Hi Trygve,

You've not been very busy since this forum was created, judging by your emails.

Can you give us an update please.

Simon

Given the "crisis" on CryoNet for the past few weeks, and given the solution-- this forum (as well as Kevin Brown's new limit rules), it would be incumbant upon Mr. Bauge to make his presence in his own forum a LITTLE more frequent ESPECIALLY at the beginning stages-- as we're in right now.

As forum editor and creator, Mr. Bauge should commit to at LEAST posting an update once every several days or so-- at this time.

As it is, I've observed that there have been continued multiple postings to CryoNet by Mr. Bauge-- postings that did NOT appear here, in his own forum-- so that his OWN readers have failed to gain the benefit from his output!

May I suggest to Mr. Bauge that he consider posting an update HERE on a frequent basis and, along with that, begin posting a periodic link to this forum from CryoNet. This method is the most elegant solution to a vexing and interesting problem, in my opinion.

I would love to have the few messages I post to Cryonet, show up here at the Forum too.

As of now I have to cut and paste to get this done, and that is cumbersome.

E.g. I write a message here at the forum, then cut and paste this into Outlook express, then edit the message further and e-mails it to cryonet.
That is something I did 2 or 3 times the other day.

However, it would be much easier if one when one write a message to the forum, could add in the header a TO line or a CC line, so that the messages could be sent out at the same time to selected e-mail addresses.
Then one could send the message to those one respond to, and one could even forward the best short message of any one day to cryonet as a teaser.

Rick, I noticed that you forwarded to this forum several messages I and others had sent to you.
So did you have to cut and paste to do that, or is there an easier way?

So Rick, how can one set up the forum so that
messages one send to other e-mail addresses also automatically are posted to a specific thread at this forum, or so that the messages one write to this forum, also are sent out to selected e-mail addresses.

Don't be afraid of telling me, I won't forward everything to the Cryonet, ):

As to frequency,
I was logged onto this forum on the 3/4th of July
and again on the 6/7th of July
and now on the 9/10th,
It is about twice a week,
responding to everything I see each time,
and trying to learn a little more about the controls each time as well.
Isn't that frequent enough?

Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge

Good then, twice a week is roughly your drop-in rate. As long as visitors here understand that, that's good enough.

You should probably put an indication of that-- twice a week-- in the INTRODUCTION part of this forum, at the top.

Now about "cross-posting". I have to say that I see this as completely unneccessary. I NEVER cross post. Everything you see in this forum by me has been PUT here by me. I don't do ANY cutting and pasting. That is a complete waste of time and effort. How can I convince you of that?

The ONLY element that I think you should have that appears in CryoNet is ONE LINK up to ONCE A DAY along with a short descriptive paragraph about what's new here.

THAT method will attract MORE attention than ALL THE CROSS POSTING IN THE WORLD! If you don't believe me, why not just TRY it! Set aside your desire to cross-post and just TRY it my way for one month. You said earlier you'd be willing to try it my way-- well?

Do me a favor-- in return for my setting this forum up for you. Post ONE LINK to here on CryoNet today-- right now-- along with a short paragraph concerning what the new subjects are. If you do this for 7 days in a row, I'll BET you get more visitors here along with MORE interesting and positive comments.

Will you TRY it that way for a month? Forget about cross-posting all together. Where ever you got the idea that cross posting as many messages as you can gains you advantages is beyond me. Quite honestly, when I see multiple cross posted messages in other forums, I curse under my breath and pass right over them.

Boy, it sure takes a lot to convince you of trying something! Sheesh.

I see your point in trying to keep posts as brief as possible, just a few attractive one liners and a link.

O.k. I will try it:

The best is to focus on creating articles of longrun reuseable value and post such to this forum and to my web page.

And then post brief oneliners to other letter circles news groups etc., as links to this forum and my web page.

If I understand you correct, you are saying that
when I respond to someone's post in my forum I should not carbon copy them the response, but hope that they will be back and read the reponse in the forum?

And when rebutting anything on the cryonet,
I could just say: For a rebuttal of the above, visit my forum and its web address.

I have a hard time with the last point, so it is possible that I might stray a little bit there,
I might quote the main rebuttal points, and then state:
for a more elaborate rebuttal visit my forum.

Sincerely,

Trygve

Yes, you're right on all the points above.

Straying from the primary method is to be expected, but you're describing the method well enough now that I think you'll see the benefits yourself and will tighten down the screws as you learn. You'll be running a "tight ship" as they say! And tight ships, as Norweigian ship builders know, keeps that ship from sinking!

When you give someone an opportunity to come back on their own to read your rebuttal to a point that they make, that's the most effective way to display confidence, in my opinion. Other readers will see that you're "sitting back", quite comfortable with yourself. They will see your rebuttal. And the ball will be in the court of the person who made the initial attack.

If THEY reappear, fine. If THEY do NOT reappear, then your point has been made. Check. And mate!!!

Treat your forum, this one, as your castle, and your kingdom. Instead of being a knight, galloping all over the place trying to slay dragons, simply sit on your throne, within these walls, as king, and wait for your attackers to sling arrows while you return the volley.

Invite others to this castle with a simple link or URL-- it doesn't matter that it's not an active link-- along with the 'teaser' or "short, one small paragraph rebuttal" with "More at..." and another URL pointer to this forum.

Thanks for considering trying it this way! Again, I'll be observing things over the next few weeks as you do this and will offer feedback where I sense you might appreciate it. For now, though, "arrivederci!" [Italian, "until we meet again; implies a temporary parting"] It's all in your hands, now!

