----- Original Message -----
From: elizabeth kostadinova.
To: trygveb@powertech.no
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:23 PM
Subject: regarding if l am a hocks
Dear trygve,
Regarding whether I am a hocks or for real or not.
**** Trygve's response: I have always thought you were for real, though I wondered a little bit about your street address until Chris verified it.
You went public on the Internet to get asisstance, that is how you found me. And I have kept your case public on the Internet so to try to get you more assistance. That is the way I have found suppliers for liquid nitrogen dewars, etc. and hope to find someone that will share with you the cost of setting up a facility. However, one draw back of publicity is that lots of people get to see only bits and pieces of the whole story, and many misunderstandings arise.
Many cryonisists are scared that your case might hurt cryonics. If you had mentioned earlier that your father was embalmed, many more people would have supported you a long time ago.*****
Excuse the way l express myself ,and came acoss to all the other crynonsist,
but didnt realise you are printing all my email on the net for all to read.
****Trygve's response: I have not posted to Internet those e-mails that you have marked as private or confidential or your response to the sign up request form. The rest I have posted to the chagrine of many other cryonisists who don't want to be reminded of your existence.****
As it is a difficult time for me at present with the loss.
And exunpectant death,as people kind of get a little bit irrational,and speak through there
emotion,s the there rational selfs
Asl am learning something new about cryonists every day inregard to the case storys.its interresting
i have read alot of all your messsages amonst eachother.
But mostly read eachother or one another what currenty going on amost eachother,
and l am glad l have some what inspiredyou to go a head and built your own cryonics storage facilcity to accomidate my need and assistence.
but one thing i not sure off .
How do these cryonists or cryonogy centre that are not backed by the goverment
and work interpendently
as its personel choice of wanting to be supended and frozen
how do they even try to bring back some one that has died clinically.
*****Trygve's response: Fact is that the cryonics organizations are not presently doing much of anything to try to bring anyone back. They are trying to improve how they freeze people so to reduce the freeze damage. Bringing anyone back is for the future to try to accomplish. There is however some research being done on freezing live kidneys in the hope of finding a way to freeze and thaw these out in such a way that they are alive and functioning and can be used for transplants afterwards.
l dont quite get the gist of starting a heart or lung that has failed are there ways,?
or is it better to preserve the body,from rotting.
****Trygve's response: presently there are no ways to bring back peoplen that are frozen. All one is trying to accomplish is to stop the further biological brakdown. e.g. the rotting. ****
\lam just wondering whether my father was alive, even after he was pronouced dead.
OR MAYBY THE EMBAMLING PROBABLY FIXED THAT.
*******Trygve's response: Doctor's are usually right when pronouncing someone dead. e.g. the hearth has stopped, there is no breathing and no brain activity.
Some skin cells might still have been alive for a few days at the most.
Of course embalming would kill (and chemically fix) any live cells that the embalming fluids reached. All cells would be long dead by now anyway.*****
I HATE TO IMAGINE THAT MY FATHER WAS IN A DEEP,COMA.
l need really see them check for a pulse, or any signs of life,
BUT VIEWED THE COFFIN DAD VERY STILL AND LIFELESS.
cOULDNT BEAR THAT DAY DIDNT KNOW WHAT TO DO COULD OF DONE LOTS, BEFORE THREW IN THAT AWFUL DARK WHOLE IN THE GROUND CLASSED AS A RESTING SPOT AND CALLED 5THE GRAVE..,AND THEN COMPLETE DEATH NEVER TO BE ORSEE OR SPEAK OR TOUCH OR TO FEEL AGAIN,
EVER TO PUT A PIECE OF FOOD IN YOUR MOUTH AGAIN,
HOW LIFE LESS CAN A HUMAN BEING BECAME AND LEAVE THE REST TO SUFFER IN LIFE IN THE LIVEING NOT FAIR.
THE BAD BIT THAT HE IS DEAD. NOT BREATHING AND EYES SHUT,
BUT WITH TECHNOLOGY TODAY.
IS IT TOO LATE ITS BEEN 3 MONTHS SINCE HE HAS DIED ,YOU KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, DONT WE NEED TO GET HIM IN DRY ICE,AT LEAST,
AS A AM VERY KEEN TO GET HI EXHUMED AND PACKED IN DRY ICE AND GET HIM SHIPPED.
