Before I saw the movie I read a article about what JK thought about the movie, and she said that it was funny because there a major book 6 and 7! So I went to the movie today (twice) and I was watching the part where Harry and Lupin were on the bridge and Lupin said "Harry, Lily was a marvolus woman, she was there for me in a time where no one was" and I was thinking WAIT, what in the WORLD is he talking about!?!?! So either I totally forgot something, or this could mean something! Post something if you noticed the same thing!
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I wasn't sure about that either but then I figured he probably just means when he was adjusting to Hogwarts as a werewolf with no friends... and I thought it might've been mentioned in the book and I had forgotten. I dunno.
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Okay I don't know if anyone remembers this theory but it was right after OotP came out and it is my favorite theory to date. It's the one about Snape giving Sirius and Harry the befuddlement drought through food. Remember?
Anyway, one line Dumbledore said in the movie nearly sent me into hysterics... he said something like "before we all get befuddled by the feast" ... haha. I dunno if it means anything it just was wonderful cause I love the theory and automatically thought it was a hint towards it.
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I think it definitely means something because that part was not in the book. JKR is putting 'important information' in the movies so that people don't miss it. This important information would have to be more obvious as well because the movie doesn't have as much time to convey a message as the book. I think that is why Ron and Hermione are so obviously hooking up in the movie when the clues were quite subtle in the book.
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This is a funny thing, this part in the movie, because no matter how much you scream and yell at me, I still think that Remus is really James in Remus's body. LONG STORY. One of the first things that I posted. Ok, I'm gonna try to summarize my theory and I'm not gonna put in all the evidence-toooooo long.
Lupin has never stared at the scar or mentioned his resemblance to James (if my theory is correct then why would he-he is James)
Lupin already knew Harrys name and addressed him as if he were already very familiar with him.
Harry tells Lupin that he can hear his mom screaming in his head when the dementors come near him and Lupin makes a sudden motion as if to grip his shoulder (If he were just Lupin, he shouldn't have a reason not to frip Harrys shoulder-it seems that "Lupin" is trying to distance himself from harry)
Trelawney said Lupin "positively fled when I offered to crystal ball gaze for him." We thought that it was just because of him being a werewolf, but later we found out that all the staff knew about that. What is "Lupin" trying to hide?(OK, Im sorry but this is gonna be a really long reply-my appologies)
Harry tells Lupin he is hearing his mums voice louder, Lupin looks "paler than usual." Harry tells Lupin that he is hearing his dads voice for the first time. "You heard James?" he says in a "strange voice."(Hearing about Lily didnt make him sad, it made him "pale." And when he acted so weird when he heard about James-because of the circumstances, he relised James wasnt saying it {for explanation see below})
Lupin has "no hesitation" about what HPs father would think (how is he so sure)
"I certainly dont want Harry dead..." an odd shiver passed over his face. (thats not just a teacher to friend saying that)
Lupin was shaken when he sees Harrys patronous (he sees it is his own animagous form)
(When you read the conversation in OOTP (Career Advice) between Sirius, Harry, and Lupin, and you imagine Lupin as James, a lot of the conversation sounds like Lupin really is James< although not solid evidence or anything)
What I think happened to James and Remus:
James wanted to find out who was the bad guy inside his circle of friends (remember the friends all suspected one another to have gone over to the dark side). Remus and James switched places (possibly with a switching charm) to go "undercover" to find out whos the "bad guy." I doubt that anyone except Lily knew about it-not even DD. James (looking like Lupin) left while Lupin (looking like James) stayed with Lily and Harry. Voldemort attacked and Lupin who looked like James was killed. Anyway, now James is stuck looking like Lupin.
OK, way out there theory but there is something going on with Lupin. JKR said that he is her favorite character and that he made book 3 so important to write. (Ok, so Sirius wasnt why it was important to write book 3-Lupin was...HMMMMMMM...I wonder why...) There is so much weird stuff going on with Lupin that you have to wonder mabye.........
BTW-I appologise for the legnthy reply
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
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Hi all, I've been trying to read a lot more posts before I started to respond, but I could not resist responding to this one. I think there were many hints, but the one that jumped out was how twice Sirius tapped Lupins then Harry's hearts (Lupin while transforming to a werewolf, and Harry after they rescued him). I saw this as a connection to the mystery substance locked up in the Department of Mysteries that Harry has so much of. Other things that I think may be hints are Snape standing in front of Harry, Ron and Hermione as Lupin transformed, the thing under Dumbledore's beard (a time turned maybe?), and if anyone caught what Harry and Hermione heard Malfoy say as he ran away after Hermione punched him, that could mean something. And I agree about Lupin's speech. Thanks, you guys all have the BEST Harry Potter site.
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Malfoy said something about the other two not telling anyone about her hitting him, and then said he had to go wash her germs off of him- something to that effect.
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First of all - the map wouldn't have said James Potter, not Lupin.
Second of all - Priori Incantum - JAMES and Lily came out of Voldemort's wand.
