Hey! I have a new theroy! I got this out of the Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the mysteries of Harry Potter. This is long and directly from the book:
"Remus J Lupin
In the legend of Romulus and Remus, Remus was killed by his brother (or his brothers followers).
Remus Lupin may actually be dead. The Remus J. Lupin we know may be James Potter switched into Lupins body.
J.K.R. dropped hints all over the place about the Lupin septology mystery. She has made it clear there is something very special about Lupin. In interviews, such as with the BBC, she says t was Lupin that made book three so important to write.
Book 1 evidence is:
How did Dumbledore get James' Invisibility cloak and how did Hagrid get the key to the Potters vault?
Book 2 evidence is:
UNlike everyone else, Lupin never stared at Harrys scar or never mentioned his resemblence to James.
(Ch.5)
Lupin simply adresses Harry by name as if he were already very fimiliar with him.
Lupin seems to be able to read Harrys mind. (Ch.8)
We have found that the characters appear to do that when they have "inside" information, or a close relationship with each other.
Harry tells Lupin that when a Dementor gets near him he hears his mum being murdered by Voldemort. On hearing this, Lupin made "a sudden movement with his arm, as though to grip Harrys shoulder, but thought better of it." Lupin may be relating to Harrys emotions or his own, but he is trying to distance himself from Harry. There is no reason why he should stop himself from just gripping Harrys arm if he were Lupin. Somethig here is affecting him too.
Trelawney said that Lupin "positively fled when I offered to crystal gaze for him-" (Ch.11)
He's obviosly affraid of something. We might have thought he was just afriad she would discover that he's a werewolf; however, we later learned that the whole staff already know's this.
When Harry tells Lupin he is hearing his mums voice louder, Lupin looks "paler that usual." Harry then tells Lupin how he hears his dad's voice for the first time trying to hold off Voldemort so his mother could escape. "Your heard James?'said Lupin in a strange voice." (Ch.11)
Hearing about Lily didnt make him sad, it made him "pale." Why would Lupin react so oddly to harry hearing James? He might of because of the odd sircumstances-he relised it wasnt James saying it.
Prof. Lupin who was both "shaken and pleased," comes over to congradulate Harry on his spectacular patronus. (Ch.13)
Lupin was shaken from what we later learn is James own animal he transforms into.
Prof. Lupin enters the room in a "shower of red sparks." (Ch.17)
A true Gryffindor...
"I certainly dont want Harry dead..." "An odd shiver passed over his face." (Ch.17)
Thats not just a teacher to friend saying that.
Lupin: "now that we could all transform." (Ch.18)
Why wouldn't he say, "Now that they could all transform"?
Lupin has "no hesitation" about what Harrys father would think. (Ch.18)
Why is he so sure about what Harrys father would think?
Lupins first name is Remus-the legendary wolf-child who was murdered by his brother and his brothers followers. (Such as Pettigrew?)
Harrys father, James, could now be stuck inside the body of one of his closest (but dead) friends. He has had to live like this for 12 years, hiding from Voldemort and his followers. James is now, for all intents, Remus Lupin (complete with werewolf transformations).
He is unable to reveal his identity (especially now that Voldemort has been seen again), and is paranoid that his own emotions will make his weak and he will let the truth slip. He wants so badly to touch his son but he doesnt dare (sob!).
Now, this is how it all could have happened (also directly from the Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter:
Prongs lives! I believe that all four mapmakers did appear (in some form) on the Hogwarts grounds that night in Ch.21 book 3! I really think that Harrys father actually was there, too!
What probably happened to James and Remus:
Thinking that they had doubts of the reliability of Black (their secret keeper for the Fidelius Charm), James and Lupin might have taken one extra precaution. Using a Switching Spell, they managed to switch identities. This was done without the knowledge of anyone else (with the possible exception of Lily, who might have done it).I doubt that even Dumbledore (who never knew they were Animagi) had been told.
After the switch. Lupin (looking like James) stayed in their house, while James (looking like Lupin) left.
Voldemort attacked, and Lupin (looking like James) was killed. Having no body to switch back to, James was now stuck inside the body of the werewolf, Remus Lupin.
With everyone thinking he is Lupin, James is (at least for the moment) safe from Voldemort, who is convinced he is dead. Even though James has to live the painful life of a werewolf, at least he is not being hunted by Voldemort or his followers. Therefore, Sirius (who he know knows as innocent of betraying him) may be the only one he will trust with the information.
The reason James and Lupin had to go to that extreme is, of course, unknown and might be at the heart of this septology mystery. I have been told that, for some reason, Voldemort wants to kill all of the Potters. There is somethig very important about keeping James and Harry alive.
Now I understand why Jkr gave us all those hints. Thinking about this makes the mystery even more excruciating! The suspence is worse than ever!
This is what the books direct sayings were. I didnt believe it at first but now I think it just might be true. What do ya'll think? I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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WOW!! good theory and you have a lot to back it up too! I like it in someways but then agian I don't know if it would be that great in the story. But this could very well be.