****Trygve's response: If he had not been burried, we could have put him on dry ice until everything could have been worked out. That is the way many other post mortem cases have been handled. However, when a person is buried, one needs the governments approval to get the body exhumed, and to get that one needs a contract with someone willing and able to store the body legally elsewhere, and to get that one needs to prove that one can afford to pay for such storage. There is no doubt in my mind that ACS would have found someone willing to store your father if you had had a lot of cash on hand when he died. As it now stands, I can't sign a contract with you either until we agree upon a solution and you prove that you can afford to implement this, and that your mother agrees to let you do it. E.g. bank statements and written permissions are the proof that is needed.****
BUT EVEN MORE EAGER WISHFUL THINKING,IS THERE A WAY OR PROCEDURE TO RESTORE OR BRING HIM BACK,
JUST LIKE WHAT THE OTHER CRYONIST DO IF IT WAS A CRYONICS PATIENT,
AS WOULD IT BE TOO MUCH TO THINK THAT HE CAN GET RESTORED,OR OPERATED. ON TO BRING BACK, EVEN THOUGH IT BEEN 3 MONTHS IN THE GROUND , IMMPOSSABLE I THOUGHT SO/
AS THIS TO WORK I KNOW IT NEED TO BE TAKEN IMMEDIATELY .
STILL IS THERE SOME HOPE IF HE WAS TAKEN NOW IMMEDIATELY !
TO HELL WITH RELIGIOUS BELIEF SOMEONE MAY HAVE.
DO YOU THINK NOW TO POSSIBLE TO GET THE DOCUMENTATION COMPLETEED,
***Trygve's response: I could write up a contract, we could even negotiate a contract and sign it, but still it wouldn't take effect until you have paid the costs involved in storing your father, and without the financing I don't think the human services in Melbourne would let you have him exhumed and stored on dry ice there either, because without the financing in place he couldn't be shipped anywhere else.*********
JUST HAVEING ONE PROBLEM WITH TRYING TO CONVINCE MY MOTHER ,AS SHE HAS THE OLD WIFES NOTINS ,ONCE YOU DYED LEAVE THE BONES TO REAT AND PEACE AND FOR SOME REASON DONOT BELIEVE
ANTTHING CAN BECAME OF MY FATHYER AFTR HIS DEATH, AND BELIEVED STRONGLY THAT HIS SPIRITS IS AROUND..
THAT IS MAY BE HER WAY OF DEALNG WITH MY FATHER DEATH AND FOR HER TO GET BACK ON WITHN LIFE WiTHOUT HIM,
AS MY SISTER PERSONATILY HAS ALEWAY BEEN BETWEEN MY MOTHERS AND FATHER THOUGHTS,
AND ALWAYS, STRONGY AGGREED WITH THERE IDEAS AND OPINIONS.
I ON THE OTHER HAND LOOK FOR A BETTER AND MORE RATIONAL CHOSSE AND REALISTIC DEVISION, MAKEING.
but still need to convince my mother as to the moral and what wish to achieve by doing this, for dad,
and trying to show her somehow that l wish to keep him from departing completely, and how the best odds in life in bring him back or another maybe, sounds a liitle too coreing but the idea may have some meaning to me somehow.
SO I HAVE SENT YOU THE REGISTRATION FORMS BY EMAIL DID YOU GET THEM?
****Trygve's response: yes I did get your reply. Please read over what you sent me, and try to answer more of the questions. Then please send me the form again.****
so get back to me regarding the process of the documents,
ALSO I NEEDED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HUMAN SERVICES ABOUT THE EXHUMATIONS,
AS THEY REQUIRED MORE DOCUMENJTS TO SEND IN. AS TO THE CONTACT AND WHERE THE BODY IS GOING.
so if you email the conacts and the finanicial aggreements l will get back to you regards to the answer and my decision as to whether to go threw with the whole thing,
l hope i have not caused you too mucjh inconvenience,
YES THE BACK SPELLING ERRORS AND CAPITAL AGAIN ITS AWFUL I AM WORKING ON IT.
AS YOU CAN GATHER I NOT A TYPEIST.
REGARDS
ELIZABETH KOSTADINOVA.
EK1@BIGPOND.COM
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