John

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Heating in ponds

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I am going to build an indoor pond and was wondering if I can use radiant heating embedded in the concrete to heat the pond. I'll be building an outdoor pond as well and the temperatures freeze during the winter. The heating tubes will be thermostat controlled just for the pond only for protection and not cooked fish.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Ron


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Heating

by Paul


Hi Ron, initial thoughts are :-

a/ What happens if the parts embedded in the walls fail for any reason ?
How will you access it to repair/replace ?

b/ Why waste energy heating the walls rather than the water itself ?
It is possible to use some form of rigid foam insulation under say a buytl liner or fibreglass finish to insulate the water from the pond wall.

c/ Would a heater embedded in the wall affect whatever type of liner you propose to use ?
Does say PVC, butyl, fibregalss degrade with a heater right under it ?

Of course if you manage to get your idea to work then please post some details & pictures.

Good luck
Paul





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Heating in ponds

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Actually I am going to use Pex tubing and embed them into the floor (I am not going to have any in the walls). Once the concrete bottom is heated, the earth will be warm for about a foot deep and the concrete will be about the same temperature and the tubes, as for heat there is no wasted energy as heat rises and cannot go any deeper. I may use a foam insulation, just haven't decided yet.
This is from radiant floor heating like in homes and they lasf for years. The Pex can expand or stretch 3 times it's size so failure of the tube shouldn't happen. As for Radiant floor heating, it's supposed to be very energy efficient. Do a web search on radiant heating and it'll explain in better depth.
As for the liner, I plan to use Hetch rubber sealer (paint-on), a good point I didn't think of and will ask the Mfg. of the sealer.
I'll definately take photos and details of my project when it gets started.
Ron

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My fish

by Gert

my fish is cool i luv im e lyks 2 me

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moving fish late in year

by danny

hi all, ive just about finished my 3500 gallon koi pond ( another 3 weeks) but will it be too late to put fish in?i,ll also have to wait a while till my filter matures so your looking at nlate november

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Moving fish

by Adam

If your ponds heated then it should be ok to move fish late in the year. If its not heated then its not worth the risk (and cost) as theres a fair chance moving the fish in cold weather could increase their chance of catching something (and they probably will), as the koi's immune system is at its lowest but parasites etc are still active. Also if the pond isnt heated then the filters wont mature, as the bacteria needed to break ammonia and nitrite down are dorment at these low temperatures. hope this helps.

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moving fish late in year

by danny

yes you,re right, i never thought of the filters not maturing, thanks mate

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uvs

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i've just completed my pond (took a while) when i switched on the pump the quartz sleeve in the uv positoned directly after the pump broke could the pressure of the pump cracked it?

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Re: uvs

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The quick answer is no.
You do not state the size of your pond or the size of the UV.
Assuming it is 30 or 55 watt then you can pump large amounts through the unit without fear of damaging the quartz tube.
The failure probably happened during transit from the shop, or was damaged during installation. One has to be very care when removing and replacing the quartz tubes as they do fracture quite easily.

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winterfeeding

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thanks Eric i will in future search in your history for answers to some of my questions. keep the good work up kind regards Alfie

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Search facility

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Hi Alfie,
The comment was not aimed at you, but I think a lot of people do not realise how useful the Search facility can be and I was just pointing this out.

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feeding in winter

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i have been feeding my fish on wheat germ for the last couple of weeks i am going on holiday in early November for three weeks if i stop feeding them would that be OK or shall i get my son to feed them while i am on holiday.
any advice would be helpful kind regards Alfie

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Re: feeding in winter

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Several koi-keepers are asking about feeding koi in the winter months and I think a repeat of a message posted by Alan in January is well worth repeating again and I have added it below.
When asking questions it is a good idea to use the Search facility on the Forum as this will list all similar questions and their answers, and may even answer other questions you may have.