What if this forum crashes or is closed down?
It would be of value to store the main messages in a backup or mirror site somewhere.
That is one important reason for being able to easily forward or cross post any message!!!!
E.g. the Forum editor should be able to sort the messages chronologically and make a backup of these,
or forward all posts automatically to a letter group or a web site or some other backup media, that is set up with the purpose of being a mirror site or archieve for all past messages.
Otherwise it would be quite a set back each time or when the forum crashes/is shut down. E.g. years of work would then easily be lost.
It would be solved if all posts were automatically forwarded to an e-mail address of the Forum editor's own choice.
Alternatingly I would have to manually cut and paste the most valuable posts, that is cumbersome!Or I would have to have my best articles at my web site, and use this forum to point to my web site.
That way my best posts would eb at my web site and on my computer and my own back up devices,
but the best posts to this forum would not be backed up, neither my best posts or the best posts of others.
How get around this ?

Sincerely,

Trygve

Have you ever heard the phrase "less is more"?
What does that mean to you? Anything?

Let me ask you this? If I were to visit Norway, would I want try to visit as many fijords as humanly possibly? Would that be a good way to see Norway? ... by touring 1000 fijords in a speedboat?

Or would I choose a tour guide and explore one or two fijords thoroughly? ...and get to know a few towns, possibly a few Norweigeian single women... etc.?

Which way would I be able to get to know Norway better?

If you wanted to make an impact on CryoNet readers, is the way to do that by posting as much as humanly possible, cross-posting as much as possible and appearing the maximum number of times allowed?

Or would it be better to post one link a day with a thoughful message that let's CryoNet readers ponder on your statement for a moment and perhaps click on your link of their own free will?

Sometimes, less is more. Get it?

"In der begrentzung zeigt sich der meister."

that is German, and translated it means:

It is in how he limits things (e.g. in his focus on the most essential minimum) that the master shows his skills.

It is akin to finding the most profitable way to solve the task at hand, by leaving out what is unnecessary:
anything but the necessary minimum to best succed at the tasks at hand.

O.k. let us go for it,

and see where a month of focus, takes us.

It is clear that a lot more can be accomplished
by focusing on creating value,
rather than on quarreling with people who have no say in the matter when it comes to your success in the first place.

Sincerely,

Trygve Bauge

I don't know what nationality Lawrence Welk was, but he was European-- and spoke a broken English that an American might identify as German or Norweigian.

At the end of a well-played orchestral performance on his Saturday night shows, he would utter, "Wunnerful, wunnerful".

Your quote in German is right ON. You've got it-- thankfully. Whew! I couldn't have said it better myself. And creating value HERE in THIS forum RATHER than arguing elsewhere is ANOTHER wonderful way to state the case.

There's another wonderful quote that I find useful: "If it is to be, it's up to me". In other words, to create value in this forum will require YOUR dedication and perseverence. I'll certainly be here to answer questions and so on but for the most part, this is YOUR baby.

I'll be looking forward to seeing your daily LINK to this forum and your little description as to what's new here.

I have a friend in cryonics who has told me that "persuasion" doesn't work. I keep telling him that that's not true-- that human beings CAN often be open to reason AND persuasion. I'm glad that I've been able to persuade you to try it my way for 30 days, if only to be able to tell my friend that this is PROOF that persuasion DOES work-- sometimes. Thanks. And good luck.

Oh, by the way-- I WILL be dropping by here to argue AGAINST disinternment and freezing as antying related to cryonics-- and if you like contentious debate, well-- you'll have me to debate on that one. But then, that's one of the purposes of this forum, right?

Okay, good luck. In Norweigian, how do you say?

(Trygve's comment: In Norwegian we would say "Lykke til!", "tvi tvi" or "skitt fiske", the latter is more used when you go fishing.)

Rick Potvin wrote:

>If you wanted to make an impact on CryoNet readers,
>is the way to do that by posting as much as humanly
>possible, cross-posting as much as possible and
>appearing the maximum number of times allowed?
>
>Or would it be better to post one link a day with a
>thoughful message that let's CryoNet readers ponder
>on your statement for a moment and perhaps click on
>your link of their own free will?
>
>Sometimes, less is more. Get it?

The goal has not been to post as much as possible to the cryonet, but rather to find a way to post everything related to setting up a facility in Norway and everything related to any suspension case I might be working on.
And to post it in such a way that most other cryonisists would at least be aware of where it is posted, and easily could find and respond to this.

It would be of value to have a forum where different cryonic related topics easily can be followed in threads that last over time, and this forum seems like such a means.

Trygve

It is Summer time here in Norway,
Yesterday the weather was gorgeous and my girl friend and I went swimming.
Today it is cloudy, which means that all those who want me to upgrade this forum, get lucky.
So here I am, in front of the computer for the rest of the evening.

Sincerely,

Trygve

Trying to respond to everything at this forum, is quite time consuming too,

Now I have been at it for 8 1/2 hours, and I still have one more message to respond to
and another message worth upgrading.
I think I will switch to writing and upgrading posts on specific topics and just refer to such posts in brief responses to what others post, such a behaviour seems more valuable than responding systematically to each post.

Sincerely,

Trygve

I think you've got a good sense of how to use this forum now. It's actually both methods that do the best:

1. Write and update your own posts on specific topics.

2. Respond to posts made by others.

You shouldn't have to feel as though you need to respond to EVERY post made by others, even here in your own forum. It's okay to "let 'er rip", in other words. I think the main thing is that you feel comfortable with what's being said and that you've rebutted it elsewhere on the forum.

I think it's VERY productive and a GOOD idea to write and update your own posts on specific topics. That's one of the PRIMARY ways I use MY forums! Good thinking. Keep up the good work.