Third of all - JKR has said so many times that Lily and James are both dead so many times I don't think it could POSIBLY be a slip.
Fourth - if James was alive there's no way in hell he would leave his son with the Dursleys.
He wouldn't need to say Harry resembled James. It's been said enough. "The number of times I saw James going under that cloak..." makes you wonder why he'd say that instead of "Number of times we wore that cloak..."
Also:
"Harry tells Lupin that he can hear his mom screaming in his head when the dementors come near him and Lupin makes a sudden motion as if to grip his shoulder (If he were just Lupin, he shouldn't have a reason not to frip Harrys shoulder-it seems that "Lupin" is trying to distance himself from harry)"
I figured Lupin stopped from touching him as being considered filth of society he's probably used to people telling him not to touch them. Look how Ron reacted to him. Sorry - but the James as Lupin theory is more stupid than Crookshanks being Lily.
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The Baltimore Sun has a new interview with PoA screenplay writer Steve Kloves. Speaking about Professor Lupin, whom Steve Kloves describes as " Harry's extended family", the article continues:
Kloves says that when he first met Rowling, he told her he intuited that Lily "was quite special" and that James "was complicated." And in the bridge scene, Lupin "illuminates Harry about his mother - the most wonderful thing about her was that she was understanding toward Lupin at a time few were. She saw something special about him when others, including himself, couldn't." Kloves admits, "I think he was in love with her in many ways."
"I love you, for sentimental reasons.
I hope you do believe me.
I give you my heart"
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1) I dont think Lupin has ever been seen on the marauders map
2)Yes, Lupin would have died looking like James
3)I dont know about this but mabye since James is in Lupins body she doesnt consider him James
4) DOnt know about this either
5) NO matter how many times it has been said, practically every character that has known James has said this
6) I dont think that that is the way JKR would do that
No many how hard you try to convince me otherwise, I wont be satisfied until I read scar on the last page of book 7.
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
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3)I dont know about this but mabye since James is in Lupins body she doesnt consider him James
Well, if she said there is no way for James or Lily to ever come back to life, and she doesn't consider Lupin James, then even if Lupin was James wouldn't that mean she would never make him come out and say so? Brilliant. Maybe you should listen to her when she says a character is dead lol? Now do you also beleive we will see Sirius alive too?
Haha. Very funny. No I do not believe Sirius is dead. He is just waiting to come back and say he is alive because he is having to much fun behind the veil.
Of course Sirius is dead. He isnt coming back.
JKR said that book 3 was important to write because of Lupin. Why? You've got to admit, theres something weird going on with Remus J. Lupin. BTW: J. could stand for James LOL
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
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I don't remember what the J stands for, but someone did ask it in an interview and she told them.
Yeah, it was important to write because Lupin is such an important character. He doesn't have to be Harry's father to be an important character. Voldemort is important. Is he James also?
If Lupin was actually James it would ruin the entire plot of the story. Then Jo would be waisting chapters in the next books having to explain everything.
There isn't any reason for them to switch bodies either. If the reason was to find out who the traitor was it would be very stupid. Because Lupin could have been the traitor, and he would have taken Lily and Harry straight to Voldemort.
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Well, If it's reaaly James, how does "Lupin" still turn into a werewolf?
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What is important about Lupin, besides the fact that he is a werewolf. I see not that much importance. Thats why I was wondering why Lupin made book 3 so important to write instead of Sirius. U dont have to believe me, Im just stating my theory.
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
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I'm on the lower end of the scale.
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I think another important things in the movie that the Vampire Essay was never mentioned, and as that is the biggest piece of evidence to Snape being a vampire, it can be important to disprove that theory. If it was true (and I am one of the people who believes that it is not), then JKR would be sure to include that as a hint for the moviegoers.
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Actually a thing in the movie that kind of supports the Snape/vampire theory is the fact that when he is substituting for Lupin the first thing he does is close every window. Hmm
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He is important because he was a friend to James and a friend to Harry. He decided himself to give private lessons to Harry and doing so formed a bond where they connect with more so then Harry does with say Professor McGonagle or some other teachers.
He is also important plot wise in the story. If he wasn't ever there, the other three would never have become animagi, possibly never made the map (since we don't know alot about their schooling days, he may have put in enough to get the map going), and with Peter never becoming an animagi Sirius would probably have killed him when he went after him. Sirius also never would have escaped Azkaban if he couldn't shift into his animagi form and escape, assuming Peter got away in the first place and he wasn't found out causing him to be locked up instead of Sirius. Harry may have been living with Sirius instead. So, without Lupin, the story would be much much different indeed. Maybe not noticable on first glance, but if you think about him and all the ways he has contributed to the series (and I only listed that 1 particular book, not the whole series), he is very important on his own without having to be someone else, IMO.
Ginny - can you show me a quote where JKR actually says there's something important about Remus? I don't ever recall seeing it. I've seen this Kloves idiot saying he thinks Lupin was in love with her - but that's it.