Posted 8th January 2005 by Alan.
With temperatures hovering around the 46oF mark, if you haven't already done so, now is the time to stop feeding your koi. Here are two good reasons why this is necessary:-

1. Food moves very slowly through the digestive tract in cold water and there is a danger that it can start rotting inside the fish. Sounds like bad news to me!

2. At low temperatures, many foods actually cause the Koi to use more energy to consume it than they can extract from it. What a waste of energy!

Now is the time when our Koi make use of the "reserves" they built up during the previous three seasons. If all went to plan, they built up enough of these "reserves" to last until the Spring when warmer water and a decent wheatgerm diet help them regain some of the lost weight.

Don't make the mistake, as I did for the first 6-7 years, of thinking that a bit of feeding during a mild spell will really be of any benefit to the koi either. It's too late to build up weight now and they must survive with what they have.

If this is your first winter with an un-heated pond, keep your water quality up, stop feeding and enjoy the quietest period in the Koi keeping year.

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winter prep

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i have a 2000gal pond with no heater so i will be turning of my waterfall during the winter so the water is not cooled too much( as been advised in prev messages) i will be re-directing the water from the w/fall outlet into solvet weld pipe which will be positioned into the lower half of the pond which will enable me to leave my filteration and pump running. my question is as the waterfall is no longer running will there be anough oxygen for my koi. i have no air pump in the filters.

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Oxygen

by Adam

Although like you say there wont be a waterfall to add air into the water for the koi, because of the cold weather it shouldnt be a problem. Especially as the water is still circulating. In colder weather its very hard for the fish to run out of oxygen in the water, more of a summer problem lack of oxygen. You could always add an air pump, for more circulation if you wanted, it will also keep the top of the pond from icing over in bad weather. But dont put it on the bottom, about a foot from the pond floor. But i wouldnt think you'll need it really. hope this helps.

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winter prep

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thanks adam for the advice. is it advisable to leave the filteration running throughout winter. also is it ok to leave the uv on or could the cold weather crack the quartz. i inherited my pond when i moved into the house 9 mths ago and the previous owner turned off the pump and uv from oct-march as he said it was not needed through the winter months. any advice much appreciated as i am still a novice.

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Winter

by Adam

I would leave the pump and filter on, and aslong as the pump is running then the UV wont crack. Although you could turn it off, the running cost of a UV isnt much. And the Bulb would still need replacing next year. Even though the bacteria in the filter will die off there will still be debri in the pond which if left to rot on the pond floor could produce problems so its best to filter this out. There will be less waste than in summer so probably clean the filters every 2 weeks, or whenever they need it really. That shoudl keep this fish healthy enough over winter and if they look hungry then i would feed them, but only wheatgerm as they cant digest high protein in cold weather. And when the temperature starts to pick up in spring time keep an eye out for problems with the koi, fungus, dropsy etc as this is when they are most succeptabe to illness. Good Luck

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Strange behaviour - Goldfish

by Adrian

Our original 'plastic pond' has 4 goldfish living there along with 3 koi awaiting their new home to be completed (3500 gallon proper koi pond).

The only female goldfish is exhibiting some strange (and potentially fatal) behaviour. If anyone has any ideas I'd be grateful as I would hate to lose any fish, koi or otherwise.

The small pond has a plant shelf around the perimeter. There are no plants on this shelf, just a water lilly to one side of the main pond. This goldfish lost all of its colour a year or so ago and is now a silvery pink. Yesterday I noticed it lying on its side in the plant shelf, seemingly lifeless. On closer inspection it was still breathing and I gently eased it back into the pond. It didn't need much encouragement and I got soaked in the process as it thrashed and swam back into the main pond.

I thought all was well again and it had just got stranded as the water level had dropped a bit. Unfortunately this wasn't the case as it repeatedly returns to the plant shelf and then back to the main pond. It's now a constant cycle. It end up in different parts of the shelf seemingly at random. When it moves back into the main pond it swims very fast arond the pond for a few minutes and the seems to hang by its tail for a few seconds before returning to the shelf again.