*Rica
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Many people on this board don't buy into that theory because of the cruelty of it. If Lupin really is James, then that is just terrible, I would have lost all my respect for James because he was alive, and didn't let his son know, even when he was near death sevral times. I hate this theory, and I hope it isn't true.
*It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid...
Than to open it and remove all doubt*
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he couldnt tell harry that he was his father. especially now that voldemort is back. it would put them all in danger. i just dont understand y he would switch bodies and leave his wife, child, and friend in danger. but if it really is true, then harry will have a father...
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I don't like this theory either, although the argument is impressive. I agree with Sparklestar, if James was alive and he is the Gryffindor we have been lead to beleive that he is, he would never have let the Durselys mis-treat his son all these years. He would also have made some attempt to clear Sirius from prison. Otherwise, he is no better that Wormtail. Remeber that Voldemort was totally incapacitated for 10 years. There would have been no threat to James. The Death-eaters have been pretty silent while V was underground.
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I don't really like this theory either. Isn't it Harry they are supposed to be protecting? Why would he leave Harry and Lily to be killed by Voldemort, while he escaped? That sounds like treachery to me.
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For either Lily or James to be alive would be cruel and very wrong, not only because of leaving Harry with Dursley's, but because any kid who has lost a parent and identified with Harry would feel totally ripped off if there was a "happily ever after" type of ending. JKR is too smart for that, besides - she's said in interviews that Harry's parents were both dead and we would not see them return in any way. I'd say that covers it, basically.
While I'm at it - she's also said that the character she killed off in book5 (Sirius) is dead and will not return either. I know many people want to think that he too, switched with Lupin at the very last minute.
Nope, the only thing that James and Lily are now is fertilizer.
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I'm afraid this theory is brought up every month or so. For all the reasons already posted, I really, really don't like it. I couldn't get into the idea that James ran off and hid while leaving his wife and child (the potential subject of the prophecy which SURELY Dumbledore mentioned to them) in order to save his behind. Further, if he then sat back and watched his only son suffer terribly at the hands of his worthless, abusive relatives, just to maintain the cover over the aforementioned behind, that would just be sick. Then, of course, there is the whole issue of allowing Harry to go on those many, painful years without a shred of hope. All this, done to protect himself? That would be a terrible James. I can't imagine that there is any truth in the theory. If there is, than none of the books make a grain of sense.
People know what they do; they frequently know why they do what they do; but what they don't know is what what they do does.
- Michael Foucault, 'The Order of Things'
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yeah! that would be really evil!! I think (and hope) that James died trying to protect his wife and son, he didn't run like a coward leaving his family and friend behind.
Basides, remember the Mirror of Erized (however you spell it)?? when Harry saw his parents, his dad definitely wasn't Remus. Well, you say that they switched bodies? that wouldn't have mattered cuz Harry's dream was to know HIS parents, so if Remus was his dad, he would have seen the image of Remus and Lily.............. well... maybe not....... ok I'm getting confused... but that theory CAN'T be true.
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doesn't he remind you of Sirius sometimes? SIRIUS IS SEXY!
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ya, i no that it would be cruel (if this is it) but if it is then JKR better have a good explenation. i said that it just might be true, but id rather james die trying to save harry and lily. if this really is true, id like to know why James would leave liliy, harry, and lupin to the hands of voldemort. i just dont know
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Well, as everyone already pointed out, this is a very popular theory. I think its an example how JKR can write almost anything that can be interpreted into hundreds of theories.
And I agree completely with Sandy's sentiments. I know quite a few fathers. They would die for their children. As far as we know now, James DID die to protect his family. If he suddenly popped up, it means he let his best friend and his wife die...and nearly killed Harry...to live. I just can't see JKR making an argument that would convince me James wasn't a monster after that.
"I never gave anyone Hell. I just told them the truth and they thought it was Hell."
-Harry Truman
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I absolutely HATE HATE HATE this theory with a passion! It is heartless and full of so many holes.
JKR wouldnt do this to the Fans and I certainly dont see her putting Harry in a heartbreaking situation like that! However, if she did...... It'd make me sick to my stomach.
Sirius would have known something as big as that - because even if James and Lupin had swtiched bodies without telling anyone, James and Sirius were the best of friends there's no way something like that would be able to be kept a secret - Sirius would be able to tell something was different since he knew James so well.
Then If he DID indeed know, Sirius wouldnt have been as cut up about the death of James as he was!
"Now Now Draco... Play nicely"
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Also, maybe I could understand that James couldn't see Harry because he was trying to protect him. But don't you think that James would have done SOMETHING for him. Like, I don't know, send him anonymus birthday presents or somthing? But how would James pretending to be dead protect Harry anyway? There really is no point in switching in the first place, and even if they did, James could still be part of Harry's life. Even if Harry had to live with the Dursleys because Petunia's his mothers blood, James could still visit Harry everyonce in a while. James maybe could even by a house in the neighborhood or somthing (I would say have james live with them, but I don't think the Dursley's would let him). Anyway, that's my opinion on it.