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I saw one of her interviews she gave from barnesandnoble.com that said that. I dont know how to show you it. It was a LONG time ago, right after GOF came out. Im not a computer wiz, I dont know how to find it. If you want to see it you can find it, it was about a week after the GOF, which came out July 8, 2000.
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
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I think I'd sooner believe he was in love with Lily (which I don't) than he is really James. I'm sorry but you've shown less evidence on it than some have shown that the Wizarding world is built of socks.
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I dont care how much evidence Ive shown and Im not trying to make you believe my theory. We are both stuck on our own. Im not gonna look up stuff forever just to prove it to you anyway. The stuff I have said is enough for me.
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
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I noticed the scene when Snape shut all the drapes in the clasroom and it made me think about the vampire theory immediately but as JKR already dismissed it...
I can't tell you how much I hate the theory that Lupin is James. But instead of going into that, I'll just point out one thing (the same thing I have always pointed out when someone came up with this theory, *sigh*):
The reason why James and Lily picked Peter as their secret keeper and didn't tell Remus about it, is because they suspected that Remus was the traitor. So how does that fit in with your theory, Ginny? Either James switched bodies with someone he thought was a traitor or Lily and Remus thought James was a traitor. Doesn't make much sense, does it?
1)they didnt pick peter as their secret keeper, they picked sirius
2)sirius convinced them to pick peter-he said that no one would suspect little peter and they would go after sirius, the decoy
3)who no's who the potters suspected-they could have suspected Peter, but since they trusted sirius they went with him. They might never have suspected remus.
You are just jumping to conclusions when you say that the potters thought remus was a traitor. they might have never suspected him in the first place.
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
Draco from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
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I dont know about who Sirius thought was the spy, I'm talking about Lily and James. I was thinking that mabye the Potters suspected Peter but went with Sirius's suggestion because they trusted him more than anyone else.
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"You too are about to learn what happens to wrongdoing at my school."
Filch cracked his whip threatingly.
"You know what? said Fred. "I dont think we are. George, I think we've outgrown
full-time education."
"Yeah, I've been feeling that way myself," said George lightly.
"Time to test our talents in the real world, d'you reckon?" asked Fred.
"Definitely," said George.
And before Umbridge could say a word, they raised their wands and said together,
"Accio Brooms!"...
"Give her hell from us, Peeves!"
"I didn't know you could read."
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Now who's jumping to conclusions Ginny? You seem to be making up your own story as you go along!!
Lupin is not James!
Snape being a Vampire has already been dismissed by JKR although there is alot of evidence to support that he is one - for instance, I was forced to watch PS/SS last night and I noticed the extremely high collar Snape wore, to hide a bite mark perhaps? but then I remembered JKR's comment that shot down that theory and wondered why he would wear it like that for any other reason?
Narc, I read that thing that Kloves came out and said and honestly, it makes me kinda ill! Firstly, Lupin would have been coveting his best (and one of few) friends girlfriend (later turned wife) and then in extremely poor taste telling Harry about it (not directly, but in a roundabout way).... If that's where JKR takes it in the books.... I wont be happy!
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Ginny, I've got some advice. Don't try to keep defending your theory. Just leave it as it is and wait for the other books to come out. If you are right then you can laugh in their faces. If you are wrong...write a fanfic. I mean I have a freaking awsome theory about Snape but it isn't extremely popular but I don't mind because I'm pretty posstive it has some good facts so I'll just wait for the books. And if I'm right I'll be proud if not I'll be fascinated with the book and write a new theory.
I do have to say though that you have some pretty good evidence. Except I appsolutly hate the idea and I would hate for it to happen in the books. But I do think there is something about Lupin...I think I'll write a theory.
As for the socks theory, you know I've never actually read that but there is deffinatly something going on with Dumbledore, Dobby , and socks.
As for the original topic, I am a firm beliver that there is absolutly no evidence in the movie that isn't in the books. I think that when JK says there are major clues in the movie she is simply stating her astonishment that some of her important clues actually made it in the movies' story. Or maybe she is trying to tell us that some of the more important clues that are in the book are in the movie and if we happen to notice a clue that is in both we should definatly pay attention to it.
And when they are on the brige I couldn't understand a thing Lupin was saying. I caught some glimpses of "Lily" or "your mother" but mostly I just heard some babble and knew it was something good because Radcliffe kept on smiling wider(magnificently too ). But I'm personally glad I couldn't understand because all that touchy feelly crap gets to me. Besides at that point I think I was seeing a bigger clue that Lupin is so obviously in love with Harry. And I don't think it is one sided either.
~GwP~
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By Gosh GwP - I think you nailed it! All that slash fiction was on the money!
Its so obvious now that they've put it up on the screen, all those secret meetings and one on one touchy feely conversations Lupin and Harry had.... we may yet see the token gay couple pop up (no pun intended) in the next 2 books..............
When that happens, I'll be sure to take my ice skates down to hell with me!
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) There is so much weird stuff going on with Lupin that you have to wonder mabye.........