All of this is taking its toll on the fish as it thrashes its tail against the pond to move out of the shallow plant shelf and to return to the pond.

It survived last night but this odd behaviour continues this morning. I have treated the entire pond with MelaFix (natural antibiotic treatment) as a safeguard against infection although there are no obvious open wounds as yet.

I think there may be a problem with the swim bladder but why not just rest on the bottom of the pond instead of trying to isolate itself on the shelf?

I'd be grateful for any ideas!

Many thanks!



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Swin Bladder

by Adam

hi, i would say its possibly a swim bladder problem aswell, and the goldfish i have had with swim bladder problems have tended to float and be unable to reach the bottom. If this is the case then isolating the fish and stop feeding it for a few days should help, as sometimes the swim bladder is compressed by the stomach of a fish which has over eaten. Hope this helps

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Re: Strange behaviour - Goldfish

by Sue

I had a shubunkin once with a swimbladder problem ... it was fine when it was swimming but, as soon as it stopped, would end up in any position other than upright.

I read up on it at the time and I think it was generally thought to be a difficult thing to sort out. Somewhere it was suggested that the fish should be 'wedged' between two solid structures of some kind, for a few days, but achieving that is another matter!

Anyway, I couldn't sort the problem and fish eventually died. Hope you have more luck!



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Re: Strange behaviour - Goldfish

by Sue

Thinking about this further, I wonder whether it actually is a swimbladder problem. I have just a remembered a young koi who, last year, kept seeking the shallowest part of the pond and remaining there, on its side.

I'm not sure how long your goldfish has been doing this but, after a few days, I managed to get this koi out and and isolate it. It actually turned out to be very sick and eventually died. This wasn't a swimbladder problem and I never did find out what was wrong.

I have numerous goldfish who have lost their colour and they are fine. I think that is probably just a coincidence.

All the best.

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Re: Strange behaviour - Goldfish

by Adrian

Hi Sue!

Thanks for the reply!

I don't know if it is a positive sign of improvement but the goldfish appears to be spending a little less time on the edge and more in the pond although still having difficulties maintaining an even keel.

Perhaps the MelaFix is having a beneficial effect. I still don't hold out much hope for her though. I have been reluctant to isolate so far as we don't have a great deal of room available whilst we complete the new pond and in an isolation tank there would be no shallow resting place for her, this does seem to offer some relief for whatever reason.

I'm sure you are right about the loss of colour being a coincidence. Never did find a cause for that either!

Thansk again for your responses. I do appreciate them!

Adrian

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Re: Strange behaviour - Goldfish

by Anonymous

Stupid question.....Is it getting enough oxygen in the main pond?

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Re: Strange behaviour - Goldfish

by Anonymous

Plenty thanks!

Airtech 40 supplying 2 large airstones (throttled back by venting excess air).

Adrian

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fish growth

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if koi have been in a small pond for some time is there growth rate stunted . if taken out into a bigger pond will there growth rate increase or or stop the same size any info would be wellcome. kind regards Alfie

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Re: fish growth

by Sue

I think the general consensus is that the bigger the pond, the bigger the fish. I think a larger pond does help but, in my experience, hasn't made much of a difference.

Before changing to our very large pond, we had 2 koi in an 8 x 8 x 4 pond and they just grew and grew and grew! I also know of someone with a 6 x 6 x 3 pond, with just 1 koi, and it probably is the largest koi I've ever seen in a garden pond.

Obviously, it's better for koi to have space and depth but it doesn't seem to make alot of difference to their growth, not in my humble experience anyway!

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Koi Growth

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Koi grow to the size of their environment as do all fish in Tanks or external environments. There may be some rare cases which go against this general rule.

As for being stunted, as soon as the Koi are placed into a larger environment they will grow - they are not permanently stunted unless they smoke cigarettes in their teenage years.