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you all are right about the whole James would be a terrible person. but if this is it, which i doubt, then all im saying is JKR better have a really good explanation. i would never have thought of this, i just got this out of a book: the Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter. i really am not pro or against it. i am undecided if i want it or not.
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I hate that theory too. Lupin is my second favourite character and it would ruin the series for me if he had been dead from the beginning and the person we thought was Lupin, was just some heartless monster-thing. Sirius risked (and later lost, sniff sniff) his frikkin life for Harry and he's "only" his godfather. James is Harry's father for goodness sakes and should love him even more!!
But enough with the reasons why I hate the theory, here's foolproof evidence that this theory is impossible:
The reason why Lupin didn't know Peter was the secret keeper instead of Sirius is because James and Sirius suspected him to be a spy, so they didn't tell him. Why would James switch bodies with someone he thaught was a spy? Or if he switched bodies before the Fidelius Charm was cast, why would Lupin suspect James of being a spy?
In other words; no way this is possible! Sorry, James-fans!
While you do have a lot to back the theory up, and it is quite impressive, I personally don't see that happening. If James was as brave as everyone says he wouldn't have someone take the fall for him. And if he was as loyal as everyone says, then he wouldn't have let Sirius, his best friend, rot away in prison. He would also have been an awful father to let all of that happen to his son, and not have been there for hardly any of it.
you are the cute but psycho happy bunny. You adorable, but a little out there. It's alright, you might not have it all, but there are worse
I dont even wanna consider this theory: i always thought James was the second coolest person in the whole book (sirius is number 1) and he just cant - cant - be such a mean and heartless guy who would leave his own son, wife and best friend in the hands of lord voldemort just to save his behind... i mean, i really cant see any reason why he should be so well protected: i could have understood Harry, but we know james cant kill voldy so why make so much of an effort to be alive?
at first i have to say i thought the idea was pretty cool: harry finally having a parent and all; but now that I think about it, i just dont want it to happen. I imagine the night at Godric's Hollow James that instead of focusing his strength on voldy he tries with all his might to save his family... why make his own best friend die in his place?
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I dont know about this one. If James really leave Harry and Lilly it would have been to possibly kill Voldeort. I always thought that James was a really good guy.
I have also read the book in question, and if you rember, they thpugh that it might have something to do with why Voldy killed Harry. Haveing read the book befire the phropecy was reavieled, I belived it, but now that we know why Volything went after the Potters, that would mean that James was just being a coward, because he knew about the prophecy. No purpose would have been fufilled from Lupin dying, and James cared about his friends more than that.
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I hate to be mean, but this theory is utterly wrong, and half of your reasons are completely illogical.
Lupin was one of James' and Lily's best friends, therefore, of course he would feel fatherly towards Harry, and feel troubled that Harry was describing the deaths of two of his best friends.
In the third book, when Lupin says that all 4 of the friends were there that night, where was Lupin? If his body is considered James, then where was he?
As for the Invisibility cloak and the key, Lily and James wouldn't have really needed them while at Godric's Hollow, would they? Therefore, in order to protect Harry's future, they could have given them to Dumbledore for safe keeping. Or, they could've been found in the house by Dumbledore.
Trelawney's an idiot, and Lupin knows it. Who's to say she wouldn't announce to the class that he was a werewolf?
A shower of red sparks? Please! That one's obvious. Lupin was a Gryffidor too.
Of course he doesn't want Harry dead! He's his best friends' kid! He feels like a father to Harry.
He knows what James would think because they were best friends. Sirius knows what James would think too, does that make him James?
The name is probably just derived from the werewolf part of the story. If J.K. was to follow the story completely, then Lupin's siblings would have killed him, and he didn't have siblings.
Why would it be such a disaster to reveal who he is to the Order? He's revealed everything else. The fact that he's a werewolf, and that James and Sirius thought he was a spy all those years ago.
Of course Voldemort wants to kill all the Potters! or else the profecy couldn't come true.
Which brings me to another point. What about the prophecy? The prophecy didn't actually come true if James isn't dead. Harry's parents haven't "thrice escaped Voldemort." This would completely unravel the entire story line of the 5th and 6th books, and henceforth, I don't think one book is enough time to put it all back together again.
Then the last question would be Why? Why on earth would James do such a thing? There is really no point to it. He wouldn't switch and leave his wife and son to die. If he would've switched anyone it would be Harry! James isn't a coward who would go to such extereme lengths to save his own neck, with no consideration for his family.
And I just thoughts of one more thing. Lupin and Tonks are dating. I personally vision James and being exteremely loyal to Lily, and therefore not dating anyone else after her death, even if 16 years have past.
THat's all the reasons that prove your reasons, and your theory, incorrect. Sorry to dissappoint you, but it is very false.
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Another point that I could have sworn I wrote, but I guess not. James and Sirius thought that Lupin was a spy. Why on earth would he changed bodies with a spy?
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OMG, I posted this close to 3 years ago. I can't believe that people are still commenting on it. We really need to get some new material on here. OK, it's not true, that was confirmed, like, forever ago. Let's move on.
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