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Snape - Speculate

May 14 2004 at 11:56 AM
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MadEye  (Login MadEye)

 

Snape –

 

We have discussed Snape to death, but here I go again.  JKR virtually shot down two of the best (IMO) theories about Snape in her last online chat.  They were:

 

Snape is Voldemorts son

Harry: Has Voldermort any children
JK Rowling replies -> No. Voldemort as a father... now that's not a nice thought.

AND

Snape is a vampire

Megan: Is there a link between Snape and vampires?
JK Rowling replies -> Erm... I don't think so.

 

Both theories, when fully layed out, would have explained a lot about Snapes attitudes, motives and actions. 

 

What does that leave us with?

 

There is the theory that Snape is Harry’s relative.  I can’t say that I’ve ever liked this theory for several reasons:

 

Lily is supposed to be muggle-born .  This could be a lie, but as far as we know, she is.  If she’s related to Snape, then he could not be ‘pure-blood’.  I don’t know how many muggle-born Death-Eaters Voldy took on, but I’m guessing the answer is zero.  Again, it could be a plot twist.  

 

Snape was probably a Slytherin, however, we don’t know that (I don’t think) and although the sorting hat would have put Harry (a muggle-born) in Slytherin, my guess is that not many muggle-borns end up there.  Again, Snape certainly could be an exception.

 

It seems that we’re back to having no way to judge Snape and his intentions except for his outward actions which have been deliberately confusing.

 

Away one care to speculate? 


 
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Narcissa
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May 14 2004, 12:22 PM 

Snape was in Slytherin. It says so in the book somewhere, plus the fact that he called Lily a "filtthy mudblood" makes me think they're of no relation, he was a pureblood, and that he hated her as Mudblood is the equivelent to a racial slur in the books. (saying this now to avoid the "he was in love with her!" thing)

Also, he knew more dark magic coming into his first year than most seventh year students. This tells me his father must have at least been a dark wizard. Lucius would have been in his 6th year or 7th year when Snape had started, and I'm assuming from the lapdog comment that Lucius had quickly became someone he had looked up to.

The Voldy as father can't be comepletly tossed either. Voldemort was once a man - Tom Riddle. After all the changes he was no longer the same - so this could be the twist - Riddle could have been his father, and she might have been answering no as the question was only about Voldemort. (probably because of all the people who concluded Harry or Hermione were his children in other sites)

My suspicion is that Snape's father is that hook nosed old man who looked familiar to Harry in the Hog's Head. That would explain Trelawney being overheard - Snape was there (hypothetically).

 
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May 14 2004, 12:23 PM 

I am actually quite disappointed that neither of these theories panned out (especially the vampire one). There could have been so much fun with those. However, the telling may have waranted the creation of another book.

According to the Lexicon (All Hail the Mighty Lexicon) and, I believe, OotP, Snape was a Slytherin when he was a student at Hogwarts.

As for me, I personally think that Snape wants to be on whatever side wins, so he is playing both sides right now. Somehow, he has Dumbledore's trust (now THAT'S a story I want to read), yet he is still allowed membership as a Death Eater, probably saying he is spying of the Order for the Voldemort.

Whatever the case, I'm sure JKR has at least one surprise about Snape that she is just itching to tell us

 


 
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May 14 2004, 12:26 PM 

Oh, and apparently, I can't type English anymore:

saying he is spying of the Order for the Voldemort --> saying he is spying on the Order for Voldemort


 
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May 14 2004, 2:29 PM 

Well, in all the therioes I've heard about Snape being Harry's reletive, he's always related to Lily. However, don't you think it might make more sense if Snape was related to James. It might explain why in the pensive scene, James says (I'm paraphrasing here) "Because he exists". Maybe James' sister or somthing got pregnent with Snape. She could have moved in with Snape's dad, who we know from one of Snape's memories is abusive. James probably wouldn't like that sitiuation and he might blame Snape for causing his sister (or other random reletive) pain. It also might make Snape hate James even more, becuase he might have been jelous that James was part of the richer, nicer side of the family. Does this theroy sound plausible?



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May 14 2004, 2:34 PM 

I doubt Snape got anyone pregnant at the age of fifteen, which was about the age of them when the "because he exists" coment was made.

 
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May 14 2004, 2:40 PM 

I didn't say Snape got anyone pregneat. Snape's dad did.



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May 14 2004, 2:42 PM 

Sure looks that way.

Petunia is the last living relative of Harry's. I think there can't be a relation in any way, and if there were Dumbledore would have told him when he told him everything else.

 
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May 14 2004, 2:52 PM 

Now that I'm looking back at my post, it does sort of look like I meant Snape got someone pregenat. I ment that someone became pregenant with Snape. And maybe Dumbledore didn't tell Harry that he had another relative because he didn't know. Snape and James probably would have been ashamed of being related, and I don't think they'd talk about it much. Then again, it seems like both men would trust Dumbly enough to tell him somthing like that, so I don't know.

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May 14 2004, 3:24 PM 

She may have been lying to us too. Snape as a vampire does make some sense, especially after all the descriptions of him doing bat like things.