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growth rate

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thanks alfie

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fish growth

by shaneA

hello .I tend to agree with Sue .I have just bought a fish from a friend ,the fish is six years old ,lenth is 66cm and she weighs 4.5kg .His pond is only 5000L and he has got 8 fair size fish in it.
I was also told ,bigger the pond bigger the fish ,so i built a 11200L pond .
What i have noticed is that I have acheived more rapid growth rates than he has.Example in Jan this year I bought some baby koi +-8cm long I put 7 into my pond and 3 in his .4 of my koi had grown to 25cm,1 to 32cm by the end of June ,where as his at the same time where only measuring 14cm.We then tried to find out more on this ,
a lot of the research all seemed to lead to the following
1)genes of the fish
2)quality of the water
3)quality of the food(food hi in protiens,live foods ect.)
4)smaller amounts of food ,but fed 3 to 4 times a day
5)high levels of oxcygen in the water.
6) under stocking a pond ,(which as most koi keepers can agree with me is very difficult.)
hope this helps or adds to the debate
shaneA(South Africa)

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Re: fish growth

by Anonymous

Just wanted to add one more to shane's list:

7. Age of fish.

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RE: Growth

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A close friend of ours had a few ghosties in a small garden pond, they had had them from a few inches, at 15yrs of age and about 18 inches, they went into a 5.000gal. heated pond, in two years they had all grown, the largest reaching 26inches. In our own experience, we brought a doitsu hariwake at a koi auction, dont know her age, but measured 22ins. and very rugby ball shape, now 6yrs later shes 28ins. perfect body shape and never been beaten at a show in her class and was in fact was best doitsu at Worthing BKKS 2005.

Regards

Dee

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Help! Home for large koi carp

by sarah

Hello. We are moving on the 21st October and have one large red,black and white(sanke)koi carp to find a new home for. He has lived in our small garden pond along with some smaller ghost koi and goldfish for almost 4 years. He is a lovely fish and I would guess he is around 24 inches long. We will consider any offers for him as we cannot leave him as our buyers are planning to demolish the pond! If anybody is interested, I am able to e mail some photos. Many thanks.

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koi

by jason

hi i am interested i have been after a good sized sanke but havent found any that is what i want at the right price if you can mail me a pic and let me know what sort of money you are looking for it my e-mail is melg@spice7501.freeserve.co.uk where are you based thanks jason

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your fish

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Hello.I've just comissioned a new pond,quite large(8000gls).Water quality is now stable & the koi guinea pigs(4) are all fine.New members are welcome,cost is a secondary concern,please contact me either email or 'phone 07973 555559.
Thanks,Bobd.

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Re: your fish

by sarah

We are open to offers, we paid £280 from the koi warehouse in cardiff, not looking to get our money back, but a good offer will do, also got 2 ghost koi approx 8ins to rehome, the goldfish can be taken also if required, but i think a neighbour will take them if there is no interest. We are in Port Talbot, S.Wales

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contact details

by sarah

any interested parties please phone 07966830365,

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Got Pics If Anyone Wants Some

by sarah

Just taken pics of sanki , any interested parties please let me know and ill send them a copy

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Shows/Events - BEWARE

by Shazz

Having just read a thread on Shows/Events reminded me of a experience I had at the last BKKS Show in Kent.

Before attending this show with the family last bank holiday weekend I said in the car on the way there to whoever was listening that under no circumstances were we going to buy any Koi at the show as I had read a lot of bad reports about doing this.

Obviously, no one had listened to me!! and we came away with two Usturis, can't deny that they were beautiful. I did however, take the precaution of asking the agent before he bagged the fish whether there was anything I should be aware of concerning these fish, how long they had been in the country, have they been treated, was there anything wrong.

I was assured that the fish were ok and should I have any problems with my pond to let him know and he would be around straight away.

Unfortunately to compound this error in judgement, we did not QT before putting them in the pond. Well the fishes came with baggage, to this day we are not sure what! I had to call out my regular suppliers four days later to treat my pond as my Tancho had become pink and the other Koi did not look so good.

