This thread will attempt to delineate how to go about reconstituting the deanimated and buried Australian that is the subject of Trygve Bauge's interest... and will actually make some attempt to do it.

First off, we'll need his name! Who are we talking about?

Secondly, where are his family photo albums?

Third, in what cemetary is he buried?

This thread will likely grow very fast and be formidable-- but I think we can do it all right here. Network54 is pretty darn good about free space. It would make sense, though, to download hardcopy or softcopy as we go along.

Pictures and audio can be uploaded to this forum as well. This forum therefore, will become the deanimated Australians' reconstitution.

The degree of decay of structure in the deanimated subject is probably so extreme that there may not be ANY "individually unique" microstructure left. Morticians' trade magazines, or other sources of data on how bodies disintegrate, while in a coffin, need to be compiled here. The time it takes to do that is worth it, given the nature of the request and the unresolved definitions of cryonics.

An official organization that speaks, in general, for "cryonicists"-- needs to be created-- much like the professional organization of "cryobiologists" that speaks for them. The Society of Cryonicists should be formed from top ranking members of existing cryonics organizations. This society should define what is meant by "cryonics" and what is NOT meant by "cryonics", both from a technical and a legal point of view. At the very least, the Society of Cryonicsts will deem as what is "acceptable" to the Society of Cryonicists as "cryonics".

I think that there will have to be an element of "premeditation" involved in "cryonics". Even "last minute" cases are "premeditated"-- but "after the fact" cases are NOT premeditated and therefore will NOT be called "cryonics". I haven't thought this through, entirely, so there's still some weakness in the argument here.

Personics is a word I just coined. I don't know if anyone else is using it right now. I might have to change it but for now, it's interesting.

Personics would involve the "structual and informational salvaging of a person-- from any possible condition whatsoever".

Cryonics will be at the top end of a personics effort. What Bauge is trying to do will be further back on the scale and will not be "cryonics", but will STILL be "personics".

The categories of personics will still have to be defined, but will inevitably be a "messy" mix of salvaging operations that will ultimatley BE quite interesting and valuable-- and may EVEN become useful to cryonics!

Instead of calling what Bauge is doing "Bauge's Bogus Cryonics", I'll now be referring to his plan as "Bauge's Personics Effort".

Kevin Brown refuses to edit CryoNet. The furthest he has gone in this direction is to limit posts/day and size/post. He has established the fact, in other posts, that he intends to keep the entire CryoNet record intact-- forever, as I understand it. CryoNet is, therefore, a perfect place to set up a "personics" effort.

The deanimated Australian's biography, concievably, could be published-- permanently-- in CryoNet-- in "installments" of one post per month of the maximum size of post allowed. This would enable the process to be acceptable by CryoNet community standards, yet still take advantage of Brown's attempt to maintain Cryonet forever, thus permanentizing the biography. By taking advantage of this avenue of effort, Bauge would demonstrate "good faith" in his effort to "rescue" the personality of his possible "client".

Consistent with this effort, I would say that CryoNet would be a good place to begin to create a James Bedford personic effort-- and to continue with everyone currently suspended by currently accepted cryonics community standards. Logically, though, CryoNet could concievably become a personic "headquarters" for anyone interested in informational based recovery efforts for anyone they want-- including themsevles.

One might argue that that was not the original purpose of CryoNet, but off-topic posts have become so frequent and accepted, that pushing the envelope in the direction of personics muddies the water sufficiently that a case could arguably be made that using CryoNet for such a purpose would be completely within the stated purpose of CryoNet. I'm not going to DO that-- I'm simply speculating HERE, OFF CryoNet, as to what MIGHT be possible.