 
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May 14 2004, 4:31 PM 

I was never fond of the vampire theory to begin with, but I don't think she was lying. We've had a look at what her vampires look like - Harry said that seeing Sirius the first time reminded him of the pictures he had seen in his textbooks: sunken eyes, waxy pale skin... starved - doesn't really fit Snape's profile. He's thin but not skinny - and sallow does NOT mean pale regardless of what people say in fics. It's a more of a yellowish complexion like a bad tan or one of those tans you get in a bottle.


 
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May 14 2004, 8:00 PM 

To start off with, it's been almost a good year since i finished reading OOTP, as i'm just about to start reading it again and i've been swamped with school texts to read. So alot of the technicalities and details have become hazy.

I never saw Snape as a vampire, and i'm actually glad JKR dismissed it. And i think theres no way she'd outwardly LIE to her fans, that just doesn't seem like the professional thing to do. She tends to beat around the bush somewhat - but not lie.

But i definately think there's something about Snape we are yet to know - something big. The fact he seems to be playing both sides seems interesting too. But Dumbledore trusts him, and we know he once was a death eater.. what did Snape do to win D'dore's trust? What made him turn from bad to good?

As for the whole relation to Harry thing - i think it's possible. But maybe in a distant way. There's just so many clues and he's been such a prominant figure in harry's life ever since he started at Hogwarts, there must be a reason for that.

 
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May 14 2004, 8:41 PM 

Wouldn't it just be messed up if Harry was somehow related to Snape and then when the series was done, Harry and Snape lived together(like Harry and Sirius were going to)?

 
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May 14 2004, 9:06 PM 

Narc I like your point about Voldemort v/s Riddle.  I had forgotten about that, and, of course Riddle could have easily fathered Snape before becoming the snake-like Voldemort.  (The bad part of that idea is that Riddle started calling himself Voldemort-secretly- while at Hogwarts).  But, I agree that a case could be made that he didn't make the physical transformation for some time.  I'd really like to think that's it, because I like that theory a lot.  Particularly since the hook nosed man would resemble Riddles father, and, like father like son.  Rowling is constantly reminding us of Harry and Lily's eyes being so similar. 

 


 
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May 15 2004, 9:42 AM 

I must say I have never warmed to either of those theories involving Snape.

The whole idea of Voldemort being anyone's father (or riddle for that matter) just makes me think of one sentence...

"Luke I am your father!"

This isn't starwars, and while Voldemort being Snape's father might make some sence, I still can't help but think it would be a rip off of Starwars. And one of the things I pride Harry Potter on is that it is SO different from all other storylines.

The whole thing about Snape being a vampire...
I know people have brought up very well thought out plots that work well, but it still just seems a bit weird to me. Snape is a well respected man with certain people, including Dolores Umbridge for a long time... We all know Dolores Umbridge's opinion on dark creatures. She hates them! She wouldn't tolerate Snape if she knew. Maybe she didn't know... well, what about Dumbledore? Did he know? Does anyone know? I don't really think it would work. Lucius, apparently someone very close to Snape from the way Snape treats Draco would know... and he does not involve himself in anyone less than pureblood.


With Snape, I merely think the only ideas that work are that his father was a very dark Wizard. - Probably a lot like the Black Family. - They believe Voldemort had the right idea, but didn't want to join... and then Snape did join.

I dunno, I just don't think there is anything more complicated with snape's relatives.

 
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May 16 2004, 7:01 PM 

I am shocked that the Snape/vampire thing didn't happen I was so sure that he was. It would make a lot of sense. There was so many hints and clues about it, like the whole Vampire essay Lupin assigned after Snape assigned the Werewolf essay and the Ron joke about him turning himself into a bat and the fact that he lives in the dungeons and stuff like that. It is like unbelivable to me that he's not. BTW: Does JKR have to answer all the questions in the chats? Because mabye if she did she would have to tell lies just because what she is protecting is a key part of the story, like is James still alive or whatever. Just a thought.

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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...

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May 16 2004, 10:27 PM 

Interesting idea about Snape's father being a very dark wizard if not Tom Riddle's son. Maybe he is the son of the dark wizard that Dumbledore defeated? Wouldn't that be interesting!!!

 
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May 17 2004, 3:02 AM 

The way i see it, if a question gets asked to JKR she will simply say "i cannot answer that, sorry" or "you'll have to wait and see", i just cant beleive that she'd outright LIE to her fans.

 
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May 18 2004, 7:51 AM 

Here's the thing that continues to bother me.  Why have Snapes memory include a 'hook-nosed' man, if we weren't supposed to speculate about Riddles father, and also Snape, matching that description.  I grant you that lots of wizards in the books have long fingers (another repeated physical feature).  That seemes to mean something as well, but that is not the same IMO as the similar facial features. 

 
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May 23 2004, 7:17 AM 

Snape may not be a vampire, but perhaps he is an animagus bat. That is why she said "Erm..I don't think so" but not an outright "No".

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May 23 2004, 12:45 PM 

I don't believe either thories nor did I ever believe them. I'm on my sixth reread of book 5 (yes I have no life and too much time on my hands) but I really do think that Snape is playing both sides but seeing as how he is so good at Legimens(Sp?) Dumbledore and Voldemort probably don't realize it. Also there was a couple of interesting editorials on mugglenet regarding Snape.

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/thenorthtower/nt15.shtml

and

http://www.mugglenet.com/editorials/thenorthtower/nt16.shtml

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