In went the PP, followed by Formulin & Mal a couple of days later. I phoned the Agent who had supplied the Koi in the first place, he didn't want to know. This is a lesson learnt the hard way by my husband, it could have been so much worse (KHV) be very careful where you get your fish and who you are dealing with.

Glad to say my pond is nearly back to normal. We will now be QTing and treating every Koi before putting them in with the rest, the risk is too great. I have also reported this Agent to the Show's Chairman it remains to be seen whether anything is done.

Shazz

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Shows/Events - Beware

by Shazz

Correction
One Utsuri and one Goshiki?!!!

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Re: Shows/Events - BEWARE

by Mal_uk

To be honest I can't see where the dealer is at fault, you should ALWAYS QT your koi, it's standard practice.

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by Shazz

It is up to the dealers to ensure that their fish are of the highest health standards. In the present climate where, KHV or white spot for example can kill, a dealer must take precautions against spreading unneccesary diseases.

As I see from this website there are a lot of people taking up the hobby for the very first time, there is a lot of inexperience and a lot of learning to be done, some have not got the budget or the facilities to go out and a build a qt pond straight away enough money would have been spent on the build, some people are unaware that they've got to quarantine in the first place. They build their pond now they want to fill it with KOI

They like me have to gradually improve on what we have got to get things right. Therefore we do expect to buy health KOI and the marketplace must cater for this need.

Read the latest Koi Ponds & Gardens where there is an article about KHV and the responsibility of the industry.

How many times have you read about a new koi keeper giving up in frustration because all his Koi keep on dying? It's easy for you to say "To be honest I can't see where the dealer is at fault, you should ALWAYS QT your koi, it's standard practice" sure it is but not all NEW koi keepers are born with this knowledge.

If dealers do not buck up their ideas, they will surely kill off this industry slowing, no customers no money!!!

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by Shazz

AND another thing, When I pay upward from £150 for a Koi I do not expect it to be sick!!!! Neither would anyone else, we're not talking about Goldfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Show/Events - Beware

by Sue

Hi Shazz

I don't agree. It's up to us, the purchasers, to quarantine any new fish.

If they had looked or appeared sick, you wouldn't have bought them. They obviously appeared absolutely fine to you and, therefore, to the dealer also. I bought 2 stunning koi, a couple of months ago and, as you say, these too came with alot of 'baggage'. I didn't quarantine them and so paid the price.

It was MY fault for not quarantining them! I won't do it again!

Sue

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Beware

by Shazz


Oh well, I have also learnt my lession the hard way. And as you say, I will not be buying with QTing first

Shazz

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Quarantine! Would it have helped?

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Hi Shazz.

The trouble is, your new fish may have been perfectly healthy but carriers of pathogoens your existing Koi had never been exposed too hence the problems. Therefore, I am not entirely sure quarantining would have helped here anyway and you could have just as easily delayed the problems by a month or two if my conclusion is correct.

The purpose of quarantine is to make sure your new fish don't harbour disease and to gradualy introduce them to your pond water. If they go through quarantine perfectly OK, its still entirely possible that problems will crop up when introducing them to an existing collection of course.

Quarantine is not the be all and end all people like to pretend it is and many fish die due to inadequate quarantine facilities which actually have to be even better and far cleaner systems than our standard koi pond.

Buying from one reputable dealer is the best advice. All the fish are then used to the same environmental conditions and your new and old fish are less likely to be exposed to something nasty.

Two dealers spring to mind: Koi UK and Yumi Koi. Both high end dealers with solid reputations, a genuine love of Koi and the hobby in general and very freindly and helpful chaps too. I bought a nice Momotaro Tancho from Koi UK this summer and he is doing very well indeed.

Alan.



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Quarantine! Would it have helped?

by Shazz

Thanks for that Alan. Still having problems, had to double the dose of PP last Friday, but still found a live fluke Saturday Evening, persistant little B**gers. My guy is coming around tonight to take another scrape, and if needs be to dip them individually. As I've said a lession learnt the hard way!!!!!

