In book 3 Sirius is saved by Harry going back in time. Why didn't they do it agian? I believe that (unfortunately) Sirius' destiny was to die and in book 3 it could be postponed but not changed as the magical world has some kind of self-controlled eqilibrium (otherwise Voldemort would be killed as baby, etc).
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Let me put this in nice capital letters to make you understand:
SIRIUS IS DEAD
It is too late now. He cant come back. Hang on. I've found something...
"But past an hour, the prospect's BLACK
To late its gone, it won't come back..."
Hmm.... Spooky... Take heed of the above. You may learn something...
Ummm.......I think that this person was just trying to rationalize WHY Sirius died, not saying that he could come back. Which, believe it or not, I think this reason is a good one. If he was destined to die, then it can't be stopped from happening because it eventually will. But you're right, there's no sense in trying to change it because something bad will just happen again.
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Whatever. I thought it sounded like she/he was trying to find a reason to bring him back. But don't you think the quote from HP4 was a little weird...?
"In book 3 Sirius is saved by Harry going back in time. Why didn't they do it agian?"
That last answer says that she/he thinks they should use a time turmer to bring him back like in the 3rd book.
But then she goes on to say WHY it wouldn't be a good idea to try it again. It's fine, you took it one way, I took it another. No big deal
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J.K made a mistake making the time turners in the books. It brings up many questions. Like when Voldemort was killing people couldn't Dumbledore go back in time the second he heard the news and battle Voldemort off saving the people from dieing. I don't mean every single person but still he could have saved lives that way.
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Very true. She left way too many possibilites, but didn't follow through. I think that in the case of the time turner, we are better off without it. Too bad she did imagine it, though.
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Orange Bananna.... " I believe that (unfortunately) Sirius' destiny was to die and in book 3 it could be postponed but not changed as the magical world has some kind of self-controlled eqilibrium"
Meaning that the "why didn't they do it again" was a rehtorical question leading on to the explanation of why they didn't.
In a way, this theory makes sence, but then again... wouldn't death be following Harry at all times because he should have died as a baby?
Then i think, you mean because they used the time turner. Hmmm...
In a way, I think Dumbledore is can read the future, which would explain why he let them use a time turner to save Sirius. It would also explain why he didn't save Lily and James.
Explanation: If Dumbledore could see the future, he would have known, before Lily and James' death how big a part Harry would play in the fight against Voldemort. Also, if Lily and James didn't die, Lily couldn't save harry, therefore the Prophecy would be over already.
The reason he let them save Sirius, is because he saw Sirius's part in Harry's future (in his fourth and fifth year) and therefore, helped the future along.
I dunno. It's all weird. Maybe Sirius's death did something. Can we please just all prey Bella dies!
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On the subject of the imfamous time turner. It does seem to bring up an endless list of questions. What surprised me was that there were time turners, again, in book 5. They were hanging on the wall in the Dept. of Mysteries. I would have thought that if the time turner idea had proved to be to problematic, that JKR would not have written them in again. It was almost as though she was foreshadowing yet another use of them. If she does use the time turner again, I would guess that we get some more explaination, such as how far back in time one can go.
But..no matter the explanation, it just seems a really bad idea.
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Ha, just imagine, the whole series ends with them using a timeturner and going back and stopping Voldey before he killd Harry's parents. Now that would get a fan reaction.
*It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid...
Than to open it and remove all doubt*
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Guys, we're all destined to die! from the day we are born we begin to die! (morbid huh?).
The timeturner was a definite mistake!
But reading the posts above, I began to think - I'm not sure who brought it up exactly (credit to them though) but if Lily hadnt have sacrificed herself for Harry, the curse wouldnt have deflected and Harry wouldnt have the scar (assuming the scar is the mark of being Voldy's equal) and therefore the prophecy wouldnt have been partly fulfilled. So I'm wondering if the scar really is the mark.
I know we've been through this a million times and IMO Harry is the one, not Neville. But there seem to be more and more holes popping up in JKR's plot than I think she intended! I just hope it all makes sense in the end!
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Buckbeak never died- the howling was HAgrid in joy, and the ax sound was McNair throwing it in frustration. They saved him before he was killed- it's just that the kids who were there in real time didn't know they'd be going back in time to save him- it's really confusing, and I'm not nearly eloquent enough to explain it. Either way, Buckbeak never died, so they didn't use the time-turner to bring him back to life. They used it to save him. They can't use it to save Sirius, because if they had, they would've seen their future selves. It's all really complicated...
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I was very busy all summer long. I only just looked this page up agian the other day and decided to start posting agian. I don't know how frequently I will be here but you will be seeing me more than you have been recently (which was zero). Anyway, I'm glad to be back! I'll be seeing you around! (The forum that is).
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Christina, I've tried to explain just that before but as you say, it's really difficult and complicated. I've written some pretty long posts on the subject before, although it was a long time ago.
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Okay........!st of all the series is NOT over..the Time-Turner might still have an importance. Second of all if Harry didnt use it he might have forgotten about it or new it would be too hard to find it again...because obviously they couldn't find it again.
J.K. Rowling always seems to have a secret plan......
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Okay........!st of all the series is NOT over..the Time-Turner might still have an importance. Second of all if Harry didnt use it he might have forgotten about it or new it would be too hard to find it again...because obviously they couldn't find it again.
J.K. Rowling always seems to have a secret plan......
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Mabye you cant use a time turner to bring someone back from the dead. Sirius wasn't dead in the third book, he was just WAITING to die. But since he was dead in the fifth book, mabye a time turner wouldn't work, it would just screw up the present.
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Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
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"Definitely," said George.
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To correct my last message, Sirius wasn't waiting to die, he was just waiting to get his soul sucked out of is mouth (like that is any more pleasant). Sorry for the mix up.
Also, I think we all know that Sirius died for a reason. I mean, JKR didn't just wake up one morning and be all like "I'm getting sick of Sirius, I think I'll kill him off today." She has known about Sirius from the begining of book 1. She knew that he would come close to death (sorta death, only not) and that Harry and Hermione would save him. And she knew that in the fifth book he would die. She had that all planned out and whatever possible thing we try to do to make Haryr able to save him isn't going to work. He is gone forever. Harry just will have to accept that Sirius is dead and that it wasn't his fault that Sirius died. He needs to know that Sirius would have wanted to die fighting, not lying in some bed-old and sick. (Woh, sorry for going all shrink-like here. Didn't realise what I sounded like)
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
If life gives you lemons...THROUGH THEM AT SOMEONE!
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Angelouque Hannah, or however it is spelled. When you respond to a thread either respond to the first original post, or the very last responce to a thread. That way it puts your responce to the thread at the bottom and it lets people see it without having to go and scroll threw the thread to find a thread with a newer date and time then the rest of the responces then the rest of them.
And as to what you said, no the series is not over. But JK did say he is perminately dead. So he isn't coming back. And Hermione had to hand the time-turner back in anyway, she doesn't still have it, so it isn't as simple as looking around your bedroom for it.
I agree that she should never have included the time turners. With the power to turn back time you can do anything really. Like, Harry could go back in time to save his parents. But, it's illegal isn't it? The whole time turning thing. And with Fudge in charge is there any way he'll let Dumbledore turn back time for some 'cock and bull story' as he would put it? I guess JKR was kinda hoping that no-one would notice this slight glitch which could prevent the whole evil taking over good thing though. However, if Voldemort really is powerful then surely he'd be able to turn back time and then use it for his own purposes. Which of course completely defeats the object of Harry Potter and ruins JKR's plot so maybe she should just have never included the time turners. Which would ruin Book 3. A vicious cycle.
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