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4" bottom drain

by ron

can anybody give me the max can gph the above will alow with a 6 foot head of water as i need to know if i can tee off before it enters my nexus ta .

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Re: 4" bottom drain

by sean

I think by 6ft of head you mean the BD is 6ft under the surface.
Assuming this to be correct the "head" you are concerned about is the difference between the water level in the pond and water ever the BD feeds, the actual depth of the BD is irrelevant.
You also need to look at the length of the pipe and the number and angle of any bends.
To give you some idea, going from the flow chart of my aquamax 10000 I am shifting somewhere around 1660UKgph through my 4" plumbing, the feed is 33ft or thereabouts long with 2 90deg elbow so the effective pipe length is about 57ft. The level difference driving this flow is 1/2" or thereabouts, this is 'measured' in a sight glass and the level isnt stable so 1/2" is an estimated average.


If you do in fact mean that the surface in whatever the 4" discharges into will be 6ft below pond level then assuming you dont have miles of pipe the flow will be astronomical.
Have a look at http://www.mdminc.com/Friction_Loss_Chart.htm that lists the headloss developed per 100ft of pipe for american pipe and in US gph, divide the flowrates by 1.2 to get UK gph. It will serve to give you approximations. As you may see, if you had a 100ft long feed then a 6ft drop between the pond and whatever would pass well over 20,000UK gph

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Re: 4" bottom drain

by ron

the answer sean is in your first paragraph.from my bd there is a12 foot run into a90 degree swept bendthen a4foot verticle rise into my nexus .this 4foot vert run is where i want to t off so i can add additional filteration at a later date thanks in advance, ron.

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Re: 4" bottom drain

by Anonymous

You should have almost any flow you like then with that set up. I know nothing of the nexus so that's as much as I can say.

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Re: 4" bottom drain

by sean

oops forgot to 'sign' that

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Lidl are doing microscopes again from 29/9/5

by sean

see http://www.yorkshirekoi.co.uk/_forum.php?topic=11929&open=1&neuron=6&page=0

if these are the biolux 40x - 1024x they are a cracking piece of kit for the money, I had one sent from England last time.

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new pond

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please can you help me ive just built a new pond 3500 gallon but im not sure what size pump filter and uv i wil need there are so many around thankyou

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New Pond

by Shazz

You haven't said what system you are using. Are you gravity or pump feed?

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Re: New Pond

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im using a 1500 gph pump at the moment
i allso have 2 bio filters with uv theat i had in my old pond

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Can anyone explain to me why I am currently rearing my 2nd lot of fry this year. 1 lot in May and 1 lot now.

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by Sue

I'm not sure about Koi (mine haven't bred at all yet) but I know my goldfish breed up to 3 times a year. They're like rabbits!

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Algae on Walls

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Over the past couple of weeks we have seen quite an amount of algae growth on the walls of the pond. This seems to be a common problem as the local koi suppliers have this, to a certain extent on their outdoor ponds.

What can be done to keep this to a minimum? Brushing the walls releases much of this into the water where it can be filtered out (over a day or so) before it settles to the bottom.But can this be harmfull to the fish? Is there any aditive that actually works (From reading the magazines, the additives to get rid of blanket weed are not very effective) or just invest in a pondvac and clean the pond regularly?


The general water clarity is good. A little tainted in colour, but I put that down to the plants and soil (lilies and floating oxygenators) in the pond.



Mosaic tiles still to be fixed in place and wall to be painted. The plants will eventually grow to touch the water. Filter box in position but hoses to be tidied (Stainless water feature is very recent).

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Algae on walls

by Paul


Steve, a growth of algae on anything in the pond is normal. If you just have what's termed a short green baize then that's OK. Of course if you have very long & fast growing blanket weed then that's different & you need to decide how you want to try & treat it.

If it's short baize then I'd leave it alone, if not then chemicals may be the answer.

Don't forget that food/fish waste & sunlight all make the green stuff grow faster.

Paul




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